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I do not necessarily agree with your argument. She, as a young girl, may have wanted to divorce herself from all the horror and pain, so launched out to live a totally independent life. Marry and put eveyrthing into that new identity. So, I could see why she might not want to identify - in death - with the past - but rather the present.
Your storytelling is so engaging, it's impeccably written, narrated and photos are included that are connected too; which all combines to make every video so absorbing, fully informative while also showing respect for the victims and fairness in the telling of the events meaning they're not presented from one side or the other's perspective only; but well rounded. I love the videos & thank you for the impressive job that is done on every single story!
Such a sad event. All of those lives taken and that poor 4 year old having to be the witness to it. I'm glad she had her sister to care for her, but man. I can't imagine the pain they both endured, and with people constantly nosing their way around the property on top of that.
I wondered why, once the court case was finalized, they didn't have the property razed to the ground and naturalized for a generation or three? Nothing good could come of a home so desecrated. Who in their right mind would want to live there? It just proved to be interesting to gawkers and creeps.
@@jeanvignesonly something holy like a church or well respected like countries flag can be desecrated 😮 The home of these people was neither 🤷♀️ Sorry to point this out ❤
It's so terrible that Phyllis didn't want to be buried with her family, that's how intrusive people were. The family continues to be attacked, even in death. These people should be ashamed of themselves. How can you treat anyone's resting place as some sort of tourist attraction, let alone the resting place of a family that was brutally murdered and left a few members still grieving??? I just can't wrap my head around it. 🥺
A story suggestion: L'Inconnue de la Seine, or Resusci Anne. She was a forever unidentified drowned woman retrieved from the river Seine in the 1880s. In a macabe turn of events, her corpse became a tourist attraction in a morgue window due to her beautiful and serene apperance. After a while, copies of her death mask were even sold as souvenirs. Many many years later, her face became the very face used on cpr training dummys; ironically to help train people save lives from the same fate she met hundreds of years ago.
Omigosh...Resusci Annie was modeled after a real person?! I've trained with her likeness many a time. I'll have to tell my son, he does training with the Red Cross part-time in Seattle.
I only discovered this channel a few months ago, and it has been strangely compelling. One day I hope to see you cover the case of Minnie Dean, the only woman to be hanged in this history of New Zealand. Thank you for producing these. Hope you enjoy the break.
I love Paul’s story telling and his voice is very relaxing. “Brief Case” Is another channel I watch. He did a short story about Minnie Dean a couple years ago. Paul could tell it better I’m sure but this wasn’t a bad version. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L5mN9zomMx8.htmlsi=Dgp3GFS7cXZssx8w
Up until 3 years ago I lived in the town where she is buried. She was like the boogy man when we were kids. We live in the Hawkes Bay now and visited NZs oldest prison in Napier. Her executioner travelled from Napier to Invercargill for her hanging. Apparently he spent some time in the Napier prison for a number of things. He travelled all around NZ as a the goverments hangman. He had a pretty checkered life himself.
Well, worse than the ignorance of mental illness by the people is the incompetence or worse, public-be-damned attitude of the "mental health professionals". Releasing patients who are dangerous to themselves and others is routine for them. Situations like this happen over and over again!
The fact that he feared the hospital makes me think that instead of them releasing him before he was ready without caring, it’s far more likely that he started pretending to be better than he was in order to escape. Mental health institutions TODAY are notoriously hellish places, whether through intentional abuse, understaffing, overmedication, sexism (they just changed the name for hysteria, let’s be real), neglect, or uncaring physicians, the dismal quality of care from psychiatric institutions never truly changed in most places. Getting a grippy sock vacation is likely to end in you being assaulted, raped, under heavy sedatives, often with your personal items including your personal phone confiscated.
