Stephen Wolfe on the Case for Christian Nationalism- Part 1: Defining Christian Nationalism 

Amen

What god was he talking about?

@@Vosian292 “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible” ~ George Washington

Scholars at Mount Vernon state: “Washington’s diaries show no church attendance by anyone in the family after they returned to Mount Vernon at the end of his presidency.”

In a recent biography of Washington, Joseph J. Ellis describes the scene at Washington’s death: “There were no ministers in the room, no prayers uttered, no Christian rituals offering the solace of everlasting life.”

historian Paul Boller: “If Washington was a Christian, he was surely a Protestant of the most liberal persuasion.”

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j0vt1WstB0o.html great clarity on this question here too.

31:44 also good and getting at a fundamental concern- definition of nationalism, is there a genetic component, is this broadly distinct from a kind of segregationalism?

😆 I got mine to open on Christmas too

The whole everything is an idol crowd is so tiresome. Imagine greeting a new grandma with derision because she was more excited about her grandbaby than Christ. The hyper emotionalism which pervades modern evangelical thought is the death of reason. Everything is not comparable, there is a time and a season for different things and we can't just compare our love of x,y and z as if they're the same. It's every bit as ridiculous as the disciples arguing about who was the greatest, but now the folks who make out every virtuous desire as an idol in disguise are somehow praised as intellectual, spiritually grounded and wise. In fact, I think they're none of the above. It's just legalism where your success is judged by your emotional attachment to God as opposed to say not wearing blue jeans or whatever.

-Therese nothing easier than to follow religion that you invented for yourself because it will always tells you that you always right! You guys have American Christianity but it's not Biblical Christianity! Reformation movement was meant to change CHURCH and not GOVERNMENT like you looking for! It started with you church people and your sins, not government people sins! Educate yourself!

We have to be careful to not say we love our family, or our children too much. Might be idolatry.

@@Psalm144.1 It's not idolatry for a person to say that they love their family or children. It's idolatry for a person to put them in the place of God.

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I know. My comment was sarcasm.

I keep hearing this verse used to justify secular nations but I’d genuinely like to see the argument for it? I’m also awaiting a glorified body but I glorify God in the one I have now.

www.newhopefairfax.org/files/Gaffin%20Theonomy%20and%20Eschatology.pdf

If we are to evangelize and bring people to Christ in our cities, states, country, and those people apply God’s truth to all that they do, you will naturally have a Christian nation. I don’t understand why Christians would push back against this. It’s so strange.

The concept of a “Christian nation” is completely foreign to scripture. While in this world the church will imitate her cross bearing Good Shepherd. Victory will be achieved in this world by means of cruciformity in spiritual union with the ascended Christ. This is a wilderness age for the church. We do not look for a postmil golden age. We do not set our eyes and hope on political reform, but we set our eyes and out minds on the things of heaven. Our hope is anchored in heaven, and it is Christ Himself. There will be no Christian nation because the world hates Christ and those who belong to him (John 16). Hebrews 11:16, “But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.“

You're right, it's better for satanists and atheists to govern over us than other Christians.

The majority of our nation does identify as Christian. Having a majority of Christians does not erase the division of how then shall we live. The Reformation showed this as well. This discussion is what do we want to see from our government (especially since we live in a form of government where we do have agency) and how can God's word help guide these decisions. Sitting on the bench politically until we are all on the same page creates a vacuum of power that does more harm than good. Secularists are also divided and a much smaller percentage of a population. Caring about our nation does not need to be pitted against sharing the gospel.

Matt. 28:18-20 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. (19) "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, (20) teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Discipled nations observe all that Christ has commanded us. Since "nations" is plural here, the implication for independent nation-states is clear. I totally agree, our first order of business is winning tons and tons of souls. But then this: we need to teach them to obey all that Christ commands. So we teach them: 1) Take your kids out of public school, which are the bootcamps of the cult of Marxist idolatry. But we don't suggest this, we command this with the apostolic authority invested in the Church by Christ Himself. Anti-idolatry is not a suggestion, it is a non-negotiable command. The entire planet would be changed if American Christians did this one thing (avoid public schools at all and any cost).

Well put, brother.

