The Truth about Aventurine vs Fu Xuan! The Meta is Changing!

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The Truth about Aventurine vs Fu Xuan! The Meta is Changing! The Real Value of a Dominant Sustain in Honkai Star Rail is basic, or at least it used to be. In today's Honkai Star Rail that is no longer the same. A true, dominant sustain should be able to accomplish more than just sustaining a team. The game is evolving and it's easier for you to start keeping up now, than it is to play catch up later.
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0:00 "Fu Xuan is Better than Aventurine"
1:23 The Criteria in Question
2:00 The Truth about ONLY Sustaining
13:00 Iyo Gets MASSIVELY CORRECTED
17:11 Why is Aventurine is T0
19:00 Correcting the Misinterpretations of Top 3 DPS Seele
25:50 Wrapping Up Final Thoughts

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@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

GUYS I UPLOADED THE WRONG VERSION OF THE VIDEO EARLIER! MY BAD! If you were a real one and saw the unedited version before it got Thanos snapped comment under this post though! You a real one forreal!

@yrn_serios 16 дней назад

Say less

@SenMid 16 дней назад

I saw it then Put it in the watch later playlist came to watch and saw nothing

@mamonth6985 16 дней назад

Aventurine shields are nice but using Aventurine in Auto feels unsafe compared to Fu Xuan. In MoC I can safely put Fu and expect 3* with Aventurine even on floor 11 Auto managed to lose a character cause Aventurine AI is Dumb and don't skill enough. So for AUTO Fu > Aventurine. Personally with Fu Xuan you lose only when your DPS suck while with Aventurine RNG can triple focus on 1 teammate and your Shield+HP is not enough so you lose a star in MoC.

@Cloutian516 15 дней назад

I saw it Get taken down was like, "oh, my boy was cooking to heavy!"

@zenahreon 15 дней назад

To be fair, as a Blade Enjoyer, I’m not mad about him being Mid. I’m just patently waiting for his buff from either relics or new character to help him lol

@JJ-mn3nd 15 дней назад

I deleted an entire paragraph because I thought you meant aventurine is mid

@IsaelLucasGrob 15 дней назад

@@JJ-mn3nd he is pretty mid if you already have 2 decent sustains and is not interested in having the FuA premium team (IRS team). For new accounts and players needing a sustain he is great, otherwise it's a pretty useless pull imo

@zenahreon 15 дней назад

@@JJ-mn3nd LOL

@johns783 15 дней назад

you buff your 5 stars by getting their eidolons and weapons. if you have those they stay relevant much longer, and at max eidolons they'll remain till the game shuts down.

@Fr00stee 15 дней назад

tbh I'm not sure if he will ever get a good buff since he is so dependent on hp and his dmg isn't super high even with e1. Maybe if there is a support that increases the amount of hp a character has by a lot?

@irem7651 16 дней назад

Real ones know this is a reupload

@silvercloud5344 16 дней назад

Facts

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

Yesssir!!

@Mad_Lad_11 15 дней назад

fr? I just looked at the sus thumbnail and had to click on it 💀 even tho I don't have any plans to pull for her

@THEBeastGohan 14 дней назад

Sus? It's accurate in multiple ways, Adventurine does more damage than Fu Xuan and as far as sustain, Adventurine prevents damage.

@irem7651 14 дней назад

@@THEBeastGohan sus meaning, fu blushing hard

@iSUMMONYT 16 дней назад

On investment i disagree. Fuxuan with 0 relics or LC will still take in 65% of the teams dmg and still reduce the overal dmg the team takes and only gets better with relics. Aventurine needs his relics and def investment to be able to produce useful shields. On utility, objectively, 12% Crit Rate is just better than 15 C.DMG. Debuff immunity for the party is just better than 50% effect res. On this it depends how many debuffs are being thrown at you but still. Aven shits on FX in dmg but aside from DMG Aven doesnt provide much Utility aside from CDMG buff and Effect Res. Also on sustaining, they both get fucked with getting attacked frequently. If the dmg receieved exceeds the shield your hp will drop amd Aven has no way of bringing it back up at all. So it becomes a mattwr of time before someone dies. FuXuan only has that problem in massive nuke type attacks and if they sirvive she can slowly bring them back. I think they are both in the same tier in sustaining but FuXuan has more utlility at normal investment. On everything else I agrre bro. Good shit

