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The Terrible Fate Of Marie Antoinette's Children | The Lost Dauphin of France And His Siblings 

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Marie Antoinette is famous for being the last Queen of France before the French Revolution, wearing high fashion, and supposedly being completely dismissive of the poor. But her eight forgotten children, four of them adopted, tell another story. The guillotine's most famous victim could be a kind mother, who had a big heart. But what happened to these children, especially those who survived 'The Terror'?...
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@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you for watching! And apologies if I've butchered the French language! Do you believe the stories surrounding the children, or were they just rumours spread by royalists?
@tamsel814
@tamsel814 Год назад
these kids being alive was a problem for the revolutionist. With these kids alive the royalists had hope and someone to rally behind. While I dont think they outright tried to kill them, they had no reason to take good care of them. I think they did the minimum needed to keep the kids alive, but no more then that. maybe be a bit late with calling doctors etc, just hoping that natural causes would kill the them.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@tamsel814 I agree, I think the truth lies somewhere about there, as well. It was certainly EASIER if Louis Charles wasn't around, and France's laws banning females from the line of succession meant Marie Therese wasn't as much of a threat.
@pgonyea
@pgonyea Год назад
I happen to be related to her first adopted child.
@luciollelsa
@luciollelsa Год назад
Here is a little tip, when there is 2 letter "l" after an "i" like guillotine so it should sound gui-yo-teen.
@carolesmith2619
@carolesmith2619 Год назад
@@luciollelsa 👍👍👍👍
@kellykelley2649
@kellykelley2649 Год назад
France has apologized for the misinformation campaign that created these horrible myths: "the green necklace" and "let them eat cake" etc. Marie actually started the first bread houses to feed those in need and she started the first French Orphanages ... and more ... anyone who is interested in Marie's history - I recommend: Marie Antoinette by Stefan Zweig - a brilliant iconic biography
@servraghgiorsal7382
@servraghgiorsal7382 Год назад
Not actually true. In england, it was a charitable duty for aristocratic women to distribute bread and alms to the poorer people who lived on their ( husband's ) estate. When they left their country home, the landowner provided an ox to be roasted chicken and distributed. Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire, was a good friend of Mar. Antoinette and Duchesse? Countess? De Polignac. They all loved to gamble, and M. A gave Dss of Dev thousands of Livre towards paying off her gambling debts . e
@kellykelley2649
@kellykelley2649 Год назад
@@servraghgiorsal7382 I was talking about France not England - In France they had the poor line up and watch the King and Queen eat. When Marie wouldn't eat in front of them, she was told it was to show the poor that the King and Queen were healthy and fed on their labor - she told them this would be unheard of in Austria. Again - not England - gambling was an aristocratic pastime that many took part in - I studied Marie, Cleopatra and Elizabeth the First - all at one time in charge of their PR and also victims of it. History is written by the victor - has nothing to do with the truth. QE1 Truth is discovered over time ... look at Issaac Newton - perfect example of people re-writing and "telling tales" or burning of papers ...to fit a narrative ... it's always in the next century when new eyes dig deeper.
@DC-bp8sx
@DC-bp8sx Год назад
@@kellykelley2649exactly right, I’d be fascinated to see what people say about current political figures in 100 years when the media and journalists aren’t being paid off or rubbing shoulders at dinner parties with the high and mighty elite. I’d be fascinated to hear what educated eyes that have no political interest, nor gain any benefit or disadvantage from having their own opinions, would have to say in 100 years. By then, the current powers that be won’t be In power and no one will want to fund payoffs for their long dead relatives from 100 years ago.
@Vee_of_the_Weald
@Vee_of_the_Weald Год назад
@@kellykelley2649 Please use her full first name Marie-Antoinette as just Marie is a) confusing as in France, many women are called Marie-Something (my ants are Marie-Claude and Marie-Bernadette, si if I were to talk about “marie” only, it just doesn’t work) b) incomplete
@kellykelley2649
@kellykelley2649 Год назад
@@Vee_of_the_Weald as she was the topic of the video and thread - I thought that was clear
@emeraldblue5291
@emeraldblue5291 Год назад
Imagine being 14, married to someone (a 15yo at that) you've never seen, put in a coach for hours across Europe, stopped in the woods, stripped naked, dressed in French clothes and having your entire identity erased? All being spoken to in a language you don't understand. That scene has always stayed with me. Talk about terrifying.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
All I can think about is how lost teenagers can feel anyway in unknown situations, but to also have the pressure of being queen of an entire country that hated her from the moment she arrived...well, it's amazing that anyone expected them to immediately become the perfect royal couple.
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Год назад
Marie-Antoinette spoke French when she arrived in France. Still, this change of life was quite brutal, it is true. But every princes experienced it when they got married, not only her. Life was hard for women.
@bidules
@bidules Год назад
This is purely anachronism...do not compare her time with your 21st century eyes
@Moonlitwatersofaqua
@Moonlitwatersofaqua Год назад
It was really hard for her. Marie was a bit of a tomboy in her youth so it was hard for her to adjust to the much more conservative french court. The lavish gowns she wore as a teenager were one of the only ways she could express herself.
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Год назад
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua Maria Teresa of Austria and her husband had a very "bourgeoise" life, less formal than the French court, but it does not mean they were not conservative. On the contrary : both were very religious and the Austrian Court was not reknown for its modernism and interest in Enlightment. As a person, Marie-Antoinette was all along her life very conservative, as her behaviour during the French Revolution will prove it. And the young Maria Antonietta had nothing to do with what we call a tomboy. You are right when you say that her taste for fashion was a way to express herself. But not "against" the French Court, far from that : as a child, she was shallow, her mother always complained about her lack of interest for anything intellectual. So, once in France, in a Court where appearance was so important, Marie-Antoinette was suddenly able to experience exactly what she was always fond of : fashion and her shallowness. Nobody in the French Court criticized her dresses (if not the money she spent in them). On the contrary, her mother was furious against her daughter (the Austrian ambassador used to write every details of Marie-Antoinette's life to her mother, including fashion). In contrast to many queens in Europe, Marie-Antoinette had a freedom that few of them ever enjoyed (see the life of Queen Charlotte of England. Who remember the names of the queens of Sweden, of Russia, of Spain, of Prussia, etc, etc, in the same period ?)
@mimsydreams
@mimsydreams Год назад
This made me feel incredibly sad for her children. People focus so much on her and the King, and they never mention her children and all of the pain and suffering put on them while they were just small kids.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
I think up to a point, heartless as it sounds, what happened to the children was just treated as collateral damage. The very extreme Revolutionaries were too focused on their end goal to worry too much about the children.
