The Strange State of Ceratosaurus in the Isle Evrima Update 6.5 

I can’t believe that Cerato said “it’s Ceratoring time” and ceratored all over the place

Teno's 35 bite force only applies to the bite attack. The other attacks deal way more damage

I'd think that if a Cera's jaws can chew-up and devour BONE then their bite-force should reflect that. Make their bites FAR more powerful to compete more effectively! If they can eat just about anything and resist disease and infection then I'd think that they'd have a rather powerful "heal" rate. Perhaps it should be so good that they'll even heal significantly during combat - making them harder to take down... Maybe they just have a really tough hide...almost like an "armor"... Not sure why Carno bite is what it is. I was of the belief that the Carno bite (in reality) was fairly weak given how thin its jaw is... Just some thoughts I had...

dinosaurs with a stiffer skin deserve a new status: "defense". Like Deino with a hardened hide, Anky with bony plates and Cerato with hard skin. because that could act as a separate status from the life points to protect the animal from brute damage.

Another thing that's an issue is that both teno and carno can stun/knock down cerato with their Rmb attack and charge respectively. Its main part of their combat style for both; stun first with big attack and get a free hit in. Teno is just more defensive while carno is more offensive. Since cerato is meant to tanky or sturdy per-say, than perhaps give it resistance/immunity to being knocked down and stunned unless hit in the head or by a large enough creature. This would make it so that carnos and tenos can't work a free hit in as easily as with other dinos. Cerato's design seems to have a low center of gravity, so its far from unbelievable too.

The chuffing bonus I still think would almost fully complete its kit. If given a hp/dmg bonus around corpses it would embrace their role and help turn fights more in their favor that would usually be much harder to win.

They should give both deino and cerato a passive ability called 'armor'. It's only meant for playables that have some form of armor(in this case deino has osteoderms and cera has thick hide). To balance it out the armor only counts for the tail and body(since those parts are armored) so that they aren't completely invincible. The damage factor depends on how much armor the playable has.

I heard someone say that its food buff isn't in yet, so its not getting that tanky buff just yet, they do indeed need to buff its stamina and health, not so much its speed because its not suppose to be a hunter, but it also needs to be faster then the heavier tiers like Acro, Giga, Spino and Rex.

Alright so I might aswell state something. Cerato is not bad, just most players aren't used to it yet and are still somewhat learning it which they begun to learn now. Cerato tho not the most tankiest dino does have other aspects to make up for it: 1. it has a surprising offensive kit with access to three separate attacks with one fast but low damage bite and the others being heavy damage but slower attacks 2. it has a shit ton of stamina and good stam regen allowing it to outstam a ton of dinos, like carno and teno. 3. It's super agile so it can dodge and weave out of charges, kicks, and tail slams very easily(if your much more cautious) 4. And everything like high bleed resistance, bacteria bite, strong smell, good swimming and combat capabilities in the water, and able to eat anything still apply aswell. And finally let's talk about carno and teno: carno has gotten a good chunk of nerfs to not make it op such as slower run acceleration, slower turn speed, charge hitbox became smaller and uses a ton of stam now which makes carno rely alot of ambush but if a cerato dodges it then the carno waisted a ton of stam and note, you only need to dodge 3 charges before the carno seals its fate because cerato is actually able to easily brawl carno due to its surprising close range combat effectiveness with the multiple attacks and bacteria bite to basically stun lock dinos from attack Teno though might sound like it be the much more dangerous challenger also to can fall to a cerato through the art of endurance and failure of successful hits, if a cerato took its time and proceeded to Chase down while also dodging and making the teno miss attacks like the tail slam and kick, then you make them drain a bit of their stam as you run them down with your superior stamina and stam regen, their is also a strat where if a teno uses tail slam then you have a enough time to move to the head to bite it which is really good so yeah, and the speed rarely is a problem since your like 0.1 km/h less than a teno while also having far greater stam Now with that being said, I do feel like it's strange that cerato even tho it's stated to be a highly resistant animal proves to be just well not that is weird, I do feel cerato should obtain armor of sorts to make it a deadlier opponent to face just so it can better fill its intended niche

Tenontos 'bite force' is only 35. Its other attacks do far more damage than that.

