The Lore of Marika in Shadow of the Erdtree - Elden Ring DLC Explained

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Shadow of the Erdtree delivers a number of revelations around Queen Marika and her origins. They are oddly jar-heavy. In this video, we explore the newly described tragedy of the God Queen of Elden Ring. Enjoy!
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@chrisrophwe 5 дней назад

the tragedy of how maddluigi doesn't have his gold plaque yet

@MadLuigi 4 дня назад

FAX THIS IS THE BIGGEST TARGEDY UGHGHGHGHGHGHGHG

@MrJarrettamado 3 дня назад

This comment made me double check that I was subscribed

@cool2314 7 дней назад

you find child sized jars in the gaols which mean not even babies and children were safe from the hornsent.

@michaelostergren3516 7 дней назад

That explains their childlike exuberance and dancing... That's sad.

@tuba3000 7 дней назад

Nah, jarbern or whatever his name is fits diallos inside of him and he’s a small jar.

@michaelostergren3516 7 дней назад

@tuba3000 yes but he isn't the same type of jar from the shadow realm. The shadow realm jars were used for alive people flayed and put into jars to be melded with numen flesh. The Erdtree jars instead act as transport for already dead bodies to be taken to minor erdtrees and broken so the erdtree avatar may put the bodies on the roots. No torture involved and alot less morbid albeit slightly. So it may be that erdtree pots didn't have specific age groups put inside they just shoved whatever could fit. Which makes sense since most of them are going though battlefields consuming dead soldiers.

@Dayz3O6 8 дней назад

The moment I enter the Shaman village reading the lore on that edtree healing spell and the ambient music play, it was just pure sadness.

@MadLuigi 8 дней назад

It was a big moment fr

@titanscerw 5 дней назад

For me it was that exact moment - we need to wipe every single last one of those horned demons ... we are not the same.

@MadLuigi 4 дня назад

@@titanscerw u r just doing the same thing then dumbo

@titanscerw 4 дня назад

@@MadLuigi nope

@MadLuigi 4 дня назад

@@titanscerw 🤣

@arthursboypusshe3613 8 дней назад

I think that Marika’s betrayal had to do with her being a “perfected” saint. I think being a saint means that you can become a vessel for a god. This probably gave her some new status in their society. She probably used this status to get the Empyrean Grandam or whoever was in charge to let her ascend to godhood. Now, as a god, she turns around and enacts her vengeance on the people who “helped” elevate her to that status. That’s the betrayal. The Hornsent were probably like “bro we graciously turned you into a saint and then let you become a god, why would you kill us? We did you a favor.”

@moosiemoose1337 8 дней назад

And the seduction could be the hornsent's obsession with divinity.

@Farron6 7 дней назад

I like this idea

@drazzytime9353 7 дней назад

new head canon honestly

@KayjaJohnson 6 дней назад

Being a saint is following God or being a very good or pure person pretty much a creature or human that's in Order Natural No Evil no Wrongness or wicked mind set pretty much. So i guess she was bless and her peoples was not as they were pretty whicked and doing Evil stuff all the time and so she turn on them and well it's got no better.

@ripvanwinkle3432 5 дней назад

Yall looking too much into it. My fav single mom Marika the eternal was a strumpet. 😂

@VictorIV0310 8 дней назад

On a related note, The design of the furnace golems seems to be a sort of twisted karmic retribution towards the Hornsent approved by Messmer and Marika. The shamans were mutilated, then stuffed into jars to become saints by the Hornsent so in response, Marika orders her son Messmer to wage a brutal, genocidal war against the Land of Shadow with his most prominent war machine being the massive furnace golems where the Hornsent themselves are rounded up in droves, dead or alive (but most likely still alive for extra cruelty), to be stuffed in the golems and lit aflame to bring it to life. Imagine the screams and howls of terror and agony and the smell of burning flesh as the golem surges to life; An instrument of death’s first gasps of “life” brought forth by the deaths of so many within its frame to serve as fuel for the golem as it marches over the land as an instrument of terror, destruction and mockery as it wears the horned mask of the fell god of fire the Hornsent so feared.

@MadLuigi 8 дней назад

That's a great comparison; the other side of the coin to the jar stuffing: golem stuffing

@KayjaJohnson 6 дней назад

@@MadLuigi Imagine if Orochi was there from WO2 they would ohh my

@23Raind 8 дней назад

My sympathy for this monstrous woman has grown. The most severe abusers, are often themselves victims and extreme abuse.

@MadLuigi 8 дней назад

Yeah I think thats a good way of putting it. Marika did horrible things, but I can still have sympathy for what she went through

@ravendelacour1917 7 дней назад

"Take care that when fighting monsters, one does not become a monster. For when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares also into you."

@KayjaJohnson 6 дней назад

@@ravendelacour1917 Yes their is no Excuse

@jamaledwards8118 4 дня назад

Why is Marika a monster?

@starkiller823 3 дня назад

@@jamaledwards8118 Genocide of Hornsent people, albinaurics, fire Giants, mechants and other people

@KuronoCthulhu 8 дней назад

I do wonder if perhaps Radagon really was a separate person who Marika fell in love with and decided to meld with, using her perfected shaman body. Its possible St. Trina and Miquella were the same way.

@yojilou 6 дней назад

Holy shit...

@antigrav6004 6 дней назад

I've been thinking this too. They represent the alchemical Rebis, or divine hermaphrodite found in a lot of alchemy texts. That's been made clear by the story. Maybe they weren't always fused and that happened when they finally got together. Also, the ability to fuse flesh sounds a lot like what happens with the grafted, doesn't it?

@KayjaJohnson 6 дней назад

Yeah because i said how did they have kids if that was the case.

@yojilou 6 дней назад

@antigrav6004 Grafting is unholy and usually forced upon someone, whereas the melding seems almost medical in the way its positively received and perceived. I think they're both similar fundamentally, but in my personal opinion I don't think they have any real connection to one another

@SleepyMatt-zzz 5 дней назад

Perhaps they were both shamans? It would explain how they are able to switch bodies so easily.