@KittyStarlight
@KittyStarlight Год назад
Reminds me also of Cleopatra's children. Which is another very sad story. 😢😥 Not fair what happens to the kids in a lot of these sorts of situations. 😡
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@KittyStarlight Yes, that's another example! Complete with the stories afterwards of Caesarean managing to escape and living somewhere else.
@ligaskirbauska8652
@ligaskirbauska8652 Год назад
Russian Tzar children had the worst faith compared to these children
@janewright315
@janewright315 Год назад
​@@ligaskirbauska8652 not at all
@heathercontois4501
@heathercontois4501 Год назад
I feel bad for Marie. The people hated her because she was Austrian, then she was kept out of state affairs, never trained in her position but her mother, filled the emptiness in her marriage with frivolity that she was already surrounded by in the somewhat cloistered French court. It was a recipe for disaster.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Exactly this! She was set up to fail, in many ways. Mending the damage between the two countries by marriage was probably a good idea, but why her mother didn't help prepare her better for being a queen is a total mystery. 🤔
@wordforger
@wordforger Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople SERIOUSLY. Maria Therese was a genius. She didn't bother teaching her daughter her skills? But then... Marie Antoinette was the second to last of sixteen children and her mother was an empress in her own right. No doubt mom was busy much of the time and the girl's education wasn't her first concern.
@mimsydreams
@mimsydreams Год назад
@@wordforger Maybe. But you would think, once the marriage was approved and a sure thing, she would at least sit her daughter down and give her a crash course or something. She just threw her to the wolves. How would this treaty between the two countries work out, if her daughter wasn't prepared?
@osmanthuswine190
@osmanthuswine190 Год назад
It was really odd that her mother, an Empress, didn't even let her know what being queen entails 😭 If I was an Empress and my daughters are poised to be queens someday, I would've made sure they are prepared to govern a whole ass country OR at least educate a future monarch as a mother 😭
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@osmanthuswine190 I think what makes it even odder is that Maria Theresa was a really good ruler as Holy Roman Empress. But I suppose she did end up having sixteen children, and perhaps if you have sixteen children while running a whole empire, maybe it's difficult to teach everything that's needed to be known in time? Plus, for all of Marie Antoinette's good qualities, I don't think she was (and this is just my opinion!) the sharpest knife in the drawer. Both she and Louis XVI seem to have been nice enough in their own way, but not especially astute - especially when it came to the mood of the French people - and perhaps her mother had tried to teach her what she knew, but it just hadn't really stuck? Plus there was Marie Antoinette's age. Maybe if everyone had held the marriage off for a few years, it would have been enough for a little more grounding, as well.
@paulakaysmith9151
@paulakaysmith9151 9 месяцев назад
Marie was a scapegoat and she was a very good mother!
@mandychapin9411
@mandychapin9411 Год назад
I think Marie was highly misunderstood. She had a huge heart for those who suffered. She was known for spotting starving people on the streets, and making sure they were fed and cared for.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
There are definitely two versions of Marie Antoinette, if it can be put that way, and sometimes the truth needs digging for. I agree, something that often gets forgotten is that she did try to help the poor in a way she thought would help...but equally didn't do much to help with political policies that might have helped more. And I think maybe that came down to the fact that Marie Antoinette was a kind-hearted person, but not a politically minded one.
@georginamannor4373
@georginamannor4373 Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople we
@fly89
@fly89 Год назад
history is written by the winner..
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@fly89 Absolutely true!
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken Год назад
she had a heart big enough to fill it with ignorance
@jjgems5909
@jjgems5909 Год назад
The children didn’t deserve any of this. How horrific.
@servraghgiorsal7382
@servraghgiorsal7382 Год назад
Maybe theydidnt deserve fear, violence, imprisonment, refugee status and all the rest,. But neither do the millions of refugee children who survive in horrific conditions today. We need to save our sympathy for victims today.
@shizukagozen777
@shizukagozen777 Год назад
They didn't but they were a threat because they could have claimed the throne much later.
@crucialtaunt5717
@crucialtaunt5717 Год назад
@@servraghgiorsal7382 You don't need to tell anyone how to feel. Feeling sympathy for victims of the past takes nothing away from current day victims.
@peterjpcritchley173
@peterjpcritchley173 Год назад
@@servraghgiorsal7382 Either one has sympathy or one does not; it is a natural rather than a rational quality, and exists on a continuum. Those who are selective in this respect are deficient.
@jadedgal05
@jadedgal05 Год назад
@@servraghgiorsal7382 - READ THE ROOM. Being sympathetic to these children doesn’t curtail any sympathy we might feel for children today. You’re a steaming pile.
@Itried20takennames
@Itried20takennames Год назад
Poor Marie Terese…she may have been homesick for France while older and in England, but if I had went through what she did, as a totally innocent little girl, I don’t think I would be too eager to return to France.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Same here! I can imagine it was a strange experience. Possibly she hoped going back might give her a fresh start, but of course, she found herself unable to trust anyone who had supported the Republic.
@A.Girl.Has.No.Name.
@A.Girl.Has.No.Name. Год назад
How incredibly sad. Regardless of what their parents did, the children were innocent, and should have been treated as such.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
That's my feelings, too. I feel the children were punished simply for who their parents were - having said that, it was also a time where childhood and children's innocence weren't really an accepted idea yet.
@christigoth
@christigoth 11 месяцев назад
Their parents didn't do anything deserving of this mistreatment. They weren't killed for crimes. they were killed due to the murderous minds of the revolutionaries, who went on to kill hundreds of thousands of people for political reasons alone, the "Reign of Terror". There is NO comparison to the American Revolution- different continent from Britain, we did not kill our monarch, we had been running our own colonies for over a hundred years already. Electing our own governors etc making our own laws. And were NOT being represented in the British Parliament at all. ETC. We were colonies, ready to become a country, we did not take over Britain. But the British soldiers occupied our homes and fired the first shot that started the War.
@katalinjuhasz641
@katalinjuhasz641 8 месяцев назад
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@ad6417
@ad6417 Месяц назад
Louis and Marie were saints. You have no idea what you are saying. They truly were martyrs.
@seasonsoflife1324
@seasonsoflife1324 Год назад
It’s always so sad to hear about children being ill treated those poor babies even if they were “royalty” they were still babies. Thank you for the history lesson
@mortyjansen399
@mortyjansen399 Год назад
Ohhh bless you. - in that age. This was not even the worst “ill treated” children experienced.
