player who buy the bonds are the ones responsible for price raising, ie. 3 people list at 100m buy buyer have for 120m insta buy or short buy making price become inflated. or go up ge works on a sliding scale so highest bidder gets first then cascade to lower n lower. so solution is to buy bonds with real money and sell back to ge at 100m will insta lower price within a week. must be 1000s of bonds though to make a impact
I used to pay for membership through bonds when they were only 7mil, I used to earn 1m a day and then use the rest of the remaining days to use my membership for free. I can’t remember when the bonds were lower than 10m, those were the good days 🤣
Gear prices being bottom due to necro just being cheap and good. People aren't buying bonds to sell, they don't need to. People are still buying bonds on g.e for members time, and the low supply and high demand is just driving it higher and higher. The meta is stale, there's no point investing in melee, mage and range (12b+) just to be competitive with necro that is 1.5b
I just cashed out my rasial dupes on my Ironman to buy bonds on my main to transfer back to the iron. I bought a few for around 125m each slow buy, but then they started coming in at 123m, 120m. I ended up buying around 50 bonds and progressively was able to buy them lower and lower with patience. Yes I had a lot of rasial dupes lol. 3.2k kc and still missing crown. 6 weapon sets and 23 armor pieces.
That or just pay the small amount of money it takes to be a member. I've never understood the people that refuse to pay anything to play the game. I get not paying to win or buy your gold with bonds, that's being lazy. But saying you refuse to pay a small ass membership fee is absurd. That or get the premium membership for an entire year, its even cheaper if you get it there. My guess those people are just cheap or unemployed, no other excuse for it.
so you dont care about the other players that dont make that. You dont have a mind or thought about how that affects the community that makes you that? I know you also insta buy all your stuff for pots and all that too. Do you want to be hand making all that too? thats what this would result in.
my bigest sugesstion would be - DONT USE BONDS FOR KEYS... that pushes bond prices up a lot and it is not worth to spend 130m for 14keys to get Combat training dummies.. if you want to take advantage of good TH promos, is to - Save up keys... you can store Up to 100 keys in Th which are gotten by Doing Dailies, quests, daily Log-ins and from boss/mob kills.. and 14 keys dosent get you enough BXP in a skill via Stars.. i think Keys is the biggest waste of bonds because they released a new cosmetic... and chances to get that ''rare'' walk token or smth dosent pay up .. with thosee 0.001% chances..
The bonds are so high because the supply is very low compared to the demand. There are fewer people buying them with irl money and selling them and then the prices go up. The TH addicted players buy keys directly with real money
I think the main reason why in game gear is crashing while bonds are skyrocketing is that people are using rs3 gp to member up their osrs accounts. I myself am doing this so ill admit theres bias there but I know a lot of other end game rs3 players have been doing the same thing.
Yeah 10m Osrs is far easier to get than 130m rs3. 3 hours of revs can make you a bond on Osrs but trying to make 45m per hour is pretty end game for rs3
@@hercules5546what?! I’m not even passed the 1500 level struggling to make even a mil an hour in osrs… meanwhile in rs3 I can make incense sticks, necro runecrafting, I can get around 2 zuk runs an hour, 2 minute rasial kills, and 7 minutes on a sub 100 enrage zammy which each can make tons of gp and even croseus mass worlds was making me like 60 mil an hour with the tier 3 troves
Yeah I bought like 6 months with bonds back in December for like 80m each and they running out end of this month. And I just think with in-game prices being so bad it might be time for a break... Quality of game has fizzled out, just seems jagex need to look at capping the price of bonds realistically.
Capping them could definitely be a good shout tbh, but I don't think they would. Higher means more sales and also players would likely go ape about them "manipulating prices" even if it was to stop them going up.
@@InitYeah I dont agree bonds were put in a sceme to cause it to be double the price for ingame play to have membership or idealy. though, capping that price will keep those sales going as right now that will cause less people to be buying the bonds for what they were designed for in the first place.
Why would the cap the price? If the price is going up, it means the lower price wasn't enticing enough for people to pay real money. If they cap it, that just means there is no bond supply.
@@evergreenblossom they are not hurting for money your talking about a multi billion dollar profit company they made plenty before now they just attached more stuff to it ruining the point of the bond for membership now its for everything else making its purpose of being put in usless...thats why it needs to be capped
I hope they come down a bit, I pay for mine and my father's memberships exclusively through my boss killing and specifically right now, Arch Glacor 1 mechanic NM. I can still handle it for now but if they start increasing much more this might become a REALLY big problem.
that seems right to me. I recently switched over to osrs again because I play rs3 in morning times in america and theres like less than 12,000 people online thats adds up every world
Less player = less bonds coming into the game. But less player = less demand for bonds. So bonds are suppost to stay on the same price ish. You did it like this for gear but you do it in reverse for bonds... If we realy want to do this then jagex needs to give us the info to do it.
