The NCR Brotherhood War: A Full History 

to be honest it's pretty accurate lmao

Redditors ruined Veronica by discovering her

@@peternehemiah1606 how?

Thank God, i thought I was the only one who noticed that

I see them all the time when I go to the corner convince store between midnight and dawn. They're usually hogging the checkout counter with about five instant lottery tickets or staring absently at a shelf.

Appreciate it!

Yeah there a real nice touch !

I couldn’t agree more

Another reason why I love this channel tbh, the great narration and deep lore knowledge is made so much better with the cool visuals

he's right. in the amount of time it takes to manufacture a laser weapon and power armor you could easily put together basic ranger clothing and about 40 service rifles in the same time span.

15*

I honestly don't agree with him. If you're outnumbered 15 to 1, power armor is your best chance at survival. Might not give you the advantage in that scenario, but it's the #1 thing you'd want for equalizing the odds.

@@B463Lwhy? Normal bullets go right through power armor it’s only for energy weapons. And you’re slow and a giant target. Agility is more important when out numbered

@hkmma6543 normal bullets bounce right off of power armor, you'd need something like a .50 rifle cartridge to reliably punch through. The ghoul from the TV show used armor-piercing rounds against a weakness in the armor specifically because, normally, it's fairly bulletproof. In F:NV you can even point out to someone that a T-51b's visor is bulletproof.

@loudnsounds it might be somewhere in legion territory instead because of where the bunker is.

@@OfficerHotpants I'll neverrrr let gooooo. Those are my gold bars damnit. All mine!

@@LoyalDeathEater *Schizo-Elijah noises*

Edge of the Grand Canyon/Colorado I think, closer to Zion/Utah.

@@Kou-bz4kb Hey I love Schizo Elijah! But for real I always take every single gold bar

Ah yes the Midwestern Brotherhood. Literally the Imperiul of Mankind in Fallout

Just look at the East Coast BOS in Fallout 4, there a literal army that have there own Armada of aircraft let alone make there own weapons and armour and have a giant walking indestructible killer robot. The West Coast BOS nearly won the war with the NCR and crippled there currency, imagine what the East Coast BOS would do.

I wouldn't say unstoppable they took too long to actually recruit and they're not actually like a nation more a paramilitary force. Most of their weapons are scavenged while the NCR is producing most of their equipment and not to mention artillery While it's possible the Brotherhood has artillery and stuff they're tactics aren't really fitting with artillery. You can't hit and run a position and always have artillery piece support

@n1uk i dont think that the NCR would be doomed even if the east coast chapter would attack them. The NCR probably won the battle of Hooverdam and with it got the treasures and plans of technology. Mr. House has probably many plans laying around as the founder of Robco. The NCR is also battle hardened against the Legion. The NCR has probably to this point a army that can’t be compared to other factions. And the NCR with its economy can easy outproduce all chapters 🤔

@n1uk True, but I don’t really care for the games and lores Bethesda is making. They ruined the lore with 3 games 🥲. I hope, Bethesda hires some writers of obsidian, who actually understands the IP. And they also should uncannon F4 and F76

IRS VS TechnoFetischists

@@keneye6657 Ain't nobody beating the IRS even the Joker knows not to mess with the IRS

Would be nice if they would enter Civil war in FO5, well, what ever remains of them now.

I got tired of seeing shit about them after 3. Jokes on me because they're the only faction bethesda cares about apparently

No their good they want humanity to never make the same mistake again

@@thechickenFarmer50 Yeah, they want humanity to not have technology. So they will never make the same mistake again. The outlier of the Brotherhood of Steel was Lyons family, if you ever encountered any Outcast in Fallout 3 that is how a usual Brotherhood of Steel member would act.