@boringstudent0691 16 дней назад

No frequent attacks benefit aven

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

This is absolutely a good discussion to have a back and forth. I think both of them are strong contenders which is why the topic was even addressed so strongly, but I see exactly where you're coming from there. I'd have to say in today's Star Rail, that Effect Res is way too good to pass up on. Especially against enemies like the new Violin lady who can sleep your entire team. The debuff does nothing if my DMG dealers are asleep, y'know? 12% Cr. Rate is awesome, but it's gotten to a point where I just build the crit values better. That beings said, I'd still value that more than the Cr. DMG vulnerability, but I was more so looking at Aven's utility as the DMG he brings alongside the team, not his Cr. DMG vul. I have not seen Aventurine get body rocked yet on being attacked often cause he just puts the shield up before it expires or after. lol That man has perma shields! Fu Xuan loses to massive nukes, DoT, and repetitive bullying. Aventurine does not have a major drawback to any attacks so far. On the side note of investment though, I was going off Prydwen's criteria. They are looking at 0 relics, low investment, etc. To my understanding these are optimal builds without (at most) sig LCs.

@iSUMMONYT 16 дней назад

@@boringstudent0691 i miss spoke there i was refering to Dot that hits frequently but doesnt trigger Aven FUA. But also Nuke attacks. They both suck at those but FX had a way of bringing some of thay HP back to some degree is what I meant

@iSUMMONYT 16 дней назад

@@Iyoverse I can agree to that

@RenzokuArc 16 дней назад

" If the dmg receieved exceeds the shield your hp will drop amd Aven has no way of bringing it back up at all." What do you mean? Aven brings back shield by using skill, you just rarely need to do that, or getting to 7 points which as someone else said, frequent attacks benefit Aven as that's the main way he gains points aside from getting lucky off ult.

@ahlemlora1452 15 дней назад

As someone that likes aventurine a lot and thinks he's an amazing sustain, you are absolutely exagerating the difference between him and Fuxuan. The only place he's noticebly more confortable is in sim uni if you run him in preservation, they are basically identical in other situations, heck, if you run into strong hitting enemies, that "sp positive" of his goes out the window and he becomes sp neutral. Also, in terms of dot, both struggle. Fuxuan takes more damage, Avneturine's shields gets shredded. Yes, he has that 50% effect res but just like pulling characters, a 50/50 is still ass and even if you have effect res on your supports, your dps will probably still end up the biggest victim since he'll have next to no other effect res outside of that 50/50. Edit ; ok, now this is either satire or you've got the whole "spender unrelatability", for players that don't have aventurine's LC, you CHOOSE between making him a good sustain or having him do "eh" damage. You out here describing a E6 aventurine with that "he sustains better than Fuxuan AND he does as much damage as Blade and Argenti"

@jerryeljeremy7790 15 дней назад

Not to mention he struggles when allies taking too much turns, for example E2 DHIL + Sparkle, or Jingliu + Bronya, cuz they lost the shield after 3 turns.

@ectoBiologist21 16 дней назад

Only thing I’ll argue against is not comparing DPS to Acheron. That’s completely hoyoverse’s fuck up, they let her out of the bag and now that will be the standard all DPS are compared to until she herself is power creeped. It’s naive to think any gacha isn’t going to eventually devolve into escalating numbers.

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

She's totally fine where she is in my opinion. There was a standard and she exceeded it. That's completely okay to happen, otherwise everything gets stale. Imagine there never being anyone stronger than Jingliu, for instance. That'd be wild.

@DDemiGodd 15 дней назад

It's not a mess up from hoyo. She's exactly as they designed her to be given who she is.