I believe all Ceratosaurus needs is a higher bite force a timed bacteria ability meaning that the dinosaur doesn’t puke mid fight and higher stamina/health to be able to chase tenontos without getting tired quick

Possible solution to this could be add armor value to the dinos aswell and each animal beyond the health pool have an armor pool which means x % damage reduction. This could be applied on the body parts and each part have their own amount of armor could make it weak spots and strong spots where the animal can reduce the incoming damage most. Basically a system what we have in warframe once your shields depleted and your health remains then the armor comes alive and reducing the incoming damage. The main difference in Isle and Warframe is in warframe there are weapons and abilities to use against enemies in the Isle there is only the pure melee damage from the animals. I think this system could work in the Isle because there will not be anytime soon humans with weapons. I think each animal could have some kind of armor to be a bit more evasive and durable.

HOW BIG IS THIS CORNER I’ve been hearing it’s right around the corner since april

They just must add the damage mitigation it was supposed to have, like pachy does on the head

So teno might have a bite force of 35 but that's just it's bite not the kick or tailslam. The kick does 300 damage per body shot + stun and 450 damage per headshot + stun. And if you tailslam a cera you could delete it in 2or 3 kicks. Carnos charge does 300 damage per body shot + stun and does 450 damage + stun. Cera doesn't stand a chance unless they are in a group.

Very good video! I am confident that the whole bite force/HP/bleed system mechanic, etc. will constantly be adjusted, that happened on a regular basis in the Isle legacy version if you remember. For now the cerato definately has some disadvantage against ohter mid-tier dinos. Your solution proposals sound VERY legit! Hope the devs catch that up!

Cera being designed as a tank doesn't make much damage in retrospect. The largest ceratosaurus were are around 7 meters long between 452-980 kilograms. Carnotaurus, which is designed more like a glass cannon, was around 8 meters long and between 1,300-2,100 kilograms. How can you feasibly design cera to be tankier than an animal over twice it's size? If they wanted a tanky perdator they probably should've chosen a larger animal. IMO I think most of the problem lies with carno; how do you balance something that big and that fast with half the roster? The easiest way I can think of is not adding anything smaller than it so that while it is the fastest it is also the lightest, but that prevents a lot of neat animals from being in the roster. I think it's wise for any future games in this genre to not add carno (despite how cool it is) and to be very mindful of the real world sizes of the creatures they choose.

Ceratosaurus is defintly a dinosaur that I really question for Update 6.5 ngl, but overall this video really answers some of my questions about Evrima's Ceratosaurus in general But no doubt I might actually play this year, when am motivated. And I wish you are having a great day

Came here to say in the current stress test patch the bite force is now 200

Not tanky at all, exactly what I was thinking! Thank you for making this video and pointing it out.

whenever I think of the equation they use to calculate damage, I think back to all those wasp I've tried to kill by stepping on, and their near indestructible carapace as far as my shoe is concerned.

Tenontos might only have a bite force of 35, but they use kicks and their tail for attacks. That does more damage. Carnos are winning because they can just knock the Cerato down over and over.

It would be nice if the cerato gets a damage resistance buff of sorts across its body so it can properly tank, that chuff damage buff ive been hearing about would also be a good fit. Although considering its bite force and bacteria, that can be done without if the thing can be made to take a hit, as long as the chuffing isnt automatic mind you.

They should fix it by adding a health múltiples vs weight. Weight múltiples by 1.2 or 1.5 so health ranges somewhere near the 2ks. That way it's a viable choice against carno.

I think personally, cera is pretty close to being in a good spot right now. Though i do see how tenos can bully cera with stuns, bc it is smaller. But with timing and possibly a group it can be handled. Hell i was in a outnumbered fight with 2 carnos, and i still managed to beat the snot out of em before i went down. I think possibly bacteria could build up over time, for a set amount upon application and then some build up for tracking and catching animals off guard. And a corpse buff may be just that they are planning may help But it is fun

That the cerato in Legacy had a health of 2250 and a bit force of 250-300 and now in evirma you could compare it to a slow Utah. This is just depressing and sad.I hoped for a Dino that could fight a Stego