@@johnlucas2838 so basically they are like The enclave whenever they find out a vault has a geck

The OG Maxsons intentions, which was long before the NCR existed, were to help wastelander communities survive, so the ideals of people like Lyons are actually following the original ideals the Brotherhood was founded on. The hoarding of technology came second back then as far as I know

⁠​⁠@@romanusplayz-wx7owyou are correct, the brotherhood out west even though they are the origin fell far from what the original BoS laid out, in fallout 2 you kinda already know or get the feeling that this coast of the brotherhood will never change. The east follows more in line on what the BoS originally stood for even Arthur’s brotherhood in my opinion his faction is the golden age of how the brotherhood should be yeah there are some rotten eggs that make the brotherhood look bad but from how he treats his soldiers to the world outside they aren’t afraid to simply trade you the technology for something else and even are fine giving technology away if you help them. The capital wastland from what we know in Fallout 4 is in way more better shape and is in the direction of going on the road to being as civil as NCR territory. You can even find that Arthur promotes soldiers’s therapy to avoid serious PTSD and other trauma. And cares for them when they have to send a form of email to a fallen soldier’s family back in DC. BoS east coast now would’ve made the NCR run for their money probably even the current NCR since by now it’s been 6 years after NV events. As they run more like a proper military than a para military tech cult and they have more than just land tech superiority but air superiority as they have way more verti-birds and pilots available than NCR since they were generally used to move VIPs and run very important ops since loosing one is extremely costly. Granted they don’t have the numbers and probably never will since they never want to be running a country they have far more superiority than the counter parts even in numbers.

@@allenaju1856 The brotherhood of the West and East has lost connection after the ideology of old Ways and new ways , by the old ways : Preservation of Technology and new Ways: Help the people , the West is the staple of the Brotherhood before the East campaign changed there ways , not until Fallout 4 where Elder Maxson decided to fall back onto the old ways, but the Separation between ideology cause the West Faction to lose power

@@redflaminggamer9159 the original brotherhood was a good mix. If you play 76 you even hear how Maxon wants the brotherhood to be it was to protect the people and preserve dangerous technology from the wasteland. It started with helping survivors but after being burned so many times and realizing that people are only becoming more barbaric does he realize that they need to keep humanity knowledge and technology kept so that the possibility of the rebirth. Only after they lost radio communication and Roger was getting older did they start changing into a more militant and secluded, technology hoarding faction. When Lyons moved eastward they only then started to be like the original faction with allowing new members be from the wasteland, saved as much non serious mutated children from the Pitt

Well seeing how the NCR lost Shady Sands in Canon now and the BOS has all the strength I'd say this post is irrelevant 🤣

What other element of Van Buren do you think could be made part of the lore in the canon timeline?

@@JRYYD wasn't alot of van burden used in fallout NV ( and I think maybe fo3 as well?)

@@Intr0vertical I remember that a space station and launch complex would have been featured in the main quest do you think that they would have been good ideas?

Retconned raider made videos about this :) In short the original cause of the war was the NCR’s colonization of Hoover damn which is where the original strain of the FEV was held, and thusly the brotherhood NCR war began.

@@RedVelvetBlackleather Thanks for that, if the NCR got kicked out of the Mojave do you think the BoS will call a truce with the faction? Also do you think the events of Van Buren are cannon if not said otherwise?

Attacking Lost Hills would've resulted in a lot of casualties for the NCR, I'd aim for the sparing them

I don't think the NCR could even take lost hills, given it's the oldest brotherhood base in existance with anywhere from hundreds to (more likely, since it's self sustaining) thousands of people with the best technology the WBOS could gather fighting from an extremely fortified position where the NCRs advantage of numbers mean nothing.

@@accountname9506 Their defenses would no doubt make a Deathclaw shit itself, so the NCR would more than likely lose a lot of their military.

@@Slenderslayer351 I just flat out don't think it can be taken. Imagine NCR troopers trying to get down a corridor but the corridor is full of automated turrets and on the other end there's a bunch of paladins with laser gatlings in a fortified position mowing you down, and every time they need to reload or whatever they just swap out with another paladin so there's just endless laser fire.

@@accountname9506 That's just getting inside though, they would have Airships (Unless that's just the East BoS), Vertibirds, countless paladins on stand-by, robots, turrets... They might not even get close to the door.

