THE PROBLEM WITH SUPERBOY 

For those who keep saying it, I know Marv Wolfman isn't dead. I should've wrote George Perez.

We need to start calling him Super Dude

I feel like if Conner was reintroduced during rebirth and they didn’t aged up Jon, I can see Conner giving the Superboy mantle to him while going by a new codename like Skyrocket

The arrival of the "Super Sons" really displaced already established and developed characters like Conner Kent and Tim Drake.

Yea, they made Conner's character pointless since they aged up Jon and made it obvious that he's going to be the one take up Clark's mantle. I feel like Conner should ditch the Superboy name become his own man similar to Nightwing or Red Hood.

Personally i enjoyed his T-shirt era. He felt aimless but that being the point. He felt like he was trying to figure out where his turning point was and where to go from there. And then New 52 happened before any of that could come to fruition.

I blame the New 52 for this. It got rid of Conner and Bart (Impulse) until rebirth. Which destroyed their character growth and progression.

The whiplash of seeing the Daxomite Superman was wild cuz no one ever remembers him

My biggest problem with the Superboy mantle is that there's no legacy connection, Bart Allen becomes kid flash to prove to Wally that the Flash mantle will be his once he grows up,Tim became Robin to calm Bruce after Jason died, but the Superboys have zero connection, they barely interact with each other despite being related. Conner,Jon and Clark never had a story reflecting on how they've all been Superboy compared to the Robins,Flashs,Green Lanterns and Red Arrows who have

In summary, the New 52 was a mistake.

Conner Kent could fill the original Superman place: a champion for the opress in a street level setting. Because he is a depowered version of the current Superman.

Crazy idea... one of the greatest tricks of Superman's disguise is no one thinks he even has a secret identity. Kryptonians have real names. Conner has a Kryptonian name and, as they're so fond of saying "It's not an S'. I thereby suggest Conner Kent just go by Kon-El as his hero identity; No muss. No fuss. Doesn't need to grow into it. Won't grow out of it. If he ever gets back together with Cassie again (likely... Young Justice's AU will only linger in pop consciousness so long and it keeps a damper on all the rabid Supes+Wondy shippers; always a plus in my book) she's already got a public ID and a less strong connection to her affiliated namesake too (demigoddess of pantheon associated with the Amazons who grew up as a normal teen girl, not an Amazon by birth) so they can just be Kon-El and Cassie who wear their respective team jerseys but are otherwise their own people. Just my thought.

Comics really should tone down with the multiverse cosmical stuff

The same problem with tim drake

I really do like Conner Kent superboy he's really awesome and personally for me nothing would've made me happier but to see both Conner Kent superboy and Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self fighting side by side as brothers and cousins because that would've been really aweosme and tons of fun to see happen, heck technically speaking we did get to see that happen in webtoon Wayne family adventures with Conner Kent superboy and Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self teaching Conner Kent to shave which was adorable and amazing at least in my opinion. My point is in general I really wanted both Conner Kent superboy and Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self teaching each other how to become heroes and fighting side by side and kicking ass and saving the day would be really awesome and badass in my opinion.

0:45 you forgot "and got his ass handed to him by Aqua-Man"

The fact that Conner is still Superboy while the Super Twins are Red Son and Starchild after one story arc is crazy to me. They could've just been the Super Twins for a while. Wally's kids are Surge and Thunderheart now too, they hate YJ characters specifically i fear

Call Connor Tomorrow Man, I believe there is a comic where he calls himself that

7:58 While we're on this topic can we talk about how unoriginal Red Robin is? I've always thought Cardinal would be a better name, since it's another red bird.

Yes, make Jon a traditional sidekick to Clark & Connor the independent Sky Rocket; like a Nightwing & Robin situation. And please hire people capable of & interested in writing children because it’s a less represented trope that people love. Getting to see the children of popular super heroes grow up to be similar yet unique or sidekicks with unique backstories basically invent new types of relationships for the genre is hype.