Stress tester here. Overall, cera is in a good place and could use a few tweaks. It is able to completely outstam much off the roster and having a speed close to most others, it can keep up and hunt them down, something it is not meant to really do. Instead, it should rely on its sense of smell and bacterial bite to scavenge and bully food from predators. With that said, cera could use a couple nerfs, notably to stamina capacity and even speed slightly. The larger the stamina capacity nerf, the less of a speed nerf would be needed. However, it could use a buff for its bacterial bite. I'd love to see more added to the effects of it, perhaps and increased stamina consumption, lowered damage, etc. Just ideas though. I might even get behind it having a stun reduction with enough convincing, making it unable to be knocked over by carno and teno. Also I'd like to note that a fair amount of videos will only showcase the positives or "over-powered" portions of a creature, perhaps even just what a creator wants their viewer to see. This leaves out important information. For example, if you make a dedicated video about galli, teno, or carno, you will want to showcase your victories, not failures. Just something to keep in mind. But overall, cera is in a good place besides those few little tweaks.

Oh my god, YES. First thing i thought is: they are NOT tanky and feel a small. Hopefully they tweak that a bit and make them heavier. Edit: They already buffed biteforce to 200 btw and ALT-bite does not take stamina

Cerato’s bite force should be way stronger then that if this thing is supposed to eat bones and rough stuff on a daily basis. Just look at how hyenas have way stronger jaws then lions despite being 3-4 times smaller

The longer u hold alt attack the more damage cerra does, also i have killed many carnos with this dino already, if you vomit them out and dehydrate them u just have to keep them busy until they die just weive and dodge as well as following them down if they run

i think the solution you established are the best to resolve this issue , i haven't played it so i can only trust you , maybe giving a speed debuff when the dino puke would be another alternative

in the stress test there is no the buff when it's close of a body but it's something devs talk about

the bite force should be higher than carno

Also not to mention I’have bit people multiple times without them even getting infected also I was almost fully grown but a juvenile carno took 3 hits from me and the charge bite hit box is a nightmare also being slow and Tanky is terrible for a carni because being slow and tanky wont make the same speed tackier herbivore fight and lose to me. What I’m saying is being tanky means no one has to fight you and the only things that would fight you such as carno is good at hurting slower targets plus raptors get to just run circles around you and tenos just do whatever they want

Adding damage mitigation on entire body except head sounds like the perfect idea in my opinion. Ceras then can be that tanky dino that can bully other carnivores from their kill/food. Ceras are meant to be a corpse bully, it has everything in its kit for a bully playstyle such as excellent scent, bacterial bites & can eat all types of food including bones.

It’s because it gets knocked down by carno and teno. If cerato just resisted knock downs and stuns it would change him completely.

7 months later and nothing has changed. I just started playing at Christmas and have mostly been picking Cera because I like its looks the most but I haven't really had a single good experience with it, yet. I thought, ok I'm new and still need to learn, but after learning more and more it just seems dumb how Cera is either just too slow or just not tanky at all. It just makes no sense...

My solution: makes the weight damage multiplier be nullified to ceras. Only the base damage would be applied. Either that, or make them resistant to stagger.

The devs explained cera as being able to if anything over power the carno and hinted at it multiple times for example them saying "just because you are bigger doesn't mean that you are the apex predator" (or something like that) hinting at cerato being over all a dinosaur to not mess with as a carno but almost anytime a carno sees a cerato they chase right after the cerato knowing that a cerato was currently weaker then a carno/The carno can over power the cerato. Either they need to buff the weight/health of the cerato a bit or atleast increase its defense against other dinos considering the fact that the devs also said that the cerato can take a few bites from dinosaurs larger then it or something close to that.

Its in stress test for about 1 week when will it release?????

Cerato should be a scavenger, he would look for carcasses and clam/defend them, hence tanky and slow, with more of a pritect this area play style rather than a traditional hunter.

I think they should just keep the weight the same and boost the health, exotically to dinos that are meant to be tanky for their size, for example, an armadillo is weak and could very easily be killed without its shell, however because of its shell it makes it very hard to kill because it can "tank" other animals and the reason for this is because they are small and weak, now if an armadillo was a giant hyper carnivore that ran fast and was stronger than most if not all animals in its area, it wouldn't need a shell to protect it against predators, this goes for cerato also, cerato is small, slow, and right now weak which doesn't make any since, however it would make since if it had more health (protection) because once again it is small and slow

Great video, always love your takes. I would just say it is a stress test and apparently they will be getting a buff mechanic when its doing the auto chuff over the body. This will give them more durability and damage. Also, I would say cerato is still cooler than carno :p so thats why I would choose it.