@ectoBiologist21 15 дней назад

@@Iyoverse Totally agreeing with you. But for future DPS they will inevitably be compared to Acheron, but standards are never exceeded, they are set. Acheron set a new standard and everything after her now needs to meet it or be heavily scrutinized before investment. Boothill for example based on testing numbers absolutely meets that standard, pushing out some cracked out numbers on 3* LCs and is being rightfully looked at in favor by people following that kind of information. Conversely Firefly is currently causing massive discourse among the leaks community because she does not outside of a very particular set up. Everything that came before I agree should not be compared to her, unless discussing rerun value.

@godhimself7708 15 дней назад

@@ectoBiologist21 firefly is getting criticism because her kit is too niche Both boothill and firefly are break units but boothill has a overall better kit compared to current firefly kit Also her stat requirements is just another hurdle most people are hesitant to tackle This makes her a really niche unit and not future proof (going by sunday boss design multi layer weakness bar could be a thing future enemies will have) So if firefly is not breaking then she’s not doing much damage

@muhammadreyhan9668 15 дней назад

honestly i thank Hoyo for this... in the future, i will be easily skip DPS Destruction or Hunt character if my SJ plan cannot afford it... So i can focus on other type of character.... as long as have Acheron, Jingliu, Ration and DIL (with sparkle) , i got no issues with DPS.

@shjinriven3408 15 дней назад

If your Fx dies outside SU and GnG your Fx is just trash. Moc enemies can't beat the shit out of Fx.

@MisturTentacles 15 дней назад

Facts. Outside SU and GnG, my team never dies with fu xuan on the field. If your fu or team dies then that's a skill issue imo or should I say a very relatable fu xuan xD

@shjinriven3408 15 дней назад

@@MisturTentacles Yeah they're yapping their Fx dies in Moc probably a build issue with high Hp build but lower defense.

@0kaiKai 15 дней назад

She can pretty much die in current MoC 12 side 2, if she gets stunlocked. She'll survive longer than anyone else though (besides Gepard who has self-res).

@shjinriven3408 15 дней назад

As i said if your Fx dies your Fx is trash. My Fx has 7500 hp, 2k def, 40 Spd and 50 Eff res I don't even have her sig lc but she didn't experience dying outside SU or Moc. The ones saying their Fx dies in Moc is just bad at building her and she's not that hard to build lol.

@0kaiKai 15 дней назад

@@shjinriven3408 did you even experienced current MoC 12 half 2? Being stunlocked for 5-6 turns without ability to refresh stacks is enough for any FX to die under Kafka's AOE. Yours 7500 hp, 2k one won't last for 3 turns though.

@MapleYum 16 дней назад

Powercreep is nuts in this game. Happy I don’t spend because everything gets outclassed so fast. For me, Fu Xuan is best because she’s classy and Pink. Aventurine can’t even afford a full shirt. Come on now.

@hazardsigns 15 дней назад

Boob windows!

@jamesmandarino6641 15 дней назад

Power creep doesn't exist in this game the games not hard enough to have real power creep

@vincent8136 15 дней назад

Best sustain in the game >>>>> whatever classy and pink is supposed to be 😭 Just accept the fact that he's better

@weregretohio7728 15 дней назад

What I was looking for. It's fun how pretty much every character I pulled for got almost instantly powercrept.

@Paako414 13 дней назад

@an1sXD Boothill rn is probably the most busted ,f2p, and easy af to build dps rn. Im so excited for him

