The Right Arm Secret Nobody Tells You About!

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The role of the right arm in the golf swing cannot be overstated. The great Ben Hogan has multiple images from his book in which he highlights the arms and the elbows which shows how important he thought they were.
I believe that the mechanics of the right arm have never truly been communicated to the golfing masses, and any attempt to communicate them has resulted in an explanation that is incomplete and, therefore, mostly ineffective.
If you struggle to retain the lag in your downswing (even though you’ve tried everything) and perpetually find yourself casting and flipping the club at impact, then this video will finally unlock the reason AND (more importantly) the solution for you!
The Stack&Tilt system codes the position and motion on the arms and wrists to allow a golfer to understand the full picture. In this video, I’ll help you understand the specific details of the trial arm and wrists allowing you to elevate your game to another level.
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@peterrivas08 Месяц назад

This might be worthy of golf video of the year. I love how far you took this video by going further into depth, not just with the elbow but what the hand is doing as well. So many other instructors only give you a partial amount of info. Tom saguto, who I watch also, really advocates the tucking of the right elbow as well. However, when I try it, I'm still playing army golf, left right left right lol. You and Tom are my favorite instructors. Thanks for this!!! Also, are you keeping that right elbow at 3 AND right hand wrist at 1 throughout the swing? At top of swing as well?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Hi Peter. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and for your kind words. In answer to your question, strictly speaking, I like the elbow to stay in 3 (ideally) but the forearm moves more towards position 2. However, I’ve found the sensation of keeping the 3&1 produces a great outcome for the majority of golfers.

@johnsadler8637 4 дня назад

I too have been watching Tom Saguto videos and have had some good success with the stack and tilt but still occasionally had that open face of the 2 and 3 positions of the hand. This explanation resonates well with me. I’ll see how the 3-1 positions do tomorrow.

@peterhadley2875 6 дней назад

Thank you. I’ve read 5 lessons three times. Nice to have your addendum. Your explanations are excellent. That smooth 7 iron at the end was the perfect punchline.

@sidneydunston Месяц назад

I had a lesson with Andy on Thursday and this just confirmed what we were working on. Implementing this 3/1 trail arm position allowed me to add 20 yards of carry distance, on line, and as you stated, effortlessly. Great lesson Rob.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

That’s awesome! Nice job! 💪🏻 #gridlife

@raymondville Месяц назад

Best golf instructor around

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Very kind! Thank you 🙏🏻

@PawelSiczek Месяц назад

Back to back 80's rounds for the first time since my first lesson with @robcheney , I agree!

@waynea7703 Месяц назад

This missing lesson/link is huge. You explained it beautifully; it works. Well done, thank you.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Glad it was helpful!

@decoratingelements7748 Месяц назад

great lesson..i try to feel my trail shoulder point to the sky instead of lead shoulder point down and that helps keep the trail arm tucked...thats 90% pure shots so just have to get the other 10% dialled in

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Nice idea! I like it 👌🏻

@Criscross292 Месяц назад

I’ve read Hogan’s 5 Lessons so many times and never made that simple connection- The wrists can rotate independently from the tucked Elbow.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

I hope you found the video helpful 🙏🏻

@DavidHintonjoytolive Месяц назад

That picture of Hogan and his take on the grip caused 65 years worth of slicers!

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

I think you might be right!

@sollyd123 4 дня назад

Hogan fought a hook. His method works to stop the hook but causes the slice LOL

@7empest-om3fy Месяц назад

You’re the man!!!! Thanks Rob, you are so good at what you do helping us get better. You are so good at explaining things, actually the best!

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thank you!

@jeffreylevine4076 3 дня назад

Very clear explanations supported with visuals.

@Fullkornsglass Месяц назад

Your way of explain the details in the golf swing is matched by no one, Rob.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thank you 🙏🏻

@andrewgudgeonobe2721 Месяц назад

This is one of the few videos I have saved

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thanks for watching, Andrew! 👍🏻

@barryedwards3402 9 дней назад

Very very helpful. Best information I have received. Thanks.

@robcheneygolf1 8 дней назад

Glad it was helpful!

@michaelellis1263 17 дней назад

think your videos are some if not the best videos ive watched.

@robcheneygolf1 17 дней назад

Thank you, Michael. That’s very kind of you to say so! 🙏🏻

@user-yj3gx4wj8d 10 дней назад

So well explained! Great drills!

