The Problem With AVATAR's Pandora that the Films Don't Want to Touch 

it becomes gotsomeonium

@@thearmchairspacemanOG 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

In theory it would also allow you to build a craft capable of drilling to the Earth's molten iron core to deposit several nuclear bombs in case our dynamo ever shut down.

​@@AceSpadeThePikachu i got the reference

“Obtainedium”

why would they name it after a cyclops shepherd?

@Birbology ! Good point. If they find evidence that it once had a "Great Spot" - type cyclone (and only one such storm), but no longer does, then it might be a fun reference to the Odyssey (since Odysseus gouged out his only eye in self-defense). Of course by the time we get information *that* precise on the planet, we likely would've named it long ago.

😂😂😂😂❤

Don't bet. They didn't respect Bellerophon nor Osiris. The names given for the discoverers to the first extrasolar planets.

There should be international law, that if a science fiction work predict some phenomenon, and it is later discovered to be real, then it has to be named after that scifi.

I lived in Toronto most my life, I moved 5 hrs east of Thunder bay 3 years ago. Seen about 5 Auroras so far but with no color, all were white and could be mistaken for clouds if the weren't so bright

Fire tribe? You aren't referring to other "Avatar"franchise, are you

Twilight*

@@rosyidharyadi7871 nope, Cameron has said that there will be a fire nation called the "ash people," and they'll be much less friendly than the water na'vi, probably playing a villain role in some capacity

I hate to crush your hopes, but I think if it was tidally locked, it would be permanently facing the planet, not the star, so there would still be day and night time. But, depending on the axial tilt of both the moon and the planet, there could be some sort of twilight on the polar regions of the moon? Sort of like an eternal sunset?

There's still a day and night on the moon, it's just that one side always sees the gas giant and the other side never does.

Yeah I second this, like I don't care for a story on human greed and war and conflict or anything, just show me the wonders and marvels of all the amazing animals and plants and different Na'vi groups on Pandora, please! Like we need a tv series of documentaries on just the Na'vi and the fauna and flora!

@@Manj_J cringe

really? you dont realize its just the same old stories with blue aliens?

I've never seen an Avatar movie. My religion forbids watching movies with blue, sentient creatures. J/K. Seriously though, many people have gotten 'spoiled' from seeing the beauty of a fictional world, and can't appreciate the real beauty of our amazing world. So, I'm not sorry that I didn't watch them. I probably will eventually.

I haven't seen the new movie, but I loved the old movie as a kid. There's something about dystopian but still futuristic human culture that grips me, even if it's mostly American culture. It gets me moreso when there's interaction between two communities like that, first contact stories (and first contact by us, done wrong) fascinate me to no end because I loved coming up with ideas on how it could've been handled better and more peaceably. And I didn't even get to mentioning cool mechs or crazy VTOL craft juxtaposed with natives, they're so deeply detailed and I think it's because that's how the Navi would see them too. You'd have to be searching for weak points or things you can exploit so you kind of have to be looking for detail.

yeah they’re visual experiences because the world is just pretty but poorly built and the story is bland, very very bland

Explains why we will never get enough of these idiotic bland empty spectacles.

​@@pabloalonso9162 "poorly built" - I assume you didn't watch the video?

Is Alpha centauri really is humanity last survival?

@CosmoTube well yea I guess humans could go to other planets and reach destination to alpha centauri

@@CosmoTube-ox1ep Actually no! Solar sails can accelerate a spacecraft to a fair fraction of the speed of light!

Chinese are just good at copying Americans ideas and inventions.

​@@CosmoTube-ox1ep That sounds epic

The Mother of all Mag fields! That close to a gas giant, it would fry.

Cartoons need there planets ship fleets? Try designing one in children cartons! The company pland was cooked about maintaining Pandora? Keep useing if on let's see who needs it more!

Ag AQ it's not solid Lq.pure LQ can't frezzs! So freezer is limited on a diff side for cartoons re do! Thanks for rockets! 👽🚀⚖️🐝🕸️Spyder man don't work with bees! Retard! Extra is better? So others can use his black yellow mustard? So plants he don't do also! Just work with1/4 of Pandora and well see what the landing is! Cage is for size type. Rockets how stacks! If usa knows how to next sectional reasons to fine out .y freezers shape stuff was portol intrees also! When magic runs low are fades off does to not add to that planet! Spacex could have new about Pandora. The CD for the navigation planet?

@@sysomphonemanuthong3953 I think your phone managed to do a pocket response to à RU-vid comment, that was basically unintelligible nonsense.

But are those in shots taken from (approximately) the same location on the surface?

Yes, The Expanse!