@feeblecursedone2540 8 дней назад

Had a lovely chat with someone over on reddit who was convinced that the Shamans actually consented to being jarred. I question if we played the same game.

@moosiemoose1337 8 дней назад

Copium for people who REALLY HATE Marika.

@cool2314 7 дней назад

lol there is even an infirmary in messmer castle where they are trying to reverse what was done to the shamans.

@evilfungas 7 дней назад

That completely destroys the story.

@michaelostergren3516 7 дней назад

What i want to know is whey they were all killed? Why would the hornsent eliminate all of them if they are valuable for thier pot ritual? I wonder if they did it soon after marika became a god as retribution. Which then made marika even angrier.

@ezaf5989 7 дней назад

grown adult with an anime pfp? ofc they argue with randoms on reddit cringe

@RedOfFlames 7 дней назад

So something to note that I’ve seen JP speakers mention, the original word used for “Shaman Village” is apparently closer to “Miko”, or “Shrine Maiden”. The only time this isn’t consistent is with the “shaman” mentioned on the Greatjar helmet, which does not use the same characters. Yeaaaaaahhhhh….. they were most likely chopping up priestesses….

@Writh811 8 дней назад

Another few things I found interesting were the Highland Warriors and their bear fighting habits smack of Godfrey. While Marika was from the Shaman village I think young Hourah Loux lived among the Highlanders. The Highlander set looks like an precursor to the armor Godfrey wears and the beast claws fighting style is very much Hourah Loux. Fighting giant rune bears with his bear hands growing up would certainly explain his... everything? Not a big deal but the Death Knight armor actually looks inspired by Godfrey's Lord armor. They wield axes on top of that, this implies to me that perhaps Godwyn admired his father as much as Radahn, since he dressed his personal guard like him.

@ezaf5989 7 дней назад

cringe weirdo godfrey wasnt from there.... are u brainded

@LordKnightBane 8 дней назад

Great video! Love the idea of Marika being a successful 'saint'. Truly how strange how Marika's background has a lot of similarities to the Emperor from 40k's old lore. The Shamans in 40k were psykers who would reincarnate upon death but over time the Warp (place where Psychic power comes from) was starting to become more tumultuous and dangerous (Chaos Gods) so the reincarnation was getting harder. Eventually the shamans pooled together, committed ritual suicide and combined into the one known as the 'Emperor'..an extraordinarily powerful psychic being who would eventually unite Mankind and protect it from the predations of the Warp. Also, Marika steps through the Divine Gate and sometime later has 'Demi-God' children that each seem to have different aspects of life or Outer Gods. The Emperor steps through a gate on Molech and is suggested to have gained knowledge from the Chaos Gods in a pact (which he goes back on and 'betrays the Gods') but this enables him to create 20 great generals called 'Primarchs' which, like the demi-gods seem to have different aspects too.

@MadLuigi 8 дней назад

I know almost nothing about 40k but cool to see the similarities!

@VictorIV0310 8 дней назад

I wonder if that specific Hornsent who said these cruel words to the shamans in Bonny Village lived long enough to be subject to similar cruelties by Messmer’s crusaders when they invaded. I don’t know how long Hornsent lived but assuming he lived to see the crusade take place, I can only imagine it shifting from him whipping shamans with tooth whips and shoving them in jars like it's an ordinary day to him being captured by the crusaders before enduring days of being beaten and branded by serpent flails while being yelled at with slurs and obscenities by them such as being “Graceless scum” who’s only purpose is to be hunted, dehorned, impaled and burned before being forced to march alongside fellow Hornsent who’ve been rounded up, beaten, branded and dehorned to a furnace golem that has yet to come to life. As the Hornsent are being pushed and crammed inside the golem to the point where’s it’s getting hard to breathe, they are given a speech by a Black Knight captain who says that though they are graceless vermin with no place in the order, their lives will at least serve one purpose: as kindling for their holy crusade. The Hornsent suddenly reminisces on those shamans back in Bonny Village and realizes that he has become a victim to the same cruelties he inflicted on them. However, he has no time to think of his current predicament as the crusaders set the golem aflame and the screams of countless Hornsent and the stench of their burning flesh fill the air as the golem comes to life. So ends the life of one Hornsent among thousands, now used to fuel a lifeless machine of death and murder as it marches onto the battlefield. And so, the crusade continues.

@Samples12 8 дней назад

Crazy...That's the beauty of duality, The one who tortured is now the one getting tortured. Him not realizing what the shamans must have felt to him understanding how cruel they actually were. Him and all the other hornsent must have really realized how wrong and cruel they were. Maybye thats why the greater will chose marika? so that she could be the one to enlighten them.

@theenderdestruction2362 7 дней назад

@@Samples12 and in return realize what she becomes, she became the hornsent just in another form

@Samples12 7 дней назад

@@theenderdestruction2362 did she tho? I mean she did exile any creature reminicent of the hornseng and or crucible and she did cut of the horns of baby omens. But was really as cruel as the ways of the hornsent? But i get what u mean. Perhaps both the hornsent and marika were destined to fail so that we the tarnished could bring about a new age.