0:17 it was Geoff Johns additon btw, original Karl Kesel's Superboy-Connor wasn't clone of Luthor. I think he could even be Not the clone of Superman in the first place as in that comic it is not 100% if they did successfully crack Superman's DNA or just made modification on that guy's DNA close enough and called it a day

thank you for making a video on conner hes gone through more disrespect than characters like nightwing which is insane considering the disrespect nightwings gotten informing people of this so problems that dc is making for conner can be fixed is great hes already got a decent sized fanbase otherwise he wouldnt have gotten his recent miniseries now this fanbase needs to ask dc to fix their mistakes and for a potential new name guardian would probably be fitting given kon-els history and the fact that conner considers guardian a mentor figure guardian isnt really used anymore anyway

Young Justice felt like it really appreciated conner kent

Same problem is on wonder girl too

Theyve made both my boys Conner and Tim pointless and redundant. To anyone who grewvup in the late 90s/early 2000s, your Robin and Superboy are OUT

I think they should have kept Jon a kid and done a team-up series with him as Conner's side-kick ("Superboy Sr and Superman Jr") while Clark was lost in space. Then, when (adult) Clark comes back, introduce a time displaced 5-year old Clark, Cir-El, Chris Kent (with his pre new-52 memories restored and added to his post-rebirth memories), and Ariella Kent. From that point the series is re-titled "The legion of Superboys (and girls!!!)"

"Secret Identity" was supposed to be in its own continuity. I would've loved reading the adventures of that version of Superboy.

Connor has been my favorite forever. I grew up with him, kind of literally he was my age in young justice and the teen titans run he was in was during my high school years.

The transition idea made me think of a non-binary version of the character who is non-binary solely to mess with people who use the wrong name. Like, being so androgynous that people literally can't tell, so whether they say "super boy" or "super girl", the response can always be "Do I look like a *boy* to you!?" or "Do I look like a *girl* to you!?" And before anyone calls me a bigot or something, I'm third gender, so piss off with the accusations. I think this kind of stuff is hilarious and I wish we had more clever writing instead of the lame, hamfisted pseudo-representation that keeps making things worse for literally everyone.

Still mad they aged up Jon, SuperSons was so good, and even now at this point Damian should be like 16 already, he’s still only 14 for whatever reason, I guess they just wanted to invert the 3 year gap. Jon is fine as Superman but it was really thrust upon him not earned, with Clark, he made that name for himself, but now the next has to live up to his example, they can’t just take it. And now Kon-El joins the discarded superhero club, he should have been ditched the Superboy title if dc has had no plans to make him Superman as the new 52, they only even referenced future Conner Superman with that supersons/tim drake/Batman from the future/teen titans thing that one time in rebirth, they should just ditch Superboy, it’s not like the name is so popular they have to keep it for him, make him something else, make Kara superwoman, and make othul and ozul (the war world adopted kids) Superboy and girl, respectively

DC has this problem all tf over the place. Three Batgirls currently, multiple Aquaman and The Flash characters at once... Their whole legacy character title situation is a mess. I'd officially call Conner "Metropolis Kid" if I were calling it. It's a bit of a mouthful but he's used the nickname before and it'd give him his OWN identity like Nightwing got when he decided to take on a new character design and codename. Even Aqualad becoming Tempest was great, but they just don't do it anymore! The characters aren't getting new codenames anymore and I think it's because none of these characters are evolving anymore. And if I were somehow having my say I'd want an in-universe reboot on Jon Kent as well. The Superboy of the Super Sons was far too good to just throw out like they let Bendis do so disrespectfully.

The post Superboy resurrection was unique; regeneration until the Legion of Superheroes time, 1000 years in the future. Ended up going back in time to before he died, so technically he was running around at the same time as his own catatonic body. Could have made for interesting stories if they expanded on it, like saving himself when he was vulnerable in the regeneration chamber. Or maybe do one with Time Police calling him a time anomaly who belongs 1000 years in the future, tries to drag him back. Never had any of that, it was one and done forgotten.

The new superboy mini series from last year is what got me back into comic books. I think it was pretty solid especially that final fight with cyborg superboy and the beam struggle they had. At this point though I honestly can’t see Conner being called anything but superboy. Kinda like how Tim drake feels weird when they give him other identities (Red Robin is such a bad name). The young justice show also kinda reinforced the idea that Conner is the main superboy. Plus the ending of the recent latest series has Conner being okay with the superboy name but that he should see it as something to hold him back but allow him to go out and do more then just what Clark does.