@@jensv874 This would be true if RS3 bonds weren't directly tied to OSRS bonds. There's a demand to play OSRS, player count has risen there for the past year and its continuing to trend upwards so the demand for RS3 bonds remains the same they're just not being used on RS3 as much.
@@jensv874 also, it's entirely possible that out of the total players leaving the game, most of them are players that pay for membership with real money, but bought bonds for the MTX. As they leave, they would impact the bond economy in the way we are seeing, whilst also impacting the PVM sceme.
ive been buying bonds like no tomorrow, great investment with the way things are going. TBH, if more people paid in irl money there would be more supply and it's showing the price in irl is too much per bond
I have been following you for some time! I can not say how much I appreciate seeing some one well known in the community saying bonds are not realistic any more for membership. I believe that 70m was pushing it and stoped activly playing once they hit over 40m. It took away the fun for me. I liked to grind skills for gp and that is not good income for the rates. I loved doing div. I would div a hour or two then do what I wanted and I was good to go. I would have enough to slowly upgrade gear and all that too. Now the price is to the point that its not even possible for people like me to enjoy the game any more through bonds. I also suck at pvm so its never really been a option for me. I love the comment make a seperate token for membership. I think that would be the best turn out and hard cap its price at 70m so that it can go down and up for flipping but never over a unrealistic rate for people to enjoy the game.
Jagex should rethink how runescape operates in 2024, many free mmos that don't force players to pay a monthly sub but still have other MTX, since runescape has keys, solomon, bonds, battle passes, plus membership, jagex should simply rework membership. Give players access to all content but maybe limit bank space, loyalty points, and daily keys.
in my opinion. If your account can't upkeep a bond then you don't need a bond. If you can't afford membership. gaming shouldn't be a priority at all. ( life sucks sometimes i know.) To up keep a bond all one needs is 80 in a combat stat with 80 def and 85 dungeoneering to do frosts as a decent method. kill 500 to 1k a day for 14 days takes anywhere from 2 to 4hrs at the 500 a day option you will make 168m in 14 days and if you can do 1k a day that is 336mil every 14 days. ( these numbers are just a rough estimation and not actual ) with those numbers however you make more then enough to get a bond right now. plus you can do all the other side methods on top of that. use left over gp for skills or better gear.
I have been saying since long before bonds hit 50m gp that they are an accurate measure of the health of the game. Fewer new players wanting to buy bonds to advance their accounts mean less supply, along with a veteran population most of whom have all if not most 120/200m all so have no need of extra cash for supplies. Add to this that same veteran population actively avoids paying irl cash for anything in the game, including premier membership and you have the perfect storm. The current bond price is just a measure of a declining population and I would expect it to get worse faster as people who have previously been sustaining membership with bonds (most of whom can't afford irl cash) are pushed out of the game because of the current stratospheric and ever-increasing bond price. I said all this on Reddit a few years ago, and I predicted this exact scenario of ever-increasing prices as the player base declines. This is one of those times when I heartily wish I was wrong.
Im surprised you didn't touch on 1 key thing- a single rasial weapon drop pays for either 1 month or 6 weeks of membership with bonds. Zammy 100%+ enrage is also easier than ever with necro and ROD. Even though necro crashed prices for the other styles 6 months ago, accessibility to end game pvm money makers caused gp to be more available than ever.
@@ALISHISNOIUS Depends on the person, but for instance if you use bonds for membership you are less likely to continue playing because of the sheer time investment.
@@christianbarrett3040 Ooooh I see that makes sense I didn't think so many people used them to pay for membership I always figured people bought them for xp or promotions! That makes way more sense now ty and that is rough for anyone who needs them for membership 130m for 14 days is outrageous
The biggest scam in this game is some sh*tty a** hat that has 0 stats and doesn’t even look good 😂 a log has more value than all of those hats put together! People actually RENT that for 10mil a day! I thought it was some sort of ingame joke or something (I’m a new player) but NO! People buy that crapu for 60bil!!!! Hahahhahaha
Init, I think it would be a cool little series. You could train a skill for 10 hours max efficiency. Then PVM for 10 hours and buy bonds and see which is better exp an hour. You could call it Man VS MTX. Or something along those lines. I would watch that. Could stream the PVM build up hype then release a video. The reason I say a series is because there are so many different skills and bosses combinations.
Lol, what you waiting for? Rs3 is not gonna get better.... I did what you said months ago and I am jsut waiting for brighter shores to release. Im watching movies and stuff to fill up the space. And I have started to do some real life farming.
