The Problem With Honkai: Star Rail's Relic System 

Genshins isn't that bad. It offers a side slot. Way better than some other games.

Tbh there both equally garbage..........cause starrail improved multiple things.......both also made a few things worse............so there both still the same garbage............ The BEST WAY to improve this is let us reset are peices if we get bad rolls

​@@quint2568"isn't that bad"..........is that a JOKE.............god the copium in this is hard

Same here. Genshins is better. In star rail you need 2 sets and then have to deal with roll rng. In genshin you need 1 set + side slot.

​@@RadialSeeker113 *ignores everything that starrail improved* gEnShins BeTter

and even if the pieces are bad they can be used to strongbox or level up another piece. they need to add that in hsr

@@crushedmilkshake6690 what? You already can dismantle the orange relics for relic pieces or use them for leveling.

yes it cost more but in hsr you can choose which piece you want instead of being a random part like in genshin

​@@Kuukeksi I was just going to say

@@Kuukeksithey mean relics from bosses can be used for strongbox in Genshin, while star rail gives you none so you’re loosing out on fodder artifacts

Yes the rewards are actually nice considering you ppl get the ornaments and it’s not random but it does take some time to actually finish. Rather have than than waiting months for a decent elemental goblet.

I think sim uni isn't too bad if you opt for occurrences over battles, but yeah its dumb how 1/3 of the relics are locked behind it.

@@Vepazia More like 15, though with Acheron maybe it can be cut down to 5 instead.

@@Vepazia excuse me? Can you give me what you're on right now? Especially at low levels simulated universes have taken me up to half an hour.

@@lolhellogod6892 i dont know what game you are playing but its not the one we are

Can you auto exchange condensed resin at the reward chest or do you still have to go to the vendor first?

@@chillhour6155 Vendor but that takes all of 10 seconds in Mondstadt

I also dislike getting planar ornaments, I only go through SU for them so I can also get weekly points or if I have the tokens. What I find a lot easier is just salvaging 5 star relics I get from grinding body pieces and use the omni synthesizer for planar ornaments, since grinding body is a lot easier, while I’m also getting ornaments on the side. I also save my self-modelings resin exclusively for planar ornaments I want to have a specific element damage buff to make it that much easier.

And a solid 2 of those 15 artifacts will be trash. And you have a lot of faith in these players assuming the average run time is 30 seconds. I’ve played co-op. These players are lost.

@@Margxela To be fair coop honestly makes cleaing domains harder once a strong team is built. Ayaka freeze, Mono hydro, anything Nahida, Tao double hydro, Raiden hypercarry, Neuv. All can clear any domain content in under 30 seconds when built. Not much wants to eat 300k hp or more in a cycle When I'm helping in domains, anything more than two becomes becomes hard due to not using reactions while enemies have more hp. For example my go to helper team is Tao Yelan as it'll break any shields while having high dps. With more than 2 people solo dps's are the only option to help carry. Can go support like Clam Koko but then it takes 3 minutes to clear.

Yes, this, this! It drove me crazy because it would be nigh impossible for me to get the right 4 piece or right 2 piece planetary piece.

I agree that not having an off piece is annoying, but the strongbox system in SR is far better because it allows you to target exactly which piece you want. In Genshin there where a couple of times where I strongboxed far more than 10, 20 relics before getting the piece I needed, that with self modeling resin helps a lot.

@@mr.sherlockholmes7993 I disagree partially. In Star Rail I am at a point where I basically need every piece cause I don't have much useful stuff (Took a pretty long break). It is really expensive to get just 1 piece when right now random pieces for cheaper would definitely be more useful for me. Star Rail's strongbox feels like it will be amazing later on when I can actually focus on improving a single piece, Genshin's feels nicer to get a character's build started, especially when you are going for a set that multiple characters need.

yea, and you also need certain substats on your relics in order for planer ornaments to work in full effect 🥲