@SariaGSC 15 дней назад

honestly it feels like a bit of an issue on fu xuan build if you are having issues with aventurine boss with fu xuan, she is capable of sustaining into it fine and dice should not be able to ever KO while giving you a free ult refund when you use it in dice phase too. fu xuan to me is the only sustain that can actually just completely brain off sustain every single piece of non g&g content without any risk of death like ever (unless you are taking far more turns vs swarm than you should be). aventurine sustain is definitely still great but its definitely not at 100% levels of reliability, when played completely sp positive on non follow up teams his ability to refresh shields is definitely nowhere near as perfect as you claim, this can lead to issues when you are facing ST content or blast content that decides to DD on a different unit and easily get through ur shields, ST content especially means stack generation is a bit fucked too. its still good though but like this isn't at the same levels of immortal protection in any way. what makes aventurine like 100% comfortably better and deserving of an extra tier is 100% the fact that he has relevant damage, provides similar buffs (and has access to stuff like his s1 too), debuffs for like acheron, and the fact that he can absolutely be played completely sp positive. in practice though a 100% sp positive playstyle on non fua teams does mean that you may have to reset because there are genuine risks of death sometimes, but its a fairly small price since it shouldnt happen often still and you can still commit to having to spend sp occasionally to make it even more ideal.

@keme1770 15 дней назад

No matter how godly your build is, fu is guarenteed to die in longer fights eg. Aven and sam

@rowanmales3430 15 дней назад

@@keme1770 ?? No way. Aventurine Boss is not hard to sustain with even if you take 20 cycles. Just don't ult with Fu Xuan unless it is dice phase and you get infinite reheals. SAM is a more annoying boss cause you are deliberately causing damage to yourself and the small bit of healing is nerfed. Aventurine is is certainly better for that. But he is literally the worst boss in the game to have Fu Xuan against if you are going to take a long time, and only one boss.

@kaltonnja2090 15 дней назад

@@keme1770skill issue mine don't die on him with 4 star lc

@Toasted1218 15 дней назад

who tf reading this shit . 😂

@nickarooroo6397 15 дней назад

This is getting old. Jing Yuan is not the greatest dps in the game, but you exaggerate so bad with your bias against him. Aventurine is fantastic, but he is not doing the same or more damage than Jing Yuan. Let's be fr.

@timmynotjerry 13 дней назад

plus aventurine is a sustainer, not meant to be a dps even if he has some damage built into his kit like let’s be fr here

@Kayfliings 15 дней назад

Why do you always have shit takes? How can you say with a straight face that Aventurine is doing the same damage as Blade and JY?

@Iyoverse 15 дней назад

You watch the video and find your answer. Why do you have numbers in your name.

@pulledporc5334 15 дней назад

Fu Xuan's 12% crit rate for the entire team feels so much more universal than what Adventurine brings to the table outside of follow up teams. Building him for damage is significantly harder without his signature light cone and Topaz is also boosting him with increased follow up damage and at least 3-4 stacks for his shields a turn, so in non-follow up teams he's not hitting the infinite shield sustain as easy. He's still very strong and deserves to be in Tier 0 too, but Fu Xuan is similar to Ruan Mei in that you just throw her on the team, hit technique for free 12% crit rate just for existing and strong enough sustain for most content outside of Gold and Gears endgame shenanigans.

@AlucardMM 15 дней назад

12% cr really, just roll well dude. Plus now with super break, DOT & other break DPS characters coming in. 12% CR means even less. Fu Xuan is a premium sustain that can’t sustain in the hardest content (C20 GnG & soon T6) that’s terrible. Sustaining in MOC is cute when you can just bring another harmony and do it even faster anyway. Fu Xuan is a completely fine sustain for casuals who don’t play hard enough content. But she’s not better than Aventurine. (Not that you said she was, it’s just a little ridiculous that people just gloss over the fact a 5* sustainer can’t sustain when they are needed most)

@bruh8539 15 дней назад

Just neglacting OPenturines op-shields and op-damage + SP-positivity. Openturine is one stage above FX, since you have to cast her skill more often to keep up her heal if extreme ae-damage follows.... be realistic bruh... FX in the last MOC against Aventurin-Boss as example, is nearly impossible for her to tank all the frequent ae-damage for the team, you could win that fight if your dd's are doin' op-damage and that's nearly only doable with a well-build Acheron.

@pulledporc5334 15 дней назад

@@AlucardMM The tier list is literally meant to guide the average player who isn't gonna try hard on stuff like C20 GnG which is nearly impossible for any 5 star sustain to solo outside of Adventurine bc of his reset mechanic. The average player can get a lot of value with 12% crit rate, easily survivig the content they care about and resisting cc, all with low investment. Adventurine has a higher ceiling, no question, but at low investment for casual player the gap aint that big.

