The SUICIDE SQUADs: The One Scene That Shows Why One Worked and the Other Didn't | SCENE FIGHTS! 

Hey all, sorry about the reupload. Had to take the last one down because it was demonetized because Harley *hummed* a song. So please watch this one or click to the end so we can show the algorithm some love.

I’m just glad that King Shark has friends now.

I also really want to point out that her scene in suicide squad *MATCHES* her fight scene in the police precinct in Birds of Prey. That movie is from her perspective in her brain and she sees violence in a similar candy colored way. I fucking love it

The harley scene was amazing. really made me a fan. plus that opening scene where the the first suicide squad dies, that was the moment where i knew that this film was going to be epic.

I honestly would not mind an entire movie that shows how Harley sees the world. Like with all the cartoon effects.

James gunn knows how make lesser known characters interesting. We all know croc, harley, deadshot, boomerang, katana, joker, and waller through TONS of different media and comics. But characters like peacemaker and bloodsport, I've never heard of them but know I'm digging in to their history.

Honestly one of my favorite parts of the movie was Harley wearing combat boots for the big combat scene. More of this please!!!

I’m glad Harley Quinn wasn’t used as a sex object in this one. She has so much potential

Harley is such a genuinely loved character and I know a lot of people are “over her” but I think it’s just real nice to finally start seeing her as like a complex character and understand that she isn’t just some quirky villain and Joker’s groupie, but she genuinely sees the world differently and it’s so surface level. I hope we get to see more of her like this (even though Margot Robbie says she needs a break from play Harley LUL)

In the escape fight, she's not only separated from her team and the joker - she also had her latest hopes shattered. Just as she thought she could turn the page with a new guy, he was revealed as yet another dirtbag, and she had to live through murder and torture.

Yeah, I'm not buying David Ayer's whole "not my movie" argument, when he wrote such lines for the Joker such as "This handsome HUNKA HUNKA!", "I'm an idea, a state of mind", and "Oh you don't want no beef? You don't want no beef? You don't no beef?", and lets no forget how he signed off on the joker having "damaged" tattooed on his head. 🤣

y’know what? it sucks how in this movie, harley’s massacre through her mind scene is so congratulated and thought to be amazing and genius, but the scene in birds of prey where the exact same thing happened as she was breaking into the police department. why? edit: i would like to add: if you think birds of prey is gender obsessed, you haven’t seen the movie. they literally do not mention gender at all smh

I just now noticed that when Harley hugs Flag he pats her back with his gun not his hand

Not to mention in the re-do, the whole fight scene with Harley focuses on the action instead of her body, unlike the original. She is a complete character, not just eye candy for the male gaze.

Another reason the first movie failed; It's not much of a "Suicide" Squad. Only two team members die. One is dead bang obvious, because he's nowhere in the trailers. As soon as Slipknot shows up, I was thinking "I haven't seen anything in the marketing material with this guy, so he clearly won't last very long." The other was the fire guy, who after making a ludicrous declaration of the team being "family" does the nobble sacrifice thing... and that's it. The rest of the team gets copious amounts of plot armor. Bigger reason the first movie failed: Pacing issues. The revelation to the team that The Enchantress was only a problem because of Waller's fuck up, should have been as much of a surprise to we the audience as it was to the characters. Instead, we'd already seen that revelation far earlier in the movie, because the movie was edited by the trailer team. So there's a large chunk of wasted time where the audience is waiting for the squad to catch up with us in terms of knowledge. -Meanwhile, Gunn was able to save the revelation that Waller was sending the team to cover up the US of A's dirty work until it would have maximum impact for audience and protagonist alike. If we'd been told from the get go that Capaldi's Thinker character was continuing work started by the US Government, the discovery by Flagg would have been a weaker moment for it.

i loved the scene where she just shoots the dictator after he maniacally tells his plans to use starro as a weapon agaisnt people who oppose him.

