The Republic's Awful Tactics at the Battle of Geonosis | Star Wars Battle Breakdown 

EckhartsLadder do u mean battlefield 5

EckhartsLadder do the battle of yuuzhan'tar!

Clarkie Clark lmao ur funny becuz Battlefield V and Battlefield 5 are the same thing

EckhartsLadder yes

ah the good oldie, nuke it to hell. I SEE!!! yeah. I think part of the issue besides Palpatine fucking with everyone and Dooku actually knowing they were coming in his own way was that the jedi diddnt want to, you know genocide the place and the genosians, they underestimated the droid numbers, diddnt know what they were walking into and all that.

That is the real reason. Lucas wanted it to look cool, not make sense.

Exactly, droids and clones and all their vehicles etc duking it out is much entertaining than watching orbital bombardment for 10 minutes

I'll be 1st to admit I enjoyed watching all the varied toys shooting each other. That movie probably introduced more new vehicles than any other Star Wars movie ever. Hell, its introduced more interesting vehicles than the entire Disney canon thus far.

Orbital bombardment would be stupid like legit the main combatants live underground they would easily live through even a long time of that plus that is pretty brutal and Jedi would never accept that strat

KingSkeletor why show off the army? Make the enemy believe you have an insignificant force and then surprise them by unleashing your army in a surprise attack where orbital strikes can’t be used

Begun, the Cool Visuals have!

To be fair, Windu sent Commandos to the front line

Wow the unrestricted unknowing use of the r-word. Funny, u r not.

@@adam6620 Grow up

Justafan IV you know you are right about the Republic's "tactics"

The Acclamator assault ships are not designed for orbital bombardment, they are mainly for transporting troops.

If I was a developer in Episode 2, I would have Lucas for the CIS to have a fleet of droid control ships that goes to battle against the acclamators.

He mentions that the Acclamator is Base Delta Zero capable, which to me means they are more than capable of orbital bombardment.

Geonosians live underground and most of their structures and foundries are essentially bunkers. I think they can tank a few weeks of orbital bombardment, at least until they muster all of their space assets from elsewhere and start slamming your blockade like there's no tomorrow.

Lol "Doge fishon"

Nice profile picture

A quote from which character, is this? Remember this line, I do not

Lil Colgate Vert Yoda I think

It's been a while seen this movie though so if I'm wrong don't be mean

The republic also put Jedi who were peacekeepers as generals and had been demilitarized for a long time too

So basically, Palpatine ordered the Jedi and the Clone trooper military forces to land their ground forces for a land battle and have their cruisers leave orbit?

It is not possible to win a galactic war with a single planet.

fantasticmoose but this makes sense

@@kofola9145 I strongly disagree the demorilization of the destruction of leadership would have scared the remaining leadership off world along with an overwhelming victory nd the leadership being killed would have brought them closer to the table for peace talks

Michael Ramon The Empire resorted to chemical weapons to wipe out the Geonosians, when their typical MO is a planetary invasion with a Base Delta Zero as a last resort.

And the chemical weapons didn't even 100% work! I don't like using bug metaphors regarding insectoid species, but the Geonosians are at least as hard to stomp out as cockroaches are.

Michael Ramon as long as you're doing your duty as a citizen, you're good ;)

Michael Ramon or durge.

Totally agree. Nope EckartsLadder, for that battle, the Republic was pretty clever. They did what had to be done.

Also I feel like they were kinda just had it thrown at them, I always felt like the majority of the Senate say the jedi as pawns to solve their problems far before the clone wars.

Than you hire someone who does!

Miguel Sanchez which was no body

@@hisroyalhighness7778 well the CIS found Grievous... You don't think there were any competent and experienced generals... In a galaxy?

Darth Vitiate- yeah Palpatine sure used that to his advantage. He wanted the Jedi to be seen as incompetent and war-mongering, always trying to start wars where there does not need to be. Of course, that was propaganda spewed by the CIS, but the CIS was the republic anyway. Tbh, the Jedi should’ve been smarter and removed themselves from the fighting, since they have emphasized time and again that they are keepers of the peace, and they can’t fight your wars for you. Literally every bad thing that could’ve went wrong, went wrong. Almost everything played into palpatines hands, even when he didn’t intend it to. The clone wars was the perfect storm

Also, this is not a battle they were expecting to fight YESTERDAY. Well, I guess it's possible that Anakin and Padme were in enemy custody for a few days, but not any longer than that. Even if they had been gearing up and preparing to deploy for a while in anticipation that the Separatist Crisis was about to explode, they would have had no idea that Geonosis was the target - no one did until Obi-wan followed Jango there. The army was deployed, for their first real combat EVERY, essentially blind. It's a true testament to the skill of the clones, the power of surprise and the might of a few dozen Jedi in one place that they were able to take the planet at all.