@stephenpole4260 Месяц назад

Makes it so simple doesn't he and this actually works like everything you have to work on it. Absolutely fantastic golf instruction

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thanks! Appreciate the feedback and kind words! 👍🏻🙏🏻

@SuperDakiz Месяц назад

The most amazing description of one of Hogans secrets! Thanks.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Allabertina 13 дней назад

I'm a retired with experience in instructional design (ie how to present material in a digestible manner). You're the only golf instructor/teacher that constructs a golf lesson well. Congrats.

@robcheneygolf1 13 дней назад

Very kind of you to say so! 🙏🏻

@scottbrooks7339 13 дней назад

Hey Rob, I just wanted to say that your videos have been a tremendous help to my golf swing. I used to play quite regularly as a teenager. I always struggled with my swing and ball contact. I have not been on the course for these reasons since the 90’s. I can say after watching countless videos you have explained the wrist hinge unequivocally better than anyone else. Thank you.

@robcheneygolf1 13 дней назад

That’s very kind, Scott. Happy to hear that the videos are helping you! 👍🏻

@Jazzman5001 Месяц назад

Thanks Rob. You have an incredible knack for sensing the questions we’d be asking while watching - and then answering them in your next sentence!

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

We aim to exceed expectations! 😎

@billbeil2395 Месяц назад

So,so good!!

@arthurkingsley3865 8 дней назад

It really made sense to me. Thank You Very Very much. 😊

@robcheneygolf1 8 дней назад

You are so welcome

@SonnyBernales-h7s 12 дней назад

wow, this is the part I was missing. Thank you Rob.

@johnnyparker9928 25 дней назад

Very clear and important fundamental of a desirable golf swing, thanks for sharing.

@OscarGonzalez-vg3cp 15 дней назад

Thanks, very good golf lesson.

@robcheneygolf1 14 дней назад

Thank you, Oscar! 👍🏻

@simondolph2559 9 дней назад

That picture of Hogan's trail arm has confused me for a long time. It just ended up with me slicing. Having just seen your video you have now supplied the missing piece. I can't wait to get out on the course and try it. I have just come across you and watched two videos. You break things down and explain them more simply than most RU-vid instructors. Thanks.

@robcheneygolf1 8 дней назад

Happy to help, Simon! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@RobertMiller-sh7gb Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing this nuances in the golf swing. Very helpful.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thanks you for watching, Robert! 👍🏻

@albalatbat7582 Месяц назад

Great instructions Rob and thanks for sharing this video.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thanks for watching! I’m happy the video was helpful for you! 👍🏻

@DJ33 Месяц назад

Thanks great vid.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thanks, Paul!

@thomasroughton5345 Месяц назад

Great lesson many thanks Tom 👍

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Glad you enjoyed it, Tom!

@ryanpeterson1918 29 дней назад

Great information. I’ve been trying to learn stack and tilt from various RU-vid videos. My swing is much improved but I still lose some shots to a tendency to slice. Between this video and your instruction on hitting driver I think I’m finally putting the pieces together.

@CRCCPastor Месяц назад

Wow. Excellent is all I can say!

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Glad you like it!

@lloydkomori8806 13 дней назад

Well done Rob. A true revelation in golf instruction. I cannot wait to get to the range once I recover from serious wrist injury. Thank you

@russquick7899 Месяц назад

Good morning Rob-Your lessons are so explicitly powerful that I always learn something. Will watch repeatedly. Stay safe my friend-Russ

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Much appreciated! 👌🏻

@johnnyhershberger6294 9 дней назад

Great video! Thank you!

@robcheneygolf1 8 дней назад

Glad you liked it!

@TheClassic1976 Месяц назад

Expert advice!! Such a good video.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Glad it was so helpful!

@adrianpriddey5690 12 дней назад

Excellent content, could you do some instruction with regards correct release , especially with driver , I have a tendency to hold off the driver for some reason but not my irons ! Thanks

@tp0376 Месяц назад

Good lesson. If it’s not tough this way by many instructors , it makes me wonder if many great players just stumbled upon this by accident and do this without even knowing

@jd.schultz-qh1ui Месяц назад

Thanks Rob, I had seen this before, it was good reminder of what I had forgotten. I think it was Bryson who was the first to open my mind up internal and external at the same time. Thanks once again really enjoy your stuff.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Happy to hear the video was a good reminder for you! 👍🏻

@samdevictor7153 Месяц назад

Great lesson, Cowan agrees

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thanks, Sam! 👍🏻

@stephenchappell4953 9 дней назад

Thanks!

