JOKER vs DARK KNIGHT: The Real Difference Between the Two Jokers 

The DK Joker for sure.

Dark knight and cartoon joker

My one complaint about these superheros movies is that they always kill off their main vilians!

Heath obviously

Joaquin Phoenix was better and he's vegan

Yeah, if apples are incredible, mind blowing, and oranges are overrated, and a cringeworthy rip-off of apples.

@@batman4452 Hear, hear! I completely agree!

@@MrHootiedean right?

@@batman4452 Don't even get me started on the mediocrity that is Joker.

@@MrHootiedean Most overrated garbage of a film I've ever seen... I've been die hard Batman fan since birth! (born 89), Jokers my favorite villain... I will prob NEVER watch Joker again.. that's saying something.

A joke and not a joker

Haha

Audience, also: Not even a funny or good joke, Jared.

Jack Nicholson: You ever dance with The Devil on pale moon light?

You wouldn't get it.

Then why did it opened after he waved?

@@whiteduck5563 because someone from inside came there.

Even the doors are complete fucking douchebags guess the only doors h can trust are the elevator doors.

Clearly society is to blame.

plot hole HAHAHA

Beanie Pug Productions :3 1989 actually

Er 1989 actually

Oxy Moron so true

Oxy Moron Letos joker was terrible

Fuck Jared Leto

Andy Brown perhaps U aren't a big marvel fan kid, he is a protagonist in marvel upcoming Morbius, so better not hate him

@Benito Riggio oh yeah, I know. Didn't Joaquin also have an Oscar before the Joker role too? I meant that, if done well, it seems like The Joker is a for sure win.

not wise man... a terrorist....

A freedom fighter is a domestic terrorist.

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This is partly because foreign terrorists begin as rebel guerillas, fighting off occupying armies in developing nations. What makes them terrorists is their targeting civilians in public bombings, shooting up newspaper offices for political cartoons against religious figures, kidnappings, maiming and brainwashing of rich heirs, beheadings on RU-vid and hijacking airplanes. Most discussions of terrorism focus too much on the offenders' religions and ideologies, rather than the methods described in the previous sentence.

@@darlalathan6143 i think u r referring to the Islamic terrorists

Phoenix is transforming into Joker not fully from a normal person. Ledger's Joker is after that transformation. Even at last scene of Joker, When he stands on car, He nearly acts like Ledger's one

phoenix joker seemed like a psychopath to me

sir He’s more of a sociopath. Ledger’s Joker is an actual psychopath.

WELL PUT ! you are totally right ! this is why i prefer Ledger ! darker more psychotic Joker !!!!

sir his actually sort of a sociopath

Ledger's Joker failed without the Batmans involvement. The hostages didn't blow up the ships. Proving that everyone is not like him.

Joshua Foy In a roundabout way. Batman’s known existence in that movie is why the people didn’t go through with it. Batman gave Gotham hope. He was their knight in shining armor. The “Dark Knight.” That beacon of hope doesn’t exist at all in ‘The Joker’ movie.

@@ritzkola2302 Exactly. They didn't blow up each other because they had faith that Batman would stop Joker, and he did

I think The Dark Night joker is doing Batman a favour. I don't know if he do it intentionally, but I think so, based on the interrogation scene between Batman and the joker. He make the changes Batman haven't succeeded to do. He bancrupt the mafia while Batman have managed to be a boogey man to street level miscreants. He create a martyr for Gotham to look up to which can actually make political changes when Dent dies, a White Knight for the people, as opposed to Batmans Dark Night. They are both really mentally unstable freaks... Batman complete the Joker... but the Joker also complete Batman!

@@MrDanAng1 that's kinda the whole theme of the joker-batman relationship in tdk: you complete me

Knowing leto's other works I still cant blame him. That's all on the director and producers. Leto did the best he could with the basket full of crap he was given

Ledgers joker was written. Precisely. Taken from the greatest graphic novel ever penned. He had nothing to add but being what was written.

Flip More he still produced one of the best roles ever played in a superhero movie, regardless of the high level script that he was provided with.

@@bobbyrayvictory6905 hmm

@@Berdymadafakas That's not how acting works. You take what is written and work with your director to build a fully realized character out of the words. If you just act to what is written, you'll only ever play wooden, boring characters. Take the tongue thing that Ledger did; apparently he started that because the prosthetic was uncomfortable and Nolan liked it, so told him to do it on camera. Also, do you think that every mannerism, or even line of dialogue, of a character is written into the script? Again, not how that process works. Producers and/or directors won't buy scripts that have that level of detail in them. Scripts are broad strokes that everyone involved in the process builds upon and expands.

