The Political Heresy in Christian Nationalism 

Jon Harris, God has called you for such a time as this to look at everything going on, sort it out, and speak truth about it. I’m so grateful for you💙💙💙💙

I know these videos might take more work but they are the best work I have ever seen from you. Just know they are appreciated by many. A voice that is sorely needed now. God bless.

Very good Jon, well done. Thanks. It does seem we're at a watershed moment.

This was really well done. I will use this in my mens group and elsewhere

I bought into the America as an ideal concept in my youth, but after the Iraq war and seeing how the Bushites hate Trump merely for doing what they pretended to want to do, it called everything into question. I didn't get what you meant when you said America is a people and place more than it is an idea a few months ago. Now, it begins to crystalize. I'm getting closer to understanding it. Much respect for you speaking positively on CN even though you don't consider yourself in the CN-camp necessarily. So many in your position spend all their energy assuring their viewers that they're not "that guy". This is what unity around a common cause has to look like, I wish other Christian intellectuals would take a lesson from this.

I'm enjoying these more careful, concentrated analyses. Thanks Jon!

Thoughtful, articulate, and intelligent analysis Jon.

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

Your title has me worried, but you did a good analysis and discussion of the topic. I commend you.

Love it Jon, first rate. Al Mohler would never say or do something like this you are doing God's work.

Canada is always ahead of the U.S. sociopolitically. Looking at Canada it's hard to see any hope for the U.S. we chose not to die on too many hills, now the battle may be coming to an end and there's no blood on our sword.

For a nation, ideals are worthless if they don't produce and promote community. What difference does it make it America has the best ideals in the world if internally all they produce are isolated and deracinated individuals?

Much love to you brother, for your continued needed ministry. This simple straightforward lesson is salve for the American soul.

Thank you for pointing out how incredibly normal Christian nationalism is.

Excelent John. Clarity and strong christian convictions . Thank you!

I’m so thankful for straightforward and balanced review of the life and times we are facing today, Amen 🙏 Thank you

Can you talk about The Spirituality of the Church doctrine and it’s abuses? Our PCA pastor has used it as his reason for not mentioning “political” things like public school, roe v wade, Covid lockdowns etc.

Excellent.

Our allegiance is to the Kingdom of God first and foremost. However, we are also called to stand against anything that stands against that Kingdom. We must stop letting the left define our terms for us.

Bono is a very influential thinker. However , the United Kingdim was found on an idea of an alliance between Scitland , Wales amd Englamd who had been under the influence of a war history among themselves for centuries since the Norman amd Viking inversions over 1000 years ago.

I guess I’m a little lost here. I remember hearing a lot of conservatives like Rush Limbaugh referring to America as ideals as well. So I guess I’m a little lost as to where this is going.

Great stuff, Jon. Keep it coming!

Maybe I don’t understand your objection to the proposition “that all men are created equal.” Chesterton said “America is the only nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth with dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence; perhaps the only piece of practical politics that is also theoretical politics and also great literature. It enunciates that all men are equal in their claim to justice, that governments exist to give them that justice, and that their authority is for that reason just.” Those who emigrated here (before the 1960s agreed with that proposition. And I would argue that those who don’t agree with that proposition aren’t Americans. But it has been the foolishness of the elites that thought the creed could be separated from its Christian presuppositions that has been a disaster for us and resulted in the failure of the “nation building “ projects of the elites. Yes America is a real place, with a heritage, culture, customs, owing much to our English heritage but also with significant distinctions captured in our “creed.”

I NEED these shorter videos. Thank you so much.

Good stuff Jon. Thank you for all you do.

A really nice summary here and some nice editing too. I think next time maybe you can boom your Blue Yetti over you out of frame as you might get a little bit better sound quality.

God created the whole world for His children.

This is really good!

Thanks Jon, a real tough subject to explain.

I like this, Jon.

Great stuff brother

Very powerful, very powerful indeed!

Democracy is by man, thru man for man. -Abraham Lincoln. Very good commentary, but issue is much deeper and much older. Democracy just like communism are from the same tree; knowledge of good and evil.

Very well put.

Stephen Wolfe stepped outside the boundaries of the 3x5 index card of allowable opinion. Tut, tut.

15 minutes is a great video length! I was able to cover the whole thing, great analysis.

To anyone reading the comments. Christian Nationalism IS the book "To My Legionaries" by Corneliu Codreanu. Read it! It is not the Westminster Confession of Faith. It's a simple as that.

The video you just posted less than an hour ago is now down. It stopped while I was listening. Did you take it down or did RU-vid remove it?

