The Origins of the Israelites: Episode 3 

Religion for dinner more like

Biblical brunch?

I actually clicked this because I saw Dr. Andrew in the thumbnail and then I saw the page is Patheos not Religion for Breakfast.

its trying to, they still feel the need to claim heritage over land...

Nope, this is Patheos' own channel. RFB and Patheos are collaborating on this 15-episode series!

Thinking out loud: I'm wondering if the israelites familiarized themselves with animal migrations and used the same routes too?

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THE IMAGES ON THE EGYPTIAN WALLS ARE NEGROID.. BLACK AND BROWN WITH AND WITHOUT AFROS.. JUST LIKE THE SPYNX HEAD IS NEGROID....EGYPT IS IN AFRICA PERIOD. THE FURTHER BACK YOU GO THE MORE NEGROID IT BECOMES.. NOTHING TO DO WITH CAUCASOIDS EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO INVASIONS AND HISTORY TWISTING LIKE THERE PILT-DOWN MAN STORY.. CAUCASOIDS ARE MAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HIDE THE ORIGINAL HISTORY OF THE BLACK RACE TO MAINTAIN POWER IN THIS DYING WORLD.. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANY LONGER.

Glad you're enjoying the series! This is actually Patheos' own channel. My channel (ReligionForBreakfast) and Patheos are collaborating on this 15-episode series!

@@ReligionForBreakfast not sure if you have seen patheos’ other videos but they do not come from an evidence based direction, rather, they have Claims of jesus and god without evidence. I love your channel though

@@tex8788 Can you please get your facts straight and not spam this nonsense under half of the comments here? Jeez.

I’m not so sure about this guy. Anyone who uses BCE feels like a liberal.

​@@cephasrocks8516 Are you suggesting there is something wrong with the scholarship of the video based on an a widely accepted dating system? You do realise that there are people other than Christians on the planet? Or don't they matter to you.

@Timothah Molone All,lies!

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That means that you are inquisitive, free thinking, and have "balls" for even posting this, most dont.. PS: Enjoy the comments and chat (if there are any, I never see them, sorry, so reply to others, not me :D Have a nice life *:

The "boom" of Joshua? Autocorrect strikes again?

Heavy edition to older texts seems to be a common practice in the bible, so what you say is indeed possible. Though, take into account that not only names and place might have been edited, the whole narrative might have been accommodated to the then current religious/political needs of the editors.

He said Jericho existed it just did get walls till the 7rh century therefore Joshua was written when Jericho had walls.

@@tex8788 you mean Religion for Breakfast? If so... this is the same guy. He’s partnering with this channel. Double check his community posts.

@@tex8788 No its a collaboration between RFB and Patheos for this special series on Biblical Archaeology.

@@tex8788 your comment is so embarrassing 😂 you don’t even get the channel name right.

I have a theory that it originated in Sheba, since they seem to have had a high esteem for them, stole their alphabet & Ethiopian history would suggest that they may have stolen other things from their culture too-- like the story of King Solomon. It's be great if any evidence could ever be tracked down to add better coherency to the matter.

@@MrChristianDT I do see a lot of comparative in religion in East Africa, especially in regards to the creation stories, but what do you mean by Sheba? We don’t have a confirmed location for the Sheba mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.

هلا هلا تحية للشعب اللبناني🇮🇱❤🇱🇧

Kenyon denied the biblical account She said the dates were wrong. But she was criticized for a slap dash job did on Jericho.

Hebrew is only the English way of calling Hebrews, the original root is '.B.R ('ayin, Bet, Resh) and not H.B.R (He, Bet, Resh) in the case of Habiru, or '.P.R ('ayin, Pe, Resh) in the case of 'apiru. The first might mean "to pass", the second maybe "Heber" or "a collection of people", or if written as the third maybe "dirt". It makes a lot of difference in Semitic languages, although it's still possible they the name is related. Sorry, I have no source for you.

@@Abilliph Habiru means dirty filthy to refer to Semitic nomads that were second class citizens more like slaves or semi-slaves at the very least

@@Abilliph Habiru, a variant spelling of Ḫapiru (Apiru), a designation of a class of people who made their living by hiring themselves out for various services. The biblical Hebrews had been in Egypt for generations, but apparently they became a threat, so one of the pharaohs enslaved them.

@@davidstrelec610 you are generally right, but I'm not talking about the bible. According to archeology the Judeans and Israelites were just Canaanite, and the root 'BR meaning to pass, probably refers to the Jordan river two sides. I just can't see the connection between 'ibri and Xabiru, because only in English writing they would seem similar, Hebrew and Habiru.

@@davidstrelec610 I'm trying to explain to you how '.B.R has nothing to do with H(X).B.R... those are two entirely different roots and words.