Nolan's joker is far better just because it didnt clearly ripooff two Scorsese movies.

My Username You’re wrong. There is much value in comparing them. We’re not trying to see which is better. We’re comparing and contrasting them to see their shared trates and differences.

@@MagiofAsura you cannot compare them, joaquin's joker is based on arthur fleck and would just talk about his mother while heath's isn't arthur and completely another character and would just talk about his father. Stop insulting yourself

Thanos Becomes Darkseid wow. It is almost as if there are differences between the characters which are interesting to look at and discuss. Talking about the characteristics of 2 things and how they are similar/*different* happens to be called “comparing”.

@@natebit7167 maybe. Just tired of people saying it's overrated or smth, i've seen someone say "i can't see joaquin phoenix fit in Suicide squad, i appereciate leto more" wtf? They are completely 2 different jokers and there are basically 3 jokers in each earth. That's my point

No phoenix is good because hes the most recent one he's good because of his acting everything in the movie

Agreed!!!

Derek Reyes that’s literally the worst reasons ever.

he could've been SHAKES THE CLOWN 2

This comparison is like comparing Bale's Batman with Batfleck. They represent the character at two different times in their lives. Joker is obviously an origin story and a brilliant one at that. Ledger's Joker is clearly a veteran anarchist, who just appears "out of the blue" in TDK, when his reputation should precede him.

I was going to say the same!!!

Jedistarship no

Where is Phoenix "Joker" going to find intelligence and charisma? He's 40 ,no signs of any of the characteristics required to be the Joker. The above are traits that one is born with, whether used for good or evil.

@@djkenjistar9502 This is a different take altogether from Ledger or even Nicholson's joker. Differences in Age, Character, Ego, etc. I personally Like Ledger Better but like all the different Spider-Man movies there is a little something to like about each of them. Phoenix's joker will probably center more of the Dramatic. Again, its something different.

@@djkenjistar9502 Arthur is in his early 30s in this movie which is the average age of joker so ido what you're saying

I agree!

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@@powangel1418 oh hi there

i have said this like 19298374 times and i'm going to say it again before someone continues saying "ledger > phoenix" You cannot compare ledger and phoenix, they are completely different and there are 3 jokers in every earth. Joaquin phoenix's is based on arthur fleck and would say "my mother" and is way older than batman while heath isn't and would say "my father" and isn't really old. Your welcome

GUYS? FOR REAL? WHY WOULD YOU DUMB DUMBS COMPARE AN INEXPERIENCE JOKER WHO JUST STARTED BEING A TYPE OF JOKER? AGAINST TO A JOKER WHO IS VERY EXPERIENCED. THEIR DIFFERENCE IS SIMPLE. LEDGER JOKER HAS A BATMAN. JOAQIN JOKER NO BATMAN. LEDGER JOKER BOX OFFICE ACTING. JOAQIN JOKER OSCARS ACTING. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

The Dark Knight Joker wasn't written as smart, he was written with plot armor. Plenty of his plans made no sense but just worked because the script wanted them to work.

@@Evil_Peter Exactly, getting inside a room full of gangsters and then killing one with a pen and showing a grenade won't stop a bullet to the head and will give enough time for people to cover from the explosion. Specially a grenade, their radius is super small, a dead body on top of it is close to enough to alliviate most of the blast.

Well let's be honest if there was a joker in real life he'd get assassinated within a week. The existence of joker in the comics and movies really only survive for plot purposes.

@Christian Stewart He didn't say that he did make sense.

@@Evil_Peter joker from dark knight is still very smart.

Nicholson's Joker was a class of his own as well. "As you can see, i'm now a lot happier. [proceeds to flamboyantly twirl while emptying a clip into his ex-boss, while a waltz plays in the background]"

Albastine S. Well Arthur JUST started. That’s a terrible point. Heath’s joker has been joker for a long time. We only saw Arthur’s ORIGIN.

Well, considering in Arthur's universe, Batman is just eight years old, I think he would stand a pretty decent chance. Besides, by the time Bruce does become Batman, Arthur would have been the Joker for years, so if anything Batman wouldn't stand a chance against Joker.