Meh, Connor could call himself Superboy until he looks like he's in his 30's. Ditto with Wonder Girl (though I guess that ship has sailed). The Beatles were referred to as "boys" through most of their careers in the band.

hmmm i honest i like too conner kent is really cool and amazing also he is the "superboy" of the universe and no a sidekick i think is more a super but with his own style

It's the same with marvel. I loved Nate Grey and Ben Reilly. They killed them off then brought them back years later. They didn't have a plan, so they were just written off again.

The problem is they don't use him enough.

Do you remeber when we had fun Damien and Superboy adventures? And then Bendis showed up, ruined him for no reason, then left?

They are Never going to give Connor his own name. But who knows hopefully they do. 🤷 Superboy Prime is still my favorite Superman Variant 💯

I would love it if you also did New 52 Superboy.

I just want a Comic for my boy Superboy Kon

I love that technically Super-boy is lex and Superman son, I guess lex used the pink kryptonite.

I have a question, Is Black Shirt superboy and Leather Jackey Superboy the same person?

3:19 he's not dead

superboy prime was the best superboy hands down seeing him body all these jackholes was glorious

Super guy

Connor Became Superman, When He Fought, Superboy Prime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Friendly reminder that some of Brian Micheal bendis' only good work was a comic run where the protagonist was just straight up a teenager. The fuck does he mean he can't be bothered to write a child

Honestly they need to give Conner a new superhero name and a place in the main DC community. And perhaps give him a new look he looks stuck in the 90s. I liked the t-shirt and jeans combo.

Now we just need to figure out what makes Superman peanut butter so delicious.

Let’s just call him corner Kent if we already know his name

What about Conner's wife and daughter on gemworld?

Call this man Sentinel and expand the telekinesis, Kyle. My guy could be flying through space exploding asteroids with intrusive thoughts by now but everybody so sleepy

I hope you could make a video on cassie. She's in the same spot as kon, as the writers don't know what to do with her. Especially know since they've replaced her with Yara.

This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!

Personally, i really enjoyed the New52 version and Young Justice animated series version Costume-wise i liked the New 52 design the most.

maybe its just me but i didnt understand anything in this video concerning the timeline expplanation

I came out of this more confused

I thought Tana Moon was the love of his life Conner was really into her she was the first woman he met after he broke out of the lab & he went to Metropolis to find Lois. When Tana died Conner was devastated even though she was much older than him I think she was in her mid or late 20s when they met each other.

Awesome video, love to people talk about my favorite superhero. Definitely agree that a name change for Conner would be really beneficial

Conner should change his codename, Jon is the Superboy now.

Personally I feel like at the very least Kenan can keep the name. He's supposed to be "The Super-Man of China". So let him just BE China's Super-Man. I mean I like seeing him interact with the main super fam, but he shouldn't be a permanent metropolis mainstay. Let him go back to China and lead the JLC As for Conner and Jon, Ive seen Sentinel and Scion thrown around as codenames. Tho personally I'd rather Jon just be a kid again and be the main Superboy as Clarks sidekick. But if DC really wants a younger Superman for a new generation... Then why couldn't it have been Conner

"RIP MARV"? George Pérez is dead, not Marv Wolfman.

I love Connor . I grew up with him in the 90’s. Superboy and Supergirl are just confusing to me . I don’t even know who the current Supergirl is (Or if the original is still in continuity or not.). This was a good history . Thanks .

Let’s just make Conner the opposite of Jon, he will be the republican superman that goes to Trump rallies, a true farm boy.

evey dc character is exactly what dc editorial says they are not just superboy after all they are all fictional

Making Superboy trans would’ve been so stupid and idiotic and DC would’ve been set on fire

at least they backed out of sending conner into *g e y* tokenism purgatory like they did with tim and the new superboy, i actually thought conner was cool

Why did you have “RIP Marv”? He’s still alive at time of this video.

I prefer Superboy's Young Justice look. I like that the Titans show adapted the T-shirt Conner Kent. Though they fumbled when they made Conner bald.

There is literally no other name you can call him. That's the problem.anything they come up with will just sound silly

Man, I hate what they've done with the DC Universe in the past ten years. 9_9

I hope you make a video about mort cinder the best comic from the 60s

The entire Young Justice crew refuses to age or grow

Conner should go by Kon EL instead of Superboy cause Kon EL sounds cold af

All these next generation heroes are just adrift in DC with no future after Geoff Johns just HAD to bring back Hal and Barry. 20 years from now Bruce will still be Batman, Peter will be Spider-Man , Clark will be Superman, and Franklin and Valeria will still be children. Dick was lucky he got to grow into his 20s. Its annoying we only ever see the teen characters as adults in alternate universes where they're evil or the apocalypse happened

Hawaii Superboy and She-Hulk were the first comics I was ever given

superhero names for conner kent (accepting suggestions): super bro, super dude, super punk, super kiddo, super rocker, super meteor, sky ripper, super rebel, rebel of steel, Super Freak (that one rick james song), super man (with an american accent), super guy, super.