The flowers-and-butterflies part of the fight scene may have been inspired by Team Fortress 2, specifically the Meet The Pyro promotion where we get to see the world through his eyes. His flamethrower becomes a bubble gun, he thinks he's putting candy in his "friends'" mouths when it's really grenades, fire becomes rainbows, screams of agony are laughter, etc.

I thought the previous scene that led to Harley being imprisoned was really neat because it expressed both a very healthy attitude to toxic relationships born of learning from past mistakes and personal growth - coupled with a psychopath's logic in how to act on that healthy attitude. It was very Harley Quinn.

The Harley quinn escape massacre was the best scene the movie.

There’s only one movie that incorporates pop music well… . . . . . . . Shrek 2

I love when she took those boots and wore it with her red dress for the rest of the movie. It looks so cool! And that entire scene of Harley escaping is just brilliant.

This was literally just that scene where Bloodsport said "He does everything I do" Peacemaker says "But better." SS1 and SS2 respectively.

The "don't tell us, show us!" was the biggest difference for me. No need to do monologues or flashbacks, since we are actually "watching" how the characters are. I had total faith in Gunn because he KNOWS how to put a bunch of unknown characters in a movie and make it work, we have seen him do it before. And he didn't disappoint.

I was actually sad when some of the characters died toward the end. I was really afraid Shark King was gonna die like at six different points just in the last act. It really made you feel like pretty much anyone could die at any point.

Interestingly, Gunn went on record to say that Harley's fight scene was inspired by a previous project he worked on. Co-writing the videogame "Lolipop Chainsaw".

So, my brother (a bit of a DC expect, where I’m more Marvel) pointed out to me while we were watching the Harley self-rescue scene that in chronology this was happening after Harley shacked up with Poison Ivy. In the lore, Ivy gave Harley an inoculation to all of Ivy’s poison plants, including Ivy herself. Also in the lore, that inoculation was also a super soldier serum (kind of), that boosts Harley’s strength, speed, dexterity, resistance to fatigue and pain, and kinesthesis (the ability to understand where things are in relation to herself). And … pheromones. Those animated flowers we see? Pheromones. Everyone liking her to the point where they pause when she’s near them? Pheromones. We are shown her upgrades, but never told. That’s masterclass storytelling.

12:56 when she stabs the soldier in the foot, the blood spray is in the shape of a heart

My favorite needle drop when it comes to its narrative place in the movie was Sucker's Prayer for Bloodsport. "I wanna love somebody but I don't know how" shows up a lot as part of his character throughout the movie, especially with his daughter

The music in the first one is mostly songs I've already heard in a ton of movies. It's like they picked it by looking at a list of the most common movie songs.

i agree with what you said here. i think i enjoyed Suicide Squad in spite of it's numerous problems but The Suicide Squad is noticeably better because it does a lot of little things "right" and that resonates. even the way Idris plays Bloodsport is preferable to the way Will plays Deadshot makes such a remarkable difference.

"Harley is alone because nobody else sees the world they way she sees it" oh so like. Flowery violence. *ekhem* Poison Ivy *ekhm* But seriously they should finally introduce Poison Ivy and give Harley the healthy romantic relationship she deserves. Margot Robbie wants her introduced as well.

I tried others songs to sync the elevator song to and with a little wiggling Elvis' "It's Now or Never" and Peggy Williams' "I will follow him," fits so much better. It sets up Harley's mood and makes a nice contrast to the action. And I can completely buy that Harley would be an Elvis fan.

I honestly forgot the whole plot line of the last version. I found myself thinking “wait, that happened” while watching this video.

I like to think of the Harley escape as the "This is why we keep putting this clown on our spec ops team" scene.

I really felt that the Harley scene was almost depressing for me. It just made me sad to see how truly destroyed her mind had become over they years. Absolutely outstanding piece of cinematography

Yeah, I thought the flowers scene was the best insight into Harley. To me though, it's felt like the three films she's been in have portrayed her in 3 completely different ways!

That katana paragraph has gone past just being cringy and is now legendary.

