The Strongest Joestar in JoJo (According to Araki) 

Dio just was cocky while fighting jotaro

But still Jonathan is the strongest jostar in strength

@@Stereotypicalduh The JoJos Ranked in Physical Strength: 1. Jonathan Joestar 2. Jotaro Kujo 3. Joseph Joestar 4. Josuke Higashikata (Gappy) 5. Josuke Higashikata 6. Jolyne Cujoh 7. Johnny Joestar w/ Legs 8. Giorno Giovanna 9. Jodio Joestar

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Yo we have about the same amount of subs

Funny thing is he did get a stand and it was literally just hermit purple

@@SaguaroTheCactusCatyeah but technically it was just dios stand but using jonathans body

@@Sifi999 it’s still Jonathan’s stand I mean.. the stand is literally called “Jonathan’s stand” kinda in the name

It was so powerfull that provided all his descendents strong stands

I usually think that what we saw of Jonathan’s stand wasn’t a complete one, as in like it wasn’t in its fullest state or never seen beyond one of its abilities

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@@MRForcayou were kinda wrong on how Jonathan were to punch a wall vs tusk punching a wall the wall takes time to damage more with tusk than Jonathan judging you completely ignored the fact Tusk has crazy strength as well than just having infinite rotations on his side yeah Jonathan is strong as well but realistically speaking Jonathan can’t get to tusk at all. Even if Jonathan did have speed or unrealistically TIMESTOP johnny can still move through it all easily and he’s not a vampire so hamon would do damage but not as much as it would DIO also with GER I agree that ger has little to no durability because being seen to be defeated by only one punch by diavolo but that’s if jonathan can even touch ger if he’s even able to get to ger, I agree with your statements with jonathan just had a couple reasons on why things would go differently when it comes to jonathan being the best and strongest joestar but it doesn’t mean some joestars can’t defeat him. JoJos whole plot and story came from Jonathan’s balls

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@@MRForcabruh i dont think so cuz star platinum fucking destroyed a school by uppercutting kakyoin

That’s what I’m saying lmao. Jonathan is the strongest but I think jotaro beats him

i think is jotaro had hamon, he would be the undeniable "strongest".@@MRForca

​@@MRForcai mean that's random because being born a hamon prodigy is different than having strong stand but if he can somehow reach high degree in hamon he will be absolute tank

I think if he also had spin and vampirism he would be the strongest JoJo.​@@AQWChancer

@@windego64 but you can’t have hamon and vampirism

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He probably wouldn’t have been able to use it much against Dio, as even a Hamon prodigy like his ancestors needed time to train and Jotaro didn’t really have time for much training, he might’ve been able to pick up some of the basics details of it, but not enough. Also while Jotaro is clever his main strategy is always to get in close and take out his opponent, Dio is clever and if by some miracle hamon could effect the World, all that would do is make Dio more cautious and possibly lead to him running away the minute he felt a true threat.

​@@calebcollins5887i guess this is assuming if jotaro had time in that case it's definitely useful

duuude star platinum throwing zoompunch and overdrives

@@calebcollins5887 Just teach it to SP Weve all seen how he can breathe

The world is Jonathan's stand, with Dio using it

@@tomatofarmerlarry3331 no jonathan has a different variation of hermit purple. the world is dio's stand.

@@azurawolfe5000 Incorrect

​​@@gotyournose6479No Dios stand is The World. The Passions is Jonathan's stand.

@@Zeonite-of5lu Never said anything about Dio's stand I just said that's bs. Passion isn't canon and the hermit purple variant used by DIO was never obtained by Jonathan thus not being an appropriate display of his fighting spirit

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He’s my favorite too

Johnathan doesn't get enough respect..him and Joseph are my favorite Joestar's..

True that and I agree with the Joseph statement too @@michaelbrooks886

​@@MRForca Oh my God, I am happy to meet fellow Jonathan enjoyers. He's always been my favorite because of his status as a paragon of righteousness. And in the games, the other family members always treat him with reverence, as he essentially became the Joestar patriarch.

Joseph???? A in intelligence????