Damn that was a good show, I might rewatch that again thanks

sadly it's on indefinite hiatus since s6 :(

@@alveolate I guess bright side is you got a chance to watch other shows 🤷‍♂️

The Expanse isn't "very possible", in its general contours it's the future. There will be space mining for the simple reason that (eventually) it will cost less to mine iridium and other high-value elements in the asteroid belt than on Earth. Mining creates settlements, as we've seen over millennia of human history. Settlements bring society, which spawns other industries. Now you've got a space economy. Putting aside the drama and liberties taken with scientific details, The Expanse nailed our future.

Came here to say just this and saw your comment. Anything that close to a gas giant, the amount of radiation bombarding that surface, I highly doubt anything could survive let alone flourish.

@@erdrickcapet3945 Yes, to live around a gas giant, you'd probably need far enough away from it for it not to look spectacular in the night sky. A shame, perhaps. Gas giants also have dangerously powerful magnetic fields.

According to the wiki Pandora sits just outside the main radiation belts of the Gas Giant. During it’s transit of Polyphemus’s night side however, the moon passes through the planet’s magnetotail and gets an absolute walloping of radiation, leading to intense Aurora in the sky. Pandoran life is well adapted to resist such ionising radiation, however the humans need treatment for radiation sickness, have to take Iodine and seek radiation protection areas during solar storms. Pandora also has a strong Magnetic Field, given the existence of the “Flux Vortex” being an interaction between the planet and moon’s fields. The Unobtanium in the Moon’s core as it travels through Polyphemus’s field likely supercharges Pandora’s field. The thick atmosphere also provides some degree of shielding as well.

Everything that are innacurate on Earth science doesn't always the same on another planet

Best explanation i have is condensation. Water evaporated from the planet surface condense in the lower pressure and clings to the surface of the floating mountains, creating runoff

The radiation from the planet is the biggest problem for life. If unobtanium is a superconductor, though, its occurrence on Pandora could mean a far bigger magnetosphere than a moon would generally have.

@@nagillim7915 Bioluminescence can protect against radiation and flares from an M class star. There's a lot published about it.

Wouldn't the higher prevalence of night time compared to day (at least on the side facing the gas giant) create a runaway cooling effect? If there's more night than day, then wouldn't it cool down more than the day can heat it up, essentially covering the facing-side of the moon in ice? I was thinking of this while watching and trying to imagine a reason why this *wouldn't* happen, but couldn't think of one.

@@foosic1742 - depending on the size of the gas giant it might be giving off large amounts of infrared generated by its own gravitational contraction. That could heat the side of the moon facing the planet. And that's assuming the moon is tidally locked, which will largely depend on its distance from the gas giant and their relative masses. If the moon is tidally locked then its day/night cycle will be determined by its orbit around the planet and not its own rotation around its axis. The length of that day/night cycle as well as the diameter of the moon and the thickness of the atmosphere will largely determine the climate. If Pandora is less than half the size of Earth then you'd need to half the length of the day/night cycle to about 12 hours to keep an atmospheric circulation pattern like Earth's: the coriolis effect has to be high enough to form Hadley cells in the tropics and a polar front or else atmospheric circulation collapses down to a single cell per hemisphere, meaning equatorial jungles, icy polar deserts and nothing but cool semi-arid scrub and savannah between the two. There'd be no jetstream, no temperate rain bands, no deciduous or taiga forests, no bread baskets of civilisation.

@wildfirex666 Who's in the what now? Is that a sarcastic joke? If not, what the hell are you on about?

When I heard that I was surprised too. I had no idea it literally takes place in our back yard. Our closes start system.

@@-TheMaskedMan- it’s literally a film

@@justsean6199 It is??? I was really hoping to visit the Navi sometime 2040😔🙄

It would have more volcanic activity, but that wouldn't make it uninhabitable. Earth has quite a lot of volcanic activity as well compared to other planets in our solar system after all.

I mean certain parts of our ocean fit that description. I suppose the question is how likely it is that the surface and atmoshere of a planet would be dominated by bioluminescent life.

@@jeffbenton6183 Yes. This is what I mean. Just imagine walking through a bioluminescent version of Central Park in Manhattan. Or perhaps how we can possibly use bioluminescent plants and life to our advantage such as a replacement for streetlights.

@@jacksonbarkerthebluehairedfox I think in india we have forest of bioluminescent actually there are some mushrooms, Herb's and plants which glow in dark in monsoon ( rainy season) it glows more you can visit it

The question is what bioluminescence does for life on Pandora? Like flowers are bright to attract pollinators while fruit is bright to get animals to eat it and defecate the seeds out elsewhere. Seeing the abundance of bioluminescence in plant life on Pandora might be wanting to imply a similar function... BUT why is this actually better then just simple bright colors seen in daylight? Answer: it very probably is not because maintaining that pretty glow (well beyond anything you see here on earth) all night ends up needing too many resources for any extra attraction factor. They'd be out competed. You could still force a confirmation bias with more explanation, like maybe Pandoran animals can't detect regular colors well enough, but we know this isn't true of the Na'vi so why not others?