I’m not legion RU-vid is mad cringe

@@RedVelvetBlackleather legion may be morally wrong but there is no denying the fact that their stories are interesting

@@killinfantsons3193 "Morally wrong." Lmao

@@vulpesinculta9253 that's basically the hivemind of reddit I suppose

@@kaiser6412 "Thinking that making all women slaves is bad is just reddit hivemind thinking" lolololol

Fuck it let's just become raiders in power armor.

@@IPFreelly604 *Arthur Maxson writing that down*

Yea the enclave surely suffered a lot after that one...

They did more damage to the ncr than the ncr did to them. Numbers are replaceable, but those gold reserves are never coming back.

@@rhett3104 wasnt that a brotherhood thing? They essentialy broke the NCR economy in half

Come on you have to admit, the eastern brotherhood idea was pretty spot on. Instead of there traditional beliefs, lions brotherhood began to use there resources and technology to help people. But I didn’t really like the story about the BOS in fallout 4. It went back on the same flawed principles the Bos stood for. But overall I don’t mind expanding the story. There are so many possibilities, just gotta have a good writer to tell that story

@@major_lazer1269 The way Bethesda is writing it they should just populate slightly further away from the previous games like in fallout 1 and 2 so they can keep the same factions but they have them on the other side of America so they don't have to deal with lore, why not have parallel groups developing like inventing the wheel, this group also runs around in power armor but had different things happen to them in history leading to different doctrines like being the goody goody lions group is now the regiment # Iron Lions. Having so many groups sharing the same name but is divided by distance and time is weird to me, by their logic America and Australia should have never came up with new things to call ourselves and just stuck to being "British" to keep things as confusing as possible.

Fallout 3,4, and 76 are noncanon.

@@boobio1 I don't count them either, nothing happens in 3, 4 missed the chance to copy the coolest idea of blade runner that they only live for 4 years and the only good thing 76 did was them taking a risk of making new mutants and robots.

Good to see I'm not the only one who likes Tactics lore. Todd can say whatever crap he wants, we know what's good.

As of Fallout 4, The Chosen One is either taking care of Arroyo (which is a now a fully-fledged civilized state) or dead from old age, either way i don't believe that the Chosen One would care about the Brotherhood conflicts since his grandfather the Vault Dweller also didn't care, he just wanted big guns to defeat the Master

I the Chosen One would simply give support to both side in term of medical supplies and foods. Also try to appease the whole conflict. He didn't have ill feeling from either

@@nothingnothing3064 the Vault Dweller was part of the BOS so I doubt he didn’t care for them.

The Chosen One would be an Old Man by the events of New Vegas and Fallout 3 and Fallout 4

I feel that the Chosen One would just stay out of it. By the end of Fallout 2, his mom, the village elder died a few months after the destruction of the Enclave oil rig. So he took the mantle of elder of New Arroyo. At most, his civilization would be giving out medical supplies just like the Followers, but that’s it really. Besides, what good of an elder to just up and leave to help the NCR or BOS directly? Also, as someone said here, if this started around the 2260’s and the Chosen One was born 2221, he would be around his 40’s and since the war is still ongoing by 2281, he’ll be in his 60’s. A bit too old to even fight really.

Yeah I’ve always read this as, hey we’ve got crazies in the bunkers who are worshipping you, so we’re putting a stop to that, not so much that there are people on the surface worshipping him.

@@clarkthomas8574 Pretty much this. Why would ppl worship Maxson, unless they are so desperate for a leading figure. And to put a stop to those cults, which I'm pretty sure is inside those bunkers, wouldn't take that much manpower or resources.

😭 true

I think they mean fundamentally

There's also different people in different wars. Thats a change so it does change haha check mate

What never changes in war is the total losses that war brings everytime its started: war never changes because of military and civilian losses. That will always stay the same in each war fought. This is how I understand it.

War itself doesn't change, but warfare does.

Way to miss the point entirely. Do you think going from spears to gunpowder wasn't a change?

What topic do you think should be done next, also what is your head cannon of the BoS war & events of FNV?

Thank you!