Jagex love Bonds going up because they think by them going up in GP value, more people will buy them with real money. In reality gold selling websites make the biggest sales because people will RWT for cheap GP and then buy bonds on the GEX for membership with the cheap GP.
Bonds are rising because theres a huge market now for the 14 day membership passcodes on the black market for 07 botters, safer than trading gp to new accounts and with the 07->rs3 exchange rate its a great option for sellers and botters
Yeah it sucks for f2p players but, i'm maxed i played tousands of hours to do 100 mil a hour pvm. For me it's a bit more then a hour but, i damn deserve that. Let them grind like me before they can do shit.
There's no way I will touch bonds at that price, I luckily have a store of them that will buy me membership for a few years. Unfortunately these insane prices are mostly going to affect new players trying membership and will even push some players out of the game. I really have to wonder if jagex is doing something so people will buy bonds with irl money to get gp in game!
Yeah, I don't play this game anymore because the market is so nonsense. When the hween masks went from 60m~ to 800m+ I made a killing and the game stopped making any sense and lost all of its fun for me
I think bond prices are rising because people are quitting. Its THE long term investment vehicle, so people are quitting, cashing out gear, and buying bonds.
No need to talk about it... PLayers + a vast majority of the % are bots.. The bots need to be banned... Bring back bottany bay on both servers osrs & Eoc Like and support my comment
for the last multiple months youtubers been swapping gold from osrs to rs3 for people since rs3 bonds were "cheaper". ever since the push for that started bonds on rs3 started going up. correlation not causation but like.. seems like it to me.
A 700 mil drop is worth 50 mil in osrs… meanwhile there are multiple drops in osrs that are worth over a billion in osrs gp lol, that’s like 20x worth the highest drop in rs3
Nah it's going to be a 2 hr stream of them showing the new rex matriarch coming and probably some short super quest and new mtx that have new training dummies and proteans
@@drewgray4353 yes it was I'm actually surprised there adding more then I was expecting I would of preferred a crafting and fletching rework like adding a magic and range version of the masterwork armor and the spear of annihilation I think it would of been a little better then another smithing and mining update
bonds can be used as a measurement of peoples faith in jagex too, if people aren't confident or happy with the sate of the game then less will be purchased from card swipes. Although jagex are pushing th promos that require a lot of spins I believe with how the game has been going with the seasonal / non perm content a lot of players have left for osrs or quit including a lot of whales which means buying less bonds. It's all for sure different issues that have stacked up and this is the mess we are left in. not sure how things are gonna go I guess it'll depend on the roadmap stream next week, but i'm not all that hopeful.
To me all high level gear is dropping because we have a fourth combat style. If you look it dropped the cost of all high end pvm gear by on average 25%. As for the cost of bonds I think it has more to do with fewer active players and treasure hunter promos. Bonds on OSRS are also up at all time highs almost at 13m. Jagex recently increased the cost of bonds which i think has lead to fewer people buying them for both games.
I'm thinking in some way the dead period of the game has something to do with it too. Players leaving or taking an extended break equals less bonds in the game so they will be more expensive.
@@jensv874 That's the key word, atm. A low number doesn't indicate quitting, never comming back, ever. New content has been on a drip feed for a while. Once it picks up they'll be back if it good and impactful.
This makes me wish I had bought my gear later on than when I did. I bought my SGB at 2b, its about 1b now, and bought my Magma Tempest at 800m....my gp wallet is screaming at me lol.
Lets be honest, Jagex doesnt give a damm about f2p, they havent in the last 5+ years, the last thing they did for f2p is to make fletching f2p skill (5 years ago) and making the kbd and green dragons f2p which was like 8+ years ago :D they literaly did nothing else i know of.... even osrs makes more content for f2p :D and for those thinking it doesnt make difference it does, when a new guy tries f2p to see if the game is good, and they see this shit they will leave....
@@InitYeah Yea, its sad... I love the game, even tho Im shit at pvm and cant even do like gwd3 i still enjoy it, hop on go some duo with fiend, some minigame ( even tho 99% of them are dead outside of weekly spotlite...) Idk... it just when i look at the game i cant imagine new guy coming from like world of warcraft where he uses like 8 spells + pots into RS3 where you have gear + potions + your healer & dps & tank at the same time + invention perks (which even after 15 years of rs i still dont get) + rotations with several condition based switches + summoning and scolls for summons + 10 other buffs etc.... I had a friend over who plays world of warcraft (wotlk mainly) and when he saw me with my 4 action bars, 5 items for switches he just went thats way too hardcore no way im even trying that, cant sink 1 year just to get to like mid lvl... not to mention milions / bilions for basic unlocks.... like just coruption shots + anima farming for salt in the would... like its weeks of either grind or crazy money making.... I have unlocks only in melee since its the style i like but when i see what i would need for magic to be good... like 800mil + FOR ABILITY!!! wtf....