Cera damage got buffed to 200

thre actually is a solution already implemented...but for Trodons they are 60 kg max, but they have 120hp...so HP multiplier applied to them need same for ceras and problem solved...since this is already here, just needs to be applied

Imo Ceratos are Overplayed and Overpowered certainly not underperforming. Im a solo Carno player that started after 6.5 and this is what i've found. 1: Their stam is absolutely bonkers, allowing them to easily run down an adult carno's entire stam despite them being slower (If you dont lose them; and this is assuming that both the carno and Cerato has full stam). 2: Their alt bite doesn't use extra stam for some reason despite it doing more damage, being the only dino in the game that has this ability (unsure if the charged bite uses extra stam) 3: Their charged bite can not only 2-3 hit fill an entire adult Carno Stomach, but if they puke they are limited to a quarter stam, hunger, water, and their nutrition drops to 5% on every hexagon, so even if the dino gets away it is still very likely to starve or dehydrate and will be plagued with debuffs because of no nutrition. (lets not talk about puking more than once, the stats just get lower) 4: They can run and walk while holding their charge bite and unlike the pachy and carno this doesn't limit their turning speed despite it doing a whopping 345 dmg (which can 1 shot omnis or smaller dinos, something that even a carno charge can't do without extra bites) 5: An adult cerato has far too much HP. Despite being approx 3/4 or less of a carnos adult size (A fresh adult Carno at 75% growth can charge and knock over a full Adult Cerato) they can tank 2 full knockdown charges and 4 body bites WITH NO BODY from an adult carno (headshots do significantly more so if you knock one over bite its face) 6: Finally despite all of what was mentioned above, their growth rate is also insane, having just over an an hour to adulthood (its like and hour and 15ish mins now) with full nutrition is incredible, you would be looking at easily double that for a Carno with full nutrition. This is exasperated by the fact that Ceratos can eat both rotting bodies and BONES, which fill all nutrition slots, bacteria, and hunger. Their incredible stats for their size along with their debilitating attacks and debuffs accompanied by their insane growth has allowed them to take over evirma, they outclass Carnos in everything but raw stats (except dmg and stam; an adult cerato hits for 150, 200 on the alt, an incredible 345 on the charged bite, and has a significantly higher stam pool. Meanwhile an adult carno hits for 175 and while I don't know the multipliers for the charge because it doesn't instakill omnis; it is within reason to say that it is significantly less than the Cerato's alt bite multiplier) Also as a side comment I think their resilience was advertised because of the chuffing ability allowing up to 80% dmg reduction at stego or deino bodies, so you sniff for bodies then fight off whatever killed it or anything looking for a fight. Chuffing on a cerato body gives around 35-40% dmg reduction (this is based on testing done by me and my friend) And chuffing on an Adult Carno body gives around 55-60% dmg resistance, this allows a half hp cera to facetank and kill an adult carno.

I think all they need to do is buff it’s damage reduction a little bit and make its bite force considerably stronger so getting bit by it is a scarier thought.

One thing i dont like about cera is the run animation, it looks very , VERY similar to legacy run,and i just wished that it got a little bit of tlc on the run animation

I think you forgot that the Cera gains a passive buff that makes them far more resilient around corpses. This mechanic is also not active in the stress test as far as I'm aware

I think they could just fix the problem by adding a simple hide thickness stat that adds a health buff

Cera doesnt need to be tanky to be defensive it just needs tools that make a playable defensive like stun mechanic of teno or bonebreak of pachy same problem is with stego as stego cannot stun, just add dps almost twice that of deinos bite force to "balance" things out(if that is what balance means).A tanky cera motivates player to blatantly facetank, my opinion is to give cera charged bite the bonebreak mechanic while completely rework septic bite as a passive mechanic to make corpses rot faster helping server performance (no compys needed), and keep current running speed of 40.2 kmph and stam enough to run away from apexes/large tiers, so basically any playable fool enough to let a slow predator with charged bite that can be heard from miles near itself would deserve a bonebreak. Maximum weight restriction for bonebreak application would be that of Allos' weight as allos are definitely going to be faster and heavier than cera(unless allo is nerfed to make cera viable which would be more disappointing than present cera vs carno situation).