@@elizabethmulgrew7873 here’s the deal my guy. There’s a such thing as knowing the answers a doctor wants without actually being cured. Which I know, because I’m mentally ill, and when I don’t trust a doctor to care about whatever separate issue I’m dealing with, they receive the “right” answers so that they won’t chalk me up to being unable to breathe because of anxiety. The fact is, if I spend months teaching you exactly what I want to hear as the right answers while making you terrified of me and the place where I am holding you against your will, you are going to tell me those answers I’m looking for in order to escape. This doesn’t mean you’ve learned or internalized how to actually achieve those right answers. It means you know how to say that you’re better and you don’t hear the voices and you aren’t suicidal, but you haven’t necessarily been taught how to feel better or manage your mental illness. You are a hostage in an awful situation and to get out you pretend to be better. And when you’re out, all the things you pretended weren’t wrong will still be there. And my point in my previous comment was that in addition to that often, the people who staff mental health centers are not neurodiverse. Often, doctors and nurses have no firsthand experience with severe mental illness, and have to rely on their patients telling them the truth. It’s also common for mental health professionals to consider all of the conditions in a mental ward that can be traumatizing and terrifying to be necessary, harmless, or for patient’s safety. A doctor who sees a seemingly sudden and amazing recovery for someone with severe mental illness will not want to keep that patient for longer than they have to, because of said “necessary” unpleasantness. Keeping a patient too long that is recovering rapidly could cause them to regress, as they enter a mental state that’s able to process the traumatic aspects of mental health treatment in a ward. Tldr: doctors and nurses in mental wards are trying to help their patients, mental wards are often traumatic and scary for said patients, and to escape that many will learn what their doctors want to hear and see in order to mask their symptoms enough to get out of a scary situation.
@@elizabethmulgrew7873 You missed the point he was trying to make. You blamed the hospital and he tries to explain how this could have happened. A mental hospital are governed by strict rules. You are not allowed to permanently hold people against their will unless you are absolutely certain that they are a threat to themselves or others. People have rights. And sadly there are many examples of people being "jailed" by a hospital without proper cause in the past. There is a reason the rules are in place to prevent this. And if a mentally ill patient is able to fool the doctors enough to make them unable to justify holding the patient they are forced to let them go if the patient wishes so. And to be honest I think everyone would like these rules to exist. Or else we all could risk decades in hospitals after a mental breakdown if doctors decided to be better safe than sorry.
I live in Saskatchewan, Canada and grew up in North Battleford, home of the (in)famous Saskatchewan Hospital which was one of two 'state of the art' hospitals build to specialize in mental illness its sister hospital being in Weyburn. My parents told us how this incident changed the province and terrified residents. It truly was a 'people who never locked their doors began to' event. It also marked the downfall of the two hospitals, Weyburn has been torn down and the 'new' Saskatchewan Hospital in North Battle if functioning at a third of capacity with ongoing water and structural issues. Too many people here still think mental health is either a matter of willpower or a supernatural occurrence. The province is a tragic leader in domestic violence and mental illness despite being barely over a million residents. Its heartbreaking this place refuses to learn the lessons from this event.
Familiar with Weyburn & North Battlefield. People in any small community never locked doors. Heck, I spent most my life not locking doors except when Iived in cities. Now in small town, I do not. We went from - what we do not understand - needs to go to mental institution. Now it is - don't need to institutionalize anyone. Reality is somewhere in between. We should have some institutionalized. It's crazy we got people out there doing horrible things to others & living horribly. They are unable to care for themselves & accost people because they are delusional.
I had forgotten about this incredibly tragic story, but your video brought back my memories. It was 1967, Canada's Centennial Year. The whole country was consumed by the happy celebrations of Canada's 100th birthday. Canada was a simpler, smaller place than it is now. I was a teenager taking part in the events, like all school children coast to coast, no doubt including the Peterson children. The joyous festivities were totally interrupted by the devastating news of the Shell Lake Massacre. The entire nation was united in shock and horror. To this day it remains one of the most terrible, tragic events in Canadian history. Words fail to describe the horror and the overwhelming grief. God be with the Peterson family.