Michael Ramon True.

I agree. I'd also like to add the Republic probably weren't expecting the CIS to have a MASSIVE droid army waiting to fight them. The Clone army was literally organized yesterday/ last week, and all the Republic knew beforehand was that a bunch of systems led by a disillusioned fallen Jedi wanted to break off the Republic. They had no idea the CIS was already building up an army RAPIDLY. They probably thought their objectively superior Clone army was enough to take out the CIS on Geonosis, but ended up overestimating the logistics and allowed the CIS command to escape.

While all true. The CUE was ACTUALLY genuinely SURPRISED at the ferocity and SIZE of the Clone forces that launched such an all out heavy attack on them. It was basically a space Clone War equivalent of D-Day an while mostly poorly coordinated the Clones delivered and the CIS got their asses handed to them. Dooku we all notice along with the other CUE leadership was a lot more careful in future engagements. As was their enemies. Had he tried to bail like he did much later he'd probably been caught or shot down. Opting to be more classic suddenly vanished bad guy a lot the time from then on or fight his way out trying to get away fast as possible I guess after getting his wake up call. Grevious also did that a ton as well. Least both side's tactics slowly improved in later fights somewhat most the time

may I add, the surprise in the CIS is genuine, so maybe the troops could have already grounded a few waves of the acclamators before being noticed. Carefully aimed, they shouldnt be overwhelmed that easily, and I say it because, really, the jedi were turning the lightsabers in the middle of the arena, right next to freaking count Dooku before the very fools even realized they were being attacked. if thats the level of security where your leaders are, the rest of the planet was an open landing zone probably

Vsause Puppet but it was a droid factory, not only did the republic not use droids, it would cost more resources then it would be worth to try and convert it to produce vehicles and starships

Yeah. But they could reprogram the droids...

its not a law that held them back from using droids, it was the avaiability of the clone army. Nothing is holding them back to use Battledroids and clones combined. give them a paint job, code them for repupöic service and almost double your troops in a small time if you need to/have the resources.

DatGengariosboi let's not forget that the Trade Federation were the ones that originally built and programmed these droids, if they had some kind of signal or switch that could regain control of the droids (not saying they do, but look at it from a republic leader's perspective), then in the middle of battle half your fighting force could do a 180 and fire on your own men. Plus the fact that Geonosis is on the complete opposite side of the galaxy from republic control, so you'd need a sizable garrison to protect the factory, suppress the locals, ship food and materials to the factory and carry back the droids, it would be more trouble then it's worth just to add cannon fodder to your army

No the taxes from the republic did

Mecha-san considering the republic had disbanded its military for roughly 1000 years its not surprising its tactics are outdated.

Where they ever dated ever?

I wouldn't say there doctrine was antiquated so much as, the ground attack on the seperatist ships was needed to be shown on screen to show the kick off of the clone wars, bombardment from space would have been cool, but been over much quicker, been far less dramatic and not only not involve any of the main characters, but not even put them in jeopardy, so once again less dramatic, so it seems the battle doctrine was created to be as dramatic as possible, almost as if they knew they were making a movie. :)

Mecha-san the Jedi and Republic having been in a major war since the days of the Old Republic. As a result the Jedi became docile and inexperienced at leading soldiers just look at the stark-hyperspace war, and the Mandalorian Civil War

Reed Uchiha The Jedi won the Mandalorian Jedi war from what we heard. And in Legends they rekt them

That's a good game right there.

I miss playing that game. And such a great final act

Sabaoth Squadron are one of the most underrated video game villains of all time. I loved those guys.

Fuckin' quality game for the PS2. I miss those days... The Clone Wars comic did not give her character a good death.

You mean the Battle of Coruscant. I don't care if the Vong occupied Coruscant and named it Yuuzhan'tar, I will never recognize that name anymore then Thrawn recognized the New Republic.

I have to agree here. While, yes, the GAR does have orbital superiority at the time of the attack's beginning, the CIS definitely had ships elsewhere that would be brought in if the battle dragged on. While the acclamators did have some cruiser capabilities and weapons, primarily they were troop transports. If even a small force of actual warships arrived at Geonosis, the acclamators would have started dropping like flies. And, with that fleet essentially containing the entire clone army that was not in training still, losing it would basically mean handing the war to the CIS on as silver platter. A quick, overwhelming offensive was the strategy they needed to take the planet and defeat the forces there. I've been going over different potential strategies in my head, and ultimately though, anything that gives the CIS time to bunker down into defensive positions is too much of a risk. I would say proceed with the all out ground assault (though if I had my way it would be with actual military commanders in charge instead of Jedi acting as generals, keep them to their own skill set and use them for elite special forces) but leave just a couple of accumulators in orbit to provide bombardments to take out the grounded CIS spacecraft, and assist the ground forces. Once the other ships had unloaded their troops and re-entered orbit they could land if the ground battle needed reinforcements, or stay in orbit if the CIS ships were getting close to escaping.