@@yaboiii6562 Hello great work with this video, if I may make a suggestion how about a video where in Fallout 4 the player never left the Vault and what affect that would have as continuation of your FNV video of the same topic?

@@JRYYD I don't know but a future bos civil war could be interesting, or a ncr civil war. I'd also like to see more of the khan's.

@@Timoshemperoni There has already been the Outcasts with the BoS in F03. For the NCR how about if in the event House won FNV l Lee Oliver & Chief Hanlon both run of the office of president with Less wanting to return to Vegas and destroy House, legion & BoS regardless of the cost while Hanlon seeing that war against the hand that feeds them water, power & with the BoS who are inside the NCR would destroy them both from the inside & outside with where they are in morale, army population, the oncoming food crisis. Maybe Hanlon would in the interest of self-preservation for the NCR would seek to have as peaceful interactions with the groups around him apart from the legion in a return to Tandi's rule. What do you think?

I mean in OWB Lanius can get his very own goddess Waifu so yeah fun mod She is a brain in a tank but that doesn't mean much.

Owb mod goes hard

I mean, feasible, but not very likely in the arid desert like environs where they fought, or when said knights have Gatlin lasers. Getting bogged down just doesn't seem like too big an issue vs running out of ammo or troops

@@finnl6887 the war wasn't just in the desert

Power armor doesn't bog you down, it does the opposite.

@@jumbo9386okay, swim in it.

@@ZacksRockingLifestyleIf you judge a sports car by it’s ability to sail, it’ll always be bad

Thank you for the idea!

The Frontier tried to do that. It wasn' received as well.

@@petemadrona2252 the frontier sucked lol

You can’t get the BoS to join the legion though right?

@@michaelbirkett4932 You can if you have the cut content mod.

Don’t for the Enclave Remnants too. 👍

@@crusader2112 console player moment

You are an actual idiot if you think the legion and the brotherhood would work together despite what's in the game (and the legion even betrays the Bos) The legion are lead by an egotistical moron that thinks we should destroy all tech and go back to being monkie with sticks and doesn't know shit about Rome despite his "I read book" speech he seemed to gloss over that the Romans where highly innovative and utilized the most advanced tech of the time.

If only they adapted their tactics. Imagine if they used power armour like tanks with unarmoured soldiers backing them like in the show. They can be a force to be reckoned with as long they have skilled knights. And if they also invested in artillery to match the NCR, the brotherhood could win very easily considering their weapons advantage it's just that they are always horribly mismanaged

To be fair, they are very overstretched in the mojave but not so much in california. Western Brotherhood status now is a guessing game at best.

@@spookyengie735 Aye. NCR has a strangle-hold on California itself. As The Mojave was basically became to them what Vietnam was to the US in the 1970s. A quagmire of bureaucracy and incompetent leadership messing everything up on the frontlines in a war against an enemy that was far to stubborn to cut their losses and far to brutal to not take seriously.

The east shall descend upon the pathetic bear like a deathclaw tearing the throat from a yao guia. We shall destroy the ncr and see their cities crumble

@@charlottewalnut3118 *Laughs in anti-material rifle*

The BOS nearly beat the NCR in the war, the NCR only advantage is mass number of recruits. If a small faction like the west coast BOS can nearly defeat the NCR imagine what the East Coast BOS from Fallout 4 would do.

I doubt that would happen, the most likely outcome of the BoS-NCR war is a peace treaty

I rather my favorite faction of all time be destroyed than be absorbed by Californians

There’s always Hearts of Iron 4 Old World Blues and the playthroughs! All good mines for lore.

@@r3b0rn_mike117 I'm not sure most stuff from hoi4 owb is cannon though, still amazing mod

Appreciate it mate!

Hsu is a chad, only reason why i dont go against NCR

​@@deathsinger115chadranel HSU

If you look at the corrupt state of the NCR the BOS is only preventing the same problems occurring, the abuse of technology. The NCR have become an imperialistic and corrupt force in the wasteland. They only serve a few Brahmin barons and the mafia. The technology the BOS possesses will be end up abused by the ncr.