@christigoth
@christigoth 11 месяцев назад
"even if they were royalty" huh? the adults didn't even deserve to be mistreated either! are you a royalty hater?
@AnthonyFelixCano
@AnthonyFelixCano Год назад
I listened to this while making some spaghetti and maaan it was a wild ride. History will always be way better than any movie
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It really is! I never understand when historical films aren't accurate because there's seriously no need to make extra stuff up.
@Lostinamomentillnevergetback
Truth always weighs out.
@forshizzlemywizzle
@forshizzlemywizzle Год назад
I mean not to mention spaghetti. Spaghetti will always be better than a movie.
@LilAngelPrincess95
@LilAngelPrincess95 9 месяцев назад
Funny, I was eating spaghetti while listening to this
@leavesofgold3479
@leavesofgold3479 11 месяцев назад
My heart broke over listening to what Louis Charles endured.
@christigoth
@christigoth 11 месяцев назад
i know, that is heart- rending!
@kathy2539
@kathy2539 Год назад
The French Royals demise and the suffering of their children is as tragic as the Romanovs of Russia. Often, today, I watch appalled, as the French celebrate Bastille Day, when I think of what was to occur after these events to the Royal family. I often think about the lost Dauphin and what they did to him before his death, that poor boy. Horrible! Isn't it wonderful how a nation can forget their past evil, and go about celebrating it! And aren't we all guilty of it?
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
I think certainly almost all the wealthier nations do it at some point - mine included! I think it's difficult when your present reality is, at least in part, thanks to an event that also included some bloodshed. I know it's not the same, but I still inwardly shudder when I see a Guy Fawkes effigy planted on a bonfire over here - happens less now, but still happens sometimes. It wasn't just him, AND he was hung, drawn, and quartered, I feel it's too much to still be burning the poor guy centuries later!
@ticketyboo2456
@ticketyboo2456 Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople considering he was a terrorist I don't feel bad.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@ticketyboo2456 That's fine - my point is it's a simplistic interpretation of what happened on the 5th November. Guy Fawkes didn't work alone (wasn't even one of the ringleaders), but still he takes all the blame. What about the others, such as Robert Catesby? And to persecuted Catholics, he was a freedom fighter. Where do we decide that line is drawn? History always has a bias, and two sides.
@nomadpurple6154
@nomadpurple6154 Год назад
It's the only way to remove a dictatorship. The parents are responsible for the destiny of their children, they could, at any time, choose to renounce the power and wealth which they have done nothing to earn and are not entitled to. Then they could work to raise their children and keep them safe. Choices were made on both sides and the many children who suffered much worse are never remembered because their lives didn't count then and still don't.
@argonanarchy3820
@argonanarchy3820 Год назад
@@nomadpurple6154 I still don't think those children should have been punished for their parents actions. What if you're dad assaulted someone and you were sent to jail? Where is the justice there? It's just dumb
@savedbygrace1582
@savedbygrace1582 Год назад
Anyone else impressed with this storyteller's absolutely amazing talent?
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Aww, that's very kind of you to say so. 😊
@salvelegio1425
@salvelegio1425 Год назад
Once I, almost by accident, visited a mansion in the mid part of Sweden. At this mansion lived the sister of Axel von Fersen. In her bed chamber hanging on the wall was a painting. This painting depicting two children was sent by Marie Antoinette to Axel and then given to his sister.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
They were, at least, intensely close friends, so there would be gifts. Whether or not they were actual lovers is still a matter of huge debate!
@cindearbuckle6074
@cindearbuckle6074 Год назад
Always fascinated by Marie Antoinette I believe she wanted to be a good queen wife and mother. It’s too bad the children her son especially had to go thru such torture and heartaches.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It is sad, but at least her daughter survived to an old age, which is always something of a revenge. I think Marie Antoinette wanted to be a good queen as well, but she was hampered by a lot of outside factors, as well as being unprepared for the role.
@bonkersmyboi5317
@bonkersmyboi5317 Год назад
I've always wondered what happened to her children. Not many people go this in depth into them. Great video!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
@anotherjunkie2
@anotherjunkie2 Год назад
So tragic 😢 for these children …all of them
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It really was - I must admit, when I researched them I hoped at least one did well! To be fair, Marie Therese at least had, by all accounts, a happy marriage, and she was surrounded by other members of her family for the rest of her life, so that's something. And we don't really know what happened to Jeanne, so I'm hoping she and her sisters went on to have happy lives. 👍
@jamesr1703
@jamesr1703 Год назад
Fascinating. You'd think that they would have all lived splendid lives, but much to the contrary.
@etoiledemer99
@etoiledemer99 Год назад
Beautifully put together! So few people know about this side of Marie Antoinette's life.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken Год назад
is that why she never mentioned the people and how they suffered; while she was writing her last letter?
@etoiledemer99
@etoiledemer99 Год назад
@@ChickenMcThiccken what?
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken Год назад
@@etoiledemer99 WHAT? when they imprisoned antoinette before her execution. she was writing a final letter . in that letter; she only talked about some kids of hers ; but made no mention of the public suffering she was being executed for.
@toniremer1594
@toniremer1594 Год назад
I’m so incredibly happy that I have subscribed to your channel, because I had forgotten about the children of Marie Antoinette (I learned about them in high school). IF Marie Antoinette was able to watch this, she’d be so extremely grateful for the amount of research, knowledge, compassion and love that you have put into this video. You’ve done such a phenomenal job at making Marie Antoinette look like a down to earth woman, and not what the wrongful myths bestowed upon her by her enemies ( ie “let them eat cake”), BUT it was Jean-Jacques Rousseau that wrote that very saying in his book, which was titled “Confessions,” that was written in 1765 - when Marie Antoinette was only 9 years of age, and she wasn’t even a queen yet. Yes, she spent extravagantly, on herself, but she also spent quite a bit of money to open up orphanages and bread kitchens, which could be the birth of soup kitchens across the world. Of course, she isn’t given credit for starting these wonderful things, because her “enemies” wanted to usurp her, and the king, from the get-go. She definitely didn’t deserve to be beheaded for her spending, because, in my opinion, that’s not considered to be a treasonous crime. Can you possibly imagine what her enemies would think of how much SOME royalty, along with those who are mega-rich, spend on themselves today?? They’d probably have grand strokes or heart attacks. Despite all of what she had been accused of, she’s an absolute legend. As long as people, like you, make videos about the real truth about Marie Antoinette, we can stomp out the dishonesties said about her. As I said, this was a very phenomenal video, and you did Marie Antoinette proud!!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Wow, thank you so much! It makes it worth even more to know that people enjoy my videos and the way I try (it's not always possible, admittedly) to see the human side of people - the truth, if possible. 😊 I agree that Marie Antoinette was definitely extravagant, but as you say, she did put some of that money to good use, and what is often forgotten in modern times is that the royalty were expected to spend lavishly in order to behave and appear as royalty. The problem really was that public feeling was turning against this, but Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette had been brought up to understand that was how they had to behave. One flaw in someone's personality caused by their upbringing, is certainly not, in my humble opinion, an entire person's character!