@@0malware118 Check out Part 2, shit's crazy

Joseph is pretty smart, its how he beat Kars​@@0malware118

​@@0malware118part 2 is all the proof you need to say Joseph deserves both the A in smarts and luck don't even need the other parts

​@@0malware118 even an A is less for Joseph in intelligence. Bro probably deserves an S

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At least Joseph had Hamon supercharging his body.

​​@@MRForca I gotta be honest...it's physically impossible, according to the lore presented in the series, for Jonathan to be stronger than Joseph. Jonathan could barely handle Dio, and he still died doing that. Dio...is factually weaker than the Pillar Men, according to what the lore lays out in Battle Tendency. In fact, the Pillar Men see vampires as...food. The stone mask grants humans a fraction of the Pillar Men's strengths, and expands their weakness (i.e. to sunlight and Hamon). Joseph fought and killed one...and then IMMEDIATELY continued into fighting another, stronger one...that then literally became the Ultimate Being in the world. I won't count Joseph's victory against Kars as a testament to his strength (it wasn't), but the fact is he still NEARLY killed Kars before his transformation. And Kars was far and away the strongest opponent before he ever became Ultimate Kars. Pillar Men >>>>>>> Vampires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Base Humans That's the strength scale we're looking at...even a particularly strong vampire couldn't beat a Pillar Man, even if the Pillar Men couldn't just immediately devour them. Even if the Pillar Men could be killed via some method other than Hamon (which vampires can't use). The vampires, at base, are just physically weaker than the Pillar Men. The Stone Mask effect on humans just turns them into weak imitations of the Pillar Men This is specifically why Araki has never outright stated this OUTRAGEOUS claim. Because he literally, objectively, removes that idea from debate in the VERY NEXT PART

@@brendonw456 not reading all that. join the discord

@@MRForca Fine. Here's the TLDR: Part 2 clearly states the Pillar Men are stronger than vampires. Joseph killed 1, solo, and then nearly killed another, stronger one, immediately after. Dio is a vampire. Jonathan had to push himself to death to handle a weaker version of what Joseph dealt with.

watch the jotaro vid for a more detialed explaination

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Feel free to debunk it then. That wasn’t my main argument either

The freezing ability is the one vampire ability I can see him not having in Part 3. In Part 1 Dio mentions that he can use his vaporizing freezing technique because he had full mastery and control of his body. In part 3 he does not have full control of Jonathan’s body so it’s only natural to assume he wouldn’t be able to use it even if he wanted to.

@@sonpanchan that's a fair point

Star platinum the same type of stand

This is a plausible take, but it’s not actually addressed in the source material. He just kinda doesn’t use any ability other than healing; we can assume he’s lost the powers, or maybe he just didn’t want to use them or didn’t have a good opportunity. But it’s not really for certain

@@bananabanana484 actually we can assume he very much has all his abilities but we dont know the reason for not using them. he can and does turn people (at least one person) after awakening into a vampire and his flesh parasites are a direct application of his vampire powers. we could infere that the flesh parasites are simply far more efficient than siring entire vampires potentially wasting energy that he's been building up for years. i will say that even though DIO probably had all his powers the only time he'd be willing to use them is in the state after drinking Joseph's blood as that changed him... but stands are just more efficient and he cant use his abilities on star platinum

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Well, Power is just energy/time. I think you mean fighting ability, which is an understandable distinct. Aqua man can probably lift more than the Flash, but the flash probably wins

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I think you mistook it. That's actually you getting smarter. I know for a fact that that's what's going on, because you can't get any dumber.

@@BumbleBee-ur4uo True, based and red pilled. No one in the history of mankind has ever gotten dumber.

​@@GooberGoofy-lj5yd You could could have a stroke resulting in brain cells dying, get Alzheimer's, dementia, etc which will result in you getting dumber. This has happened thousands of times all throughout human history.