Cera will get the Chuffing buff around dead bodys when the update goes live, that will change Cera to what it should be , that he can defend or fight for dead bodys but it wont be a good hunter.

At least somebody said it

Well it's uh still in stress test maybe when it releases it might be better who knows

Not sure how much even a 20% damage reduction would help as from some quick math it would take an armor value of 40% cera to match carno in a bite to bite fight and thats not counting its charge. Even at 40% damage reduction cera would only potentially match carno in terms of face to face combat which just shows how poorly cera was balanced as a tank when compared to what is arguably the biggest threat to it. As for teno just did the math for its 300 damage kicks and it would still kill a cera within 8 kicks vs ceras 11 bites if cera had 40%armor. I think 10-20% isn't nearly enough armor if it takes double the upper estimate not to surpass but to match cera's main rivals and considering the carno's hard hitting stun ability and teno having built in stun on its combo cera would need massive armor to match the promised tankyness it would have. Again 40% matches carno in a bite to bite contest so carno is still relatively tankier in a head to head confrontation with cera using its charge. So 40% is where I'd set the low bar as again, it is cerato, not carno, who was promissed to be a tanky bully. Upper limit for me would be 50% as while this pushes cera over carno in terms of bite to bite it should still match considering carno's charge.

Easy fix: "Disease Sweat" Passive: Dino bite attacks deal less damage to a cera (due to the Cera being gross and unpleasant to bite into) IRL sweat and other skin fluid leaking has similar functions to this, so this would be a realistic explanation while being a gamey solution to this problem. Edit: Oh hey cool we had the same idea

Why can’t they just add an armor and armor piercing mechanic. The more % armor a creature has, the more effectively it mitigates damage. And vise versa for armor piercing.

I dunno i think that Cerato should be a more agile dinosaur then Carno so if chased it can just turn to the left or right and the Carno wont keep up. Everything else honestly seems fine, Cerato was a smaller dinosaur than Carno so it seems legit to me.

What about its charge bite? I'm still not sure what it really does in terms of damage increase or bacteria infection increase but it doesn't seem too worth it. Also the fact that the infection doesn't increase over time means that the target has to be bit multiple times before they vomit, at that point you would have already won or lost the battle before they vomit. You also can't chase the targets since you are so slow so most targets will just run once they see a cera.

Carno bite should be weaker, and cera should get armor across its entire body, like 30% or 40% damage reduction. Blunt attacks like carno charge or teno slam could bypass half of the armor, and crushing attacks like Deino or rex bite penetrate all armor. Cera is supposed to be super resilient, it should have a higher chance than most at surviving violent encounters.

Bump Ceratos weight to 2,000 and keep the damage mitigation, that should work

2:10 LoL!! ;))

Now Cerato deals 200 damage per bite

Evrima is the 'king' of immersion.

THATS WHAT I SAID THE ENTIRE TIME! THANK YOU!

bruh i havent played isle since well before evrima dropped, maybe in another 6 months id try it again but probably not

orrr they could give it a bone break also why tf doesnt deino have bone breaking bites?

como jogo com os novos dinossauro ?

If you watch this video with CC the Cerato becomes advertised as 'stinky'

I will not come back, the videos and such are nice, but i dont have any hope. The performance will not change, we will need to wait like 7 months until we get the next update or smth. And the devs will keep giving us hope and empty dev blogs with empty promises.

I don't think they need to change cerato's stats because that would throw off the whole balance of the current mid-tier roster. Instead, they should make the bite scary enough to make players not just worry about losing their diet, a diet which will be immediately replaced once the opponent kills the cerato.

make it barely faster than stego and give it the damage resistance

everytime i hear your ret arded voice i want to die

Raptor family it's our time

In the ST carno is so bad he has no stam so they can’t run down their prey which is what they are made for, they are long distance runners.

Idk Cera sounds like Anky and I was told Anky is a bad animal that nobody would have an interest in playing.

soon

i dont know about the regions you play but man there have been 3-5+ FG ceratos on most servers just wrecking anything that isnt a deino/steg haha. the bacteria bite is busted.