@PartherB8 15 дней назад

@@AlucardMMWhat are y’all builds? Fu Xuan almost never dies in Gold or Swarm if you know what your doing. That might be a build problem.

@AlucardMM 15 дней назад

@@PartherB8 there’s no comparison between the performance of Fu Xuan & Aventurine in C20. Fu Xuan would get nuked by Argenti & killed by DOT stacking by the swarm. Aventurine would not flinch at all. His eff res stops DOTs & his shield stacking is superior. That’s not even an issue of builds, It’s just how she works. Big AOE nukes destroy her and she can’t really benefit from SU buffs where as someone like even Gepard can.

@Rob.N. 15 дней назад

Your Aventurine is doing JY numbers per cycle 🤨, I'd like to see that in action.

@keneunaegbu851 15 дней назад

Same lol, I have both Aventurine and JY E0 S1 and that sounds crazy to me

@GhostyBoi119ts 15 дней назад

@@keneunaegbu851take off the lc and you’ll seen😂

@Kayfliings 15 дней назад

Thanks you! I cant believe he is actually a CC with The shit he says.

@Kayfliings 15 дней назад

@@GhostyBoi119ts even without The LC, its impossible.

@GhostyBoi119ts 15 дней назад

@@Kayfliings no not at all do u not know the dmg difference between lc and no lc

@M4SKED2001 16 дней назад

We'll pretend we didn't see the other video

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

Teehee

@Nax_Snax 15 дней назад

i think the problem with seele is the fact shes so gear dependent. Like if your gear is a little too weak and you dont get the kill on the mob its over, your damage just fell off a cliff and becomes sushang levels.

@PaulHofreiter 15 дней назад

Yeah I had mentioned that on his tier list video. He was talking about accessibility and relatability and that’s why it made a character good, but then hypes Seele who is the furthest thing from that and requires hyperinvesting to reach potential compared to other dps. Let’s be real - not everyone is going to farm the QUA set to get insane double crit pieces, especially if they aren’t paying for refreshed.

@mazenabouzaid3721 15 дней назад

Another aspect of his kit that people don’t mention as much as they should is he’s free 50% effect res for everyone with a shield. That’s strong asf cause you don’t need to worry about a cleanse if you don’t get affect with an defuff

@0kaiKai 15 дней назад

And FX provides straight up immunity.

@nickarooroo6397 15 дней назад

@@0kaiKai One instance of "CC" prevention which can make her need to spam skill against many enemies. Aven Effect Res is ALL kinds of debuffs no matter how many instances.

@0kaiKai 15 дней назад

@@nickarooroo6397 his 50% res isn't that much concidering enemies ehr

@larsthememelord3383 13 дней назад

⁠@@0kaiKaiaventurine also has CC immunity on himself with a cooldown. also 50% still is high and it has no cooldown

@deftabyss280 15 дней назад

I feel like while Fu Xuan still isnt bad now. The endgame content is favoring Aventurine with so many imaginary weakness in the upper floors of MoC so he contributes a lot to toughness breaking and damage while also sustaining with his shields. Both are still really good sustain options and provide different things in addition to their sustain

@notxendras7730 15 дней назад

What exactly will you go over in seele's video?

@nuannathan5446 15 дней назад

13:02 I do agree with that, his damage is in the follow up comp (ratio topaz robin) has similar performance to another dps, not to the same level as the 5* options (jing yuan/blade) but his damage does make a significant difference, f2p since launch and got my first ever 0 cycle using this comp

@rico9815 15 дней назад

My only concern is how you’re bringing in gng and sim u into a MoC ranking. Anyone can sustain in MoC imo. We should focus more on what they provide buff, dmg etc.

@Nax_Snax 15 дней назад

I think Fu is really good in Single target damage situations while aventurine is for AOE. Like if its turn 1 and one of your characters gets focused theyll shred the armor and take hp that you cant get back. I think Aventurine will see huge problems in his kit if a boss comes out with insane single target damage that can be used twice or is fast af.