@robcheneygolf1 8 дней назад

Thank you!!! 👍🏻

@johnharrington6122 Месяц назад

Rob , I have always believed that somehow his right arm was connected to his right hip on the forward swing and that’s why he was so big on the hips starting forward ! John

@stephenchappell4953 13 дней назад

Please do a video on lead arm setup !

@user-qc7gy3kd7l 10 дней назад

As you pointed out, that's the missing part of my swing. I practiced in the house as it felt "unnatural" at the range. After a couple of practice days in the home. I went back to the range and did a lot better. Thank you!

@stevenvig927 Месяц назад

clockwise rotation of the right humerus... counterclock rotation of the forearm... while keeping the right wrist bent back to and through impact.... there is also some extension at the right elbow as you approach impact.... this was a great video

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thank you, Steven!

@scottytravis3503 Месяц назад

Wonderful explanation of the rust and arm

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thank you! 🙏🏻

@scottytravis3503 Месяц назад

Sorry I meant wrist and arm

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

@@scottytravis3503 👍🏻

@marcodioguardi6426 Месяц назад

Thanks for this tip. It’s really making great changes in my swing. I was not able to draw the ball, now ball get compression m, distance and draw

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Glad it was so helpful! 👍🏻

@warwickgee809 Месяц назад

Another great video and explanation. Strangely, I find maintaining the 3 and 1 rear arm structure easy to do with the bowler drill (rear foot back) however, considerably more difficult with the normal setup.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Sounds like a great reason to stick with the “bowler” stance! 👌🏻

@richiep1976 Месяц назад

That is pure gold! Feels absolutely amazing and so easy to replicate. Does this also work with Driver?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Of course! 💪🏻

@Jazzman5001 27 дней назад

Rob this video is gold. This tip reduced so many variables in my swing. Tried it with my driver as well and good strikes were automatic. My arms used to be reaching outward at impact, but if my right elbow stays connected it’s impossible to reach now. I still have some issues, but this makes it one less thing to think about. Thanks!

@robcheneygolf1 26 дней назад

That’s amazing! Glad the video was helpful! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@LarryZack-tb4uu 7 дней назад

This is a great informative video lesson. Would you say that the trail elbow will separate as the back swing gets longer? Or should it stay attached? Would that be too restricted? Thank you, Larry Z

@ilanmosery Месяц назад

I love this lesson and was wondering if the same applies to a driver?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Yes, sir. Absolutely! 👍🏻

@sjn456 21 день назад

Thanks for posting. I tried the golf glove under my right arm drill and I’m already keeping my elbow tucked. Closing the wrists and leaving the elbows open tip helps that you mentioned. On thing Im working on now is squeezing my forearms together. Which seems to help with distance especially at impact. I did notice on the range most golfers right elbow is not tucked though. So this video should be very helpful. Not sure when I learned to tuck my right elbow. My dad may have told me to do this when I was a kid. I have others golfers comment my swing is cramped though. If I try to increase my backswing distance to reduce the cramped swing I find it much harder to hit consistently but it does go farther with a fuller backswing.

@robcheneygolf1 19 дней назад

Glad it helped. The correct right arm position is very much an overlooked/misunderstood part of the golf set-up and golf swing.

@tonyferro2496 11 дней назад

I was taught to keep the right arm attached to my chest, but then was told that I'm losing distance and I should let it open for more power. I.e. let the golf glove fall out near the top of the backswing. Thoughts? Love your videos. Thank you so much!

@mntlblok Месяц назад

Always looking for such "asymptotes" up against which to "lean". After seeing the right hand grip change that I'd need, I now see why none of my experimentation had seriously explored this one. Surgery has left me with zero right wrist "extension" ability. Don't think the "pencil grip" will yield satisfying shot length, but a little further fiddling suggests that limiting the right hand grip to the distal segments of the ring and middle fingers might be made to substitute in gaining that orientation, whilst still possibly leaving a bit of "hit" capability. Shall test soon. (Still some questions about when and why that right elbow is meant to fully straighten out in the swing. Suspect that the ability to leave some "shaft lean" at impact comes into play with that. Likely beyond my capability/concern). BTW, had explored this area a bit and had noted that this 3/1 setup is at a "maximum" or "extreme" as long as the elbow remains adjacent to the torso, but if the arm is extended from there, one may proceed to 2/0, if not 1/-1 - without any further turning of the forearm segment. 🙂 I believe that to be where duck hooks reside. . .