@ChrystalHallam
@ChrystalHallam Год назад
Sadly, we are still victims of propaganda, even in today's world. People never stop to think for themselves.
@christigoth
@christigoth 11 месяцев назад
her spending could have been limited by t he parliament they had then, Estates- general or something like that. So there was no excuse to hold it against her.
@user-ht7xu1ev3f
@user-ht7xu1ev3f 2 месяца назад
poor Marie Therese and Louis Charles I wish I could give them a big hug they didn't deserve this
@Lulu-ut9pv
@Lulu-ut9pv Год назад
It's so sad how these children where treated.... like pawns
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It seems to be a bit of a pattern for royal and noble children, sadly! I certainly think they were just seen as a way to get what people in the new power wanted. I do wonder what might have happened to Louis Charles had he not died from tuberculosis. His sister was eventually freed, but as he became a teenager, he might have been more of a threat as the royalists tried to free him?
@Tugela60
@Tugela60 Год назад
That was pretty much how all children were treated at the time though.
@Realalma
@Realalma Год назад
@@Tugela60 yes.. all royal children. It must have been extremely difficult to have your child taken (especially the boys) as wards of the courts at very young ages.
@Pollicina_db
@Pollicina_db Год назад
@@Realalma why especially the boys???
@taniaramaki5142
@taniaramaki5142 Год назад
I have graduated from french school the story of the revolution and the sad end of the monarchs were taught to us in detail but the adopted children were never mentioned it is very interesting to find out about them
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It's not something that is well known, it's true! I suppose as they were not the royal family they were allowed to simply fade into the background, they weren't important to the Revolutionaries. Having said that, if Armand had lived longer, I think they would have used him leaving the royal family to join the rebels as propaganda.
@milliondahlia8780
@milliondahlia8780 Год назад
Tania, unfortunately, in many countries, in schools, they only teach what the local governments believe fits with their own mentality, never the full facts! I lived in France X many years and never knew anything about this 😱 PS, i write parodies etc ..in French etc..on UT, Million Dahlia, Happy new Year 🎈🤗
@amandagrace31
@amandagrace31 10 месяцев назад
20:30 this is so heartbreaking. I am so close to my mom and a mother and daughter bond can be so special. I bet Marie Antoinnette was a great mom.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 10 месяцев назад
For all of her faults, Marie Antoinette certainly does seem to have a good, caring mother, and was very close to all of her children.
@jenfnp
@jenfnp Год назад
Thank you for this. I have done extensive reading on MA. There seems to be a tendency for folks to judge historical figures by 21st century standards. I see MA as woman of her time, limited in some ways and wonderfully loving in many other ways. Hope others will read about her and soften their attitudes.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I hope you enjoyed the video. 😊 I think it's always difficult when there are elements of the past that look (or sometimes are!) similar to the present, and the urge is to know someone else went through something similar, or had a leader who was just as hated, etc. I agree Marie Antoinette was very much of her time, particularly of the royal social order which was still expected at the time regardless of poverty. I think she and Louis XVI were just not able to accurately understand the way the wind was changing, whether to just not being adept to it, or the fact that living at Versailles was so far removed from reality.
@mimine93ser42
@mimine93ser42 Год назад
Who's judging her by 21st standards ? just curious
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 Год назад
Read Antonia Fraser’s biography of Marie
@ashalaska3685
@ashalaska3685 Год назад
too bad nobody treats any of the actual revolutionaries with the people's best interests in mind this way
@T6706K
@T6706K Год назад
They do that currently about white people and slaves.
@KCohere33
@KCohere33 4 месяца назад
I just listened to an audiobook about poor Louis Charles and it was even worse than I imagined. I seriously wanted to cry. The cruelty just never ended.
@annacobb1140
@annacobb1140 10 месяцев назад
The poor woman. She was forced and molded into an "indulgent" scapegoat. She was a child! They told her to act the way she did and she did. It killed her
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 10 месяцев назад
She definitely was a scapegoat, that's true. Don't get me wrong, Marie Antoinette wasn't perfect, and she absolutely overspent when she was a teenager - but I'd love to find someone who was in her position who wouldn't have. At that time, there was an expectation that royalty should look and present themselves a certain way, and when she grew older and had her children, Marie Antoinette changed a lot. A huge amount of France's debt was actually due to sending sums of money to the U.S. in its fight for independence, and Louis XVI tried to put in place laws that would relieve taxes on people, but the Church prevented them going through as this would have negatively affected it. It was way more complicated than 'Marie Antoinette buys lots of jewels and dresses = everyone else is poor and hungry", but it's far easier to whip people into a frenzy for your own ends if you have a single target.
@katalinjuhasz641
@katalinjuhasz641 8 месяцев назад
NAGYON IGAZA VAN ÖNNEK, MINDEN KIRÁLYI UDVAR IGY ÉLT. FELHZTÁK VIDÉKRÖL A CSOCSELÉKET ÉS 10 MILLIO HALOTT LETT. EZ A FELFORGATÁS RABLÁS VOLT A CÉL. UGYANAZ A FAJTA AKI OROSZ FORRADALMAT SZERVEZTE@@HistorysForgottenPeople
@MidnightAndLuna
@MidnightAndLuna Год назад
Truly fascinating! I never knew much about her children. I remember the story of what she said about her daughter, that she belonged to her instead of the country. Other than that, not much.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Same here, I didn't know much either, until I began researching them. I also didn't know Marie-Therese had written a memoir, which is where a lot of the information about what happened in the Temple Tower comes from.
@kathy2539
@kathy2539 Год назад
You have to wonder what Marie Therese was feeling when her Uncle was King and she returned to France with her husband! Many of those who were members of the Revolution would still have been alive, personally I would've wanted revenge or to spit in their faces if they ever came near me! It must have been horrible to be back amongst them!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
I think there's a lot of evidence she had a hard time trusting anyone who had supported the Republic, and I agree, it must have been horrible for her. What made it worse is that she had to leave again in 1830!
