There's gonna be comments about this so i'll address the comment I made about "nosegrinds/overcrooks". Every thrasher mag, every transworld mag, Leo Romero, Nyjah, Yuto, Reynolds, all call "overcrooks" on rails nosegrinds, because balancing a nosegrind on a round rail like a ledge is just something most people don't do. It IS technically an overcrook, but there's a big history where skateboarding basically decided on calling it a nosegrind. If you're a skateboarder, who ends up skating with a lot of people, a lot of those people will tell you, it's a nosegrind, some might say it's an overcrook, either way, you know what it means. but straight up, the best skateboarders in the world call it a nosegrind. 👊
I started skating in the early 2000s where the only content of skating you saw was either in magazines or the same skate videos you watched over and over in your town. If you paid attention you would notice that in the mags when someone is doing a FS overcrook on a round bar they would call it a nosegrind. That’s just how it was. There’s so much confusion about this trick. (And I can see why) Same with salads and suski grinds as well as nollie board slides and nollie lip slides. Either way it doesn’t matter. Call it whatever you like. It’s just skateboarding. Have fun with it .
Yeah, I think how much people get hung up on trick names is a bit silly. At least, you should never harass anyone because of it. If I'm eating a cheeseburger and call it a burger who cares, same as if I called it a basketball, I'm still eating it either way and it's gonna taste the same.
okay... what about the very first thing you talked about? A feeble vs. a smith has nothing to do with what direction you're coming from or what stance you're in. A feeble is when your front trucks go over the side of the rail you're on, and a smith stays on the same side.
Thrasher and Transworld used to get trick names wrong all the time, there wasn’t a logical reason they called fs overcrooks, nosegrinds. There is no reason to continue calling it a fs nosegrind aside from “nosegrinds are too hard…”, or for the sake of being contrarian.
Not gonna lie, this was the first video of yours I watched and it inspired me to buy a grind rail so I can mess around and work on grinds on my board simply because I was getting bored doing flatground tricks.
I’m an old skater who hasn’t really got my board out in like a year or two and I can honestly say this video made me want to go out in my front drive and learn these tricks I wish John was doing this when I was younger lol we all would of been ripping way better then we did ha ha
i’d say try your best to look around your area for curbs, ledges, and rails. it’s definitely a lot easier if you have a skatepark nearby. if you don’t have either your best bet is buying a flatbar online for 100-300 dollars, or any other obstacle you wish for. shit you could even make your own!
5:0 on rails are much different from ledges, you have to be precise with where you put your back truck on. The best tip for them is to put all your weight on your back foot, stay above the rail, and lean back a little.
Thanks for this tutorial! Very helpful //// I wish the skate community would all agree to use the terms “heel-side” and “toe-side” when explaining tricks instead of “left” and “right”. Then you don’t have to worry about goofy vs regular- you can explain it one way and it will make sense for any stance. Would make things easier for everyone, why is this not a standard thing by now…
Some of the most fun sessions I've had are just a rail in a carpark/netball court. Solid informative video! Now to actually land go some harder grinds.
Slides and grinds scared me as well, there's no shame on wearing a helmet practising if you don't feel safe... I did and I still have a couple in the back of my car, in case I try to learn some new ones. Grinds/slides on stairs are a no no for me,
As a 90s skater that did not have internet tutorials at my fingertips.. I have to say: there is no excuse for kids these days.. you should all be able to shred
I've seen Powell Peralta's guy @ZachDoelling visually demonstrate why a nose grind isn't an overcrook, depends on where your weight is centered on the rail and how the board is angled away from the rail vs centered. Overcrook angles over, leans and pinches while nosegrind should sit direct center on the rail. The difference is huge and should be noted, pro or not. Pros insisting an oc is a ng usually just don't have the board control to choose which one they lock in. Great video nonetheless, no hate here
Your videos are the best! They always gets me pumped to go out and just focus on the fundamentals, which in turn make me a more advanced skater. As a 36-year-old father, Its a lot harder to stay on my game, but you keep reigniting my desire to get out there and shred. You da man! Quick question, can’t seem to figure out how to fix my trucks from making my board drift /turn to one side. Like if I push my board in front of me, it drifts to the left. Assuming since I’m regular and bc that’s my heel side , that is the cause, but is there a fix for that?? Maybe harder bushings?? Would be nice to throw my board down tail facing forward and not feel awkward lol. Might be wishful thinking tho…
5:40 so if you pause it there. What grind would it be, if you were actually grinding towards the direction of the camera in that same position. Meaning the nose would actually be the tail in that scenario.