@theenderdestruction2362 7 дней назад

@@Samples12 Baby Omens horns were cut off. Imagine forcing a parent to do that for your own traumas' sake and then making anyone who has grace and is under your order hate and despise anyone not apart of it or has grace something you control, imagine making it so only the elites omen children can live but in the sewers below, imagine using countless people just to make your own, what the hornsent did was horrible, horrible indeed, but what marika did was just as bad in another flavor, and dont forget the rune of death was removed meaning those hornsent corpses we find on fire golums are most likely still alive and in extreame amount of pain and their bodies are so burnt they cant speak, marika didnt just become the hornsent she fucking one uped em in cruelty, and not to mention she left her own son alone to be the most viled and hated thing in the lands of shadow and earsed it all from history, the tarnished were supposedly summon back by marika but i feel like the tarnished of no renown might have been summoned by the greater will itself, perhaps even though its been long sense gone then our tarnished was a last resort a sorta nuclear option sense in lore either the tarnishef no difffed malakith or worse he tanked destined death either way the tarnished of no renown almost seems like the nuclear option that and we mabye a demi god cause from memory somewhere miazaky said we wernt a human i could be entire wrong and spreading false information but yeah... seriously though, marika just basically one upped the hornsent by doing even more heinous shit cause, like i said, the hornsent were horrible, horrible beings but marika did everyone dirty cause imagine having to habe your child more then likely killed cause of a curse placed upon them and if they survive their in agonizing pain and you indoctrinated those same parents into hating their own child at that point trauma response means jack shit and you should be crucifed

@PepperoniMage 4 дня назад

@@Samples12Even besides the crusade itself and damning half the continent including her own devoted son to the Realm of Shadows Marika also sent Godfrey on a brutal conquest involving the genocide of the Fire Giants, the mass incarceration and enslavement of Omen and Misbegotten, a violent expansion into sovereign territories like Liurnia and Limgrave, the upending of established societies like those of The Storm Lord and the Ancient Dragons; so yeah, she's at least as bad as the Hornsent.

@chasethecringewolf2195 8 дней назад

Tranquility ahead, also saddness ahead.

@evilfungas 8 дней назад

I think the "seduction" refers to a pact made with Two Fingers by her village. I also think it was the Two Fingers that introduced Marika to Order, and probably the Hornsent's Gate of Divinity was used to summon the Elden Beast, of which Marika became the vessel. But I like a lot your idea of Marika as the successful "saint." This would explain why the Hornsent would have accepted her rule, despite her shrouding their land in shadow. Perhaps it wasn't until the omen curse started to afflict her children that she determined to cleanse the Land of Shadow of the Hornsent. We also know the Hornsent fear the Fell God, and perhaps they were allies during the war of the giants, while aspects of the crucible were still valorised by the Golden Order.

@greyworld6242 7 дней назад

Great origin but this still doesn’t erase or absolve or justify all the terrible things that marika has done to the omen who are both descendants of and those cursed by the hornsent and many others that were killed in the main game in name of her and her golden order. Never get that twisted!

@chackolate9 7 дней назад

I definitely read it as a cautionary tale that provides more motivation to kill miquella. Both of them went through a lot of injustice and hardship and want to make new worlds as gods to address those problems. It is inevitable, however, that ascending to godhood will corrupt/trap the god in question. Would miquella go to the same genocidal ends to enforce his age of compassion? Probably.

@VictorIV0310 7 дней назад

I guarantee you that there were Hornsent who were unaware or even against their more grotesque and cruel practices such as the Greater Potentate who made the cookbooks to craft pot stuffed with things other than living beings after being disturbed by the practices in the village.

@ravendelacour1917 7 дней назад

But they didn't work to stop the process. Probably because it was engrained in their culture. For all we know jars were used as labor saving devices and the primary pro-jar argument was, "But what about the economy?"

@JaxonianRex 5 дней назад

It would’ve likely never happened if the hornsent didn’t do what they did though.

@GrandNoble 2 дня назад

It's a video game. Never get that twisted!

@House_of_Green 7 дней назад

Yoooo why didn’t it cross my mind once that Marika actually became a Saint from the pot! 😮 could that explain her duality and even why she has fire giant, serpent and horn sent connections since she is made from multiple beings?

@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962 7 дней назад

The snakeskin likely belonged to the Great Serpent. We know the Godskins and Rykard are connected. Rykard devours champions to add their power to his own. It is similar to the Jar culture of Bonny village, only Rykard himself is the vessel. The village of Dominula skins and burns men, piling them up so that the cycle of Death and Rebirth can restart anew (halted by the removal of Destined Death), and we find a Godskin Apostle at Dominula and a Noble at Eiglay. Clearly, the Great Serpent practiced human sacrifice (per the Serpent sword), and the Serpent uses Poison just like the Fly-Men of the Ailing Village. The Beastmen carry Jar shields and we see plenty of Lions with Omen horns, meaning they were all under the obedience of the Order that came before Marika (as evidenced by the Lion Dancer). I think Marika seduced and betrayed the Great Serpent, which is why Messmer is a vessel of the Abyssal Serpent and why he was cast out to the Shadowlands. Rykard knows this and, so, embraced the Blasphemous Serpent to mock the stolen power and the foundation that Marika used to make her new Order. Mesmerizing snakes (or charming them) is an old practice, and the twirling of the Dancer of Ranah is akin to mesmerism. Perhaps Marika knew about a charming dance. Perhaps Tanith seduced Rykard just as he seduced her. And snakes can form spirals with their bodies. The dual spiral that the Hornsent worship is a lot like the mating dance, and combat dance, of serpents.

@TheBlaringBlue 7 дней назад

The statues of Marika have their heads cut off by Messmer & his army - it's because Marika abandoned them and they cut the heads off her statues symbolically EDIT: And more for you regarding the jars in Marika's age you reference at the end. Take a look at the Festive Grease's item description to see that Marika allowed some practices from the previous age to continue on in her own age. Godfrey did have his Crucible Knights, after all. The jar practices continued on in Marika's age, but in a different way. Likely taking the remains of fallen warriors (possibly from the coliseum culture that her and Godfrey set up) and using them as fertilizer for the Erdtree and minor erdtrees

@devinguy 7 дней назад

This was a great jar. Good work, loved a lot of the takes here.

@TheNeoLoneWolf 8 дней назад

I think the thing I'm most confused by is Marika, and all the ways she has attained more power, the Elden Ring, the Divine Gate, being merged as a shaman. What order did these event's happen in? Which one made her a god, and what is the significance of each one? Is each one marked by a different Elden Lord? It feels like seeing the process of Miquella becoming a god is supposed to clarify things, but it makes me more confused because it seems contradictory to what we knew about Marika in the base game. I'm starting to wonder if anything in the base game was actually Marika's doing, or did Radagon do it on her behalf/ as her after she ascended to godhood.