Chik fil a is a Christian owned company that recognizes Sunday as the sabbath being that Jesus rose on the 3rd day which was Sunday. Chik fil a gives their employees the opportunity to not work on Sunday so that they can attend church or be with family etc. My son’s employer gave him the same accommodations though not corporate policy. He’s in college but does not work on Sunday because he attends church and does not believe in buying, selling or working on Sunday. The Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah and they celebrate the sabbath from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday. Some Christian denominations follow the Jewish sabbath as well as messianic Jews (Jews for Jesus). So when you want your Chik fil a on Sunday, blame the Catholic Church that changed it all for believes in Jesus since he was crucified on Friday and rose on Sunday.

Lack of evidence does not mean the conquest did not happen it just might indicate that the conquest may have been exaggerated but still happened

What makes you think it had anything to do with Joshua? Egypt was often at war with the Hittites and other states during those days. It might have been nothing more than one of numerous Hittite raids. The whole Joshua story seems to be totally made up anyhow.

@@limedickandrew6016 What is remarkable about Jericho's destruction around 1400 BCish is that it shows/proves the Biblical narrative. 1) the upper walls came tumbling down all around the city creating a ramp over the lower walls so that an invader could just walk up over into the city; 2) there is one section that didn't fall in the upper walls - Rahab's residence was built against the wall; 3) the burnt grain jars were full meaning the conquers didn't loot the food (for an army food is precious and essential). It is exactly as the Joshua's narrative as described in the Bible says. The evidence is more more more more than overwhelming.

@@mdb1239 Yeah, problem is a lot of what is in the Old Testament was written some 700-900 years after the events it describes. I mean, that would be like describing the events of the Battle of Hastings or Edward Longshanks reign today. And the written records for Hastings and Longshanks are far more numerous and reliable than they ever were during the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age. I think it was the Greeks, like Herodotus, who made historical writing and recording what it is today. They were the first, so everything before them needs some serious research and evaluation and examination of the archeological records, certainly more so than the days since Herodotus.

@@limedickandrew6016 When it was written is irrelevant. The archeological dig/excavations prove that that Joshua's Biblical account of the conquest of Jericho is accurate. This is the only known site where the upper walls all fell down and covered over the lower defensive walls to make a ramp. The conquest of Jericho and how it happened is confirmed by archeology!!!!! The pottery dating says the destruction layer happened around 1400ish BC. There is also a destruction layer around 1400 BC around Hazor. The early Israelites came from Egypt. Egypt had writing for a thousand years before 1400 BC. There is evidence that the slaves in the mines of Egypt had already been using the alphabet many decades before 1400 BC (a super simplified version of hieroglyphics). There are messages using this alphabet in the mines: "Save me God". It is probably the GREATEST invention of humankind.

Nasal exhale, very long nasal exhale

Also, the Danites were almost certainly Greek or Greek-influenced given the archaeological evidence of Greek-styled artifacts from their territories and the fact that their Judge is Hebrew Hercules.

@@andrewsuryali8540 having a coastal portion of land next to the Philistines (also likely a sea people, the Peleset) also fits with this. The name fits with the Denyen (a sea people) who are often identified with the Mycenaean Danaoi I'm not sure identifying Sampson with Hercules really helps much though, strongmen are pretty archetypical & common worldwide. The rest of the story also doesn't have much in the way of major similarities (Sampson's hair, and his self-sacrifice have no parallel in Heracles, and Heracles' labours & slaying of his family have no parallel in Sampson) with the Lion fight being the only major one and that's common in the Ancient Near East, likely being an import into Greece rather than vice versa

@@tristanholderness4223 The strongman is an ancient archetype, yes, but not a biblical archetype. In fact, Samson is the only strongman described positively in the Hebrew Bible. The treatment of Goliath is more representative of how rhe Bible deals with strongmen characters. Additionally, Samson is unique among the Judges for being the only superhuman individual and the only one who doesn't actually judge the people. Most of the Judges are either warlords or prophets of some kind. Samson is also notable for breaking every Israelite taboo and keeping to none of the Nazirite vows except keeping his hair long. He even went so far as to loot dead bodies, which the Israelites considered taboo. The Rabbis of later Judaism also realized this, which is why they had to come up with all sorts of excuses to justify Samson's behavior, even saying that he had a special version of the Nazirite Vow. Gideon was a Baal worshipper but he actually held to Israelite customs much more strictly than Samson did. Samson's behavior was very much in the Heraclian tradition of Mycenaean Greek heroes. As for the hair, the Nazirite Vow is not attested to outside the Bible until second temple Judaism. It is very likely that keeping the hair long came from the Samson legend instead of the other way around and is therefore an anachronistic inverse attribution. By contrast, the long hair style of the Greek heroes is attested to in Mycenaean culture and legends. Homer calls his Greeks the karekomoontes precisely because of this.

@@andrewsuryali8540 interesting info.