You cannot serve to masters. You will either love one, and hate the other, or you will cleave to one, and disregard the other. ~ Matthew 6:24 You have to first eject Christian eschatology from your framework before you entertain such an absurd idea as Christian nationalism. This very debate was settled by the grandchildren of Jude when Domitian sought them out during his persecution. They said the Kingdom was coming at the end of the world. I spoke out agains this in a church about 6 years ago and was told I had the spirit of Satan. The church was wilfully ignorant on eschatology by their own admission. The problem with these people, is that they think Protestantism is Chrsitianity, when the name itself reveals what it really is: An antithesis to Roman Catholocism. Sadly, because the Reformation only went back to Augustine, they forgot that Christianity took over the Roman Empire from a place of self-sacrifice, not of political pull. You are watching Mystery Babylon form theologically. The harlot will sit on her seven mountains. Wait for it.

Does God create nations and set boundaries? What does democracy have to do with such things? Every nation is sacred in that sense that God created them. The form each nation chooses to delegate its God given authority conforms to its peoples, its languages, and its land. Genesis 10:5 From these the coastlands of the nations were separated into their lands, every one according to his language, according to their families, into their nations. God gave this information to a people He just took out of another nation. To instruct them in the way they were to go. It is instructive for all people and all nations. Also, God has a right to dictate how the institutions He created function and does just that. According the Christian Luke, the Gospel is not silent on such things. Luke 3:10-18 And the crowds [note he doesn't say "crowd" but "crowds"] were questioning him, saying, "Then what shall WE do?" 11 And he would answer and say to THEM, "The man who has two tunics [the rich] is to share with him who has none; and he who has food is to do likewise." 12 And some tax collectors [a government institution] also came to be baptized, and they said to him, "Teacher, what shall WE do?" 13 And he said to THEM, "Collect no more than what you have been ordered to." 14 Some soldiers [another government institution] were questioning him, saying, "And what about US, what shall WE do?" And he said to THEM, "Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages." 18 So with many other exhortations [like these just mentioned] he preached the _______ to the people. If as a man you claim to be Christian, yet stay gay, marry another man yet hold to being a Christian with no intent on changing this, I have a right to question your sincerity and authenticity. The same is true when it comes to how you live under the government God created and put you in. If you live like He placed you under a communist rule, but has not placed you under communist rule , then I question your Christian beliefs. I don't need to wait to be married before I become "a one woman man." I don't wait until someone votes before I act like a member of my race, language, and land.

Get postmill bro. Got established the state. The three governments God established may be corrupted (abusive father, sexual immorality in the churches, and abuse of taxation) But the response from a thinking Christian is not to swear off all of it (as the roman catholics did with marriage) but instead to reform and correct according to the word of our Lord. (As in the reformation that continues till the day we achieve the maturity in Christ) It’s bot helpful that the dominant eschatological belief in America dictates that the whole of the Nation will serve the beast in revelation, and it’s always right around the corner, for 2,000 years around the corner, We instead should recognize revelation and matthew 24 luke 21 mark 13 did not speak of the inevitable destruction of everything, but rather judgement so that as kings and priests of our God and Father, we may be Christs body in ruling with Him preaching theGospel that saved us and discipling the nations to obey our Lord, who will have all His enemies under His feet by the will of the Father. Even if someone is premill, i think it better for them to focus on what Christ says to do, in all areas of life, and not obsess over whether the dead sea is drying up or there’s a purple heifer in Jordan

@@doomerquiet1909 I've been pre-mil, then got post-mil and now somewhere in between. The question is about the nature of the kingdom. The state is instituted with the mark of Cain. An instrument of vengeance to restrain evil, but usually does much evil itself usually when not restrained by other states. It bears a mark that we still see today as flags, etc. It ends as the final beast in revelations to whom all nations swear allegiance in awe of its power. Christ and the church are in opposition to the beast and Babylon. The enlightenment idea that the church can guide and influence the beast is proving to be false. Lucifer is the author of the Enlightenment.

And someone was waving a big christian flag.

You could say the same thing for Amillennialism, and points 1-5 of Calvinism, but that never stopped them either. Your talking about the theological children of men who thought creating the philosophical opposite of Roman Catholocism, while still holding to its fundamental bias toward philisophically justified political expediency, would somehow produce a better "Christendom." "My kingdom is not of this world" is not a phrase they compute. Nor is a Christianity that is free from the Greek philosophical tradition.

@@undergroundpublishing I hope you'd concede that there is a difference between a political posture and Christian dogma as it's developed over the millenia.

@@PaulEEish Good analysis.

I figured he was talking about a cigar. If the church is going to start condemning unholy living it better start with western medicine and its barbarous roots in abortion-based research practices.