The whole movie was a transition from authur to joker. This is not a fair conclusion because we have not seen the true joker in the joker movie yet.

Yh, becuz it's an origin story. Stupid!!!

@@WreckingCritter i think he can barely walk when Bruce becomes the batman in that universe. But what if.... The actual joker was there and inspired by fleck, I mean the little girl might be catwoman in the future

You can easily evaluate which one is a better joker because we know what qualities the character must possess to be a good joker. Fleck doesnt have ANY of those qualities. He is Joker in name alone. He lacks charisma, the criminal genius, and the danger that is associated with the joker. Killing isnt enough to become the joker. Anyone can kill. In the end if the day, this is just a retelling of Taxi Driver.

@@MagiofAsura "You can easily evaluate which one is a better joker because we know what qualities the character must possess to be a good joker. " You're limiting the Joker to what YOU think he should be. They both portray very different Jokers...and they're both Joker.

Albastine S. Everything you said is just false. Stop pretending to be a joker expert little kid.

Blacklion how is it false? You don’t need to be a genius to know how the joker should be.

Arian Serrano oh is that so mr genius?

I don’t think that’s true because then he wouldn’t be so mysterious in the Dark Knight. It would be obvious he’s either Fleck or an old follower but nobody knows who Joker is or where he came from in Dark Knight when he just pops In outta no where. In the Joker film he kills a famous talk show host on live T.V and starts a massive political movement.

@@vinnie9458 the dn joker is most likely a soldier..

Huh... turns out that with this analysis, The Joker has magical anti-aging abilities that we’ve never heard of. You can’t have someone the same age be “the beginning”. Either that or he went from pansy to super joker overnight.

Wicked Ashtoreth there’s been multiple theories that the joker is actually ageless since his age has never been confirmed. On top of that you have beings that can grant people immortality within the Dc universe not to mention there is also the Lazarus pit. So everything mentioned here could be cannon. I hope you have a wonderful day. Stay blessed.

Mr.J Well I suppose you can count in the fountain of youth for the theory as well since Phoenix looks 50 and Ledger looks 20.

Only because it was a origin movie....

@@BABU-er7je A proper movie more like, instead of just another comic book tie-in. Ledger's Joker couldn't exist outside the DC universe. Phoenix's can exist both in and out of it

@@0401412740 "You talking to me?"

@@anonb4632 As if comic book movies aren't real movies.

@@thegrayghost1786 Most of the time they aren't. They're formulaic, badly made and lean heavily on their source universe.

Nigga have you ever heard of punctuation?

MyFathers TwoAcres I disagree. They cut anywhere from 30 minutes to almost an hour (I can’t remember which) of his scenes - like many were attacking Ayer of romanticizing Joker and Harley’s relationship, and after years of getting shit on for it, he revealed he DID have scenes that showed it was a toxic relationship. And then the idiotic studio hired the company that made wildly popular trailer set to “Bohemian Rhapsody”, and let THEM edit the movie. And since they seemed to have wanted their own “Guardians of the Galaxy” like crew, they’re going to cut some of those Joker scenes. And I doubt he got A LOT of say in character design. I actually like his Joker because of what he represents. Nicholson was designed and written as a mobster - makes sense given the mob prominence at the time. Ledger’s channeling a terrorist vibe - after 9/11 that makes sense as well. Leto’s Joker is more of a gang/crime boss - and A LOT of those guys (especially here in California) are tattooed from head to toe, and don’t go all out in choosing what clothes to wear most of the time. And how they go about doing business. I wish more people would reserve judgement just a little bit given he had so little time on screen - almost so little to form much of an opinion on him.

Mike Matei plays a better Joker than Leto

@@kimberlyhaines107 thats just it though. We didnt see that. We are judging what we got. If someome told you that they made you a killer plate of food but only set you a plate with like 5% of the ingredients. To you. It sucks. To the people who made the plate. It was perfect. We dont get to judge something if we never saw it

@@kimberlyhaines107 Darth Vader had 9 minutes of screen time in the original Star Wars. Lack of screen time is no excuse for a crappy bad guy.

Honestly, as much as i dislike Leto and despise his Joker, i consider him better than Phoenix's version. Ledger's Joker is one i can admire as a villain. Leto's Joker is one i can hate as a psychopathic monster. Phoenix's Joker maks me feelca mix of pity and disgust, and causing this kind of reaction is the antithesis of Joker's character core. (In fact, in most versions this kind of reaction would serve as his berserk button. The Joker doesn't care about pity. If he can't exploit you, drive you insane or at least scare you so shitless you start nodding and laughing to appease him, then you're worthless to him.)