As per your request 'Well I never' perhaps this is one for future telling (added edit to clarify the reason for the comment) I am a Brit, ex-pat living in Costa Rica and this was considered as the crime when Costa Rica lost it's innocence. The sad thing is the real culprit(s) were never brought to justice. Masacre de la Cruz de Alajuelita, occurred in 1986 when an adult female and 6 children aged between 4 and 16 were shot dead on a hillside while returning from a religious pilgrimage from the Cross of Alajueita.
About 3 months after I first came here my partner and I moved to Pavas, a suburb on the west side of the capital San Jose and you could see the cross on the hills overlooking the city, this is when I first was told of the basics of the story. It wasn't until the 30th anniversary of the tragedy in 2016 that a feature appeared in 'La Nacion' Costa Rica's main daily paper that I discovered more. There could have been a two further victims (all were female by the way) but these 2 decided they couldn't make the climb so stopped before reaching the cross. The irony of it was the adult female was going there to thank God for helping her overcome her asthma. The judicial system at that time was under immense pressure to solve the case and 4 known criminals were 'identified' as the suspects. But these convictions were overturn later and a criminal ( deceased) know as The Psychopath was presumed to be the killer. However this could never be proved. @@andrewbyrne2173
I definitely remember this as I grew up in Carievale, Saskatchewan...I was almost 10 years old (September 3, 1957) when this massacre happened...RIP Peterson family 🙏
Did you have a pull out couch in your house too? My Grandparents did. They also had a two bedroom house with seven people living in it. It sounds a lot like the Petersons.
@@amandabeaty1492what a weird question to ask? a lot of people had pull-out couches but back then having a big family was the norm, today it unusual in the western society but farming communities it helps with the work.
@@danchinoloves7804 My dad was from Toronto and my mum was from Estevan, SK. When my dad went to visit Estevan for the first time, he said was like a different planet. He'd watch corner gas and got such a kick out of it because everyone had the same decor and dishes. Every home in SK looked exactly the same. My mum lived in a two room house with 6 other people and they had a pull out couch. The boys slept in the living room 3 in a bed. That didn't happen in Toronto. My mum's family didn't have a fridge until the early 1960s whereas my dad was the first house in the block who had a TV. My mum lived in a different world.
A very sad story - strange that it was rather under-reported in the rest of the country. Canada was celebrating its 100th birthday that year, and I suspect that horrible news was not what people wanted to hear.
There are some people that should never be released to walk amongst us...ever again. He was one of them. Shame on the system. My heart goes out to the families.
There's a local murder legend around us here in Castlebar,Mayo, Ireland. Pat Randal McDonnell, was hunted down and killed by George Robert Fitzgerald, though many say GRF hired a pair of hitmen, others that he did it himself, there's talk of a wild west style horse chase and shootout in a small village called Ballyvary. I would love to hear a definitive version of the story??? Maybe??
I remember that day clearly we were all so scared until Hoffman was caught. I was 14, the song "Billy Joe Macallister Jumped off the Tallahassee Bridge was playing on the radio, the song was interrupted and the announcement was made. The news was sad
Isn't it weird, how some events that happen in childhood, seem to stop, almost like a snapshot in time? It was like that, when President Kennedy was shot, too. I was 7, and if I close my eyes, I'm back in the 2nd grade, again.
The murder of Bobby R Moore Sr is an unsolved mystery in my region. He was a town marshal that had just been reinstated after being cleared of murdering his soon to be ex-wife. He was shot out side his house in 1988 and while there were some suspects, no one has ever been charged. Incidentally he was killed the same way his wife's first husband was
I know some people will be revolted by 11 family members living in a 2 bedroom house. My upbringing was only slightly more spacious, with 8 people sharing 3 bedrooms and one bath. Sisters shared a bed, brothers shared a bed and mom and pop had their own room. Nobody turned out to be a bad person. We had the entire outdoors to explore and it was magnificent! We also had incentive to explore the world because "your room" wasn't your room and we didn't isolate ourselves indoors as families do today. Terrible what happened at Shell Lake all those years ago. Unfortunately, these hideous familicides still happen with alarming frequency. Especially in the USA.