The 10:1 exists (compared to 3:1) because a) you get relic pieces from BP and end game modes meaning you aren't ever REALLY burning 10 relics to roll a new one.. and b) I really feel exists also because of self modeling resin. You NEED to roll more often on genshin because your artifacts are 100% random. In HSR, with an SMR your main stat is guaranteed. Now what would be nice is if they allowed you to choose between like main stat, substat, OR 4 substats.. ok I don't know who would choose that last one. but yeah it would be nice if I could burn an SMR to guarantee CRIT Rate on a head or hands. The off-set piece though... man... you nailed that. again with SMR... my guess is this is exactly WHY SMR was introduced.. because you don't get a choice on off-set if you want the 4pc. That being said.. running 2/2 with good stats is almost always better than running 4 with lesser stats. I know everyone knows this.. but I think people get so hung up on 4pc.. with the exceptions of Genius and Prisoner which are unquestionably ALL ABOUT the 4pc

this is why i’m thankful im a blade main. Id actually lose my mind if every time I get a good relic, it’s on a set no one can use.

this was my day 1 thought, especially since seeing that effect res set. I see more use on it now, especially with the increase of debuff-inflicting enemies, but I really don't like it when it gets the really good stats than give it for the other set (forgot name of other set)

I think you might just have gotten unlucky, but 3 whole sets is also a lot to ask for

@@jammed_yam Not in Genshin. I can put together at least passable sets in about a week per set, thanks mostly to the off piece and SPD not being in that game. I did get incredibly unlucky once where it took me about a month, though that was for a DPS I was looking forward too, so I went a little overboard. But it's been nearly three months and I'm still working on this one set The only silver lining is I sure do have a lot off level 15 relics now. Not prisoner relics, but still >_>

Dont forget that weapons also has more impact on your characters builds in Genshin, because they has actual substats. Things like Favonius can completely lift your needs to farm for a ER piece and Crit weapon let you alternate between Crit circlets.

Me with the artifact domain for the physical damage artifact domain.... my poor Argenti could never get his better pieces, like a speed substat or main stat speed boots.

@@zekkekeipa6521 Yeah, very true. And that's another thing I think is better in Genshin: 4 star weapons are SO much better than 4 star LCs. There are a few good ones like Secret Vow and Breakfast, but they don't give the stats you're looking for, which Serpent Spine does AND gives an amazing effect. And Sure, that's a battlepass weapon, but the Fav weapons aren't and Serpent Spine is SO much better than the BP weapons in Star Rail

It would be massive improvement if we could just take a piece with good substats and change the crap main stat to something desirable.

1) Mainstat choice, 2) One singular substat change option (incase u get double crit but flat defense you can switch it out for ATK etc etc)

how about they change those layered RNG shit that would be even better

@@user-qy9fl5en6h That's what they're suggesting

@@Kspice9000 I think this is the best choice while still not killing the relic farming which gatcha games WANT to drain your resin/stamina to keep you playing and tempt you to buy fuel/refills/etc changing the mainstate means you still need to roll and find a piece with good subs that you put exp(and thus stamina) into, keeping the game in a state where a company likes it, while still feeling "better" to players then burning a selfmolding resin on a speed boots that ends up with 3 flat stats and def%

agree, but not entirely. Yes farming relics is the most annoying thing in the game but boy oh boy is is satisfying when you 3 star MoC after trial and erroring for hours even :D

​@@user-yb1ut4nt7t fuck no. Resetting for rng is trash

I feel you bro i too have been farming for her since the patch before her banner up until this day and my relics still look like crap.

If I get what I wanted, I would simply move on to build the character that I've been wanting to use for months now, my Qingque hits like a wet noodle because i'm still not done with my Jing Yuan build even since his relase

It's been brutal. I've farmed both the Ice and Quantum set for her and not got anything functional out of either. The effort and time it's taken for her to still be super sub par I could (and have) but a full Abyss clear team from scratch

I thought she and DHIL were easier to build though? Since u just need to stack crit dmg on jingling and crit rate on DHIL since they both give the other crit stat in there kit?

@@treasure9342 easier to build but still needs good rng for relics

Because you get free relic exp from a lot of sources in HSR, MoC/SU/Dailies all give relic fragments. And you also need a lot less relic exp to max out your relics.

That's true that relics cap at 15 & artifacts cap at 20. Someone will have to crunch the numbers to see which is actually more efficient though.

Well how will you get EXP Books without Golden Calyx? Event Books aren't enough to get character to 80

Fr, Golden Calyx provide so little amount of EXP book. At least now they start providing materials this update. Currency seems fine in HSR, I had 5 M without farming. Could be because how expensive (in materials) it cost to max out character so only DPS got them.