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Thanks man

Counter arguement. Why didnt he use hamon? 0_o

⁠@@atlasrecordsrusdub9439 Straizo is a bit of a result of why Dio can't use Hamon. the other problem is that Hamon is still a problem for Dio (even in time stop otherwise he wouldn't need to use a knife to kill Joseph.) He doesn't fully know the hamon And… he has The World so that’s enough for him

​@@atlasrecordsrusdub9439 dio is a vampire if he used hamon he would be dead already

​@@atlasrecordsrusdub9439I can prove that he would die by using hamon as a vampire because straizo used hamon and then his entire body crumbled

Yeah the video is incredibly disingenuous and very heavily giving Jonathan every benefit of the doubt, im sure anyone would win this debate against him

Not sure about him getting his part 1 regen back, he was blown in half from a non-hamon related source and couldn’t recover while straizo who should be relative to part 1 Dio (but most likely is generally weaker) was entirely blown to bits by grenades and recovered fine. I do agree that DIO getting Joseph’s blood was a huge power-up as that’s just what the narrative is telling us but the increase is unquantifiable, but it’s most certainly not back to his part 1 self fully in the physical department. Especially considering how he lost by being hit on his weaker side, which implies that he had far more room for growth in not just his time stop length. As a side note I’d argue it’s also fair to say at least physically Jotaro would outmatch Diavolo with Star Platinum as he showed general superiority over a Silver Chariot in better condition than the one shown in Part 5 while Diavolo had to work around Silver Chariot with his ability and couldn’t outright overpower it. Star Platinum’s stand stats are also generally superior to King Crimson but that’s way less important considering how bizarre they can be.

​@@p1xiest1ck6 I mean...he'd have to explain how Dio Brando is somehow stronger than the Pillar Men, while simultaneously the result of wearing the mask they designed that turns humans into WEAKER and bastardized versions of Pillar Men. Because Joseph soloed one of those Pillar Men and then continued on to fight an even stronger one and NEARLY win *that* fight as well...before that Ultimate Being transformation. And that enemy was so OP that the plot literally just had to force him to lose. But the YTer does conveniently skip over Part 2 entirely...probably because ALL of the lore in that section contradicts the idea of Jonathan being the strongest without dispute.

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he needed to get closer to jotaro remember after throwing the knifes? So why not just use the sting eyes????

@@MRForca DIO is very egotistical, wouldn't put it past the guy to refuse to use his "Inferior" abilities

@@MRForca Cause he wanted to be cautious and thorough, Star Platinum could deflect it plus it's not as guaranteed a fatal attack as beheading, or as gruesome for that matter, which is what Dio prefers.

@@MRForca first, the arguments already listed by other comments, second, space ripper stingy eyes expel vampiric energy, therefore it would be detrimental for him to use it as he would need more blood to regain his strength.

@@MoOsHw well it worked on Jonathan, Jotaro might not expect it since he doesn't even know about vampire abilities, and idk if Star Platinum can deflect the stinger eyes, it might actually go through the stand entirely like a ghost but i'm guessing DIO wouldn't want to risk that anyway

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Watch the jotaro vs goku vid in the description. I go in depth there on why he would have that along with jotaro beating him 🤷‍♀️

Yeah, what? He got punched in the face by weather report and died pretty quickly. He just didn’t die from his own ability. His ability was beyond the realm of his personal power, similar to how the world stops time everywhere in the universe but DIO’s biggest feat is lifting construction equipment

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@@bananabanana484 it's just hax, his physical stats are low af, except for MiH speed.

Exactly, he's pretty much the weakest without his abilities. Though there is reason to say that he is at least stronger than Joseph, but even that is debatable. They both know Hamon, but Jonathon has mastered it while Joseph pretty much just hastily learned it. That being said the battle IQ of Joseph is probably greater than that of nearly every other Joestar. It honestly could probably go to either person, based on their surroundings and weapons at hand.

You lack logic. Every joestar has abilities.

watch the jotaro vs goku vid for context

You can see his Chad blood lessening as the jojos get skinnier

same

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Jonathan beat tarkus who split a cliff

He definitely benches 405 Tons.

I did some eye-balling for Tarcus’ boulder-done thing. It’s looks like about 3 Jonathan’s tall and 5 tarcus shoulders wide (about 18 ft tall and 25 ft wide). That’s about 168 tons conservatively. And Jonathan made him look like a rag doll, with inferior leverage. 480 tons isn’t unreasonable for the guy. He does actually make Star platinum look average, though Star Platinum is way faster (Jonathan got hit by stingy eyes and Star Platinum catches bullets point blank).

@@bananabanana484 SP is physically stronger

Jonathan lost to Dio's head lol

Thx man

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