@moosiemoose1337 8 дней назад

I think the entirety of Marika's reign was a power struggle for her God hood against the elden beast and then Radagon which is a battle she eventually lost.

@evilfungas 7 дней назад

Personally, what makes sense to me is that she made a pact with the Two Fingers by her village to unite her Gold with Order, and used the Divine Gate to summon the Elden Beast and reform the Elden Ring. There is a curious qualification in the Elden Stars description that says: "the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would *later become* the Elden Ring." It seems to me that the Elden Beast may not have actually been involved in the Elden Ring of the Ancient Dragons, and that Marika ascended to Godhood around the time the Dragons had a similar "shattering" war, where Bayle revolted against Placidusax. The Fingers made an appeal to Marika to reform the Elden Ring, and they used the Divine Gate of the Hornsent to summon the Elden Beast, who became the Elden Ring of which Marika is the vessel. This makes sense to me as the Fingers would be motivated to renew contact with the Greater Will, from whom they had been severed, and Marika would be motivated to free her people from oppression and rule over a Golden Age of Life.

@alessandrogarofalo9951 8 дней назад

This whole story is quite Jar-ring

@BFG93 2 дня назад

Blew my mind with the flesh implications and the grafting. The whole concept of grafting trees is like a bastardisation of the beliefs of the shamans. With the forced graft, for selfish gain opposed to the grandmother in the tree who seemed to be more harmonious with nature. To apoint even miquella could of been inspired by this with his haligtree. Mind blown. Nice work dude! Keep it up!

@1shogunate696 3 дня назад

People being stuffed in jars has a comical undertone. But is probably the most evil practice in the whole game

@looots1320 7 дней назад

Marika assigned 2 Tree sentinel to safe guard the area says everything

@EldenStarsofRuin 3 дня назад

What really pisses me off is how the Hornsent act like the world's most oppressed and victimized people when the consequences of their own actions slapped them in the face. Like when a small kid pushes another kid and the second that pushed kid pushes back the first kid runs to an adult crying about being pushed. The hornsent give me a freaking headache. As for the betrayal I personally read it as the hornsent had plans for the shamans and as soon as Marika survived and reached godhood (I think godhood and sainthood are two very different things here) they saw it as a betrayal on her part as she deviated from their plans. Too much bad blood between both parties for either of them to ever tolerate the other. Marika's a monster but she wasn't born a monster, she was made into one. Her unresolved traumas extended to literally everyone else including her own children therefore causing so much more misery. Count Ymir said it best: "The roots are rotted" (paraphrasing here).

@telerobotic 8 дней назад

Great video!

@MadLuigi 8 дней назад

Thanks so much!

@marystone860 7 дней назад

OH! The ending of this video just made something have MUCH more sense! It concerned the Jars in the Main Game. When going through the Jars in the Land of Shadow, it was a torturous punishment, NOT a rite of honor or something willingly done! Maybe a Potentate, who was actually kind, or grew horrorified by the Land of Shadows practice of Jarification, left those Lands, came to the Lands Between, and began the much kinder, loving, and warrior's honor culture of the Jars we know and love! Possibly, THAT Potentate is the very one Jar-Bairn speaks of, who made THEIR kind, and put them in a far-away village to try to keep them safe! I so confused at first, and the ending of this vid, I was like:'OH! I get it now!' Thank You!

@samepule1247 7 дней назад

now i see why she didn't like her twins that where cursed to look like hornsent💀

@BFG93 2 дня назад

The fact that the jar village seeks a potentate, makes me think some hornsent were mixed in. And the new jarberg is like a lingering past life memory seeping through the flesh, hense the similarities in customs.

@ZuraJura 7 дней назад

Since Melina knows the incantation, that means She knows of the Shaman village and Messmer is clearly the first born. Both got fire magic too. I wish there's more to Melina story

@dabneybowen8097 8 дней назад

Seriously, I wanted very badly for the DLC to demonstrate that Marika was a redemptive figure, and as usual, FROM does not disappoint.

@alessandrogarofalo9951 8 дней назад

She still remains a mass-murderer, but at least a cute one now 😂

@TheLucasblanes 7 дней назад

Another amazing video! About the seduction and betrayal, I think that Marika was an empyrean that gathered forces and fought together with the hornsent against the giants and the fell god. After all, the crucible knights were part of Godfrey's army and it's said that the hornsent fear the fell god. That could be the seduction (destroy the fell god together) and the betrayal, since Marika would then attack and destroy the hornsent after that, reaching the gates of divinity and becoming a god. The thing is that we have to assume that Marika was not a god yet before defeating the giants. There is dialogue with the hornsent Grandam showing that she knew Marika and she was an empyrean too, so maybe she was supposed to be the next god, since the gates of divinity were in the power of the hornsent, and Marika betrayed her.

@x_Skeleton_x 7 дней назад

The second expansion will likely involve the Gate of Divinity itself. The ending felt very similar to Ashes of Ariandel’s. Even the ending room within that Chapel served as a starting point of sorts into the Ringed City DLC. Getting those same vibes from the Gate of Divinity. On the topic of Marika, she is not a tragic figure. She attempts to genocide (children included) an entire civilization over her personal trauma and suffering. Instead of learning from the horrors of war and slavery via her first hand experience, and applying those lessons learned to her rule following apotheosis. She instead immediately uses the opportunity/power afforded to genocide the Hornsent and conceal the Crucible, Marika’s own origins, the Gate of Divinity and the Mass slaughter of an entire peoples. Then proceeds to spread an ideology of hatred towards those deemed lesser or deserving of subjugation. Marika isn’t tragic, she’s just a villain. Worse than Gwyn even.

@theenderdestruction2362 7 дней назад

This might be why the greater will chose her if it did at all, it saw what would become of her and knew one way or another she would do this so it did it immediately and with the most punishment as a result, countless children cursed, one wasnt and died in soul, betrayal after betrayal after betrayal all lead to her crucifixion ironic no?