I think they improved the drop this patch for Golden Calyx

You're in luck, you can get other materials in the calyx now

Well good news they made farming materials possible now

Become DOT main😂

Still not a solution unfortunatly, been farming that since it came out, I got 1 set of OK EHR and ATK%@@flatdefgod2960

@@flatdefgod2960 Dots are no different in depending on relic stats.

It seems like it is way harder to get cr and cd in HSR than in genshin, like the rate is way worse. I keep rolling into flat substats and defense

You can't escape the gambling. You gamble for characters, then you gamble on relics for those characters, and if you play qq, you gamble in game as well.

Let’s see that nav’s build then. A lof of y’all are saying it took 2-3 weeks to build ur characters so let’s see how “built” they really are😂

@@Margxela she consistently hit 160k

​@@Icrecreqmart34thats kinda average isnt it?with full buffs she should be hitting 200k at full stacks bullets

It's easier to max out substats from 6 artifacts rather than just 5. Especially since the subs value is relatively similar. The only issue is speed. For relics alone my blade was done in less than a week with decent 72/168 crits and 6.5k hp (spd boots). I've been farming emblems for Mona since 2.8 and to this day her crit is 53/172 top and never gets better. I got lucky with 3 cyno artifacts but his circlet and cup is still junk and I have no desire to farm for more. Took 2 months. Neuvilette took me a little more than a month for 50 cr 318 CD.

I got usable set in about 2 weeks max for my Navia (with mid substats, but usable) which was WITH struggle with the other set. I have a Navia set, Chevreuse set and off piece from that period. Meanwhile farming the DoT cavern, I have 2 okay sets with 4 stars, neither of which with proper substats (SPD, EHR, ATK). Sucks.

There no way

This is so cap

Yeah I got to wind chest pieces that rolled both with 31 CR Stat that was insane, but everything else for me since HSR came has been ass rng, I still don't have any musk gloves with CR stats as an example, supports are eating good though

@@chillhour6155 it kinda how they kept games alive the reason to why both genshin and har have a limit to the resin and the energy we have overall it not that hard to get the relic you want in har cuz if you didn't know there a item that you can get for free that allow you to chose what mai stats you want

@@tohyuluan2995No cap, really. I also have blade and only reason I was able to get cdmg chest for him is because I spent self modelling resin on it. It turned out shit, doesn’t have cr at all, or any of the subs blade cares about. But it’s a cdmg chest, at least.

Fr, My Jingyuan still sitting with 70:90 since 1.5, I've been using all on the domain and got nothing but dots set. Atleast I got a bunch of Break effect i guess (like 60+ ish via substats)

Did you just say Serval has no need for crit? Please for the love of god read her kit. She's not a DoT unit, she's a crit unit who uses DoT to supplement her damage...she literally has minor crit traces in her kit.

Dude i remember when everyone said they were skipping seele for him cause they said he was cracked They were making him out to be the most broken character in the game and i fully expected him to be Well...

That would be great, but sadly it'll never happen, because all artifacts would need to be retroactively changed not to have flats... T_T

flat substats and Def are best friends unfortunately

Fr, they’re pointless to almost every character

They could just make all relics moving forward not have flat substats. The odds of that actually happening are slim to none, but if they rolled out a change like that, I can't imagine anyone would complain about making relic farming easier. But yea, competing with 11-12 substats when I realistically only care about 3-4 is NOT it.

Yes, yes and yes again. I don’t understand the need for the flats. Why are they there? They are literally fking useless in every situation. For the supports and some dps there can be need for hp% and def%. But flat atk/hp/def are just far worse options of their % counterparts. Their single purpose is to screw us with RNG on rolls.

I've been intensely frustrated that the end game type content is increasingly locked in around very specific 5-stars. I didn't get Jingliu, but there's been content that is trivialized if you have her versus other Ice characters of different paths.

mind if i ask who you are referring to when you say "every new character that comes out is suddenly the best one in their filed and the old characters you have no longer being able to keep up with the content that comes out"? so far i cant really think of anyone that fits that bill

​@@alexblack1398jingliu.. ever since her release, moc always have ice weakness, even pf now. In pf currently favors dot team (and jingliu), i don't have kafka and bs, I am struggling to finish it. Last pf was too easy, but this time it's not the case for me. I am locked out simply because i don't have the correct pieces. Yes i do have sampo and guin, but their damage and mechanics are abysmal.