@@blacksage2375 The answer is simple: there is so much bioluminescence and only tammed eclipse "night" because it's a movie searching to be visually appealing. An horror film like Pitch Black did the absolute opposite choice to serve the scenario. There is no point to search scientific explanations inside that Pocahontas rip-off blockbuster series. It's really not that deep in every level.

If the magnetic forces were enough to lift rocks, unobtainium or not, they’d practically rip the iron right out of living creatures’ bloodstreams.

I think it´s more likely the na´vi do just occupie a different ecological niche, which favors four limps.

@@ancientcolors But every other mammal-like creature, including the small pseudo-primate from the first movie has six limbs.

There actually is an explanation for why the Na'vi have 4 limbs in the first movie, though it is hard to explain without images. Basically the Na'vi are not the only 4 limbed creatures on pandora, in the first movie we see creatures called Prolemurus who are the closest living relative of the Na'vi, like the Na'vi they have lost 2 of their 4 eyes, have lost one of their neural queues and have hair on their heads, most importantly they have 2 and a half limbs, they used to have 6 limbs but over time their 2 sets of forelimbs have fused up to the elbow Not only that but the prolemurus have 2 fingers on each of their 4 hands and the Na'vi have 4 fingers on each of their 2 hands which leads us to presume that in the evolutionary history of the Na'vi they ones had 4 forelimbs each ending in 2 fingered hands which then fused over time The prolemurus are a living missing link between the Na'vi and the other animals of pandora This whole thing will be a lot easier to understand if you look up what prolemurus looks like, their arms are pretty interesting This fusing of limbs is the reason why Na'vi also can't punch, their arms just aren't developed for it, their hand and wrist bones arent built to take the impact

​@@kieramcadams4103 the prolemurus don't actually have 6 limbs or 4, they are in a stage of transition from 6 limbs to 4 limbs, the same way that the Na'vi lost their extra limbs due to the 4 forelimbs fusing together

There are lemur-like creatures on Pandora that have 4 partially merged arms, the upper part of the arms is merged into one while the part below the elbow is split into 2 pairs of arms. Maybe they are an inbetween step of the evolution of the Na'vi where their 4 arms fully merged into 2 arms. Or maybe they just lost a pair of limbs over time like how whales lost their hind limbs. Or maybe the Na'vi just have different lines of ancestors than the other creatures there.

@@SeriouslyWeirdDream yea it’s unprofessional and annoying though .

He messes up big in _Avatar 2_ in that humans apparently have the technology for interstellar travel but can't build space habitats like O'Neill cylinders. Building a space habitat is a far simpler engineering and technological task than interstellar travel.

@@primmakinsofis614 Devil's advocate counterpoint is that technology doesn't progress in a purely linear fashion. We could have a monumental breakthrough in space-time manipulation before we figure out all the engineering & logistical aspects of making a space habitat. That said, I do find it highly suspect that they'd actually struggle as much as they do on the planet itself. Being from a higher gravity planet should give Humans an insane physical advantage over native wildlife, including the tribesmen, regardless of their size. Humans having the same physical capabilities as they do on Earth always struck me as a bit annoying, although these are gripes I moreso had with the first film. Still, wish Cameron poured as much effort into astronomy & physics as he did into marine biology & ecology.

@@primmakinsofis614 Simpler, yes. But simpler does not mean easier. An O'Neil cylinder is a megaproject, plain and simple. Meaning that building one would take decades at the very least, cost an incredible amount of resources, and they have to be durable to a degree that a smaller spaceship, even an interstellar one, would need to be. So don't think Humanity couldn't, it chooses not to because of the cost. Not only in money, but time and resources. Not to mention the exacting specifications one would have to be built to, which means that it has to be able to work perfectly, all the time, every time, without an expectation of full maintenance, for decades to centuries. I know what goes into making something that is going to space and is expected to be there for the long haul. And that's just the construction. What about atmosphere? What about sustainable water or food supply? Easier to do ships that are smaller and more temporary or can be repurposed for other things.

@@bustavonnutz The strength difference isn't just because of gravity. Which, mind you, we would have to adapt to as well. It's also things like musculature and how it is used. Also, mass doesn't change regardless of gravity.

Considering the fact they a bit bigger star which doesn’t sound like much but it would make a difference so my guess would be that it’s wouldn’t be that big of a difference with temperatures

It might be close enough for tidal heating to affect it's temperature and that would also be close enough to orbit in a few hours, depending on Polyphemus's mass

@@FleshWizard69420 : True.