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Год назад
In his last letter and testament, Louis XVI asked his children not to seek revenge for his death. Because he knew something : if you seek revenge, especially when you rule a country, it is the better way to start or restart a civil war. Louis XVI was obviously more clever than his younger brother, Charles X, who wanted revenge : as a result, he lost his throne, and had to leave France once again 🙂 Of course, I am not saying that revenge is not a "natural" feeling. But you can't let revenge lead your life.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@heliedecastanet1882 It certainly sounds as though Louis XVI was aware of the danger of provoking people once more. He was probably also thinking as a father - it must have been terrifying to leave children behind and be unable to prevent whatever may happen to them, and at least in asking them to stand down he could imagine it would help them survive.
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople It rather sounds like someone who thinks of all the potential victims from revenge. It sounds above all like the letter of someone who perhaps has not been the best king of France, but who surely knew what a king should be : someone who reunites people, not divides them. That is what his brother Louis XVIII understood too when he came back. And this is exactly what the last brother did not understand, that makes him loose his throne.
@ashalaska3685
@ashalaska3685 Год назад
actually oppression of the people is bad fun fact
@jenniferelkins
@jenniferelkins Год назад
This is so tragic, but I learned so much. Thank you!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@mdc3148
@mdc3148 Год назад
Definitely should make a video on Marie Antoinette’s great grand niece and nephew, Carlota of Mexico and Emperor Maximilian! Great photos!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm pleased you enjoyed it. 😊 And I'll make a note of that, thanks for the suggestion!
@mdc3148
@mdc3148 Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I did enjoy! And if you ever do make one, it would be awesome if it didn’t have a Republican slant to it. Mexican conservatives/monarchists elected Maximilian as emperor and they were the first to speak to Empress Eugenie of France about the situation and to get the ball rolling. Everyone makes it look like Napoleon III invaded and set him up as puppet. The conservatives had the intention of electing a Mexican monarch for years, ever since the 1st Mexican empire was formed during independence! The Mexican empire had the support of the Mexican nobility, clergy, many native groups that saw Maximilian as a fair ruler, and locals who joined the Imperial army which was supplemented by French support. The Emperor also stood up to Napoleon III when he did not hand over the mines to him but said those resources are for his new adopted country.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@mdc3148 I like it ! I've definitely put it on my list for a future video.
@shamarunger5908
@shamarunger5908 Год назад
Thanks Miranda! I'm just a person who enjoys history documentaries. :) I have no background or education in that area. I enjoy that you cover stories that I have read/watched much about but you give me all this other "little" details that are so filling for the whole picture. I really appreciate it!!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
I always find all the little bits the most satisfying part of the bigger picture, sometimes. 😊
@carolmurray187
@carolmurray187 Год назад
All those poor wee children.
@TuckerSP2011
@TuckerSP2011 Год назад
I really enjoyed this, in a very sad way. It was informative and your graphics and the artwork used were just beautiful.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you so much! You're right, it's good to learn about, but it was disappointing to find out it wasn't a very happy ending for most of them.
@philomena3529
@philomena3529 Год назад
That was interesting informative and very enjoyable. You are a natural narrator, so pleasant to listen to. Thank you for telling that story.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, that's very kind of you! 😊 I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@smokerings9588
@smokerings9588 Год назад
Your channel is fascinating andi just had to subscribe. The topic of history's forgotten people is a personal favorite.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you so much! Glad to have you here. 😊
@kaykay757a
@kaykay757a Год назад
The wet nurse did it. She should have been replaced after infecting the first son. So sad 😢
@Celisar1
@Celisar1 Год назад
This video has it all! Very good and engaging narration, very interesting content and beautiful music :) Thank you.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
You're very welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
@JaRule6
@JaRule6 Год назад
Excellent video! I have read a biography about Marie Antoinette and I do not remember all those details about the children so thank you for that. I think I'm going to have to look for a better biography and read about her life again 🤘❤️🙏🏻
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊 There certainly isn't as much on her children, it's true. If you're interested, I've put a link in the description of a book about Marie Therese, her daughter, that I used when I was researching this video. It was really detailed, and had a lot of information of what happened in the Temple Tower.
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 Год назад
The one by Antonia Fraser is excellent!
@danatowne5498
@danatowne5498 Год назад
I think about these people whenever I hear about "the horrors of the church" in modern times. We would all do better to have a sense of history and humanity in general. People use all sorts of excuses to be cruel to each other, anything used as a scapegoat is just that.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
I agree wholeheartedly - the question should always be who wants everyone at each other's throats? The majority of people, I think, just want to get along but someone will always be willing to use discontent to their own ends.
@danatowne5498
@danatowne5498 Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople , exactly! Thanks so much for your reply, I really wasn't expecting one. :) This is excellent work particularly because you DO focus on the humanity - thank you very much for your content!
@Ella-gx2wq
@Ella-gx2wq Год назад
Thank you for your take on this, you are a creative soul who's bringing awareness to so much history ❤️
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, that's very kind of you to say so. 😊
@foodlover2236
@foodlover2236 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for this wonderful video
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 10 месяцев назад
You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
@SalimahRahman
@SalimahRahman Год назад
I feel sorry for her and all her family.
@annecc11
@annecc11 Год назад
Thank you, I learnt a lot from this documentary not least of all, the children of Versailles.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@a.jlondon9039
@a.jlondon9039 Год назад
Excellent video!
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@littlebrookreader949
@littlebrookreader949 Год назад
EXCELLENT. KINDLY DONE. BEAUTIFUL, MELODIC MUSIC. ❤️❤️❤️
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you! 😊 I'm pleased you enjoyed it so much.
@annapetrash5093
@annapetrash5093 Год назад
Beautiful paintings
@SilverSunPublishing
@SilverSunPublishing Год назад
It's very strange that so many of the children died young like that. The times were very turbulent, and I wonder if the cause of death was actually a poison, and intentional, to cause the royal family distress.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Well, there's no proof of it, but I guess you can't rule it out. The rate of death for younger children was very high even then, and I think possibly there was a genetic issue seeing as many of them developed tuberculosis (maybe like an immune disorder). There's no proof of that either, mind you, that's just me guessing! 🙂
@FireMageLayn
@FireMageLayn Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople not a genetic issue, but tuberculosis can remain dormant in the lungs for years, even decades, before becoming active. Their nursemaid could have infected all of the children at the same time, and then they died off one by one as periods of ill health weakened their body and caused the TB to become active. TB inspired vampire stories, because of the way it would go through households, each successive family member becoming sick and wasting away as if they were being drained from beyond the grave.
@soniamacdonald9193
@soniamacdonald9193 Год назад
The palace at Versailles was overcrowded and very unsanitary, so infections of any type among the young and the weak would have run riot.