@@leblancattire5951 jingliu does makes sense, she is so far the biggest issue the game has, dhil atleast can only work in very specific comps making him more restrictive, as for pf, idk, I just put herta in one comp and seele on the other and I finished it, so I can't give much insight on the difficulty

@@alexblack1398 Let's use destruction for example Blade overtook Clara as semi-tank counter DPS Jingliu made Yanqing useless Dan Heng basically become the GOAT capable of demolishing everything even with no imaginary weakness etc. etc. This apply to most release so far like how ALL of 1.0 Erudition is now a bottom tier unit, or how every released healer so far outclass Bailu. As for content every content especially MoC are tailor made so that the new character have an edge. Easy example last MoC the gimmick relies on weakness broken an enemy which blatantly gave advantage to Ruan Mei. other example Swarm disaster and propagation blessing are released with Dan Heng which "incidentally" are easy mode to clear those content. The MoC back then also have skill point usage giving bonus damage again what a coincidence. or Argenti are released at the same time as those corpo slave enemy which have tendency to swarm a lot and "incidentally" all of them are weak to physical. The MoC back then gave bonus based on ultimate used, wow what a fucking coincidence. and so on and so forth. It take special kind of genius to not notice how every new enemy or game mode have mechanics that might as well carry a placard written with "Get the new unit for easy mode". I personally really hate it when someone took me as idiot, gave me a thinly veiled suggestion or provocation thinking they can control my behavior. I'm pretty big spender for gacha game but I spent not a single dime on GI or HSR.

It’s so bad it’s funny

Genshins/starrail has some of the WORST...........no not some, THE WORST equipment in ANY GAME that i have EVER PLAYED And I have played SO SO SO SO SO MANY GAMES

Who tf thinks that a randomizer would be a good game design 💀

@@treasure9342 epic seven's and summoners wars are worse.

It's worse then genshin

Honkai relic system is way less flexible but I still like it more because I can just do other things while farming 👯‍♀️

In my opinion even the relics in this game are still garbage........it's just more of WHY does the energy used for EVERY SINGLE THING Cause my opinion.......they need to make all the calyx and all things to leval ur talents and chars infinite............cauae not being able to build every character in these games where u have to PAY FOR most of them is SO stupid.........if they did that i would not care how bad the relics are cause in my opinion it would balance out

​@@treasure9342Yeah... Sadly not going to happen🦆

Better for the company, worse to the players.

Nah, don’t defend star rail, if it’s bad at something, it’s bad at it.

I think the cause of this is from the roots of honkai which is a a gacha game at the same time a casual game. You do things for 15 to 30 mins a day logout a be on your way. It wasn't mean't to be a game to be grinded on nonstop. But I do agree though that I wish they add more things to do without trailbaze energy. Though Icould see them adding a sim universe game that can give unli mats but with a bit harder difficulty for end game players.

Tbf it has something to do: SU Swarm and GnG My problem is that everything is combat xD but I think it's the essence of the game being oriented to combat so this will never change.

@@EngelAguilar That's exactly what it is. I totally don't mind that; Star Rail is built to be a turn based RPG and not an open world one. But I feel like a lot of the love for Star Rail and what it does, plus the associated hatred for Genshin, losses sight of this. I play both religiously and while I spend in Genshin for characters just BECAUSE, I feel like I HAVE TO in Star Rail because of how the content is structured. Look, I'm all for using free characters, but you can't tell me that every player is going to be able to 12 star MoC with free 4 stars when you factor in the mechanics getting added AND the sheer grind needed to get them up to a point where they can. That's why I'm not bothered at all by Genshin not getting a free 5 star. You ever ask yourself WHY the free 5 star was Ratio and not Black Swan, Sparkle, Luocha, Silver Wolf, etc.? Because he's Imaginary damage, which is on a premium, they've been ramping up Imaginary weak enemies, they've been investing in Follow Up triggered mechanics in events and content, and he doesn't need the team setup of something like Imbibitor. They didn't need to give people a free 5 star; they NEEDED to give people a free 5 star Imaginary character with a complete kit out of the box or people would stop playing because they'd feel forced to buy things just to complete content.