​@@andrewsuryali8540 here we have another attempt to obliterate Jewish history.

@@tex8788 It's a collaboration

Hyksos theory would completely demolish the exodus story as hyksos were completely repelled of by the ahmose 1 and tutmose III extended the rule of 15 dynasty all the way up to Hittite kingdom. If they migration occurred during that time they would just be migrating into more Egyptian territory and as explained in the previous video of canannites the region of israel was under the rule of canannites in 13th and 12th century.

CommonWeath -- Hebrew= CrossedOver sWORD Spirit and Truth -- 7th day sAbbAth's Seal -- Covenant IN Loyalty The Most High Ahb Yahu'Ah= Spirit= AbbA Creator Father. Yahu'Sha Hebrew Anointed SonShip= sWORD and Head(ROCK) to body(stones) of congregation covenant loyal (be)living IN earth, that adhere TO His voice: (Yashra'Al) ...The Most High Ahb Yahu'Ah sovereign saves. Emet ❤️ Praise and thanks to the Most High Ahb Yahu'Ah for His 'Saving Will' Testimony IN His anointed Hebrew Son Yahu'Sha Messiah. Prayers, blessings, and peace (restoration) of the ❤️, for those that adhere TO His voice, covenant, and commandments. Love you Ahb Yahu'Ah sovereign of my breath, soul, and the blood IN my veins (DNA). (Psalm 90:12-17) So teach us TO number our days, That we (may) apply our hearts unTO wisdom. Return, Oh Most High Ahb Yahu'Ah sovereign, how long? And let it repent thee concerning thy servants. Oh satisfy us (early) with thy mercy; That we (may) rejoice and be glad all our days. And counting: ...1st day/night season of the WorkWeek, ...2nd day/night season of the WorkWeek, ...3rd day/night season of the WorkWeek ...4th day/night season of the WorkWeek, ...5th day/night season of the WorkWeek, ...6th day/night season of the WorkWeek (double up): ...for the morrow’s morning IS the Seventh day/night sAbbAth's season. Emet ❤️ What was Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob considered before the 12 tribes were born? ...And before Yahu'Sha the anointed Hebrew Messiah, rather than the Roman religion's man-made diety with the Greek name that has no power and authority IN the Kingdom's throne. ...Go to (Genesis Chapters 15-17) and (Hebrews Chapter 11) to understand the Covenant Loyalty and 'Saving Will' Testimony of the Most High Ahb Yahu'Ah sovereign ❤️ ...They were all faithful, obedient, and walked with the Most High Sovereign IN UpRightNess, Kingdom MindSet Justice, and were SetApart from embedded pagan world religious conditioning and dogma. Tsion ❤️

It's probably more complex, the biblical account was an iron account of bronze age events, so there was an evolution of the legend over the centuries. The Habiru were probably escaped slaves, rural outcastes, and border tribals that the Israelites later coalesced and emerged from. Egyptian overlordship of the area made them the Big Bad Guys. Overtime a narratives of escaped slaves surviving in the wilderness and highlands, rebels against Egyptian governors and local princes, evolved into the biblical epics we know today

Did he invent glass dishes, too? :P :P :P

Watch the first episode of the series, where he explains it

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I think the main reason for this section is that the 'Abiru as predecessors of / early Hebrews have attracted substantial attention, so there will be viewers who are familiar with the idea. Like many of these theories, once they are established in more popular accounts, it'll take a long while for newer information to replace them - plus the rejection is not entirely universal.

We can't guarantee that Abiru and Hebrew are literally the same words. But almost certainly, the Abiru class made up a component of ancient Israel. Hell, King David perfectly fits the description for most of his early career, when he's literally living as a bandit in the wilderness and raiding settlements, just as the Abiru are described.

@@erimgard3128 Right, mind sharing the verse where David's life as a bandit is mentioned?

If I remember correctly, "Children of Israel" referred to decendents of Joshua, which were a subgroup of the Hebrews. They were the one's who sought shelter in Egypt and, subsequently ask of the Pharaoh to be released from "bondage" (whatever that meant). So, what happened to the Hebrews who did not leave the Levant? Since they were not decendents of Joshua, they could not be referred to as Isrealites, by relationship. And the land of Israel would not come into existence until the conquered lands got divided up, between the leaders of the tribes of the Exodus. Judah took up a strategic position in the northern hills and set up his capital city around the Covenant, Jerusalem. So, what we have is 1) the land of Judah, 2) the land of Israel and 3) the city states that the lands still inhabited by the decendents of those who never left or had since migrated into areas that the returning Israelis had not conquered and occupied. The Israelis were at one time commanded wipe them all out and not to mix with them, socially or genetically. And seeing that they were, once again disobeying, Joshua practically sealed his city, warning his people that they should avoid the others, that their disobedience not rub off on them. What the Romans encountered, they called Judea and Israel, 2 separate parts of the province of Palestina. So, who are all of these people in the area today, who are not jewish? Did they all wander in as part of "arab" migration? Over how long a period of time? What about all the non-arab invaders? Can they be told apart? Is there further mention of Hebrews after that?