@jennh2096
@jennh2096 Год назад
Mortality rates for children were very high back then, and were in fact, even higher in royal families because of the amount of inbreeding that went on which led to all kinds of inherited genetic disorders that were not know or identified back then.
@sheilareeves-pierre8697
@sheilareeves-pierre8697 Год назад
They didn't all die . I'm a direct descendant. It came up when I did a DNA test thru 2 companies at the same time . Some history gets erased. I have no clue as to how ...but I legit am a descendant.
@summerwine121
@summerwine121 11 месяцев назад
My heart always breaks and i feel teary when thinking of the ordeal that poor boy of hers went throught and how he died. Royalty or not, it s was so cruel 😢
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 11 месяцев назад
I think the children on all sides, rich or poor, were definitely the losers in the conflict, sadly - much as today, I suppose.
@vernette39
@vernette39 Год назад
Thanks for this history lesson.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
You're welcome, I hope you enjoyed the video! 😊
@jdee4956
@jdee4956 Год назад
What happened to the children was very cruel - they were innocents. Remember, also, the terrible and prolonged suffering which drove the poor to revolt.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Absolutely! The poverty the ordinary people lived in was horrendous, and it was quite right that they had a revolution and changed things for the better. But what started as good intentions quickly became quite bloody, and that's when issues arose.
@trinamcgarvey-vw7ke
@trinamcgarvey-vw7ke Год назад
The suffering of the citizenry, instead of making them empathetic, made them even more cruel than those who had abused them. The suffering of innocents never pleases God. We cannot place blame on others for our actions.
@christigoth
@christigoth 11 месяцев назад
The Estates or Parliament was at fault for much of that. They didn't care that much about the commoners. the King tried to go along with those asking for reforms but they just wanted to murder the royals and have regime change.
@nataliaaguilar3986
@nataliaaguilar3986 Год назад
Very informative!🙂
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊
@loonylinda
@loonylinda 4 месяца назад
great narration very enjoyable.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 4 месяца назад
Thank you! 😊
@Shelly-mz9yf
@Shelly-mz9yf Год назад
Thank you so much for this. Information I never knew about the family🙂 its just crazy that no one else ever found this info. Adopting children just because. My heart believes she was another of those who got in the middle of something and unjustly rammed. This was such a great educational opportunity. Thank you so much 💓
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 😊
@stephanyfaycohen3842
@stephanyfaycohen3842 Год назад
Thank you for connecting me with one of my many PAST LIVES. MERRY CHRISTMAS 2023
@zero_bs_tolerance8646
@zero_bs_tolerance8646 Год назад
Thank you.
@xcrazypopprincess
@xcrazypopprincess Год назад
Very well done and informative, thank you. The way you speak is also very soothing...but this story is a very sad one. Am i correct to say that Marie Antoinette does not have any descendants today? Since her only surviving daughter did not have issue. Her story always makes me sad, she never really had a chance...and still today her true story is not widely known. Her story is one of the worst but many noble and royal women suffer similar fates at the whim of their husbands and those around them.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 Yes, there are no direct descendents of Marie Antoinette, but there are descendents through her maternal family line through some of her siblings. She really was kind of already weakened from the start; her mother didn't prepare her for being Queen, the French Court disliked her merely for being Austrian, and I think she and Louis XVI were just too young when they were married.
@xcrazypopprincess
@xcrazypopprincess Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Yes, her mother had lots of children. I believe Empress Maria Theresa was busy running her own empire and did not pay much attention to her children. Most of them married nobles too. Marie Antoinette was a young girl thrown into a terrible situation where most people would find hard to overcome anyways. 14 years old and expected to be Queen with no one to rely on. Her life is a tragic one but this new revelation that she does not have any direct descendant today saddens me all the more.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@1973 thunderbirds Yes, there are no direct descendents of either Louis XVI or Marie Antoinette, but there are descendents of Marie Antoinette's maternal line, i.e. those who share mitochondrial DNA with Maria-Theresa of Austria.
@cheryljohnson8053
@cheryljohnson8053 Год назад
​@@HistorysForgottenPeople 16:24
@christigoth
@christigoth 11 месяцев назад
@@1973ThunderBirds lol no, it is very wrong to say there aren't any french royals.There are several who could be king today. But the French do not allow it of course. Theyhave other descendants too, fromthe family of the Bourbon kings. just not directly from Louis and Marie, but from his father's family for sure, who had many children and some are identified today. Some are counts of different countries by marriage of parents, and the king of spain is a cousin, descended from same people, of the House of Bourbon. Because the brothers, uncles and cousins of Louis married other royals of other countries.
@updatedjustnow271
@updatedjustnow271 Год назад
We never remember history when we should. The inequity between wealth and poverty is fertile ground for revolution and civil war. Sound familiar? History always seems to repeat itself.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Seriously, the biggest truth in history seems to be that we are doomed to repeat it. Hopefully, over time we'll learn and change things!
@christigoth
@christigoth 11 месяцев назад
we do need to tend to these matters better in our countries who don't really.
@sueamos3860
@sueamos3860 Год назад
Very interesting thank you
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
You're welcome! 😊
@pran7003
@pran7003 Год назад
Without Louis there would be no United States !
@janetmarx9491
@janetmarx9491 Год назад
I’m fascinated by the French Revolution and wish there were more documentaries that are available .
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Well, I've got a few more coming over the next few weeks, hopefully that adds to them! 😊
@emeliabest6923
@emeliabest6923 Год назад
Absolutely fascinating ❤❤
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you! I'm pleased you enjoyed it. 😊
@emeliabest6923
@emeliabest6923 Год назад
I did will definitely watch more 👍👍
@renesagahon4477
@renesagahon4477 Год назад
Well done eloquent presentation thats accurate of this subject.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm pleased you enjoyed it! 😊
@LotusLady9
@LotusLady9 Год назад
Thank you very much; very interesting.🌞
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@LotusLady9
@LotusLady9 Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Read a book about Marie-Thérèse and always wanted to know more about her children.
@jereesantacruz6989
@jereesantacruz6989 10 месяцев назад
Thank u ...tried in the past to find out about the children.
@SophyaAgain
@SophyaAgain Год назад
Engulfed by the sweep of history. Chilling. In a different circumstance those children would have had an uneventful life.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It does seem unfair how fate turned out for them - especially those who were adopted, who might otherwise have had a hand up in life.