that is like playing full Raddus on TLJ lol. good, but you could rather counter, with the lucrahulks on the air, just unload the droids you were saving for future encounters, there will be time to load them back when the battle is won

Lol don’t even need shields just go hang out with the geo bois underground

Lol I literally was thinking the same thing just hold off the acclimators before they rain fire like with some dreadnoughts or vulture droids and wait for more reinforcements in the air because if you deploy say 30% troops and jedi and overload in the air I will be more worried about an Ariel assault and focus my strategies and firepower in the sky and say if the republic were to retreat we would have more support because ships would be coming out of hyperspace

@@miken5448 usually LAAT'S are troop transports so with them wouldn't you use them for more firepower or just for deploying troops

Neither does anakin lol

Couldn't they shoot at least the Coreships that are crewed each by a dozen thousand droids?

Yeah, The Jedi of the clone wars are horrible generals. In war, the objective is to kill the enemy. The Jedi cannot accomplish that without betraying their ideals. Previous Jedi in legends seemed to be able to balance the need to defeat the enemy without betraying their ideals (General Hoth comes to mind, though there was a bit were it was close)

Too brutal against inanimate, unthinking objects?

there were geonosians that were not millitaraly involved, so they are civillians.

If I had to guess, there were probably nimodeans on the ships. We saw them crewed by them during episode 1. I don't believe the Trade federation would've made them completely autonomous. The Jedi would be wary of killing them. They shouldn't, but they would.

well no the CIS still had more troops but the problem is that they weren't prepared for a attack so they weren't deployed in time and were mostly focused on getting them the fuck out instead of trying to deploy them

Plot armor.

Pretty sure munificents didn't exist in the CIS armament during the episode 2 timeline

Lil Colgate Vert The Banking Clan used them long before the Clone Wars to collect debts from various worlds.

Tactical Droid Again, pretty sure munificents didn't exist in the CIS armament during the episode 2 timeline

Lil Colgate Vert San Hill was at the meeting and he decided to bring Banking Clan hellfire droids so, it would be plausible for him to also bring in munificents.

BXOTROT ___ That's just sad.

Funny but you may need to be cautious

KininjaFX yeah I know, I lost my fourteen gallons of mustard I ordered from Pizza Hut by hurricane Harvey so I couldn’t stop thinking about pizza

Aniket Biswas your right, you may never expect when the Spanish Inquisition may appear

BXOTROT ___ I worry about you now.

Logan Smith *Watch those Risk Rockets*

they're sendin in the supers!!

Just like the simulations

For the Republic!

They just don't learn do they.

The republic also put Jedi who were peacekeepers as generals

On a Fighter to Fighter basis jedi were very deadly, sure, but against Lucrehulks and other Warships there isnt that much a jedi starfighter can do. Jedi are way more decisive on the Ground than they are in space i would argue.

3 out of 10,000...

Marcus Tullius Cicero they were parked at Kuat (property of KDY). It would take too long (negotiations and travel to the frontlines) to be used effectively at Geonosis

I though that was just the “pride of the core” or whatever not all the mandator 1 and 2’s at kuat

Darth Vader but you were once a Jedi

Darth Vader Damn Republic-sanctioned dogs.

Darth Vader Only a Sith deals an absolute

You started the war.

Darth Vader I'm not a rebel i'm a good friend of your boss, and he told me you didn't like the sand on Geonosis. By the way your son kissed your daughter.

Inquisitor Rhurick you mean how a good majority of them were deployed poorly and ended up getting killed?

Not Delta - oo-rah!

друг honestly that’s a better utilisation of the Jedi in general. They’re skilled warriors, but most of them were shit commanders, therefore organizing them into their own units is better than having them command the clones (actual trained soldiers.)

Nick Vinsable you don’t just “bolt on” the guns, warships are designed from the ground up to be a weapons platform.

I typed “Specifically Designed & Built Weapons” towards the end because that is what most likely would’ve happened, Stephen M. Stouter. And these Acclamators were built more like Transports rather than dedicated Battleships & Carriers.

William Dex geonosian drones aren’t even sentient, good luck trying to condemn that. Filthy bugs deserved what the empire did to them.

Yularen wins

Are you sure? They at least brought tanks and air suport

The jedi may not have been expert tacticians then but they are not dumb or over-confident of their abilities compared to their enemy.