I thought it was a cigar. What about carbs and sugar?

Smoking a cigar isn’t a sin, you dolt. If you think ingesting nicotine is a sin, than you must say that drinking coffee is a sin. Both nicotine and caffeine are plant derived alkaloids that stimulate the CNS and increase dopamine production. They both are addictive, and they both work in a similar fashion. Be consistent. Do you think drinking coffee is a sin?

@@Charlie5225 "Dolt"? And, you expect me to take you seriously? Insults are the typical response of a highly uneducated person who does not have the intellectual capacity to defend his arguments. When you decide to have a mature, adult-like conversation let me know.

It was a joke.

Educate yourself dummy! Reformation movement was meant to change CHURCH and not GOVERNMENT like you looking for! It started with you and your sins, not government people sins!

@@victorvarnak1645 You must have never heard of Calvin, Knox, The Puritans, Etc. Study history sir. You show your own ignorance. Study the English Civil War. Study the 2 American great awakenings and the American revolution Sherlock.

@@timcummiskey1178 -There’s nothing easier than to follow religion that you are invented for yourself, because it will always tell you that you correct! But the Bible teach us that “If My people …2nd Chronicle 7-14!!

@@victorvarnak1645 I'm with you there! Daniel 9!

@@timcummiskey1178 It’s ultimately means that if we have bad government -it’s not sinners who is bad, but we who’s His people are bad! It’s only means that our life style is not contributing to well being of our land! I see how much you guys blaming and shaming sinners of this world for disrupting your life, but it’s without any doubts I can show you that God is doing this to expose you and your “Christianity”!

It did become a corporation after it became bankrupt. In 1930, after meeting in Geneva, Switzerland, as a result of the stock market crash of 1929, all western nations declared bankruptcy, and the USA reorganised as a new Corporation. Since that year, there have been no nation states in power in the western world, they are all Corporations. The magnitude of this evil can be stated by the following comparison - what a transvestite is to male and female so America is to a nation. We need a party platform that says this: The United States of America will be declared an outpost of Western civilization and a state dedicated to its European-heritage population and their posterity. It will be the policy of the state to set immigration and natal policy that will ensure a permanent European majority. The rights of historic minority populations will be respected. Anything less is like a male saying I guess I can be turned into a woman; go ahead and give me the hormones.

Noooooo! A little scruff or a short, neatly trimmed beard is fine. But for the love of humanity, no more Gandalf / Dumbledore beards that make 30 year olds look 60! Or worse, beards so long that the whole face looks misshapen. It freaks me out, LOL!

Beards are awesome

You've got a point, but, Doug Wilson's interview showed that a respectable bearded sage approves of Wolfe's work hence we can trust it.

@@jamescook5617 indeed

Lol really?

What about Christ? Christ makes us all children of Abraham, but I share no DNA with Abraham. Am I less his child?

@@michaelward1341 Well, chances are you do have Abrahams dna, but I understand your point: Spiritual DNA is more important than physical DNA. That is correct. Yet clearly, we know that physical DNA is important. I contend that though genetics do not matter towards salvation or spiritual matters, that reality does not preclude preservation of physical DNA or genetic pools. God made genetics, and the expression of genetics is important for a nation. If all of France became ethnic african, moroccan and arabian, is it still France? The obvious answer is no, it just becomes another african country, and a whole gene pool and culture are lost with it. Truly if a nation has not Christ, they have nothing. Yet, having Christ does not exclude having your blood, does it?

Matthew 28:19-20 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Man, that Jesus guy must be an idiot then. Nations can't be Christian. Nations can't be discipled. Nations can't be baptized. Nations can't be taught. Only repentant sinners can do those things, yet Jesus tells us to do these things to nations. You should lecture God on this when you get a chance.

@@oracleoftroy interesting your level of blasphemy that a man can lecture God? Have your no fear of the holy and living God? Are you ready to meet Him?

@@reys7510 Just channeling my inner Elijah. You are the one whose God does not seem to align with the Jesus of the Bible, so what is your response? Jesus said the disciple the Nations, you deny Jesus's commandment. Why?

​@oracleoftroy A blatant butchering of this verse!! The Greek word is "ethne"...and primarily is referring to people groups (remember Christianity was almost exclusively Judean originally). It is not referring to political/social entities, it is referring to individuals. Hence Christ's reference to Baptism, which is an individual's response to salvation and the Gospel.