@@karsonkammerzell6955 Thats simply not true, you can be f2p and without dr ratio 36* moc no problem....

@@EngelAguilarthem take a long time and gets stale cuz ur practically playing the same mode

brooo this is it yeah. i'd be down to play hsr again if the decided to do this just to see if it makes a huge difference or not

Sim uni is the reason why I don't have a lot of planar sets. It so tedious to do and then for all that effort you still get terrible stats on your sets because of rng.

the lack of an off piece is really not that big of a deal and i have no idea why people still consider it so. You don't need to go 4pc in HSR, usually rainbow builds are like less than 10% worse than a 4pc build. Stats > set in most cases, you can make up for the lack of a 4pc bonus with an off-piece from a totally different set. There's only a few exceptions to this, namely DoT (who are generally less stat hungry on relics anyway) and Quantum, because their 4x is busted.

@@fuyukiryujin3723 Yes that's true, the set bonuses in HSR in general are relatively minor compared to Genshin so it's not the end of the world if you can't hit them. Using rainbow items with good stats is certainly an option, but nevertheless it's not like anyone actually *wants* to build like that or feel particularly satisfied with their characters resorting to using it. It's something people do out of necessity due to the system in play rather than it being a good solution per se

Is genshin your first game or...? The "artifact rng" concept wasn't invented by genshin or hoyo. Tons of other games, gacha or other types, use it.

@@mangosdayah fr? Didnt know cuz yeah genshin was my first gacha, but whoever made this upgrade system a thing its irritating as hell

No, you also get Xp upgrade from daily mission/commision in HSR.

genshin stans are so stupid i swear

This.

It took me SO LONG to get Dr. Ratio and his signature light cone to Lv. 80 AND his traces maxed. Now I have to farm Wastelander? 🙄

​@@sephprion6673no way in hell in farming this artifact again when they will release a more suitable artifact in the future

How often does the double reward happen?

They have that self modeling resin in the game for a purpose they know you will be able to get the set bonuses with main stat guaranteed at some point.

Imagine going for all characters (unless you are a collector)

@@animusdemifiend2307 HSR you need many of the characters cuz you cant simply skill your way to victory. For most people its already hard unless you play very exact teams.

@@zukodude487987 idk about that

@@zukodude487987do you not need many characters in genshin? Dumb comparison considering the average player needs multiple characters for both games to enjoy the content without absolutely sweating.

@@Margxela In genshin you can complete most if not all spiral abyss content with basic starter characters if your skill is good enough, if you have a couple meta characters on top of that then its only easier. In HSR it is often possible to not beat it with meta characters simply due to how restrictive the modes are. Luka can cover physical weakness but is useless if you need AoE. Natasha can heal but wont help if the enemy one shots your characters and is weak to quantum. One room needs Dot like Kafka but Sampo aint much use if you need a fire character. Every character is so niche and every MoC and Pure fiction needs very specific parameters met to beat it so you end up playing endless catch up with character building cuz there are so many and it will only get worse over time with new characters coming.

I have been trying to perfect Clara for 5 months and I have succeeded.... now I'm trying the same with the ornaments... I have almost 60 spheres and 50 ropes lol☠☠☠

I mean character release rate shouldn't effect f2p much though since they won't be getting all those new characters anyway. Hoyoverse want you to buy new character than buy more stamina to build them if you are a spender. Genshin is just a far easier game the abyss doesn't remotely need as heavy an investment as MOC 12 or Pure Fiction. We got people soloing character each side of abyss in Genshin where Star Rail that would be pretty much impossible one character does not stand a chance and most likely will be killed in the first turn.

The loadouts thing especially is annoying with how many setups you can run in both games. Meanwhile games like Granblue Fantasy let you create tons of loadouts for specific party setups with their gear and everything so you can specialize for different fights.

@@Eurosdown It's honestly hard to tell whether Hoyo are just deliberately making this tedious or if they're incompetent

I always do my dailies (artifact/talent farming) for hsr while at the gym. Since I ain't gotta do shit lmao, I love it when they take the tedious shit away. So the rng of relics never really feels like shit since I'm not even playing.