Would not be a problem. The earth, its crust, and particularly the oceans, store a very high ammount of thermal energy. This energy has little means of escaping beyond radiating in space, which is very inneficient Would the sun dissapear suddently, the air temperature at surface level above ocean would still be above 10 celsuis around the equator 6 months later. And continental land would be above 0 around said equatorial zone at that time A few days without the sun is not sufficient to freeze everything. Its a relatively slow cooling process that takes a couple years. After a year, the ocean surface temperature around equator will be around zero celsuis. The ocean thermal energy firdt dissipates into atmosphere, and then said atmosphere will dissipate it into space very slowly During the couple days into the shadow of Pandora’s eclipse, you could expect a drop in temperature of a couple degrees celsuis, specifically over land far from oceans a drop of maybe 5 or so degrees. In coastal and ocean regions however, you will likely lose only a degree or so. Such a temperature change would not be dangerous as temperatures already vary more temperature from day to day due to weather patterns

@@FlorenceSlugcat: I agree, the heat capacity of water is huge. I guess it’s just a matter it’s equilibrium as it cycles through. We have our milankovich cycles and I’m sure Pandora has its cycles.

I agree, but I think without human like facial expressions it would be really challenging to get the audience to connect with the characters. One of my favourite alien representation was in the movie 'Arrival'. The movie itself was average but the aliens that were portrayed and the way they communicated really intrigued me. I would say they were the most imaginative aliens I've seen on screen.

Yep

That's probably why the sequel introduced a second, more impossible MacGuffin for the humans to chase after.

Same. I've often wondered just how feasible some of the science in movies is e.g. Dune's ornithopters.

I heard before from a documentary that there was considerably more oxygen back then. That doesn't mean it's true of course, but there must've been some reason why some scientists (or at least science enthusiasts) in the past thought that there was more oxygen back then. Would you happen to know where this idea came from?

@@jeffbenton6183 Unfortunatly, I do not know what is the exact source of this idea. However, it looks to me like it is really old (I might have seen something like it in old russian textbooks, but I am not shure about that). After some searching, It appers that it is not so much the lack of evidence, as absence of consensus. As a modeling study from 2016 states: "The results of such studies differ greatly, to the extent that today’s atmospheric mixing ratio of 21% might be either the highest or lowest level during the past 200 m.y. " (Benjamin J.W. Mills et al, 2016). It seems that different studies look at different aspects (like air trapped in ancient amber, gasses trapped in rocks and paleobotanical evidence), and all of their results do not really agree with each other. I am not an expert in this field, far from it, but if I had to bet, I would say that Mesozoic was a thery long era and surely O2 levels flactuated during it, but I doubt that they ever reached anything close to the Carboneferous, and most likely were much closer to the modern levels.

@@absentfish1706 Maybe confusion with the Carboniferous O2 levels is a reason for the idea's spread.

I only remember reading about them being higher during the Cretaceous period rather than the entirety of the Mesozoic era. But I have never been exposed to a consensus the other directly, interesting.

@@absentfish1706 Air, or gasses in general, can easily diffuse through thin solid matter. Amber is generally not large and thick enough to not allow diffusion of air particles and molecules. Gasses in rocks however might be the best we have as evidence of past atmosphere mixtures. Despite this even gasses trapped in rocks don't show much signs of high O2 levels in the past.

Does it, though, or are y'all just a buncha blind stans?

I mean yea obviously There's gonna be life in another planet cuz millions of galaxies

I am a rock and as such I hold no grudge. Technically I live under, on top and within a rock. Space is very relative.

meanwhile, dropping off a single, or at least two more BOR7 unit(s) on that said-rock, and then sit back and let those said-Old One era/pre-Sirius era units do their....work.

HELLO? CAN ANYONE REPLY? DOES THIS SPOIL THE SECOND MOVIE?

Day 8 of not knowing if this spoils the second movie.

Day 12 of not knowing if this spoils the second movie.

Month 3 of not knowing if this spoils the second movie.

Hi, does this spoil the second movie? I haven't seen it yet still.

Rain? It's a rainforest. The humidity and condensation are intense.

Unobtanium?! Are you fugging kidding me 🙄

@@floepiejane It's a real engineering slang for something with ideal qualities that doesn't exist. I can see it becoming a nickname for a thing like this, I don't get the backlash.

Not every way. The first movie was pretty much just Dances With Wolves/ The Last Samurai in space, while the second, not so much.

Then the moon should be experiencing near-constant moonquakes 😢

​@@guyman1570Not just that. It would be a volcanic inferno.