@Gipsymom
@Gipsymom 9 месяцев назад
You did not mention the rumors that abounded regarding Louis XVII being smuggled out of France. One rumor claims that he came to America and took the name Louis Payseur, and eventually became wealthy. Supposedly this family still exists and continues in the banking industry. I wish you could follow these tales and set them straight as many insist they are true.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 9 месяцев назад
Well, that's because (as you say) they were very spurious rumours, and historical fact. There is no evidence at all that Louis XVII didn't die, and it's highly unlikely he was smuggled out, considering how high profile he was.
@frederiquecouture3924
@frederiquecouture3924 10 месяцев назад
Merci beaucoup pour la Vérité!
@amandajones6481
@amandajones6481 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for making this fascinating video. I didn't know anything about the children of Louis XV1 and Marie Antoinette before I watched your video. It's sad that their lives were either very short or else long but traumatic, as in the case of Marie Therese, but they were luckier than the last Tsar of Russia and his wife and four children, who were - of course - all shot dead in the cellar of the house where they were kept under house arrest in Ekaterinberg.
@katalinjuhasz641
@katalinjuhasz641 8 месяцев назад
MARIA TEREZIA AZ ÉDESANYJA VOLT, HABSBURG CSÁSZÁRNÖ, NE KEVERJE A LÁNYÁVAL A KI MARIA ANTINIETTE
@ps603
@ps603 Год назад
Yes, the members of WEF need to be reminded of history.
@emperorofpluto
@emperorofpluto Год назад
Thank you for a fascinating video. Lived in Paris in the late 1980s with a count and countess and later with the descendant of a famous chronicler of the reign of Louis XIV - not sure if they still do, but in those days aristocrats would wear a black armband on Bastille Day in honour of their ancestors murdered in the Revolution. Some of the revolutionary songs are unbelievably bloodthirsty - there's one about chopping off heads and even La Marseillaise talks about "impure blood filling the trenches" (qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons).
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's true, I always think it's such a difficult history for France (like all of Europe, of course), and there's a balance between apologising for the bloody damage that was done, and also accepting that it was the start of the Republic, which still survives in its modern form.
@katalinjuhasz641
@katalinjuhasz641 8 месяцев назад
10 MILLIO JALOTTJA VOLT ANNAK VÉRES ILLIMUNATI SZERVEZKEDÉSNEK UTÁNA JÖTT A FOLYTATÁSA OROSZORSZÁGBAN, CSALÁDIRTÁS
@altinaykor364
@altinaykor364 5 месяцев назад
another reason why I won't sympathize with French republic! imagine being the reason for suffering of so many of your people, supporter of a bunch of toxic people and having the nerve to be proud of it
@davidcunningham2074
@davidcunningham2074 Год назад
Fascinating if often sad and horrific!
@kristooley4112
@kristooley4112 Год назад
what a sad story.
@monacam9341
@monacam9341 Год назад
I love History.And saw a lot of Documentaries of them. But in not one of they told us they adopted 4 Kids more. Told only of the Son and Daughter.
@Jollyjilly58
@Jollyjilly58 Год назад
Very interesting and very sad and tragic
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It certainly is a tragic story, sadly. But at least Marie-Therese went on to find some happiness, and maybe (hopefully) Jeanne, too.
@lillianmcgrew217
@lillianmcgrew217 11 месяцев назад
So amazing and sad ❤
@pran7003
@pran7003 Год назад
excellent my dear excellent !
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊
@ahsokatano9101
@ahsokatano9101 Год назад
I feel bad for the first adopted son. Imagine being taken away from your family just for the happiness of one woman. I don’t blame him for joining the side of the revolution.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
I've got to admit, I feel the same way. I feel sorry for Marie Antoinette in a lot of ways, but not in this regard. While I guess from his grandma's point of view, she could see how life financially was going to be better for him and his siblings, emotionally that little boy lost his family overnight.
@lilaeckitties7524
@lilaeckitties7524 Год назад
He and his siblings would have likely died by disease or starvation and none of them would have received an education. It wasn't just the happiness of Marie but the happiness/benefit of his siblings and grandmother. She paid for their expenses too, how else would have the grandmother afford to house them let alone feed them?
@jjgems5909
@jjgems5909 Год назад
It was the way the took him and then just treated him like a pet. They literally just took him their on the spot. Didn’t give him a chance to process what was going on. That’s traumatizing. And to top it off they stopped loving him after they had a child. If they had truly adopted and treated him like a human being and loved him as ok of their own maybe they would have had a different fate 😢
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@jjgems5909 I think that's the part that's difficult, exactly. The fact he joined the Revolutionaries says how he felt he had been treated, anyway.
@jilllangman9343
@jilllangman9343 Год назад
It was hardly for the pleasure of the grandmother. She did it so the other grandchildren would have good lives instead of possibly being malnourished and sickly. She had no money for their education.
@jamesu9508
@jamesu9508 Месяц назад
It’s weird these people had full lives and it’s been over for them for 235 years. They’d be blown away by what we have. I wanna see 2200
@autumn-_-uwu8340
@autumn-_-uwu8340 Год назад
History and stories like this makes me see how cruel we humans can be
@ashalaska3685
@ashalaska3685 Год назад
oh yeah. like, idk, perpetuating a regime that allows people to starve because of their "lower birth", then resisting any bit of change that would better the lot of the people? oh wait you meant the revolutionaries.
@albusdumbledore219
@albusdumbledore219 Год назад
That’s what happens with a starving population
@altinaykor364
@altinaykor364 5 месяцев назад
@@albusdumbledore219 Spain also had starvation problem and famine for far more decades and centuries and chaos in that country didn't exactly end, even after they kicked French revolutionaries out! Dutch also had to deal with floods and bad weather for like forever and they also had their similar revolution (with morals of course) how is that they weren't such a weak people to turn insane?
@smileylady485
@smileylady485 Год назад
Bless her soul
@208_treasure6
@208_treasure6 Год назад
Very interesting, thank you. Also, the artwork is fantastic 😍
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@reneeblair7593
@reneeblair7593 Год назад
Tragic what happened to the children...
@kimberleyheadland927
@kimberleyheadland927 Год назад
Thank you 💕💕
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
You’re welcome! 😊 Glad you enjoyed it.
@traceyscarlett587
@traceyscarlett587 Год назад
Can I just point out that as the daughter of an empress she was a grand Duchess, not a princess.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
I can't remember exactly where I've said it (I always have to refer back to my scripts for these things) but apologies if I've said it in the wrong place. She was of course born an archduchess of Austria, but I meant that she was a princess once she married Louis XVI, as of course she first became a dauphine upon their marriage. Sometimes I make an error when recording! :)
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 Год назад
Grand-Duke and Grand-Duchess are titles of the Russian court, not used in Austrian, and certainly not in France 🙂
@janedenktasli1015
@janedenktasli1015 11 месяцев назад
No, Austrians were Archduchess. Russians were Grand Duchess.