I have to disagree. The republic at least used mixed-unit tactics even at the first invasion. And the second invasion did seem more planned out, if perhaps not properly prepared for given how thinly their resources were spread out, but that was a case of taking the whole planet rather than just the key cities and facilities that we saw with the capture of most other planets.

ChakatBlackstar, I agree.

ChakatBlackstar its called sarcasm

Commander Knight vong 100% it was seen in voyager that the Borg can’t adapt to organic weapons

Vong easy. They are basically Star Wars’ species 8472

But what if they could assimilate the vong?. They did it with species 8472 too. But they couldnt tell the rest of the collective in time.

That's not entirely true. They couldn't adapt to species 8472 because the biology was well outside anything the borg were familiar with. Borg Adaptation is not infallible, but it IS underestimated quite often. (the most common and self-evidently inane piece of reasoning being that borg are vulnerable to projectile weapons, based solely on what Picard did on the holodeck, even though prior evidence shows adaptation to a weapon takes somewhat longer than that scene took.) Problem with cross-universe comparisons is trying to establish a baseline for all the unknown factors. Some random things about star wars vs star trek in general: - How powerful are phasers & disruptors compared to turbolasers, etc? - Speed and limitations of Warp vs Hyperdrive. (notwithstanding weird niche things seen often in Star Trek that vastly exceed the regular speed scales) - Does an interdiction field work on warp drive? - Do star trek shields have any defensive value against star wars weaponry? - can a turbolaser track fast enough to hit even a 'large' star trek target like a galaxy class ship (or borg cube for that matter) - are fighters of any use against star trek ships. (see; Enterprise D destroying 6 fighter size targets in under 5 seconds.) - do star wars ray and particle shield protect against phasers, photons, distruptors and so on. Are they any more or less effective at this than the typical star wars weapons? - Does star wars shielding offer any protection whatsoever against transporters? There's an exceedingly long list of such things that you can come up with. Some of them are relatively easy to answer in a moderately objective manner. (warp vs hyperdrive for instance - hyperdrive wins by a landslide, but has some limitations that warp drive does not, though that offers little practical benefit to warp ships) Some are near impossible to answer meaningfully (eg. Transporters vs star wars shielding.) Some can be guessed at through secondary means, (turbolaser vs phaser firepower) but any such guess is subject to massive uncertainty. The list of such problems is so long it's almost impossible to properly compare such things without making a long list of relatively arbitrary assumptions. Even within a single universe you get questions like that though; - Eg. what are the limits of borg adaptation? - What are the Q incapable of doing? - is there a viable way to defeat the Krenim Temporal weapon that isn't basically a plot device/random luck? etc...

How to stop the Krenim temporal weapon: knock it back into temporal sink with the universe then ram it.

MC takes the victory and runs with it.

I think legends Boba would win (he went toe to toe with Vader) but just based on cannon Master Chief would win easily

Joshua Kielty Master Chief would beat legends boba fett

Master Chief, the man who wiped out an entire armada vs. Boba Fett, the man who got wiped out by a blind guy. Who will die....laughing at how bad Boba Fett gets his ass kicked?

Chief curbstomp

100% American Buffalo and Space Marines

Spartans>N7 but Spectors>Spartans Also Systems Alliance marines>UNSC Marines

100% American Buffalo all system alliance marines had augmentation equal to or better than odst's

they are like fighter aces in ww2, impressive but in the end doesent do much of a difference

True, but against the sheer numbers of the Separatists they can only do so much. Remember, Germany had the most and best aces in WW2, some of the most advanced fighters including the first jet fighters to be deployed in combat, but the Allies were the ones with the sheer numbers.

Not actually true Chakat. Germany had the best and most aces that is true. But the Allied Airforce was actually more advance for the entire war. The Spitfire was supreme in the battle of Britain despite being outnumbered and nothing could hold up against the P-51 Mustang. Even things like the famous Stuka were less effective then their counterparts like the IL-2. The difference is that in the early stages of the war, the Germans were just better trained with better tactics. Germany had the first jet fighter but the ME-262 which showed up very late in the war but thats one fighter at the very end that was not mass produced. Not really accurate to that Germany had the most advanced fighters in the war when its only 1 plane showing up for a few months. You want advance, Spitfire, P-51, B-17, B-29, IL-2, and ME-262 are all the planes you are looking for. And only 1 of those is German. Stuka is famous for pioneering tactics, not because it was more advance then its counter-parts

I'm just going to make the point that the superior fighter in the Battle of Britain was in fact the Hawker Hurricane, which was far more effective than the spitfire in that situation, as well as in other battles throughout the war.

GreaterHalo06 Boba Fett

Predator would tear bobas spine out

Predator

Yep. Also their was a space battle, but Im not sure if it took place during or after the battle in the Arena.