Same with my mom's family. 6 boys with 3 sets of bunk beds, and 3 girls in the other room. However, my mom was the oldest and moved out when my aunt was just a baby. We visited a lot, and never thought anything of it.
My family of 8 shared a home with 3 bedrooms, which never seems crowded to us, until my oldest sister began maturing, By then, my father's job with the State Department moved us to Rio de Janeiro, to a very spacious apartment, the likes of which I, at 11 years old had never dreamed of, with 4 bedroom for our now 4 children, and 3 live in maids, 3 bathrooms, for us, and 1 bathroom for our maids, an outdoor patio, and shower, on Copacabana Beach. Talk about culture shock!
2:21 I grew up on a small farm in Alabama at about the same time. I assure you, those children worked their butts off. This is so sad. I think that, if I had been Victor, I would have preferred a humane execution to all those years of continuing insanity. And, it’s such a sin that the press and the public were allowed to desecrate the home and the gravesite.
Love your stories and love listening to you tell them. If I could suggest, please look into the story of James Klindt, a chiropractor from Davenport, Iowa.
If he’s a chiropractor, I don’t care what he’s accused of, he probably did it. They’re dangerous quacks willing to risk paralyzing people to take their money. And if he’s the victim, then it was probably another chiropractor that did it
When people with mental problems got out of mental establishment many stop taking their medication. Social workers told me that their family don't know how to deal with them and some ended up homeless and whiteout any care... All of that because keeping those sick people in cost too much, so they let them go when they're not ready to go at all
Technically a person showing no emotion and not reacting to the verdict and sentencing you're not supposed to show emotion in Canadian Courts as it could be viewed as manipulation. Typically in practice this is limited to major or distracting emotional outbursts, but in serious cases this can be extended to showing any kind of emotion and lawyers often recommend if they think they will break to just look forward or at the floor and try your best to do or say nothing until the judge adjourns the court. This is why you often see the family of a murder victim that is sitting in the galley look depressed but subdued; if they show too much emotion the Defendant's Team can demand they be removed as it will create a bias in favor of the Crown, it's to avoid people using other people's suffering for sympathy that could viewed as railroading or gaslighting the Jury/Judge.
Hi Paul! Love your videos. I think you're one of the few youtubers as well I not only watch the sponsor section but also find some of your sponsors look actually interesting as opposed to "Raid shadow legends for the 1000th time" people... :) Hope you have a good Christmas.
all they had to do was lock the psycho up and all this could have been avoided. if someone tells you they like to kill, you take that seriously. what a sad story.
Agree, there are so many people like this walking around on the streets. They stop taking their meds because they think they are better and boom, anything can happen. Good old care in the community!
Id like to suggest the tragic case of Elsie Paroubek which happened in Chicago in 1911. There is still no proper documentary about her and its upsetting. Its one of those cases ive searched for some time ago but could not forget. And i believe it fits the channel's theme. 🙏
In 1958 nobody in the USA cared about telling a criminal his Miranda rights. If Richard Hitchcock had been told about his Miranda rights he and Perry Smith would not have been convicted.
These family annihilations sadden and scare me the most. Usually the killer is a family member but not in this little known case. Would you consider probing in to who was the killer in the Hinterkeifack murders ? Thank you and your crew for all the research and work you put in to these weekly episodes.And of course your fab presentation skills and your arch humour ( when subject matter allows ).
this is not technically ''family annihilation'' altho the whole family was dead. the definition of that term applies only when the head of the household, the father or mother, kills the partner & all children. this is becoming more prevalent in US & UK
Born in 1972. I remember for many years neighbors and my parents didn't lock front door. Mid 80s several houses were robbed. Then everybody locked doors and windows. It's sad when friends, neighbors and us struggling to keep a roof over our heads. Then some parasite person steals what next to nothing from your family to survive.