Mental illness is not just brain damage. Anyone can become mentally ill over time. The Depression and Anxiety someone would have from the tragedies of modern life would still be considered mental illness. Therefore any case where someone becomes the Phoenix joker would within itself be considered about mental illness even if they don’t get actual physical brain damage. TLDR: Anyone who gets put into a bad state of mind like Phoenix joker would still be mentally ill

Disagree greatly... lmfao. Pheonix could not happen to anyone, he was mentally retarded.. the world didn't make him like they made it out to be in trailers... He has a laughing disorder, and is extremely awkward, and a head case. He's stupid. He kills for no reason, and reacts... he doesn't think anything through... Character study lol... Try to make it sound all deep, overrated garbage... I guess you can call it a character study, since it focuses on Joker, and there is no Batman... since they show his real life, and hide Heaths... but there's nothing to study, he doesn't make sense... he's not deep at all... he's just annoying, and snaps. Heath has depth, meaning.. his performance is tangible, understandable, thrilling, it makes sense, and when you see the character he looks insane, but feels real, like he could really happen.. Pheonix is annoying... doesn't feel real, feels like he's going to comic con... LOOK AT ME, I'M GONNA WIN AN OSCAR COPYING HEATH. The only difference is one performance is phenomenal, and the other is a cringeworthy rip off.... the phenomenal one is a smart, intellectual character... that could happen to anyone who just can't take it anymore... the other is a retard who wants to be Heath Ledgers Joker. lmfao.

"All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day."

I think that’s kind of the point of the movie. Everyone is being labeled as mentally ill when in fact it’s just normal

Ledger is my favorite joker

Perfectly said 👌🏾

Jayanta Barman why you gotta steal a comment

Yea, that was strange

Yea it had nothing really to do with the comics. They just shoe horned them in to use Joker in the title. Its really just a film.about mental health issues and social inequality

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Agree. Pheonixes joker was actually not very good at all. It was ok.boring imo. I am not sure where this hype comes from.

chille 3000 u can say that too not that it was boring but pheonixes joker looks like another character, in my opinion he didnt do the joker, he did another character but in a perfect way it was an oscar wining performance lets not forget that, but the sarcasem that ledger used and the action that he made, made more sens as a joker bequase joker is known for the action for the crimes that he does. pheonixes joker didnt do al the crimes and caos that hapend accidentaly.

@@ajetsela6137 it was an ok movie but i would never go to cinema to see it, if it was marketed as Arthur.i was scammed in a way

No. Nicholson's Joker wins

@@amitkenan3878 Ok then. Mark Hamill Joker for the win!

J B Mark is king🙋‍♂️

Mark will kill heath

Yeah but Joaquins joker has alot more men

Ledger is more accurate to the comics, in his personality and mentality

Amen.

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Dude, Joker's a genius tactician, inventor, chemist, engineer, etc. He's a way better character when his origin is "multiple choice" as Moore puts it. He's not just some guy with an obscure compulsive laughing disorder. He's an campy, larger-than-life diva who cackles like an idiot because he genuinely thinks he's hilarious. Phoenix's Arthur Fleck, while very sympathetic, is just a talentless klutz in clown makeup. A bitter, brooding, thoroughly mundane creep. No way this chump's fighting Batman. He has none of the characteristics which make the Joker fun and cool. Mark Hamill's renditions of the character have literally all of them. Hamill is the definitive Joker, just like Kevin Conroy is the definitive batman. I dunno how this is even a question. Hamill capture's that manic, obsessed energy perfectly. Best range, most time spent playing the role out of any performer in history, best Joker laugh by a ridiculously wide margin.

You should be top comment my guy.