I gotta "Um Actually" you here, "The House Of The Rising Sun" is ORIGINALLY about a prison. Granted, they used the Animals version, which was more likely about a whore house, but the "House of the rising sun" was the nickname given to a women's prison in Louisiana that had a sunrise logo over the gate. The original song was female gendered, and it stayed that way until the Animals came and shifted the perspective. Doesn't mean anything for your larger points, but just thought I'd point that out.

Great to see that specific Harley scene given the absolute praise it deserves - for me, it's by FAR the best Harley scene committed to the silver screen. She is capable, crazy, beautiful, dangerous, she flows like utter poetry. And we are with her every step of the glorious way!

FINALLY! Someone understands Harley's flower party scene!

when he is talking about music in movies ...he is right ..music all by itself can tell a story of whats going on in the movie and sets the mood and mind set of the actors...thats why needle drop moments are always remembered ...

The "I ain't got nobody"-scene with Harley was such a cool scene!

This was a great analysis! One layer I wanted to add was that Folsom Prison Blues was actually written by Cash when he was serving in the military, but he often told people he had written it in jail to support the character that he created for the stage. This is reflected in Savant's "display over power" over a powerless little bird, and how it's later revealed that his tough-guy façade is all just an act when he fleas into the water.

Not only TSS is better directed, it's better shot.

Good thing i've seen the Arey cut of this video before

7:14 That perfectly in sync, that's amazing.

Well I’ll Say It AGAIN, Damn It! The Way You Described Harley’s Perception Of Reality Was *Spot On* !!

I loved this movie (The Suicide Squad) so much. I thought it was so much better in the first movie because of the character dynamics. they rarely got along but they were able to agree and connect over little things, and that made it real. My parents hated it because it was "all over the place" according to them and they thought too many characters died. But I thought it was great because of all that. it was different, it was humorous, and it felt very comic book. I don't care what you say, it is probably one of the best movies this year

I don't know how, I don't know when - but I'd love to see THIS Harley Quinn meet Ryan Reynolds Deadpool in a glorious-multiverse-mash-up-crossover

I watched the first suicide squad movie when it came out a few years ago. Hearing about it again and seeing some scenes, I realize how forgettable that experience is. This new suicide squad movie is definitely not one I'll soon forget though.

11:14 i just love bloodsport in this scene, he's like "goddamn, another psychopath..."

The ayer cut script has been leaked and it’s got some… questionable decisions made in regards to the joker. Possibly worse than what we actually got with Leto.

That Harley Quinn escape scene was just unbelievable and badass , absolutely amazing stuff from James Gunn 👏👏👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 and Definitely much handled well than David ayer’s movie

Harley's fight scene was just incredible

Unpopular opinion: The original Suicide Squad wasn't that bad and was quite enjoyable

When I saw the scene where Harley hugged Flag I honestly thought she might be able to find real happiness with a guy like him

It really sucks that RU-vid continues to demonetize your videos over nonsense. I will gladly rewatch this video and thank you for the awesome breakdowns.

That movie was pure cinema. I feel sad that I'll never get to watch it on the big screen, but it was an absolute flea t for the senses, smart enough to tickle the brain, and smart enough to know when to simply dumb down and enjoy the silliness of its own premise. Also, reliked. Worth the rewatch.

Never have I felt more joy than I did when I realised Shark King survived till the end. such a good lil shark mans. 💛💛

I just love Joel Kinnamans voice. He always sounds like he's half confused and half bored of what's going on around.

Am I having Deja Vu

I honestly laughed extremely hard on Harley's rampage scenes (because my sense of humor is clearly odd). I loved the choreography, and I loved even more the bloodflowers, I think I've never had so much fun watching an action scene and I felt like I was watching a masterpiece. Great job James Gunn!

11:55 also, notice how one scene deals with silence vs constant noise: shown here is the pause before the needle drop gaging and building tension and intrigue before the outcome of the eventual musical outburst, while the 2016 suicide squad treats the scene like a trailer and keeps the music, and sound, at a constant that begins from the moment of the scene's commencement till it's eventual end. This disregard for silence is what separates cinema from marketing.