You might check out the spree killer Charles Starkweather. Starkweather was 19 in 1957-58 when he killed 11 people in Nebraska and Wyoming USA, accompanied by his 14yr old girlfriend. The seemingly random killings caused the surrounding area to shut down in panic, with schools closed and men wandering the streets with guns. There's lots of photos and articles on this event and you'd do marvelously telling the tale.
Thank you Paul for highlighting this tragedy. Really enjoy your stories and the way you tell them. Wishing you and your family a wonderful Christmas and happy new year ❤️
First, I really like your show. It's been very interesting to see stories of the past. I'm from a small town called Lewisburg in Kentucky USA. There was a murder of a banker and his daughter back in the 50s or 60s I think. There was a book (and not a very good one) called "Murder On Peach Orchard Road" about the murders and the trial afterwards. Just thought I would toss that your way in case you were interested.
I certainly do know of a heartbreaking story from around the mid-80’s, but unfortunately it disappeared shortly after the event. Worse is that my periodic efforts to find anything on it haven’t yielded anything. All I remember is that a small boy went missing, I think his name was Jimmy Corrigan; his little body was found in an ant-infested suitcase in the family home, somewhere in Southern California. It’s been so many years, yet I think of him at least weekly. I only hope that his killer was found.
The father Michael Francis Corrigan was found guilty of the 1982 killing his 4 year old son James in 1983, 1 year after the murder. He was subsequently retried in 1986 and that ended in a hung jury. I can't find anything past that to find out if he was ever convicted in the end.
surprised to see you cover this case! It's not a very well known one even here in Saskatchewan. My best friend actually grew up right down the road from Victor Hoffman's home so I've heard a lot about this and the local reaction after. Super interesting to see you covering one of Canada's lesser known tragedies
How was he discovered cos he doesn't discuss it 🤔 I was wondering if his parents gave him up specially with him being arrested after the funerals. Plus I agree if he was aware to pick up shell casting then he was insane enough to go jail specially with all the years of dreaming about murder he definitely had a plan. An insane person who of let the scene not knowing what they just did and one more thing he actively stopped taking his meds and warned his parents to not allow him to do any work involving slaughtering the animals. Such a shame he didn't care or show remorse even decade's later shows he knew actually what he was doing and is happy he was able to finally slaughter a whole family which was his fantasy
@@danchinoloves7804 if I am remembering correctly, the rcmp went to speak with him after learning he had recently been discharged from the mental hospital and that he had been struggled with serious mental illness. None of the research I've done has said too much about how he was caught but based on all of it my guess would be that he confessed when the rcmp came to speak with him. Don't wanna speculate too much on his mental state at the time of the crimes since I'm not a psychologist but a lot of people were convinced he would strike again before he was caught. It wasn't just people sleeping with guns by their beds, I've heard about fathers spending the night on a chair by the front door, rifle in hand
I was a small child visiting my grandparents in Sack that summer, I remember hearing about this on the radio and I was very concerned that it could happen to us too, but my gramma just poo pooed my concerns away, but it did bother me.
Never ceases to anger me how many times you hear of public outrage regarding the treatment given to vile criminals. Yet their welfare always seems to be more important to the courts & ‘powers that be’ than that of the victims, their families and friends or the public at large. It’s nauseating & seems to happen on every continent. 😡
This was such a tragic story and such a wonderful family all murdered by mentally ill person! Insane asylum in the United States or mental hospitals are all closed now. The only facilities available for paying customers are inmates. So the prisons are full of mentally ill individuals who do not receive help for their mental illness or counseling anytime. This would be a great story to be told, I’m thinking. Take care everyone..
This story has always hit really close to home, being born in Prince Albert, my family has been in PA for a long time, and my grandfathers last name was Hoffman. Apparently my family looked into it, and were NOT related to victor Hoffman, but its always kind of haunted me... What happened was a tragedy.. it shouldn't have happened..
as someone from Sask, hearing a big channel talk about little old us is really cool. saskatchewan seems to go unnoticed compared to the rest of canada.