@@lewisjohnson8297children of Israel refers to the descendants of JACOB. Jacob had twelve sons which became the patriarchs of the 12 tribes of Israel

​@@olafharoldsonnii4713ah, yes.

We don't really know who the "Sea Peoples" were, whether they "disappeared", or whether they were even a more or less unified group, or rather just a general Egyptian term for raiders during the Bronze Age Collapse. I assume he'll talk about them next time with the Philistines, who may have been one of the groups identified as "Sea Peoples" by the Egyptians. So yes, the "Sea Peoples" and the origin of the Israelites fall into roughly the same time - as he said in the video, the Israelites show up during the Bronze Age Collapse, as well. But except for a similar time frame, there's no evidence for these groups being connected.

Well one of the Sea Peoples groups is the Philistines, and they sure didn't disappear lol

Yeah they never mentioned about hebrew slaves who built two cities and pyramids

They DO mention the Hittites. And they made full record of it. Look up Pharaoh Ahmose and Tutmoses III.

@@laxmikc767 Cuz that never happened

@@selfrespect4320 it happened Bro the dna of dead corpse buried beneath pyramid soils had a hebrew -Iraqi traits and u know Abraham lived in Ur before coming to Cannan that is in southern Iraq . And Egypt by its historical accounts described the existence of Hebrews but many historical researchers neglects the historical accounts of bible . If they were not there then why their dna didn't matched with Egyptian but Iraqi ???

Sub-Saharan Africans who live in the Western Hemisphere?

Yes the Jews

@@rachelsamuel3328yea black people name a time those “Jews” went into slavery 😂

And my sister when she discovered I was not a believer....even after relating to her the obvious contradictions that exist in science that disprove so much in the Bible ...and the known translation errors,... And even the contradicting verses within the JudeoChristian Bible...she still doesn't comprehend why I will not place blind acceptance that the biblical accounts related between its front and back covers are factual historical records.... Smh...

Likely an insult by the Israelites. The archaeology doesn't paint them as backwards. They even had baths. We've inherited a bias.

It does not mean that

It means without fine culture

@@stephenlaing2152 Thanks for the reference

@Desire Of All Nations Could you quote the verse please? I remember it about sexuality and we do see that the ancient Egyptians had a lot of incest.

Men stop connect those people to Greeks who have nothing to do maybe have some connection with some island or those of Crete and cyprus and probably with those in magna Grecia but are not the Greeks they are tribes existing before who trading with them Greeks go there the judeans are not Greeks and Greeks dont come from any abraham and other talmudic patriarchs have not any connection with Greek culture

@@art.f7973 No one is saying that Judeans are Greek but that the Philistines were.

@@stevenv6463 no they was not not all people in Greece are from Greeks are not neither Greek names for Greeks mean Latin speaking? Greek mythology have nothing in common with Middleastern cananean uses neither Jewish one

The levites were set apart for maintaining the tabernacle and running of the sacrificial system, if they were a Levite who was also a descendant of Aaron they would be a priest. The lord was their inheritance. They received no land but occupied special cities within the surrounding tribe’s land. Numbers 18:23-24 Deuteronomy 10:9 Deuteronomy 18:1-8 Joshua 18:7 Joshua 13:33

"Palestine" is a roman word imposed on Israel after the Romans conquered it in order to incorporate it into their empire and erase its former history. From the Jewish perspective, there is no such thing as "palestine". There is Judeah, Samaria, Israel, etc... "palestine" cannot be pronounced in arabic, as it is a latin word and Arabic does not have a "P" sound.

For the inhabitant of Maroth waited carefully for good: but evil came down from the Lord unto the gate of Jerusalem. Micah 1:12 KJV

Happened in 70 AD. Jerusalem and our temple Solomon built was destroyed. Fled into western part Africa to hide. Eventually sold to the Greeks

@@Yahawashiiii ok now tell me when this happened. Isaiah 11:11 [11]And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

@@revelation6175 That is a future prophesy. The lord return to execute his vengeance. It's precepted in Jeremiah 23 3. There are many more precepts.

@@Yahawashiiii That is a huge lie. "Jews" never fled to Africa.

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Except the Egyptians hated the Sub-Saharan culture and the Pictographs show the Egyptian charioteers running over the dark skinned Africans or beating them with sticks, As for the Israelites. We know that they were not Negroid, There are pictures in Mosaics. Frescoes, and description as well as genetic evidence that they were olive skinned, (Class IV on the Fitzpatrick skin scale) often with light hair and eyes.

These are devils