@winstonsmith3703 7 дней назад

There will be no second expansion and they don't want to make an elden ring two so many people keep talking about it like it's confirmed it is gonna happen when the exact opposite is true and why I was so frustrated by how the dlc ended. They said it would be clear when you beat the dlc but it sure as hell wasn't. Consider a cutscene from the trailers is not present in game some major things were likely scrapped late into development

@VictorIV0310 7 дней назад

Miyazaki stated that there’s no further plans for future Elden Ring DLC. Hopefully, that changes.

@don23fire 5 дней назад

You can go behind the village and get on top of Rabbath’s Rise and collect a bell barring and see Ana’s doll

@ooiiooiiooii День назад

The grandmother is most likely referring to Hornsent Grandam.

@global-sequence 7 дней назад

I thought that since we don't see the jars being filled in the base game, the jars we see are the ones from the shadow land being given a proper burial in TLB. Thinking about it now it doesn't make a lot of sense because the minor erdtrees only came after the shattering, and we do see some instances of warriors being added to them, but it's so weird that the practice was taken up due mainly to the trauma attached to it.

@Warkill94 7 дней назад

the snake skin found in bonny village is the same model in the volcano manor at the caseoh boss fight room.

@KayjaJohnson 6 дней назад

I thought that was Rykard snake

@SolomonKing-995 7 дней назад

I noticed at the divine gates the hornsent corpses are also fused together like they would commit to the shaman people in the jarring rituals.

@SleepyMatt-zzz 5 дней назад

Its interesting how Marika sought to destroy the hornsent and their culture, but considered it appropriate to keep some cultural traditions, such as tree worship and the use of jars. Reminds me about how other Religions often appropriated aspects of cultures that were incorporated or subjugated.

@pranavravi434 4 дня назад

Good video and I find your story really correct as they mentioned about the seduction and the betrayal. But what the people did Ftet she came as an Saint from the jar is not known

@MetalCaffeine56 2 дня назад

Maybe the betrayal was the act of becoming a god? The Hornsent seem to be obssessed with divinity so perhaps to them, seeing a person who was only good for jar innards become a god and taking what they thought was theirs would be considered a betrayal.

@futebol139 Час назад

The minor erdtrees only sprouted after the shattering of the elden ring.

@Halfgnomen 7 дней назад

Since you said jar so many times you should try a jarwreight (wrieght?) playthru. Pot helm, fur raiment, radahn boots/gloves, companion jar, beastman jar shield, great club/large club/ club, throw pots, summon the soldjars and be the caveman you were meant to be.

@deedatkhan5072 5 дней назад

The word shaman on shaman village and bonny village comes from Japanese word of Miko or shrine maiden

@deedatkhan5072 5 дней назад

And the shaman in the greatjar is different from the shrine maiden

@eclipzex77 2 часа назад

Something i have to wonder is, if the jarring process is supposed to create a Saint, does that relate with the other 2 named Saints in St. Trina and Romina, Saint of the Bud? Maybe we should check the JP text and see if the same term is used in all 3 contexts.

@TheSpectralForce 6 дней назад

The Crucible was an ancient seedbed of life that created powerful Chimera-like beings in hornsent society. Perhaps the jarring practice was the hornsent's attempts to mimic the Crucible's power to create these beings who appear to be a fusion of creatures. A mini crucible is created within the jar that may one day birth a divine being. This could explain why the Numen are long lived and seldom born. They may be artificial beings, and the product of this jarring experiment on the Shaman people. The jars in the lands between may be part of Marika's own experiments in an attempt to create more Numen, or grant a better life to the Shaman flesh amalgamations. Their research in the Black Keep couldn't reverse the damge, so they completed the proccess for a select few and attempted to give them a peaceful life in Jarburg.

@_thebigsteve 5 дней назад

I would love to see how this connects to Midra and the abyssal woods.

@edmarcamy 5 дней назад

The Hornsent inquisitors were the ones who invaded Midra’s manse, slaughtered his servants and impaled him with the Greatsword of Damnation, inflicting constant and eternal agony.

@_thebigsteve 5 дней назад

@edmarcamy thats true, but some extrapolation as to where Marika separated from them, and what knowledge he and his wife found/ their connection to the shaman village so far has been lacking analysis here on youtube.

@goodbyeusedworld5360 7 дней назад

I hadn't made the connection between shamans and trees before, but now that you mention it miquella was using his blood to grow the haligtree, and the crucible(where all life blends together) was stated to be the primordial form of the erdtree. Perhaps the shamans are the crucible itself, and Marika grew the erdtree using her blood to fufill a similar purpose for her own people, that would probably go some way to explaining why the hornsent would commit atrocities on such a scale to an undeserving sect of people for the sake of criminal rehabilitation. Although this theory doesn't take into account the scadutree if I remember correctly it's the shadow of the erdtree so it may still be plausible

@thelionofjudah5318 6 дней назад

She also betrayed her own kind. The greater will banished the nox to the caves giving a false night sky. Also going against their the lord aka lord of night.

@ShardofWant 7 дней назад

The shedded snake skin is the same model as the god devouring serpent idk how people miss that the head shape is so distinct.

@dbfzato-1327 5 дней назад

i got a theory, the one great or greater will is a black hole, the elden ring is the lands between, it's the event horizon (golden ring) event horizons even have a shadow! the microcosm spell even looks like a black hole, as does a eclipse, plus when we kill rodhan the stars all go in one direction, kinda weird right? it seems the oldest materials in the game like the finger areas all black and gold alot weapons of black steel as well, also renellas family line seem to be tied to black hair and we know they study astrology another one is that serosh is the hornsents god (and probably Placidusax) the hornsent worship lions, he was probably god of storms, but somehow godfrey grafted serosh to himself, bayle possibly was helping marika maybe she betrayed him to locking him away, she got a habit of that lol, might be what sparked the war between the golden order and dragons, also would explain the beast men and Maliketh being there just realised if godfrey can graft does that mean hes a shaman? a shaman is a mage who specializes in nature, dont see that mentioned, marika all about trees and even miquiella and malenia have flowers, the other in game flowers must be connected, miranda flowers especially the woman burning in the trailer seems to br Romina, Saint of the Bud, remember how gowery wanted us to betray millicent? it must be a important step, i think she Romina betrayed and bloomed, now i'm thinking was malenia betrayed as well? p

@Kebabmonster072 5 дней назад

Purge all the hornsent!