Waiting for auto-battle which takes longer time than me playing Genshin domain isn't a good gameplay

@@PrompiTomomi ...Do you have a good team? A good team should auto-clear in less than 2 minutes. Yes, I won't deny that a well invested Genshin team with a good personal skill level can do it a little faster, but that is a tiny difference that can be wiped out by anything going non-optimally, (and which also ignores that the two games are requiring you to do two very different types of combat). You are also ignoring the fact that you still have to be there playing Genshin (and playing well and focused too, or you aren't faster than HSR auto). I get to spend 95% of the time doing something totally different on my computer or just watch my team no sweat.

@@PrompiTomomi but playing the same battle over and over again for multiple months with the same enemies and the same formation, manually, is good gameplay?

@@alexblack1398 You can change up the team comps, try new stuff. That's more gameplay than going literally idle 🤣

Tbh not really.......we all know it......and this is just cleaning up all the reasons why these equipment in this games suck

Yeah yeah you're the asshole villain

Not everyone play star rail, genshin for big DMG We all here for story and waifu stuff

@@flatdefgod2960 what?

@@treasure9342 well some people don't care their relic stats like collector or story lover

I wouldn't say they are less important you get 3 set bonuses that can give you a lot of boosts like I got 35% follow up dmg, 12% atk, 8% crit rate, and 15% ultimate dmg for my Dr Ratio. That is a huge boosts to his dmg output and didn't have to farm that hard for it. Substats in both games are important but they are far more luck based than a set bonus it make sense they can make a big boosts to dps when that is your biggest source of crit rate and crit dmg other than traces. Set bonuses give you features you cannot get from substats like action forward on ult, atk up for all party members, break effect for all party members, immediately get an extra skill point at the start of battle, more energy regen which is exclusive to ropes so you can't make up for that with substats. Star Rail just has general use artifact sets at the moment they will get more focused later on. They already have a relic set specifically made for follow up attacks that give you 48% atk boost at max stacks.

That's pretty subjective because its all RNG in the end, you just got lucky. I'm still farming Grand Duke since it dropped because the game won't give me a halfway decent speed boots for Jingyuan.

Saying it's easiar to get substats in gensbin means u just got lucky in that game rather then starrail..........cauae there's both the EXACT SAME system

Yupe bc in star rail we don't have RNG double xp or 5 times xp right? Eventhough it's rare but at least something nice

@@freshlymemed5680 and here i am still farming for a good crit body for my seele. in the quantum domain.... since a few days after release.

@@Raphael-gd4ht both games suck, imagine spending 2k resin just to end up with 65% crit and 150 crit dmg gear(genshin) same for star rail, but 1k resin gives me 50% crit and 110% crit dmg, not even 120% crit dmg. genshin gearing system is slightly better, because u can just use an off piece and don't require two entire sets.

Yea and thats why you just believed a genshin fan who is just inhaling copium a whole video, you are so smart :)

@@ziodyne7774 Are you high? Nothing you just typed was coherent.

@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit try to understand it, I know it’s hard for gacha player, but at least make an effort

@@ziodyne7774 It's easier when you say things that aren't absolute nonsense just because you think I insulted your papa.

So when he says clear content, that is usually in regards to story and some easier events. For true end game, it is usually more ideal to have more optimized sets. If you are clearing true end game with sub optimal sets, then you probably have super meta characters or something. Otherwise no shot. But, that is only if the very end game matters to the player. If moc 12 or whatever isn't a huge deal to the player, that's fine. Most other content can be cleared with whatever sets.

Star Rail main stats are absolutely not equal probability, e.g. ER rope is 5% drop rate. Literally any amount of relic farming would make this obvious. Rest of post is riddled with wrong stuff as well, but if you can't even be honest with something like that, no point in even addressing rest.