I love your trick tip videos, they're so straight forward and no nonsense. Even if I'm not in a place to do them, I know I can come back to it when I'm ready.
In the mid - late 90's I could only 50 50 and 5 0 on ledges. And the learning curve in a small farming community was long . Zero skaters in my grade school and in high school myself and one other grade 9 skated. Three 12 the graders out of 600 kids. Then we had six ish by grade 11 and that was in 1996. I had an abandoned barn next to my house out in Farmville and we could skate year-round with two feet of snow on the ground and me and my friends were the only kids able to do that. If we only had cell phones and RU-vid back then or a larger access to skaters to learn from
Ive seen people balancing a nosegrind on a round rail, for example Tom Penny did it back in the 90s/2000, theres footage of it somewhere, it was at a skatepark and balances it perfectly without pinching or anything
ive been getting my ledge work in, but ive never understood round rails. Its almost embarrassing how long i went without realising you dont lock in a 5050 on the centre of your trucks lol... Next skatepark sesh is gonna be interesting.
Ngl im pretty much a Deep South Z-Boy pool skater whos trying to learn to work with the street obstacles and popsicle sticks at parks so having all these resources on YT is very helpful. Just imagine if this was around back in the vert era... Or even BPSW 😅
Wrong. Nosegrind and Overcrooked grind are two different tricks. A Nosegrind is only straight, never crooked. If a Nosegrind can be straight there would be no such thing as Crooked grinds. Furthermore, you can straight Nosegrind round rails, it's just harder. Most people agree that Backside overcrooked grind exists, therefore it's frontside counterpart also exists as each standard grind trick has it's frontside and backside counterparts. Even if you can't straight Nosegrind a round rail you need to call it what it is (i.e. Overcrooked grind).
i'm with GG. nosegrinds on round rails are real. yeah, they both pinch under the front heel side wheel, but the balance points are different. if the board is angled enough you get much better leverage for balance, because technically you're balancing like a teetertotter. which is crooks. nosegrinds are like 5-0 or a heel side locked 50-50. they're more of a glide on your heel side and keep your feet flat using your ankles... hard but possible. people can do one or the other, but some can do both, and if there is a difference, then it's a different trick imo.
doing 50-50 on a square rail feels trickier than doing it on a curb. Do you recommend the wheels touching the rail while grinding or grinding without having the wheels touch the rail?
HI HILL JOHN haaaaaaa lol tryed to show the missus some grinding she wasn't down 4 it at all it wasn't my foot that was limp haaaaa lol ill let myself out thx lol
Hey John thanks alot for the awesome video :) You said that the feeble is the easiest grind to do but is it also the first one that I should learn? Wasn't really sure since I thought that the first grind is gonna be a 5050. Always super excited when you upload :)) keep it up.
It's just flat out not true that nose grind and overcook are the same. Same position for your wheels and trucks on the rail but not body position or the look of the trick. I feel like people who say that either can't overcook or can't nose grind so they just say it's the same thing. I'm glad Garret set you right on this one
My story is that when i started skating i used to have my ollie position quite awkward, i used to have my front foot almost in the middle of the board but i could do 50-50, 5-0 and sometimes even smith just fine and then i tried to relearn my skating with my front foot closer to the front bolts and i cannot jump as high and it feels more sketchy :/
@@almasysephirot4996 yes thats what i thought but i have a feeling is not as good technically and with legs closer together it can affect stability and another thing is then doing tricks that require you to move your foot to the nose like crooked and noseslide or nosegrind or overcrook its harder because you have to move the foot too far. I was and probably still am making a mistake by not pulling the foot all the way to the nose that why i was doing it that way and created a bad habit. maybe it has to do something that when i was learning ollie my skate didnt have a griptape so i unintentionally created some bad habits as result
isn't it that even if u approach the rail bs or fs the feeble grind is when u put your nose of the board over the rail? like u go for a fs freble and u're goofy u put your back truck on the rail and the front truck over to the left side, and when you're goofi and go for a bs feeble the back tot the rail and the front over to the right. please correct me if I'm wrong!?!
I've been working on fs feebles for a couple days on a round rail and I've managed to slide a several times, but it's definitely hard to stay balanced and not nosedive. Maybe I will try approaching with a less angle next time to stay on the back seat a little more.
I always kinda felt like there was more of a difference between feeble grinds n smiths where a smith grind kinda hangs lower n off the obstacle where the feeble sits on top. I get how interchangeable they can look on a round rail or flat rail, but smith grinds on a ledge will always hang low when feebles look similar whether frontside or backside