The thing about the first movie is that they installed the characters in a horrible execution, what I think would've worked is that suicide squad should've started in Amanda waller's point of view, the catastrophe meta humans have caused for their world, that already may have been a better intro than what we have got. Second, the introduction of the team, in my opinion the set up would happen when waller starts picking the people she wanted for the squad, you can then insert slight flashbacks or something or narration about the characters but not like how they set it up during the intro of characters in suicide squad its so lengthy, third she would negotiate to the government to let her have a team that would assist her in combating metahuman, I think suicide squad handled that in a meh execution. Enchantress can still be the main antagonist, her betrayal and stuff, also remove the joker and her brother whatsoever the main villain is her and her only, also don't I hated the idea of her being a plot point for rick flagg it's unforgivable, the enchantress could worked if she was already in an unstable condition then rick flagg grew sympathy for her, no love connection whatsoever. Then the mission sets off. Honestly, the squad walking around the city all through out the movie is the worst possible concept you can get for a team to bond. They need the deliberation scene like what they have for TSS, waller meets everyone, everyone meets everyone so on. I think it would have worked if there are more characterd for the team to set up waller's control over the squad like except for slipknot there are other characters who chose to run and got their heads popped not by flagg but by waller.

Wasn't video dropped earlier. Swear I saw this before.

Yo, the peace keeper kill scene. With his music edited in. Bravo!

Great job on the comparison/contrast!

The fact that they spent so much time and money, including trailers, on the team that eats it in the first 10 minutes was such a f'ing baller move, and the way that they killed that team was just... *chef's kiss* What should've been a moment that would normally upset the audience was a gut punch that informed us that no one was safe, nor that this movie was going to follow any of the usual rules.

Great analysis of TSS, personally I love the Harley Quinn scene, it's pretty creative

Harley Quinn feels like a filmmakers dream character to work with

Dude you're breakdown of these movies and your knowledge of music especially really old music is impressive and well put together man. I appreciate your insight.

Awesome vid! Subbed to the channel... now I'm going to check all your old stuff out like an obsessed maniac.

Yeah, I'm not sure Ayer Cut would be any better. There are more to the mess that is SS than just the editing and reshot scenes.

The biggest reason the new one is better? Easy Nanaue

You NAILED this review ! You literally NAILED it !

Great job. Had to share this one.

I feel like I already watched this

the shit squad harley quinn just looks like a psychotic seductive woman whilst the newer one feels like a really good written character.

noooo i wasn’t ready for this to be over keep going

Wonderful break-down. Thanks!

Well, Katana didn’t have his back 😭😭😭😭

I am just so happy someone besides me got this because She is such a deep character. In the D.C universe, Harley is A character that is well worth flushing out.Thank You for such a good video

You, my friend, have just convinced me to watch The Suicide Squad today. After class. I'll be back when I do watch it.

I loved the analysis of showing who someone is vs telling how youre supposed to feel. Also love harley, and the scene where she was emotional they were coming to get her was so sweet

reupload??

This is a brilliant video, thoroughly enjoyed the breakdown!

I'm glad that somebody have noticed those needle drops in the first movie. Very well done, dear sir, great review

Well said. Very interesting!

Finally saw The SS about a week or so ago and g damn what a great movie compared to the first. So much fun with all the characters!

So glad that King Shark just has friends now .. he was like the Groot of the movie 😇😇😇😇😇😇

Very good review. I am learning a lot of info in here.

Great vid, thanks!

I absolutely loved the first team mission and how disastrous it turned out the moment they jumped from the helicopter. That alone told me this version was better.

I still love the sad rescue team: yeah, was a really good plan too :(.

Well that was explained very well and I enjoy the way you make it so clear in the points you are making in the comparison, Thank your for sharing your thoughts on these movies

This was a great video🔥🔥🔥

This video is so good i'll watch the reupload gladly

Is this a reupload? I swear I've seen this exact video already.

I loved hearing your analysis about the movie!

Genius breakdown, that harley made me geek out... so much subtextual reference and connotations.