@MadLuigi 4 дня назад

lets not lol

@sangumlinggi8330 7 дней назад

Marika did nothing wrong. P.S the Japanese translation of shaman village is apparently Shrine maiden village or miko village. Miko essentially meaning female shamans in english but the female connotations in japanese is very big. Miko are female shamans who are shrine maidens who take care of shrines, heal, bless and guide people. They also perform rituals so as to convey the will of the god(s) which is very interesting.

@VsevolodKhusid 7 дней назад

If grafting really has a relation to the jars, the Godefroy gaol could be explained as an act of disgust in line with the imprisonment of Omens!

@BillNyeGuy 6 дней назад

I thought Marika was a Numen and from a land outside The Lands Between. This place looks to have been part of TLB until Marika sealed it away. Could it be that this village was where she landed and first settled when she came to TLB and not where she was actually born?

@GILvidss 7 дней назад

Just what if? Marika perfected sainthood in the Jar and the other body used to fuze with her is Radagon. Then they passed the traits to offsprings. Horn ancestry of Mohg and Morgot has to be from the Radagon genes. Also he requires a Lord to be a God. In the cinematic, it was only Marika, meaning even before Godhood, he was also Radagon. There was also no mention of a ruling Lord on the DLC.

@Kn1ghtborne 7 дней назад

This explains the grafting exploit

@Sarah-yh4sg 7 дней назад

One question i have is how placidusax ties into all this, he was elden lord in a time before the erdtree, was he lord during the time of the hornsent or was his reign even further ago, making him truly ancient

@Jjw338 7 дней назад

The statue in the tree does look like Marika though

@deeezey_2239 7 дней назад

The statue in the tree, and then Marika being crucified ( statue'd in the erd tree )

@jedrzejszymanski542 7 дней назад

I'am wondering if the big inquesitors (the huge ones) are maybe this saints. From their look they kinda look like this jar people.

@938oooo 3 дня назад

Reminds me of Made in the abyss

@codybibb5732 7 дней назад

I interpreted the dialogue in the story trailer to mean when Marika became a god, the Erdtree was born, and so too was the Scadutree. An unforeseen consequence, as the Two Fingers don't actually know what they are doing. The 2 fingers seduced Marika with godhood. Not sure what the betrayal is, but Marika abandoning Messmer is definitely a horrible betrayal.

@janaguirre4756 6 дней назад

I wonder if Marika was Jared and she gained Radagon from it

@rotunel7677 6 дней назад

my head canon are marika sided with hornsent thus betraying her own kind, the shaman. maybe she do that to infiltrate and destroy hornsent from within, but at the time she's become a god, its too late, the shaman village is no more. and thats what i think her confession to the grandmother. confession of the betrayer

@dragonlordplacidusax9413 8 дней назад

Hornsents don't deserve any pity. I enjoyed seeing that npc hornsent's despairing visage after beating messmer without summoning him. His Purpose of life was gone.

@boyuan588 7 дней назад

but he will fight with you again in the enir ilim, he still has one purpose that's helping Miquelle godhood ascendence

@MrEddy-pf1jr 7 дней назад

That's my theory. I don't think Miquella is evil. his actions were evil. He schemed to become a god to make the land between a better place. Along the way he tried to satisfy his obsession for Radahn. It's the story repeating all over again. Marika did the same. She schemed and betrayed the hornsets to become a god and revenge for what they did to the shamans. Marika under guidance of the fingers established her Golden order that brought only wars and death. After the night of black knives Marika realized she was just a puppet in the fingers's "hands" XD. She couldn't escape from her fate ( maybe that's what S.Trina means when she says becoming a god is a cage beyond saving). So Marika shattered the elden ring and instructed Melina to find a candidate to clean up her mess. The coolest of them all remains Ranni. She knew everything all along.

@zorbinthor 6 дней назад

Aren't the horsent obsessed with the crucible? The jars are them creating their own and using the Shamans (is that synonymous with Numens or just a sect of them?) to do it

@zorbinthor 6 дней назад

This would also explain Marika's severe hatred of it

@Specialk1982 5 дней назад

14:30 I thought Godrick was a descendant of Godfrey and had no relation to queen marika? Everyone always corrected me back then about how Godfrey was never a child of marika. But I always found it odd because I wondered who Godrick's mother was.

@MadLuigi 4 дня назад

Enia refers to Godrick as a relation to Marika: "Godrick the Grafted was but a distant relation... The runt of the litter, his divine blood sorely diluted. " So, less connected than direct children, but we can definitely view him as part of the golden lineage of Marika+Godfrey

@Specialk1982 4 дня назад

@@MadLuigi I see

@PeacefulSerb 7 дней назад

Everyone making the same video. Poor Marika... Want to give my eyes to Hyetta only to never watch a similar video...

@strawhatshinigami9190 7 дней назад

I literally said "Wtf" dropped my head snd shook it once i read the lore . Idk why but, everything about Marika and Omens came rushing in my brain and just got sad . I put the game down,went and made a sandwich (i make hefty ones) and just frantically talked to myself about this situation the whole time.

@chuckberry2073 8 дней назад

I wonder if the father of messmer/melina has to do anything with the original sin/seduction of Marika… idk tho

@Xenbjorn 7 дней назад

So basically Marika is the first Targaryen (lol jk). Hear me out, who is Maliketh and how is he Marika’s half-brother? Which parent do they share? Maybe an Ancestral Spirit or some other type of beast? Kind of unhinged but would explain the birth of her omen offspring. Radagon also has his Red Wolf, although weak compared to Maliketh, perhaps the Rune of Death and Marika’s ascension is what gave Maliketh so much power.