@christigoth
@christigoth 11 месяцев назад
maybe that is the correct title, but to use the word princess is also correct as part of a general category.
@emeraldblue5291
@emeraldblue5291 Год назад
So much life lived in 38 years
@diamondtiara84
@diamondtiara84 Год назад
All of this would make for a great historical novel or miniseries.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It certainly would! So much focus is always put on the Revolution beginning that very little of its aftermath gets looked at in detail - other than the obvious of many people losing their heads, of course!
@bastianleejones
@bastianleejones Год назад
Marie Antoinette was in a way the "FIRST REVOLUTIONARY"! She refused being in company with assorted members of court, instead she was good friend with bourgeois people and nobility of her choice - she was trendsetter fashionwise - SHAME on that revolutionary mob - who killed her and her husband - beat the Dauphin to death by a a pervert etc. Her last letter adressed to her children is heartrending and shows her real heart and her forgiveness - saying: pls my children, never hate those - who decapitated your father and me.
@heliedecastanet1882
@heliedecastanet1882 10 месяцев назад
Marie-Antoinette was a conservative. Her friends all came from the highest aristocracy, and she did not see women from the Bourgeoisie. There are excellent biographies about her (Stefan Zweig, Évelyne Lever), and you will see.
@bastianleejones
@bastianleejones 10 месяцев назад
She did because she hated the courtyard in Versailles. Of course she was conservative in regard of keeping the holy order! But culturally, in regard of life style, fashion and humanity (she fostered even a black kid and gave him opportunity visiting an art conservatory - not to forget her heartrending farewell letter to her two own kids - showed that she was a person of integrity! @@heliedecastanet1882 btw these bloodsheds and atrocities never justified the means! Force and injustice never do!
@altinaykor364
@altinaykor364 5 месяцев назад
ironic how her forgiveness actually seals the fate of her abusers, if you know what I mean
@bastianleejones
@bastianleejones 5 месяцев назад
Of course I understand! Thank you. @@altinaykor364
@margaretormerod6943
@margaretormerod6943 Год назад
I feel sorry for Mari she was a teenager. I think she was a good mother to her many children. She was merely a child herself
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
It's true, I think if there had been a pause for a few years to allow both Marie Antoinette and Louis mature a little more first, they might have done a little better.
@ashalaska3685
@ashalaska3685 Год назад
she was not a teenager she was in her 30s at the time of her death
@araucana1976
@araucana1976 Год назад
I have seen this video only once. It's utterly sad. Such inocente victims ! Such a barbarism!
@erikriza7165
@erikriza7165 Год назад
the french revolution was ruthless, bloody, murderous, cruel, godless savagery
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
There are probably better ways to get rid of a monarchy, yes! I think to start with, a chunk of those within the rebels (the liberal-minded nobles, and politicians such as Antoine Barnave) tried to advocate a more peaceful take-over of their country, but they were shouted down unfortunately, as time went on.
@erikriza7165
@erikriza7165 Год назад
@@HistorysForgottenPeople You're right. They could have done a Constitutional Monarchy like England. Tho I doubt King Louis would have agreed to that. Maybe he would have, had he known that his only other choice was the guillotine for him and the Queen, his wife.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
@@erikriza7165 I think that's a good point. I honestly think the royal family never really believed they would be executed by the populace (although there was the example of Charles I in England!), as Austria threatened war if anything did happen to them. Unfortunately, that didn't really happen either, it was Revolutionary France that declared war on Austria!
@soniamacdonald9193
@soniamacdonald9193 Год назад
How many kind, polite and gentle revolutions are you aware of?
@erikriza7165
@erikriza7165 Год назад
@@soniamacdonald9193 well, none. but i think the French got carried away. esp with their guillotine. America's Revolution was not blood-thirsty like that.
@christinamorales6887
@christinamorales6887 7 месяцев назад
Her poor kids and the complex trauma they all faced.
@LegendOfKitty
@LegendOfKitty 2 месяца назад
Marie Antoinette is such a complicated figure. I feel very sad for that poor boy she "adopted" from his grandmother, and the rest of her children, biologically hers or otherwise, just had so much trauma to deal with thanks to the Revolution and living standards of that time. It's really heartbreaking. I don't know if Marie was fit for being a queen, but I get the sense that she did her best being a mother and for the most part, was well suited for the role. She clearly loved her children, and most of them clearly loved her too.
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 месяца назад
I get that feeling, as well. I think being a poor ruler (in her case, and her husband's) had a lot to do with their upbringing, being altogether too young when they came to the throne, and just bad luck that they were in charge at a time when Europe was undergoing seismic social changes. But being a good mother was obviously in her regardless, and I agree that it showed through in how she treated not only her children, but her friends, as well.
@velapalim6281
@velapalim6281 Год назад
Fascinating Thank you
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
You're welcome! I hope you enjoyed it. 😊
@MegaJacko4
@MegaJacko4 29 дней назад
I have a 15 month old boy. I cant immagine ever enduring him being ripped from my side to suffer a life of abuse
@ozeozeoze
@ozeozeoze Год назад
When I clicked on this to watch in the bg whilst I crocheted I was not expecting the whiplash I’d get from looking up really quickly at the narrator saying ‘Zoe’ as it’s my name 😂😂
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople Год назад
Haha, I apologise for the accidental name-calling! 🤣
@vollhov2370
@vollhov2370 11 месяцев назад
Interesting. Did the United States repay a huge debt when France entered the war for their independence? After all, it was the huge sums that were sent to help the young colonies that ruined France then. Since Marie Antounette spent less money in her entire life than Josephine (Napoleon's wife) in one year. In Russia, in Pavlovsk, the Service was recently restored, presented by Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette in 1782 to Pavel and Maria Feodorovna when they were visiting Versailles. Sorry for my English :)
@HistorysForgottenPeople
@HistorysForgottenPeople 11 месяцев назад
You're right - huge amounts of money were sent to help French colonies (and also to fight against the British), and they never did get paid back in full, to the best of my knowledge. But it was much easier to slander the royal family and use them as scapegoats since they did also spend a lot of money, but it was no more than a royal family anywhere in Europe would have been expected to spend.
@ashleybellerose7104
@ashleybellerose7104 4 месяца назад
So strange. And here i was always told after they let her go they have no idea what happened to her
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