Good video there’s so many unexplored paths they could go with him wish they’d utilize his potential

Conner going off into space make so much sense. Adventures in space have been part of Superman’s legacy and character as a kryptonian. Most importantly DC doesn’t have as much focus on space/cosmic based stories as marvel. Marvels got tons of cosmic empires like the kree and Skrulls, groups like the guardians of the galaxy, the star jammers,alpha flight ,the X men occasionally right now in x men red,nova,the inhumans, and more that focus on space . While for DC it’s really only the green lanterns. Space stories may happen from time to time but 9/10 times it’s the aliens coming to space or just a small limited event or focus. Having Conner have a book focusing on finding himself and in space would flesh out dc’s world outside of earth.

He’s not in fortnite yet

Jeans super boy my favourite version. I don’t want some neek with a bomber jacket

Awesome video

He looks like hed be a SuperBro

if you take requests can you review Deus EX Machina? It's an old manga series

Its the same with wally west flash DC just seems to hate him and don’t writhe anything for him post reboot.

Another problem DC has had in the past they were writing two different Superboys at the same time. There was the 2003 Teen Titans version with the black shirt, because of the Titans tv show. But in the stories he was involved in like Suicide Squad, or Titans United that was MATCH Conner’s clone. A Bizzaro Superboy. So when the OG came back at the end of SS and then reintroduced in Action Comics House of Kent, he hadn’t had ANY development since pre 52 at that point.

The CassKon ship is getting wild briefly.

Kinda prefer the Young Justice one but this Superboy isn't bad either

U made a great point for example we gotta start calling beastboy... BeastMAN hes like 20 now

SuperGuy Yea that’ll work

This is the kind of comic book content I want. Just the right amount of recounting continuity fuck ups, questioning why BMB makes the choices that he does, and stupid editorial status quo shit to make me remember why I love/hate comics. Every fan of some b to c-list character has some righteous crusade against DC and they're all right.

Darkseid: Those Kryptonians all begin to look alike to me, Granny Goodness. Goodness: Torture your slaves. It makes your permanent frown look so adorable, my Lord Fluff Kitten.

I applauded it for being different!

Super cousin, Super Tardigrade, Super duper whatever

If Connor Kent wants a new name He should call himself black zero and where the black and gold armor the suit and Name is badass.

He is Superboy. What he deserves and it something Geoff Jhons stripped him from, is to reconect with people, bring back the Leechs or Dubbilex, hell, bring back the niece of Lex Luthor. Stop taking ideas from twitter and make him a guy having fun again.

He could loose the oy at the end and just become SUPERB.

Skyrocket is dope

10:47 5th Banana. Miguel Montez from Dial H for Hero, transform into Superman does counts. 10:22 I don’t like Maggs Visalgo’ Backup story of Connor Kent in action comics. It contradicts what Connor’s growth in The Superboy Man of Tomorrow Mini Series by Kenny Porter. (Please check out Kenny Porter Superboy it really good) By Connor dying a Red Streak on hair which copying Trav the Evil cyborg Superboy who has a red streak. Maggs literally thought Connor Kent and New 52 Connor is same person. They separated characters. Also Connor Dating Miss Martian was completely out of nowhere. Connor and Miss Martian date only in Young Justice Cartoon continuity. And it should only be in that continuity. I hate it when comic has to change to be in sync with Adaptations. It ruins individuality. Why Connor didn’t go back dating Cassie Sandmark? She also a 3rd banana technically 4th because Tom King created Trinity. Trinity a terrible character. I like Yara Flor better. Wish Cassie is a mentor to Yara Flor. I think Maggs use miss Martian off her shapeshifting abilities as trans coded. But Maggs made Connor even more aimless after learn in his lesson in Man of Tomorrow. *Edit:* I want to add Maggs Wrote Connor into a whinny disrespectful prick to everyone. Connor would never disrespect Ma Kent.