@cykalandon8635 5 дней назад

I think the betrayal was when Marika became a god, and Messmer's war happened before that. She buddied up to the Hornsent with her fingers crossed behind her back, rode higher in politics with Messmer and that's how Messmer had an army, and then murdered a bunch of people to create the divine gate so that she could ascend.

@MadLuigi 4 дня назад

Messmer was certainly crusading after Marika's godhood. He is referred to as like an elder brother to Radahn, so he lived in Lands Between for a while before the crusade

@cykalandon8635 4 дня назад

@@MadLuigi Ahh interesting. Any speculation as to how Marika convinced her oppressors to let her become a god? And I wonder how Marika was okay with transcending to a god while standing on the bodies of her own people, while allied with the Hornsent

@dbfzato-1327 5 дней назад

you think the misbegotten piled up the dead bodies and burnt them as they trying to summon a god? this all very final fantasy 13 and kingdom hearts, was my first thought in the miquella boss fight lol i think the lamenters set is what they going though, like marika b4, now the omen and misbegotten being mistreated on mass, seems when a species gets pushed to the brink they call summon a god, like the frenzied flame and scarlet rot, and most of all the fire giant, i think the shamans did the same in the past mairka last of her people, mabie the betrayal was to marika, they betrayed mirida, makes me think are the shamans and the golden untouchables the same?

@dbfzato-1327 5 дней назад

i feel like melina gonna judge me if i use the minor erdtree incantation, she will be like cute..... i see why your maidenless 🤣🤣🤣 i think eyes are the oppisit they block power, 1 eye for emprians and none for emprians thats the vibe im getting, think messmer was one to the snake god

@Dbonesburneraccount 7 дней назад

11:18 What if Marika seduced the horn sent lord&betrayed him at the divinity gate? She became a god&her first act was to kill their lord who was given a false promise.

@socialjihad5724 7 дней назад

I definitely think that this seems to be the most logical thing to have occurred, though I wish there was some better references to point to such a figure existing. Only thing I can think of that might be a reference to this hornsent lord would be the Grandnam in Belurat mentions her son as the other person who would go with you to kill Messmer as the divine beast

@codybibb5732 7 дней назад

I wonder, is the divine waygate how all pervious gods became gods?

@odenetheus 5 дней назад

@@codybibb5732Since it used to be placed in the middle of all the Divine Towers, that would make sense

@azazel5673 8 дней назад

Wait a minute, this means Melena is not the daughter of Radagon

@someguywithcancer1595 8 дней назад

I’m not saying Marika should have sent Messmer to massacre the horn sent, but I understand.

@BrodolfBaggns 4 дня назад

Jarring tragedy. I see what you did there 😄

@MadLuigi 4 дня назад

🙏

@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia 7 дней назад

was miyazaki abused bro? like, DAMN

@Vladek16 8 дней назад

not gonna lie, I cried a when I discovered the village at the very end of my playthrough 😢😭

@audaxpowder 8 дней назад

messmer did nothing wrong

@MadLuigi 8 дней назад

Messmer did so much wrong 😭

@sarge3294 8 дней назад

Hornsent disagree

@Jestnarr 7 дней назад

He did so much wrong. But hey, who says that being wrong is bad?

@Jestnarr 7 дней назад

An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. The world turns blind and starves to death. May chaos take the world.

@ravendelacour1917 7 дней назад

Messmer did bad things to bad people.

@bunnybunsters3739 6 дней назад

Marika's rune item description says she personally bestows it and it blinds others (in short). The living jars shard states the flesh hardens after death. The ghost who says they don't want to be put into a jar is actually a hornsent (look up close at their head). My unhinged theory is that Marika was helping the hornsent and putting her own people into jars to help them build the gate of divinity. The Enir Ilim had the foundation of those bodies as well. Messmer found out and Marika bestowed her rune to him (his eye) to blind him as well to her actions. He knew her original sin which was genocide against her own people and betrayed the hornsent by sending him to wage war against him. It's an unhinged theory, but jfc it seems plausible imo.

@fernandosalamanca1154 3 дня назад

I really like this theory, that is what also came to my mind when reading the description of the Minor Erdtree in the Shaman village - that she planted it there it out of guilt and as a small act of redemption.

@joyhappiness 7 дней назад

rizz me up

@JaxonianRex 5 дней назад

I lost all sympathy for the hornsent after finding out the truth. They are bigger monsters than any boss in the game.

@MadLuigi 4 дня назад

U can still be sympathetic to the genocided Hornsent. One genocide does not justify another

@JaxonianRex 4 дня назад

@@MadLuigi it doesn’t justify another, that’s true, but if the hornsent hadn’t done theirs, then marika would’ve likely never done hers

@jacobgill2110 7 дней назад

Thinking that godrick is able to graft due to his shaman heritage allowing his flesh to meld with the flesh of others similar to how the hornsent whipped them to get their flesh to meld with the flesh of the other victims inside of the jars

@kreadapelu8813 7 дней назад

It may be that the Numen washed ashore on the great stone coffin ships. They brought with them their holy trees. They offered the power of the trees to the inhabitants of the Lands Between and all was well. Until, as often happens, time was unkind to the Numen because as it passed others multiplied but the Numen did not. A group of the Numen served as shaken for the Scadu Tree while others hid in their abyssal forest. In time, the Hornsent would learn to use shaman in grotesque ways. Marika rose to power while working furiously to gain authority among the Hornsent. Marika made a pact. The Hornsent could have the surface shaman to tend their tree and for whatever other purposes the Hornsent wanted. They would, however, never be permitted to touch those shaman in the abyss. Marika would sell half her people to spare the rest. The horror of it all tainted a few of Matyr’s children and one of those, a Three Fingers, took to frenzy and stole Marika’s broken sanity. Her frenzy spread among her people to further protect them from the Hornsent. And then… you know… messmer

@CharLacey 5 дней назад

The stone tablets in marikas bedchamber are from the land of shadow. I believe it was infromation on the practices of the hornsent. Bringing things like the jars to the lands between. Marika truly became what she hated most.