@@phoenixlau Ok, which parts? Who uses the bard set? Is it worth equipping the majority of cast with Gladiator's? Have they added more characters like Raiden Shogun or other EM scalers? For that matter, outside Noelle, do we really see that many relevant Def scalers. I know the closest is Itto and he's not that relevant with his best team as him being a Furina Yelan driver. I was aware that it was 5% for the ER rope, however, more data has come out since I did research into this earlier in the game. Boots being 10% speed isn't the best, but the goblets have better ratio. And generally speaking, you are more likely to get the stats that most people farm for on the artifact sets compared to genshin ratios. Plus, ER is the only stat that's like 5% Elemental stats are 9% each and then the rest are like 10% or 15%. Considering how you presented the ER rope, I get the feeling an inaccuracy you refer to is the main stat argument. Its that way because each dungeon has 2 sets with 5 artifacts each. That's 10 different pieces which are assumed equal because as far as I know that's the case. So you have a 1 in 10 chance of getting the right artifact type and set. And then since most relevant main stats are 10% or below, you divide them by 10 to get the actual chance of getting the right artifact with the right mainstat which is 1% or lower. If you want to include Atk, HP, and Def, you can which doesn't follow this, but you might care on sands and possibly goblet with Furina, but people still default to Elemental bonus on goblet because swapping for Furina can be annoying, especially when you consider that's an extra artifact to farm. And TBH, ATK and HP are usually lower concerns than getting crit ratios etc, so no one is really farming for atk sands and they aren't really relevant in the discussion. So The majorit of stats have abbismal rate like 0.25%, 0.5% while HSR mainly hovers around 1.25% or higher for the 4 pc sets and about 2% or 3% for the 2pc sets. If you want to say its inaccurate to suggest that break effect is important or characters are built around it, you need to look at guides or something. There, you would also find out that DoT teams don't need crit stat, but mainly just atk, enough hit rate, and some speed. Break effect characters need Break effect, enough hit rate, and speed, usually on the higher end. I could keep going, but I think you should learn on your own. Either way, so many units need a few stats to be very functional and a lot of the units use plenty of sets Vars deemed unwanted. To prove my point, lets take Silver Wolf, she needs enough Hit Rate, about 100% at C0 to get all her debuffs at 100%. Then you stack enough speed so she always goes first and as much break effect and bulk as you can. No crit requirements, no min atk, just what works best. I will give that 1 or 2 was a bit strict though. It was easy to say because its a common phrase, but 2 or 3 is probably more accurate. Except for some pure dps characters, its easy to build most characters compared to Genshin where most characters need crit and what not. The exceptions are mainly healers, shielders, swirl units, and hyperbloom/burgeon drivers. You only really build a few of each of those. Healers and Shielders, even with 4.0, are avoided except when necessary, you build like one driver, maybe 2 for burgeon if you want that, and a few swirl characters. The majority of the characters you will build will require much more stringent requirements as compared to HSR where the majority do not.

Nah it's still same in the end In genshin you don't need tanky stats for support since they r just offield buffer/debuffer You can put lvl60 support character Imagine how much exp artifacts we all can save Plus genshin have ×2 and ×5 exp artifacts RNG. But star rail? You need tanky stats for support too bc you can't dodge in turn based game(unless they released camouflage/blind/evade kit)at least +12 relic all of them Or they all got one shot even Fu xuan can't save them😂.

​@@flatdefgod2960Talking as someone whose account is gigabricked from pulling and raising every single support in the game, how hard is it to get an HP orb and a few DEF% substats? You need a lot less to be super tanky in this game, with how high%s the tanky stats will roll. Even my Ruan Mei and lv60 Bronya who I got like two days ago can take some hits...

@@jellifygirl depends on the support, really. Units like ruan can take a few hits, since she only needs speed/hp/def, but units like tin or louche will need to atk/speed for atk buff/heal.

@@zeer7676 You're not wrong, though I don't wholly agree on the specific characters. Ruan Mei wants a good amount of break as well as speed and tank stuff, so she can be a bit annoying if you also want her to be decently fast, meanwhile Luocha is a "sneeze and you have him built" character. 99% of his build is done with main stats and a 2pc heal set, so fishing for random mid relics with SPD and DEF is pretty chill. Tingyun is probably the second hardest other than hyperspeed Bronya though, that shit's real.

But you could use offset in Genshin, for star rail you can't choose offset if you want 4pc bonus.