@larrywoodruff7024 Месяц назад

Rob I have this problem all the time

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Hey, Larry! We’re working on this right now. I just sent your Skillest lesson videos back to you! 👍🏻

@chrissmall1246 Месяц назад

I started learning to play golf after reading Ben Hogans 5 swing lessons. I have been in a slump lately but last round found something. By keeping my elbow down and in mire my contact improved dramatically. I will really focus on this at the range tomorrow as I think it is the biggest thing missing from ny swing. It also helps my hip movement through the ball

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Nice one, Chris! 👍🏻

@chrissmall1246 Месяц назад

@@robcheneygolf1 Just returned from the range. It feels awkward because the lead arm straight pushes my lead shoulder back a bit so the set up feels strange but...I was hitting them down the middle and my 6 iron was rolling out to about 175 yards on my well struck shots. My 6 iron is normally my 140-150 club so a noticable difference. After so many years I just have to get used to the uncomfortable feeling and make it comfortable. Didn't work so well with the driver though.. seemed to be bottoming out more often. Anyway, thanks, you explain the technique very well. It will make a difference with my irons for sure...much straighter and consistent. Cheers!

@sanjayverma4068 Месяц назад

Hi Rob, I tried tucking the right elbow into the chest, and the problem I had was that my back swing was going too inside. Any suggestions to keep the back swing on plane ? Thanks a lot for posting such awesome instructions and insights. Best regards Sanjay

@sportsbesthighlightschanne1052 20 дней назад

Rob, great explanation, when you have get a chance, can you comment on this video @ 4:29, it seems like Milo is turning the other way, I am not understanding it. Thanks

@timallen1262 Месяц назад

Thank You for this video, I have been working on this exact thing. One problem I have, I have been hitting a lot of shots on the toe, any advice? TIA!!

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Hi Tim. Hard to pinpoint without seeing your swing. If you’re videoing yourself, you can check to see if you’re standing up before impact? If you like to send me your swings for full analysis, you can find me on the Skillest app. 👍🏻

@PawelSiczek Месяц назад

100%, drawing on command with my irons now (almost 😂) at least enough I can plan for it

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Love it, Pawal! Great to hear you've improved so much since our online lesson.

@HoodieMarce Месяц назад

Hey rob, great video once again! I have been working on trying to get my downswing on the proper path however I can’t help but to slightly steepen the shaft at the start of the downswing despite having a desirable takeaway and top of backswing position. What is this attributed to? I have tried keeping my elbows glued together and maintaining the wrist angles however the steepening keeps occurring. Interested in hearing what you think about this. Thank you for all the great insight coach!

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Hey, Marcel. It’s difficult to say without seeing your swing on video. The things you say you’re doing should be keeping the shaft shallower, so clearly there’s something going on that you’re not aware of. If you’d like to send me your swings for analysis, you can find me on Skillest.

@markcalovich3881 8 дней назад

What about left arm and elbow set up? As to supination.

@robcheneygolf1 8 дней назад

I’ll try and cover that in another video

@yancoesens302 Месяц назад

Hi Rob, love your program, is there any certified instructor in South Africa? I watched a video with Gonzalo at San Roque, he explained the hand position 2.2,3,1 is that a part of the stack and tilt system or is it something he added personally I live on the St Francis Links currently number 3 in SA, and would love to organize a stack and tilt seminar for our members (we could extend it yo other courses in SA), any ideas?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

I’d love to talk more about this. Can you email me? rob@robcheneygolf.com

@AndrewDCDrummond Месяц назад

Hogans prescribed setup had the elbows pointing at the hips, so the trail elbow is not quite as tucked in as that. Had thought the book said that it was but that he didn’t in reality do that as much, but checking the book shows not. Going into impact it was as turned as that though, more than most people manage and also this seems to be the common point area between him and Moe Norman.

@lessmith5285 Месяц назад

Great explanation, thank you! If you don’t get the forearm to position one, would the miss just hang out and not draw? (Generally speaking)

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Thanks, Les. Yes, you're exactly correct! 👍🏻

@davidpeel3803 Месяц назад

Hello rob, Can I use the tucked elbow with a driver or fairway woods

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Yes, David. Absolutely! 👍🏻

@randykinkade1940 7 дней назад

Rob, you did not mention the trail arm flying wedge. Was this on purpose? Is that a separate issue or is the wrist position 1 the same as presetting the flying wedge? Thank you as always. Randy

@Chris_Traynor Месяц назад

Very helpful explanation! I am just wondering what the sensation might be for someone who has been too internally rotated previously? Because they have been using elbow and shoulder to square the face previously instead of the forearm and hands.🤔 Would they likely have to feel they are twisting the shaft and roll releasing with the hands excessively to offset their previous tendency and ensure that they don't just keep leaving the face open and shank everything? Or should we be doing the Hogan side-arm throw? feel and just being strict about our connected trail elbow until we hit a few good ones?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Great question, Chris. You’re correct regarding the “twist” of the shaft to close the face relative to what your old pattern would have looked like.