Very good!🔥🙌

Wow! Jon. This is awesome. I very much appreciate the effort and exactness you put into this. I am 3/4 thru Wolfe's book and I am in disagreement with him on some key issues. Wolfe makes things too black and white such as his view on paedobaptism. He has an attitude of my way or the highway which seems to me as though you must meet his rigid standard or find another nation. I do believe this country should be based on God's commandments. But, you know that in a room of 20 Christians there will be major disagreement on many issues from baptism to pre-tribulation and pre-millennialism verses post-millennialism and no rapture. There of course is the ongoing disagreement on God's promises to Israel and replacement theology. We must make Jesus our main focus and not insist on fighting over these other issues. I believe this country is too far gone to have all of the cancer removed. I do believe God will take care of His elect. These short videos are well appreciated as I sometimes struggle to get through your full broadcast.

This was so helpful Jon. Thank u

Defining America as a nation has been a problem since the early 19th Century with the arrival of large numbers of Catholic immigrants from Ireland, which may be part of the reason why Lincoln defined America as a nation "dedicated to a proposition." But the real question is what is the relationship between the civil law and morality. The Founding Fathers largely took for granted the existence of a natural law that established human rights. But Darwin appeared to have destroyed that concept, which makes American nationalism even more problematical. But I would argue that strictly speaking there is no such thing as a "Christian nation," that is is a contradiction of terms. America as a nation is a part of the larger "world," which in the sight of God is fallen and depraved. Christians, then, must stand apart from the world and be a light shining in the darkness. Backing a candidate like Trump destroys our testimony before the world.

ADONAI we have lost our way 🙏 🤲 ADONAI we are distracted by the entropy of this world ✝️ 🛐 ADONAI give us YOUR wisdom so we will realize we have grieve The PARACLETE,that we have quench The PARACLETE presence,working in our lives.We our courting perilous proposition in these days 📆 📅 📉 📇 🗓 Set us on YOUR path,not down the road of perdition 🛣 🛤

You are truly the modern day voice in the wilderness.

@ 12:40 "The coming of Christ fulfilled the ceremonial law..." says who? Where? By "fulfilled", do you mean "fulfilled so as to nullify the reality of"?

Wow. Well said and so brief. Amen! Great job. I really think we overcomplicate things. When God formed a nation He just gave them the Book of Genesis and off they went. Understanding origins and original intent can straighten a lot out. I'm going to try to do one better and make a 30 second presentation here by saying this: 1. Put a dot on a left side of sheet of paper and under it Gen 10:5 (the beginning). 2. On the right side put another dot and under it put Isaiah 13:12-14 (the end). 3. Now draw a line connecting the two. The line represents God's intent for the way He made us organically and the way He made nations for us. Anything that deviates from that line as we progress through time is just extra agony and torment for us beyond what God intended. ---end of 30 seconds. Give me any form of Rom 13 government that generally punishes evil and promotes the welfare of its people; give me Christian communism, Christian fascism, Christian nationalism, Christian democracy or republic, it doesn't matter, the form really doesn't matter as long as the original design is left intact and the general purpose is pursued. As we can all see, sin outwitted the American form of government and is killing us where it falls short. Just like your marriage is different than mine if we pursue the original design and seek to honor God then things are generally better. Same with the way you act as a male and I act as a male, as long as we hold to the original design, God basically gets His glory. Gen 10:5 From these the coastlands of the nations were separated into their lands, every one according to his language, according to their families, into their nations. Gen 11:8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city. Isaiah 13:12-14 I will make mortal man scarcer than pure gold And mankind than the gold of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, And the earth will be shaken from its place At the fury of the Lord of hosts In the day of His burning anger. 14 And it will be that like a hunted gazelle, Or like sheep with none to gather them, They will each turn to his own people, And each one flee to his own land.