As someone who has been farming for a good Wanderer's Sands for my Ganyu since her release in 2021, trust me when I say I understand. Granted, I *have* sands for her, but my best sands have 6.2CR and 5.4CDmg. :V (I play Meltyu, so I do need CR, but come on.....) That being said; I am grateful for being able to have an off piece so I can have an absurd circlet for her to make up for literal years of terrible sands. :V Hope you get a decent sands piece soon, bro. ^^; From someone who knows that pain all too well. @.@

You would've made it while not knowing if you'll even get crit stats on it tho. Neither feels better when both games aren't giving you what you need, and it feels just as bad when you've wasted a scarce item to get another ice damage ornament with no crit stats for the third time. Back to Simulated Universe (where I got none!) while I wait to waste another. 😮‍💨

farming EM pieces is the same as farming spd boots or er rope with good substats

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Fuxuan is the answer 😂..no one can one shot team if fu in there..

I prefer HSR a lot more in that aspect than in Genshin, elemental shards don't matter if the characters you are building don't use that material, in HSR you can convert one material to another at a 3:1 ratio, trace materials are not restricted to a specific day of the week and the most important for me, bosses don't have a respawning time.

Thats the trick is meant to be a time sink so you need to play more and/or pay money to progress your builds

HSR players pride themselves for the amount of "endgame" that game has. And the endgame requires more out of your relics so you better hope you have good substats (that are harder to farm) or else you won't get the 10 cycle clear/60k points

On the contrary, I'd say HSR is even more limiting due to its turn based nature. In GI, you can get away with a lot of suboptimal things because the game gives you room to improvise. In HSR, your Relics need to be way more specific, with the most obvious example being the Speed stat. Currently, unless you have a really well-built Bronya, any boots that don't have a SPD mainstat are pretty much automatically trash. Even on characters that scale off HP or DEF, they will often want SPD boots too (Geppie says hi). Don't get me wrong, GI and HSR are equally terrible in this aspect, but Genshin is at least more forgiving.

@@FreeWillMind and here I am, clearing 36* and 60k without perfect relics or full sets. How? Just by mix and matching pieces for stats, and I'm f2p meaning no refreshes, don't have Bronya nor JL neither do I have any signature LC. As long as you aren't a purist with focus on aesthetic you can get enough stats to clear the "engame" content you seem to have problems with.

Yeah the self modeling resin can help a lot with the main stat issue. Genshin's problem with certain main stats is they have a lower drop rate than others. I don't remember the exact numbers, but for the timepiece main stats atk%, def% and hp% all have similar drop rates of like ~30%. Whereas EM and ER are both like ~5%. I know EM has the same drop rate for all 3 main stats. Similarly crit rate and damage circlets have a lower drop rate. I don't know if this is the same in HSR, but with Genshin it is so rough because there is no Modeling Resin.

@@bromegaman5962 There are being the crit pieces and the ER rope have lower drop rates but from personal experience its been easier manage since you just salvage the bad runs into the correct piece which has been a lot more consistent drops, it can still suck though but better then genshin's IMO.

@@bromegaman5962 In Genshin, EM and ER sands are both 10% drop. Cup is element 5%, EM 2.5%. Hat is crit 10% each, EM 4%. In Star Rail the rates are similar, e.g. ER rope 5%, speed boots 10%, crit chest 10% each, etc. However, it feels much stricter in Star Rail due to no off-piece. Self-modeling resin somewhat mitigates, but you don't get your pick of godlike off-piece like in Genshin. Whereas in Star Rail, every support are competing for the same ER ropes, while any ER ropes from DPS domain are completely useless.

@@phoenixlau Ah thank you. Yeah I agree about not having an off piece in HSR. It is somewhat mitigated by the Modeling Resin and since you can craft a specific piece to try to Rng snipe the main stat you want. Though overall it is probably worse than Genshin. The only minor upside is since HSR fuel Regen is 1 every 6 minutes and Genshin's is 1 every 8, you get 40 fuel every 4 hours compared to 40 resin every 5 hours. 25% more artifacts if you look at it like that, but harder to get the pieces you want per run.

The crafting system is surprisingly a lot more consistent than strongbox imo.

Not really. A lot of day 1 players just got unlucky. I, for one, didn't got any sustain character till now besides Lynx and Natasha. There's a lot of RNG that is hard to get by.

@@joaomoreno307 You don't understand what I'm trying to say. I building characters were easier, moc/pure fiction would be easier because they'd have a lot more characters and they're also well built

@@joaomoreno307 If you 0 cycle, you wouldn't need good sustain