I’ve been on a break near the end of October last year. Bonds were around 80m, now they’re over 100m !!? It’s ridiculous. It’s so sad for f2p. It’s never been worth to grind for a bond f2p for so long. You’re better off just buying 1-3 days with irl money and just grind a boss for drops and then buy bonds to upkeep membership
Think the avarage players left. And with the player base now consisting of higher lvl players that already have the gear they need and raking inn money left and right. The influx of items is greater than what is taken out of the game(with taxes, death costs and other) And those players that makes enough to buy a bond to sustain their membership(because some activities print gp) dont mind over bidding on bonds just so they dont need to wait. Lastly i leave you with this. I like taco's
I always buy 20 bonds for premier when I activate new premier. Last time I bought 20 for like 1b. They're now worth over 2b. I can't simply buy 2b worth of bonds now that I have to activate in the next week. Next year I guess I have to pay membership. if the game still exist lol
I think with so many players canceling their memberships and deciding to use in game money instead of irl money, this is why bond prices have skyrocketed. With the lack of content and so many end game players unhappy, it wouldn’t surprise me if people didn’t want to spend real money on the game when gp isn’t hard to come by
player who buy the bonds are the ones responsible for price raising, ie. 3 people list at 100m buy buyer have for 120m insta buy or short buy making price become inflated. or go up ge works on a sliding scale so highest bidder gets first then cascade to lower n lower. so solution is to buy bonds with real money and sell back to ge at 100m will insta lower price within a week. must be 1000s of bonds though to make a impact
The point about bonds having greater purchasing power is technically correct, but gear prices are falling because Necromancy is so strong and its gear is cheap. Less demand for bonds to buy BIS
As a whale... i buy bonds keys etc.. (incoming rage) i love the game... the worlds economy is gone to shit and my loans have gone up so much i dont have as much spare "play money" and runescape doesn't mean as much as date nights
I used to maintain buying the premier pack on my ironman just with duplicate boss drops items general collected items, but its getting more and more difficult to keep gaining the case. the general lack of good content is meaning im just afking exp, so even the general boss drops aren't coming in now.
Rasial is a pretty good boss to cover your bond cost. Any of the 7 big drops will pretty much cover the price. 1-2hrs and you should be done. My premier mem runs out next month and this will be my plan for bonds.
I've been saying Bonds were being used for keys for months, and it takes me explaining it but no one has disagreed with me. Keys for bonds matched with the crazy treasure hunter overrides means that some people who have the money to dump into bonds are going to do so instead of paying real cash, leading to demand and prices going up every event. It's crazy to see things like Gconc going for so little, when it used to be a 2 bond drop, and now you can't even get one despite how rare the drop is.
I was talking to someone today about this. He mention the ease of access and use of necromancy. A lot more people are pvming and doing higher teir pvm. That would lower the prices of drops while making things like bonds go up as GP is easier to get.
Exactly. The players set the price of items. If the community stands together and decides they aren't going to pay that much we can get the price down. Unfortunately the multiple merch clans also affect the prices
Who would miss out on currency to invest into their character? It's in the player's best interest to jack up the prices of items they already have and strong arm lower prices for stuff they need.
The long and the short of it is that bonds have too much demand and not enough supply, and the lack of content is leading to existing content being farmed into the ground further decreasing demand for bonds.
Looks to me that more players that buy bonds with irl left the game then players that use gp to buy bonds. Or maybe jagex is doing somthing. Or maybe even both. And this is just somthing they do to try and get more people to buy bonds again with irl. As they lost a lot of income? Well if its so and it dusnt work they prop start firing people in the near future and then we know.
This is so cringe, "I want a game but I don't want to pay for it" sorry, does not work that way. As a high level player I have always wounderd, and still wounder, how are bonds so cheap? I refuse to believe there are so many people using moms Credit card, I know many people me included who would pay 500m for a bond no questons asked lmao.
Lol, runescape player base has increased... And RS3 player base is at its lowest ever. Osrs player base increased. Rs3 is dying now more then ever before.
@@jensv874 bro stop dreaming i don't play both anymore, osrs is full of bots even some pvp youtubers can tell you that, rs3 is also down on players maybe better if theres a different game upcoming jagex failed us
@@johnspencer8982Well he made a random ass game in the past that he called runescape. But ima repeat my self here. I PERSONALY am waiting for brighter shores. No one promesed me it will be better not even Andrew him self. But he did promise no MTX ever. So ima try it out. Idc what you do.