Did we watch the same movie lol? While ur entitled to ur opinion of course, I completely disagree. I find the movie is perfect balancing that multiple choice aspect of his character showing how “Arthur” doesn’t know his own reality through the film and then by the end we don’t even know if that reality was ever real to begin with or if it was just a joke. And I totally agree with you the joker is a campy larger then life character which I think Phoenix pulls off brilliantly, he dances and layed back he even calls Murray “Murrayy” just to mess w him bc he’s so divaish. He laughs at his own joker hell even kisses the Doctor bc he just doesn’t care anymore. He acts as if every day is his last day on earth which is how the joker should be If anything I feel Phoenix’s Joker is the most like Hamil’s in that regard, he’s loud, he loves his style, his energey, he’s so theatrical. He also captures the Joker unpredictability (The whole scene w Gary) where you’re never sure if you should be afraid or laugh. I think “some guy with a laughing disorder” or a “talentless Klutz in makeup” is very big over simplification of the character and the movie. There’s so much depth to this character then that, it truly is a man having “one bad day”. Also while I love hamils laugh bc he sounds so chaotic my favorite is Phoenix for the pure reasoning behind it, he can’t cry he can only laugh and that’s so poetic for such a tragic figure like the Joker, this movie captures the idea of the killing joke that the jokers comedy steams from tragedy. And yes he’s not a chemical engineer, (it’s set in a realistic universe, I feel like that’s just so out of place for the story there telling). Also the idea of this guy could never take on Batman never made sense to me, 1.) this is a realistic universe and That idea really doesn’t effect the story they’re telling and 2.) the joker as we see if the events of the end are true Arthur already has a following and plenty of wannabe Hench men, I don’t think it would be that hard to get hostages to mess w Batman. It’s scary to think how much someone can get away with when they can manipulate mass amounts of people (Ex: Charles Manson). Also this is an origin story and by the very end of the film Phoenix hair is a bit gray he’s obviously a seasoned joker (seeing how he killed a therapist while being-handcuffed and got out of a what I assume a locked room) so who knows maybe he is a chemical geniuses all subjective which I love bc the joker is so subjective (one day he could be a terrorist while another he could literally set up a whole scheme just to throw a pie in Batman’s face). Obviously your still entitled to your opinion, but I still believe this is the peak of interpretation of this character due to the depth they took when developing this awesome film.

Elaborate, please? I'm unfamiliar with Columbo. How are the two related?

@@freddywilson6784 They sound more or less the same. When first I heard the Joker, I thought it was unique. I'm not a native english speaker, though.

Lorenzo D. Medici seems a little off since Heath Ledger wasn’t 50 years old... this is just another remake that flopped in comparison to Ledger because the entertainment industry is no longer entertaining.

@@wickedashtoreth9577 I admit my idea wasn't perfect, that's why I said Kind of. But in terms or personalities and craziness Ledger's Joker would logically come after in the timeline. N.B. there's not really a specific Joker origin story which leaves a lot of space for creativity and interpretation.

@@wickedashtoreth9577 umm no the movie didn't flop wtf

@@wickedashtoreth9577 and it's not a remake

Ledger joker was probably ex military with ptsd not a guy with social issues

Are you dumb

That's because Joaquin is an overrated rip off of Heaths amazing performance... Joaquins sucked imo, overrated, cringe worthy... all he did was get skinny... they threw Scorceses name on it... made it dramatic, and non comic book ish... they aimed for an Oscar... it's overrated garbage.... All he did with his overrated performance was laugh really loud, abruptly stop, talk like a little boy "my mother says blah blah blah", be very shy, awkward, stupid.... then dance completely out of character, very excitingly, very faggy, like it's his big gay broadway break, which was hard to watch... and also smoke, and walk like a badass.... Extremely cringe. Also his Joker was stupid, and didn't make sense with anything he did. It's very cringe to watch him try to play Joker better than Heath, while copying what made Heath great, while also pretending to be different... but not different at all... copied his Anarchist become a symbol ideology... copied his long hair (Joker never had long hair besides Heath), copied his makeup (Joker never had makeup before Heath), copied his dirtyness, copied his seriousness. So cringe to watch for me... I thought he was awful, and hard to watch... I expected him to be great too.

@@batman4452 you don't listen do you ?

@@batman4452 You're dumbass

Heath Forever

Batman mans going dumb hard for what

@Cactus Jack I;m with you. Joaquin's Joker is far more terrifying to me because he can influence crowds (society). I can fight a guy one on one. I can't defeat a crowd.

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Cause its funny. Its the invisible glass door prank where people slam into thinking there's nothing there.

Good observation. The outer door he tries to walk in says entrance and is green with white lettering. The door with the the censor he attempts to flag says entrance but it's on the inner pane. You are supposed to walk in and turn left to enter. Walk out and turn left to exit. Take note ScreenCrush

My reaction. Hahahaha wtf