@@mitchjames9350 Fair. But frankly I think you're giving the BOS a little bit too much credit here. The rhetoric they tell themselves about safekeeping dangerous technology is mostly bunk. It's not that they're trying to save the wasteland from NCR expansion and imperialism, they honestly couldn't care less. They just have a tech fetish and get pissy when any other society uses it without them having a hand in the control and distribution.

Fallout 3,4, and 76 are noncanon.

@@boobio1 based

@@boobio1 If FO4 is canon then the Institute wins. They have nuclear fusion energy, synthetic soldiers and workers, and teleportation. They also reinvented Guerrilla Warfare _and_ Gorilla Warfare. The Legion's best technology is a car chariot and they're somehow a threat to the NCR.

This aged very well.

The institute wins and slowly replaces the citizenry of the commonwealth with synths. The railroad is caught by spies and dismantled in a raid. Some remnants might find their way to DiMA's enclave and live out their lives there as the island is united by DiMA's infiltration efforts and eventually claimed for the Synths. The Minutemen never reorganize and are wiped out with the group around Preston Garvey. The BoS tries to establish a foothold in the area but is caught in a war of attrition with the Institute that they can not win and eventually run out of fuel for the Prydwinn at which point they either have to leave or land. When they land they are entirely wiped out by Synths. While trying to establish their foothold, the BoS might get increasingly more extreme and start a large-scale witch hunt for Synths that includes mass executions. With no one to protect or organize them and also suffering from raider attacks, most of the settlements are decimated and abandoned. Eventually the area is taken over by Synths and the raiders are driven away or infiltrated. End of story.

@@Salted_Fysh That sounds interesting, very well thought out. I have another idea, what if Vault 111 residents along with the player where able to leave the Vault 5 years before the games events, what affect on the timeline do you think that would have or if Vault 81 learnt of the vault 61 years before the games events & gen 3 Synths did not get created?

🤔dude... you need more likes here. A pre-game slide of fate without the player. After you finish the main quest a post game slide. You need to contact Bethesda & slap someone. 👍

No, the BOS in the show are the east coast BOS. They just came to the west after NCR was dead after the events of 4. My main theory of 4 is BOS ending + Maxon was killed.

@@EllRiver so glad Todd’s fanfic version of BOS is the only power left outside of…. VAULTEC

The nuking of Shady Sands doesn't mean the NCR is gone entirely

@@bradleyrutledge no mention of them anywhere else even though they were a near modern style nation state with territory stretching from Mojave, Baja, and San Francisco. Why did no refugees flee there since the boneyard (which for some reason is Shady Sands now) is such a shithole now?

That's a lie because a guy who vault should have been raided by the Master shouldn't have access let alone authority to launch a nuke

goddamn it you were right

I wish it never happened

@@pipsqeak7104no they weren't

​@@barricadedpurifier Or if they did it like... anywhere else.

​@@pipsqeak7104There was no retcon.

What airship.. the one that's a smoldering wreck in the Commonwealth?

Idk Elijah is just muh new Vegas

Oxhorn. That is all.

@@ejsdead-6363 Na he’s a fallout 4 apologist

@@ejsdead-6363 no oxhorn is a weirdo "no you can't side with the legion they bad!!!"

@@ejsdead-6363 that stupid voice Oxhorn uses is unbearable.

The legion would just lose, the legions main army can barely deal with NCRs Mojave campaign army. Let alone other xenophobic factions you've mentioned.

*NCR victory, 7 billion dead**

Don't forget the Midwestern chapter

The West Coast BOS nearly beat the NCR, imagine what the East Coast BOS would do.

@@mitchjames9350 the westcoast was going good but there numbers were limited as fuck and now the ncr army is better with better train and equipment so would be a good fight

@@mitchjames9350 they weren’t even close to beating the NCR, it was only a matter of time till they were outnumbered

@@Romanj28 they where losing the war until they got enough conscripts to put number the BOS.

They shouldn’t even exist

The're not cannon?