@Balakin2 15 дней назад

You simply cannot use the prydwen recorded stats to make any kind of point. If you want to, then you must also accept that topaz hypercarry is a better dps than acheron, which is flat out absurd. The way the data is filtered is imparting tons of bias into that number that requires explaining far beyond what the unit's strength and capabilities are.

@djiayaolwanderr1113 15 дней назад

My problem with Aventurine is when the enemies burst one unit. It dies. This never happened to me when using Fu Xuan

@bkelso61 15 дней назад

I've never had a unit outright die from a quick jab burst. By the time I've had someone's shield run out, Aven's turn has already come around to refresh it. But different experiences for different folks.

@Kai-jy9zm 16 дней назад

brother I adore aventurine but you are capital GLAZING him rn. hes only doin that much with s1 and topaz AND ruan mei/robin. mines throwin 40 to 50ks out on the f2p eff res cone with topaz SOMETIMES If we're looking at the average player, they're not gonna be high rollin like that That being said tho he still gaps fu and probably huohuo too and is easily the best solo sustain in the game idk why people can't see that

@UltimatePollo3495 16 дней назад

U forgot to mention harmony mc he can do a lot of dmg and with geopard lc it allows adventurine to output similar numbers as it great in helping him get to 4k defense so u can focus on crit

@Iyoverse 15 дней назад

This just isn't true. I glaze, but I ain't glazing Aventurine. A MAN. LMAO Prydwen has the data and they aren't using S1. I accomplish the same results without S1 and often change his LC depending on the team, nor do I need Robin/Mei specifically for him. They are awesome, but that's just them. With that same logic, I should be allowed to go around saying Daniel without Sparkle is XYZ and not catch flack, y'know? 40-50k casual DMG is still a GOOD thing. That's not weak at all so for the average player achieving that, yes. That is worth noting and keeping into consideration.

@TheVengeful0ne 15 дней назад

@@Iyoverse yeah most elites in moc 11-12 have 400-500k hp like the auromaton spectral envoy and all new new puppet elites. so that's 10% or more of their hp in one move

@honeyispure 15 дней назад

always happy to see a video from you tho :3

@Iyoverse 15 дней назад

Thank you Honey! :D

@Kaien-qf6cr 15 дней назад

If you want to see about Seele and DHIL consistency its better look at "use rate" or "top 10 less cycle" rather than only look who can 0 cycle there we can see who is more easy to use and who is more consistent to get low cycle, not only 1 player get 0 cycle and the rest is 10 or more cycle

@user-sx8tc9tj3u 15 дней назад

In the tier list the characters talent in level 8 and ralices with 2 roles in need states crit states in DPS so higer investment do not apply but I'm still waiting for your video about it

@andrew177100 15 дней назад

Lost 50/50 on adventurine banner for yanqing. I don't fully understand adventurines kit but doesn't he need teammates that do follow up attacks to supply his follow ups to keep the shield going? For an sp positive setup anyway. If that is the case fu xuan is the better sustainer for my teams since the main follow up attack focused character I have is Dr. Ratio, I have herta cause everyone has her and I do have an E2 himeko the only one of the three I have semi built is herta for a sub dps on my Jingliu team.

@quineborgeslucas7059 15 дней назад

What he needs are enemies who do AOE/blast attacks, which are a lot. Each shielded character hit adds +1 to his passive. And most enemies with AOE also attack twice, so 5 marks. The next 2 stacks, not considering FUA, can come from his ult which gives 1 to 7 stacks. Plus, he can get extra stacks up to +10, in those cases, he would return to +3. Getting +10 stacks is common for me when playing MOC. With Ult + enemy attacks, he can remain really sp positive. Worst case, he is SP neutral. I only use his E maybe on the start of the fight or during gold and gears. Rarely in MOC after an absolutely busted attack. I think the only case where aventurine would not at least be SP neutral is when we get enemies with busted single target damage or when you bring tingyun and her hidden 999% aggro value. You have to be really unlucky to feel the need to manually refresh his shield.