1:33 redesigned? bro it looks *exactly* the same lol

after the stress test footage ive lost all hype for this update

Why would they say Cerato is durable, yet it gets beat up easily by Carno and Teno? That's poor advertising

This video caused me both physical and mental pain...you don't seem to understand the difference between "resilience" and "tankiness"

Anyone in favor of putting Zaguer in the dev team ?

You sound just like DefeatPete

so carno still the best carniv on land? well time to wait 20 years for allo then.

I prefer option 1

No matter what happens carno alaways reign supreme, since the legacy, why cera didnt weight more than carno??

I would play cerato over Carno any day tbh

In my opinion there is no reason why Carno should have higher dmg than Cera. Cera has like twice the head size and much bigger teeth. Carno is a cheetah, fast but weak, while cerato is more like a leopard and should have higher dmg, especailly when it slower, which it should be, than carno.

When they said slow my heart sank tbh. In legacy it was nimble and somewhat fast.

They just buffed Cerato.

But why does Cerato need so good stats when its supposed to scavange? Making him strong like Carno would take away its Survivalist gameplay-style. I dont want another PvP Dinosaur.

Even the packy in 6.5 in not viable, cant fight and run from carnos

Gunna cover how weak sauce troodon is? don’t think I’ve seen a single troodon vid where a massive group of them have killed anything bigger then a boar lol

I kinda wish they could do what path of titans did, have different bite ability’s, hides, leg mechanics, tail mechanics and such. It would make the isle less controversial in what dino does most dmg and im not saying make it exactly like PoT but in a way make it fair enough for a cera or carno to go up against a stego lol

Cant jump, cant run fast and its lighter than teno. Why? 😅 supposed to be tank and bulky. Why not more health? This is so wrong

they should have stress tested their servers and their performance overall - this game is literally unplayable

In general i think, its infectious bite shouldnt make people vomit. How does that give them a advantage in Combat? It just fucks up the Targets diets. Atleast from what i know. The infectious bite should be infectious, yes, but i was thinking of some sort of different infection. Like some temporarily debuffs, just like when we get sick. Also i think adding Armor or atleast one new stat to the Game, that decides a playables tankiness without making it unrealistic would be the best way. Path of Titans did that and it turns out to be a really cool mechanic.

i lie how ppl are complaning about teno, but carno litraly kill cera more ezly

Worth noting that the attack values are only ever listed for the bites. Beyond that, no armor mechanic is implemented. It's a question of the community misunderstanding off the original post the devs gave - its not tanky vs raw compared to larger animals like Tenonto and Carno. It's tanky for its size and bleed resistance and immunity to damage from any attack below a set threshold were specifics. Notably, it has fracture resistance, for whatever reason, which wasnt stated anywhere but is a thing it has. It was never stated to be tankier than Carno or Tenonto. You and many other players managed to set your expectations as IF cerato breaks the norm - it doesnt. It abides by the rules every playable follows and immersion still takes precedent over it being some sort of MMO class. While Carno is higher in raw stats than Cerato, it has far worse bleed res, far worse stamina, far worse turning, far worse acceleration and a lower attack rate. Cerato is entirely capable of handling Carno, just be cautious in open plains, because Carno is the larger animal. One of the big people behind the way Cerato turned out is the QA member who does size charts for the animals and is very involved with Hypno & Dondi at setting up the stats for animals. I recommend reaching out to doctornova on Discord if you want some more insight, as he and I, along with our broad friendgroup, several of which being Stress Testers and QA members (and former ones) into the general setup for Cerato's kit. In case you don't want to hear it straight from the horse's mouth, The high stamina was given so it can travel from area to area efficiently in search of food and allow it to get away from somewhere after Chuffing reveals to the entire region that a Cerato has food. It also leans into the Hyena-like persona the devs wanted for their rot wagon and lets it somewhat manage to be a more effective predator of Pachycephalosaurus than Carnotaurus can be, which ties into the Fracture Res it was given, since Carnotaurus and Omniraptor are both ill equipped to currently predate Pachycephalosaurus that know what they are doing. High stamina also means that it usually has some reserves to spare after a fight and thus can hold down a carcass without getting bowled over as quickly.