Another story for your consideration would be the Wallace murders which occurred on 10/31/1910 in Lawrenceville, GA. Elements of the Odd Fellows, an intriguing epitaph on his headstone, and the suspicion of possession.
I worry about people being found guilty when they are genuinely ill, but based on his excuses and actions, this guy, to me, clearly got away with murder and he would have killed the little child if she had not been well hidden. Harming animals is not a feature of his claimed illness, so that is a sad association I guess he used in trying to claim, insanity and his innocence. He was misdiagnosed early on and ran with it.
The tent girl murder is a tragic story that interests me because the police believe they know who did it but it happened in the 60s so they have no evidence to prove it
The young Anglican priest ( a military veteran) who presided over the funeral of this family was a recent graduate from theology college and this was not only his first parish, but his first funeral. Bishop William Crump was his bishop living in Prince Albert. He also attended the funeral.
I've remember this sad heinous story.. The lone survivor grow up being teased and harassed by her classmates, neighbors,but she moved away from her home state,lived a happy life after all.❤️
In 1966 I joined the Army. I was living in Yakima, WA, until I joined the Army. This is the first time I ever heard about this Massacre. Yes. This would have scared a lot of people into being more careful.
@@linda10989 One man said that after the murders every farmer in SK stayed up all night for the next two nights in the kitchen with a cup of coffee in one hand and a shotgun in the other.
Damn, that one was hard. And Paul… damn him! … is such a good story teller by the time he’s through the build up, you feel like you know the people involved! This is one of the best channels on the internet.
Hi Mr. I Never. The case of Steven Pfiel from suburban Chicago, the area known as Palos Hills. Spoiled partyer and eventual thrill killer while still in high school. But he was a beast. And while out of prison (he was 17) on Appeal, the mope kills his younger brother and rapes his sister, while parents were out of the house one fine day. Crazzy with local news coverage abuzzed. Good times the 90s
I believe this is the story I read about in a magazine as a child. I was 7 when this happened but still remember how this affected me even then I lived in British Columbia and my childish mind had a hard time understanding why a anyone could kill a whole family as I still do as an adult.
I wonder why he had a gun when he had murderous urges. But most of all why he was released at all. Schizophrenics are notorious for not taking medication. He needed rigorous supervision his parents didn't provide.
Just remembered a Scottish folktale, though I probably no longer have the book. It was titled ‘the murder hole’, and told how a 12 year old boy exposed a murder racket on a moor
“He feared the hospital more than death.” People are terrified of psychiatric hospitals, and not without reason. But there has to be a safe, secure place to keep people who have uncontrollable schizophrenia. What a horrible disease schizophrenia is. What a horrific, ghastly mass murder he committed.
This omission bothered me too! Did some sleuthing, here's the answer: police did have 5 casings and a bootprint. A neighbor of the Hoffmans tipped the police that a son who liked to hunt had just come back from the mental hospital. Police checked the rifle and the boots at the Hoffman's: match. Not that Victor denied it. This information only recently became available through a podcast of the case. One I recommend by Roco radio productions. They have interviews and original audio, very thorough and nuanced.
The Wolfe family murders in North Dakota. I think it was early 1900's. I remember my grandmother telling us about it and seeing the grave marker on a trip back when i was little when she took us to show us where her family was buried.
@@prevost8686 What IS it, then? Simply evil? A crime in the news today, 2 Jan 2024, I think it might be the guy in Rochester NY with the car full of explosives, or maybe a more local atrocity -- the radio keeps reporting that "it is suspected that he had mental health problems." Well, of course, it would be, wouldn't it! Mental health problems seem to be the 'trending' last refuge of scoundrels.
Suggestion: The Donnelly family of Lucan, Ontario. Horrific and tragic. Unless you already covered them and I missed it. Would love to hear your telling of the story.