@bkelso61 15 дней назад

He benefits from FuA characters ( Ratio, Topaz, Herta, Himeko ). But he doesn't explicitly need other FuA characters. As long as his shield is up, he gets a stack for anyone person hit and two if he gets hit himself ( I think it's 2 for him, I always forget. ) The IRS team + Robin is a very good example of this because of how the team meshes together. Numby provides one and Ratio provides one, that's 2-3 maybe 4 if everything syncs up correctly. I saw Gacha Smack say it's a P2W ( or something similar, I think it was more cost heavy? Idk it's been a min.) garbage. To preference, he didn't call the team itself garbage because he said it does really good. You just have to have a lot of components such as eidolons to get the most out of that team. (Which is really a universal statement because every team preforms better the more eidolons you have. ) but back to the point, I digress. He benefits a lot from that type of team comp because his trace allows other FuA's to contribute but he can very much proc his FuA without others.

@MakotoMajima30 16 дней назад

FX been carrying for awhile but Aventurine is amazing. money >>> meta thou I can clear so im not spending on the sus gambler. I actually want to roll for more Gallagher dupes ngl

@shadowbuddy8034 15 дней назад

Hey Iyo! Always love seeing your takes, but I did want to make a small correction, if I'm not mistaken anyway as I don't have an Aventurine, but when you were talking about his utility, you were saying he debuffs on follow-up attacks, but that's only with his signature lightcone no? Unless I haven't seen something in his kit. It doesn't change much as I think you also included one of Fu's lightcone effects when discussing Fu, but I didn't know if this was a mistake as the discussion included the criteria which excluded limited lightcones. Edit: Also hey, at least you aren't one of those people I've seen lately saying Jingliu has completely fallen off/ is mid now/ has always actually been mid

@HSRFirefly 15 дней назад

Thats the problem with alot of people rn, the word mid is used for anyone who isnt on top, even if theyre 2nd best, theyre still being called mid.

@thatshaydude5082 16 дней назад

Fu Xuan has better toes.

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

Okay, but what color toe nails is she wearing!?

@Zemos_zermos 16 дней назад

True meta take (most effective toe available)

@ectoBiologist21 15 дней назад

🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

@iggy_vibez 15 дней назад

@@Iyoversepurple

@Kamishi845 15 дней назад

But have you seen Aventurine's fingers?

@pastor_necro815 15 дней назад

I’m currently going through the vid rn, but I kinda separate Fu Xuan and Aventurine when it comes to what they’re good at really. Like it may sound odd at first, but I have Fu Xuan being the best when it comes to damage mitigation and Aventurine being the best shielder

@SuperKOR246 14 дней назад

Isn't taking no damage at all better than taking some damage?

@verugeruu3408 15 дней назад

These people, you need 2 sustain!! Get them both

@pokedude3221 16 дней назад

i already have adventurine, should i go for fu xuan as my second sustain (i'm a new player) or should i wait for a healer like luocha or huo huo

@The_real_John3879 15 дней назад

Huohuo for cleanse and energy but you probably have lynx from pure fiction who can do it for now I think Preservation will grant allies res in the future and Abundance will grant cleanse cause if Preservation can grant cleanse then Abundance will just become useless Side note: break meta just came and if you have e2 Gallagher ( he's really good which for some reason he basically have 100% res) then you don't need a sustainer. Hell if you want to just bash things with your face, Robin is in the game now. She make your characters 100% action forward. Enemies can't hurt you if they don't have a turn that technically a sustainer

@shiranuishogunsaga8451 15 дней назад

Yes, Gallagher is very good. Bc of him I decided to skip Luocha and I don’t regret it!