@@thelonepainter4760 They very much are cannon

The fallout 4 brotherhood was a powerhouse and it was awesome. They’re definitely canon. There’s always people out there super insecure and crying about the Bethesda fallouts just ignore them

@@masterch33fII7 What a childish response

The thing is, the NCR needs the Mojave, they can't just pull out. Hoover Dam provides most of the power and water in California, as most natural lakes back West have dried up. People always say, the NCR is overexpansionist and imperialist, and needs to pull back, but the simple reality is they NEED the Dam for their nation to survive, especially on the frontier.

Expansionism is intertwined with advanced civilization of more or less any kind. Even those societies that trend slightly more to isolation tend to either develop within their sphere or wither away and die later - or are later crushed by those that do. As in Fallout as in real life.

The truce won't last that long

Except the new tv show made it to where the bos is winning... lmao

@@Waffleman00 Yeah true, BoS always taking Ls in lore, despite killing an absurd amount of enemies.

It's like Bud mentioned, time is the greatest test of them all.

@@rbrick3685You mean Ws

@@theenclave6254 Nah, Bethesda gives BoS more W's but in lore, they take a lot of Ls.

I think they destroyed the mines which the NCR was getting all their gold.

They used thermite maybe

Lasers

Dirty bomb. You can't use irradiated gold without getting radiation yourself.

They may have used Lučavka královská

Sure thing!

Either that or speculating off one of the coolest ending slides for New Vegas where the Khans build an empire in the Northwest.

@@petesperandio2572 It would be cool if in a future game the Great Khans were to build their own empire and become a power in the region north to rival the NCR. They seem like a faction that can still grow.

Is it though? At the time of New Vegas there was about 700k people part of the NCR over a large area. Shady Sands had around 34k people. The billboard also says first capitol of the NCR which could mean the NCR is still powerful, just maybe not as powerful as they once were

​@dr51c13 but East coast BOS came back to the west after winning fallout 4/losing Maxon.

@@EllRiver where does it say that concretely though? The ship in the show is the only hint at that with Prydwen being seen on the ship (although it was referred to as the Casowen in marketing materials). Why would the eastern chapter come back. I could see them sending reinforcements as the elders on the west coast had begun to approve of Maxon’s recruitment of locals to his chapter, but there is no reason to leave the east coast completely. Not completely disagreeing with you, I just think it’s more likely they sent some reinforcements back to the west coast with the west coast numbers dwindling after wars with the NCR.

@@dr51c13 that's cope if the ncr was still powerfull maximus would join ncr army not BOS

@@pipsqeak7104 They show how he was an impressionable kid rescued by the BoS and struggles with his loyalty to them throughout the season. He’s failing his way up the ranks.

Yeah because Bethesda can't get over the fact that obsidian made the best fallout game, so they try everything they can to kill the lore from the game 😂

@@umadbroimatroll7918 nah. Thats some weird cope. The entire show is a love letter to New Vegas and its fans.

​@@umadbroimatroll7918 they legit confirmed nothing was retconned.

Obsidian didn't create the NCR 🤣 ​@umadbroimatroll7918

@@t95kush27 do you not know the history of fallout? The devs at obsidian that made new vegas are the same devs that made and created from scratch wasteland, fallout 1 and fallout 2. So yes, same people made the NCR that made new vegas.

More importantly, the Brotherhood tend to have a live and let live attitude with most other people's in the wasteland (so long as they avoid advanced technology). Of course the East Coast Brotherhood are an exception

@@AeneasGemini East Coast were my favourite, they were the first omes to realise that they had enough firepower to make a difference and put all that tech they salvaged to good use.

@@AeneasGemini i think the best is the Midwestern Brotherhood. According to Tactics settlements have autonomy and only pay a tribute to the Brotherhood in exchange of protection (food and recruit). The Midwestern chapter is open minded from conscription of outsiders and mutants.

@@desolatortrooper7196 mutants have no place in this world. They are dangerous they are victims and a ugly scar on humanity’s image.

@@JaKingScomez mutants with humans intelligence are like any humans. Some good Some bad Most try simply to survive