@Chris_Traynor Месяц назад

@@robcheneygolf1 Thanks I'll be having a crack at this as I lost my strike a bit recently.

@johnhurley3057 7 дней назад

💡

@t.keepthewordkeephopealive6499 Месяц назад

It’s in the Book , picture of the arms are rope together movement in the Golfswing

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Yes. Arms (elbows) together. Agreed. Nothing about the forearm/wrist which influences club face.

@stephenchappell4953 10 дней назад

Is your trail arm resting on your ribs at setup ? Or is it off your body at set up? Some videos your trail arm is off and some on !

@rickrocketts183 Месяц назад

I’ve definitely found success keeping that trail elbow glued to the rib cage. Why do most pros have some space between their body and trail elbow at the top of the backswing? Is their first move to tuck it back to the body, and that little extra move creates a little more speed?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Yes, they are “re-attaching” the elbow in the transition. That’s the movement into the external rotation I was referring to. Many people struggle to find that movement, so getting the shoulder into external rotation at set-up (and trying to keep it there) is often more effective for the masses.

@rickrocketts183 Месяц назад

@@robcheneygolf1⁠that makes perfect sense then. Basically makes golf easier even though you don’t quite hit your full potential. But at least you can enjoy a round of golf!

@docriley7837 Месяц назад

So......whip your trail forearm parallel to the ground around your body? If so, when should my weight shift take place or will it be more of a natural transfer of weight?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

No weight shift required if you start with it left and keep it there - Best Swing For Perfect Contact! The Wrench 🔧 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-x4b5eCC623A.html

@docriley7837 Месяц назад

@@robcheneygolf1 awesome thanks, I played well with that in mind last weekend. Subbed.

@ElvisPriscillaPresley Месяц назад

Read his book if you want to perfect the slice.

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

☝🏻

@jeremiahmclane2374 Месяц назад

What if you have poor shoulder mobility and can't get the elbow quite in front of your body as you do?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

That’s a valid question. You can work on your poor shoulder mobility to improve it (stretching etc), but if the range is still limited, I would then work with the player to find a compromise of alignments that allow for functional club face, without sacrificing radius/low-point control too much.

@stephenchappell4953 18 дней назад

How about the lead arm setup, . Arm and hand position 1-3

@robcheneygolf1 17 дней назад

My preference is 2-2

@stephenchappell4953 13 дней назад

Thanks , could you do video on that , doing both arms at set up

@robcheneygolf1 12 дней назад

@@stephenchappell4953 yes, one day… it’s on the list 👍🏻

@leeski152 Месяц назад

Just to be clear this is a drill to familiarize the feel of tucking the elbow in the downswing and not how you are advocating that someone actually swing all the time never letting the elbow leave the side correct?

@user-tx6ds6yd5d 10 дней назад

Rob this is the second video I watched of yours .After watching the first one this morning I went out had a game and had 11 pars which I haven't managed for the last 4 months. Never seen anyone before teaching the way you do,I'm impressed

@joseserranosuner 11 дней назад

As Hogan put it sidearm under.

@JeremiahAlphonsus 18 дней назад

I wonder if Hogan intentionally withheld some of his secrets.

@t.keepthewordkeephopealive6499 Месяц назад

Remember Hogan didn’t keep anything from you in the lesson. Elbows together in the swing

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

That’s the whole point of this video. You can have the elbows together (which is a good thing) with the face oriented in multiple different ways. That’s the reason so many struggle with this move - they don’t know how to orient the face correctly.

@ou7nats21 Месяц назад

Is This A Serious Video ? My God i learned the Hogan Trail Arm Swing an twisting or rotating the hand and arm were immediatly understood ....So where are people taught to leave the hands up or thw keep the face wide open?

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

Based on the other comments, it would seem you’re in the minority. Not as clear or obvious as you found it.

@ou7nats21 Месяц назад

@@robcheneygolf1 Yea i learned from “Danny Maid ft. Pete Cowan He emphasized the right arm and hand twisting down putting the club face on the back of the ball .. I hit perfectly straight shots

@robcheneygolf1 Месяц назад

@@ou7nats21 Danny’s channel is great! 👍🏻