President Lincoln articulated America as a propositional nation in his Gettysburg address, given almost 160 years ago, in which he stated that our nation was “conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.” (I wonder how you really feel about Lincoln, Jon.) This proposition was not new in 1863 but was embedded as a principle both in the Declaration of Independence (1776 - “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”) and U.S. Constitution (1787), including the Bill of Rights. Thus, if Lincoln is to be criticized, then he should be criticized for his use of the term “proposition,” when, in fact, it is a principle upon which our foundational documents (Declaration and Constitution (and Federalist Papers)) are based. These principles were certainly NOT universal in 1776, but were based upon concepts of natural rights, a relatively novel political philosophy given the monarchical governments of the day. I would also argue these principles are not universal today but unique to America (e.g., the Bill of Rights). In other words, our “proposition” and principles are not limited to equality, but all of the rights enumerated in the first Ten Amendments, including the rule of law. You might disagree with Lincoln (as did the Confederacy), but that debate is long over because the South lost and the nation was again unified under the Constitution. More significantly, that political elites have recently abused and highjacked our creedal principles for their own political purposes does not mean our Constitution is inherently defective, as Jon suggests (perhaps unintentionally). Why? Because to do so is to deny our national identity, which is based upon these principles and not the ethno-nationalism of the pre-Revolutionary War era, when the colonies were composed mainly of English Reformed Protestants or Christians, English descendants and English-speakers. Is it any wonder that most “Christian” nationalists appear to want to turn back the clock not only to the past, but to the pre-Revolutionary War past, when arguably America was a “Christian” nation insofar as its identity was more ethno-centric? For good or bad, America (since the early 20th century) has become a multi-ethnic nation that includes multi-ethnic Christians. The nature of our national identity then, is not ethno-nationalism but civic nationalism; that is, the glue that binds us is based on the shared principles enunciated by our foundational documents and e pluribus unum (out of many one). The problem is not our foundational principles but rather the flagrant disregard for the nation’s laws and their lack of enforcement, which have undermined those principles, such as the rule of law. Illegal immigration in particular is bad not because it threatens to change the ethnic makeup of the nation, but rather because those who are permitted to remain here are essentially taught that breaking the law is okay and that economic reasons justify exceptions to following the law, all of which undermines our civic principles laid out in the Constitution and Declaration. We as Christians owe our freedom of religion to our ancestors who established the Constitution and the “proposition” for which it stands, as articulated in the Declaration and later in the Gettysburg address. Those principles have not changed; rather, our culture has changed - for better or worse - and our political parties have followed suit. As Christians, we are indeed called upon to resist changes that affect our duty to worship God and follow his Commandments, but we resist on biblical - not secular - principles, which include loving our enemies, praying for them, turning the other cheek, and voting our conscience according to how the Holy Spirit guides each of us. Non-Christians can adopt whatever creed they wish, including “Christian” nationalism, but I encourage Christians to follow the clear instructions of the Apostle Paul, especially his admonition not to separate ourselves as Christians from each other based upon ethnic or racial grounds, see Galatians 2:11-14, which many Christian nationalists propose, based upon their claim that it’s only “natural.” Accordingly, we should not substitute our desires to resist the secular culture - via Christian nationalism -- for Christ’s instructions and guidance. That is why studying the Word and keeping close to Christ is so critical in these last and trying days. Maranatha.

1. This is excellent. 2. I’m about halfway through and keep hearing that the “liberty and equality is the barometer to measure all national action” and the presuppositionalist in me keeps saying “liberty and equality? Where does that come from? By what standard?” 😂

Matt. 25:32

If you defined colonial America by religion, nationality, and culture you would not have even the idea of colonial America. America was made up of a cosmopolitan granted European majority seeking to escape the religious fundamentalism of Europe that had mixed itself with state power. English, French, Spanish, German, etc. all made up the fabric of the early colonial American experience. None of these have a unified culture, they all had separate conceptions of their Christian identity. The fact that the English founders of the United States had as their first ally Catholic France, and made their first treaty with Muslim Tripoli puts the lie to any claim that they did not have a pluralistic aim in society

Wow, this is serious stuff, thank you brother!

Thank you.

Jon, there's a lot here to digest. Thanks. Could you boil your argument here down to a few bullet points?

Well said Brion oops I meant Jon you're both great.

I personally think you might be better off cultivating an identity at a state level, with each state having its predominant christian denomination, because Americanness might be debatable

Christian nationalism, no matter you define it, is totally wrong. God does not love any country more than an another and never guarantees that any will exist. It is actually a subtle form of the prosperity gospel, focusing more on what you can get from God, than seeking him for who is he. "The Case for Christian Nationalism" sounds ridiculous.

A measure of success, yes. By the measure of what Biblical Truth CN contains. Unfortunately, there's much error in the hermeneutics starting with breaking the law into 3 pieces which Christ and Paul clearly rejected. So long as you look for laws or "principles" in the older testaments; you set up a buffet style Christianianity where you pick and choose which parts of the old laws to follow and which not. This reproduces the error of the Pharisees, who substituted the traditions of men for the law of God. We are under the Law of Christ and the previous Law, including the 10 commandments, are an obsolete tutor that deserves an honorable retirement. This is the error of CN. Nonetheless, not all of it is wrong.