I love your channel. I would like for you to do a video on the Carl Dalrymple murders. He killed his wife and five children in 1943 in Alabama. He was sentenced to life in prison but there has always been a rumor that he was released at some point, married again and had another family. This is a mystery because his prison records have disappered. The rumor is that he married the warden's daughter.
Hi Paul, I live in Cobourg Ontario Canada, grew up in Oshawa, I've never heard of this story , Thank you Dearly for doing this Story , Thank you for all you're hard work to bring us these amazing Stories, stay safe n God bless ❤🙏🤗
My father-in-law was a nurse at the Battleford hospital during this time. We have always wondered his roll in dealing with the murderer as he himself despite his training was also an evil, sick man. He certainly would have worked with this killer before he killed. This event shook Saskatchewan to it's very core.
@@hound3000 there was a comment directly above yours that claimed they lived near the house when they were younger and were proud to own one of the bricks from this building. I scrolled back just now to find it and quote it but it must have been deleted or removed by the channel.
@@hound3000 I was just agreeing with you that people shouldn't be using it as a tourist spot and wanted to point out that someone in the comments admitted to taking a piece of the home as a souvenir. It was just wild to me after this whole video, that someone would feel so comfortable as to do, and admit to something like that.
I know the content of the videos posted on this site is often horrific but I love that the gentleman telling the stories doesn’t over dramatise events. He speaks with emotion but in a calm manner. Some sites are annoyingly full of drama and arms wafting around. I thoroughly enjoy the historic background information provided on here to set the scene and put things in context. This is definitely my favourite site. Thank you for the research and the work you put into providing each video.
Hi mate. Love your videos and your voice. Two I can think of that you might like to cover. Eddie Leonski and Katherine Knight....Both happened in Australia. Eddie was during WW2 and Katherine skinned then cooked her husband and tried to feed him to his children.....First female in Australia marked as "Never to be Released". Thanks for your posts 🙂
One I don't see covered often, but which I remember vividly from when it happened: The HiFi Shop murders in Ogden, Utah in 1974. 6 black men (at least 3 of them airmen from a nearby air base) in lilly white Utah and a robbery turned violent. 5 people unfortunate enough to be in the store at the time of the robbery were tortured, forced to drink Drano pipe cleaning solution, and when that wasn't killing them fast enough, one had a pen kicked into his ear. There was also a r*pe involved. It was horrific and so unnecessary. 3 died. The 2 survivors never fully recovered from the damage done to them. It definitely made me say, "Well, I never."
It was 3 men. One of them waited outside & was only charged with robbery & committed suicide after his release. It wasn't just a robbery turned violent, everything they did was planned. They showed up prepared to torture & kill white people.
Before I even got to the relevant point in the video I thought, “He’s going to plead insanity but he apparently has the mental clarity to pick up the shell casings and take their money?” I’m sensitive about the entanglement of mental illness, particularly schizophrenia, and heinous crimes such as this one, probably because I was diagnosed myself. The way these situations get reported often leads people to believe that one is always to be accompanied with the other, which is most definitely not the case. In fact, people who are struggling with their mental health are more likely to be a victim of crime than a perpetrator. So, this individual apparently knew that he was hallucinating but didn’t restart his medication, and although he said he had been struggling with thoughts of killing people he decided to take a gun with him anyway. He then drove a considerable distance at a time when most people would still be asleep, to ultimately murder and rob this family. He actually returned after initially killing only the father, perhaps to dispose of witnesses. What I see is intent. I believe he drove that far because he thought the police wouldn’t be looking further afield, that he chose a family he didn’t know to make it easier to kill them and so the police wouldn’t see a link between them, that his actions after the killings showed consciousness of guilt and fear of discovery, and that he had moral clarity ie.that he knew the difference between right and wrong, and that what he had done was a crime. You can be schizophrenic and still be aware of all of these things, and I believe he was. True insanity is a rarer thing, but in this case I see too much evidence of planning, and then there’s the clearing up of those pesky shell casings. Guilty as charged!