@budingiesy0 8 дней назад

Godrick wasn’t Marikas descendant he was Godfrey’s

@cool2314 7 дней назад

he was definitely godfrey and marika's descendent as he is referred to as coming from the golden lineage and was called a demi god.

@azazel5673 8 дней назад

May be Marika is the one who told the Hornsend people about the Jaring technique and then had her son delete her browser history

@moosiemoose1337 8 дней назад

Then why would she hate the hornsent so much? She seems to really, REALLY hate them.

@azazel5673 8 дней назад

@@moosiemoose1337 how do you know that?

@moosiemoose1337 7 дней назад

@@azazel5673 remebrance of the impaler item description. A malevolent snake writhed within Messmer, and so his very mother plucked out his eye and put in its place a seal of grace. Yet, having done so, her fear compelled her to secret away her child within the realm of shadow. Hidden away-keeping company with the original sin, and a hatred that would not be confined

@rafsandomierz5313 7 дней назад

@@azazel5673 She was the one to sent Mesmmer and use image of god of fell flame on the hornset.

@azazel5673 7 дней назад

@@moosiemoose1337 The description doesn’t identify the subject of Marika’s hatred. Let me know if you see a connection between the hatred and the hornsend.

@dabneybowen8097 8 дней назад

Marika was right.

@aranthur 7 дней назад

I think after what happened to her people, Marika saw the Lands Between as a place of chaos, torment, and death, and the Two Fingers told her that as an Empyrean she had the potential to change all of that by ascending to godhood and crushing all those who would oppose her A temporary period of war in order to achieve an eternal kingdom of order, peace, and life? A new family who could never be taken from her again, not even by death?? Sounds worth it... right? Only, it didn't work. The giant's flame could not be extinguished, the horns of the Crucible came back in the form of the Omen, and even the stupid snake refused to stay dead. In all these cases, she doubled down and tried to suppress them further, but when Death came for Godwyn despite all her efforts to make that impossible, it finally hit her that her dream truly was impossible. The Fingers had lied to her, and all of her sins were for nothing and could no longer be justified. So just like she had taken steps to tear down the kingdom of the tower folk, she planned out and executed the destruction of her own oppressive reign

@darklordauron 7 дней назад

It's weird having hinterland treated as if it is a foreign word to English speakers. Where has the vocabulary of the masses gone?

@niteshanthony2324 7 дней назад

hey we dont know each other but i hope ur doing well and I wanna say that GOD still loves u and wants u to be with him all u must do is trust in Jesus (dying for our sins on the cross) and repent of ur sins. GOD loves u more than u can imagine.🎉❤😊❤😊❤

@tobiverrum 8 дней назад

12:23 is very telling. Its the kind of language used to justify actions. "Merely a war". No she engaged in and exterminated hornsent culture, destroying and killing almost all of them. She engaged in genocide. What happened to her people was also terrible but there is no moral justification for genocide. and I think Leda using the exact same words certain groups right now are using in order to justify their own genocide in our real world is extremely telling. The only reason I bring it up is because too often I've seen people justify Marika's actions because of the immense trauma she went through, and again no matter what you cannot morally justify genocide!!!

@Jontae4288 8 дней назад

This is the comment I was looking for

@deeezey_2239 7 дней назад

And eye for an eye will make the whole world blind Fitting.

@theenderdestruction2362 7 дней назад

And a tooth for a tooth and you lose all your teeth@@deeezey_2239 and so the world will be filled with blind toothless fools

@ezaf5989 7 дней назад

you are a grown adult ( probably 30s) with an anime child pfp? yikes. are you mentally well? there can be multiple justifications for genocide. if race of demon baby eaters was geocided would that be a bad thing? the hornsent literally torture infants by putting them in jars for eternity...and you are upset they got killed?

@king2wolves 7 дней назад

According to the tooth whip, Marika and the shamans had the ability to merge flesh with other beings. If Radagon and Marika are one and the same or if Radagon is a part of Marika, How do you explain this Melina comment? ""O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self."" This comment tells us three things: 1.Marika talks to Radagon in a manner which they were never one. 2. Marika wanted to harmoniously meld with Radagon. 3. St Trina dies when we kill Miquella but Marika survives while radagon dies. This sounds like they were different individuals. Melina said the word "yet" which means it hasnt happened but its going to happened so if Marika were once one with Radagon why is she acting and talking like they were never were one being in the beginning?

@rambokills2750 7 дней назад

Always hated those jars anyways feels justified destrying the jar village

@geordiejones5618 7 дней назад

Those aren't even the same jars though. Alexander and Jar-Bairn are conscious entities, basically amalgamations of lost grace and great strength.

@VictorIV0310 7 дней назад

Not the same jars. Direct your retribution elsewhere.

@Jestnarr 7 дней назад

I never liked hornsent. He was rude, biased, immediatly assuming the tarnished to be an ally of the erdtree, of marika. There isnt even gold in the eyes of a tarnished, no, he just made this claim for the sole reason of the tarnished having smooth skin. Wanna know how you call this? You should already know how you call this. And you should also know how people like this behave. They never learn, they never tolerate. They never forgive, they never get forgiven. They never find peace and neither will they grant it.

@theenderdestruction2362 7 дней назад

Sounds like marika

@adamesughi7387 7 дней назад

Marika's people didn't deserve what happened to them just like the Hornsent didn't deserve what Marika did to them. Still, I think Marikas been punished enough honestly; being stabbed and crucified for who knows how long in the Erdtree is pretty messed up on its own. She was willing to accept that punishment at least. She's not a saint but she's not an emotionless demon either. She's just a flawed monarch who created a flawed order. Same as many others in history. All of her children were born cursed (except Godwyn) and its not like she could have done anything to fix that. She was afraid of Messmer's curse and kept him hidden away from the Land's Between but she at least tried to help him by giving him healing physicks in his youth, but she couldn't undo his curse. If she had the power to undo all her children's curses I still think she would do it in a heartbeat.