@bkelso61 15 дней назад

Really depends on what your account looks like. You have Aventurine so theoretically you can skip Fu Xuan and wait for HouHou ( Simply because Luocha already had his rerun with Acheron ). But, you're not necessarily shooting yourself in the foot if you do go for Fu Xuan. That opens up your potential second team with a good sustain in where you can't slot in Aventurine or vise versa. Rn, I run Aventurine and Luocha together, not because they compliment each other in any way but more so for while I'm farming for mats to build someone or because I don't have someone built yet ( in my case, that someone is 2 people because I haven't started working on Robin and have to work on Ratio as well. )

@pokedude3221 15 дней назад

@@bkelso61 I'm planning to run her with jingliu and also with xueyi in another team wdyt?

@bkelso61 15 дней назад

@@pokedude3221 Not bad. Jingliu and Fu Xuan will be the most notable part of that team because of Jingliu taking hp from everyone else on the team once she's in her spectral transmigration state. AFAIK, you'd have to keep up with Fu Xuan's stacks for her heals since Jingliu's hp taken can add up really quick if the enemies aren't dead yet. That's why Gallagher and Luocha are good in her comps because Luocha just exists and heals and Gallagher ( after ult I believe ) achieves the same value. If you want a sub DPS that REALLY meshes well with Jingliu specifically, Blade if you have him. Blade loves losing hp for his dmg and Jingliu does just that and actively gives Blade a stack towards his follow up.

@arthurfl433 16 дней назад

13:51 we blade mains are in shambles rn

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

LMAO I was corrected tho!

@stephorozco8911 14 дней назад

(Sorry, last comment, haha) In regards to Seele, I wonder if players are devaluing her because she is single target? And also powercrept for being our first limited DPS? Like, I can understand that powercreep will ALWAYS be inevitable, especially in a gacha game, but even when I played DHIL for a while, I still believed Seele to be superior because of her Advance Forward that you can juggle with her Ult (defeat enemy, advance forward, skill/basic attack, Ultimate for another KO, advance forward again). Sure, DHIL has crazy CRD output, but he eats up skill points like nothing without Hanya/Sparkle and needs better speed tuning than Seele. It feels weirdly inefficient to have to run (at worst) 2 supports for DHIL, when Seele can just play in mono-Quantum and have a field day. IDK just my thoughts, and I could also be missing something here outside of DPS/long-term meta utility.

@Audaciter2 15 дней назад

Keep in mind, when comparing the MoC statistics, that Acheron was I believe the only character who was shown to use no sustain teams, that's why she had the 0 cycles and other characters didn't. People are still on the honeymoon phase, so they use her a lot over other characters, so the other characters don't really have the required number of uses for the sustainless runs to be recorded. Acheron is strong, she is not that strong. She's barely ahead of the other damage dealers and right now it could be said, that it's because of the turbolence buffs and lightning weaknesses helping her get ahead of the other damage dealers. The statistics also show the combined total of cycles from both teams, so they don't really represent what characters actually get. For example, if the player cleared in 10 cycles, one team could've clearead in 0-10 and the other in 0-10, there's too many variables.

@DTVenom 16 дней назад

Would this count as a Double Upload, aslo when THE NIKKE Video going happen.

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

Gotta get Nikke to pay me up! Yeah!!

@jamin3131 15 дней назад

Hsr really making these sustain decisions very hard. I wanted to get either fuxuan or houhou but the "powercreep" is so real. I also have gepard and Gallagher but there are times I'd like that extra edge that the limited sustains offer. I'll probably end up trying for fuxuan and if I lose the 50/50 I'll try for hou hou, and if aventurine rolls again and not power crept I'll get him?

@bkelso61 15 дней назад

They'd have to make a sustain that either competes directly with Aventurine or offers something just as valuable. A new sustain would either need cracked shields for lower investment than some would need for Aventurine or bring something like giga cracked dmg red.

@nightmarewolf1710 15 дней назад

@Iyoverse can you please make a video on topaz? I feel like she is getting neglected. Yes, she is niche overall, but genuinely, fua is and will probably be a huge arche type like DoT already is and no one calls kafka niche. Idk, I just feel like she's still underrated af.

@Iyoverse 15 дней назад

Baby girl has been getting neglected since her launch banner. I'm working on something to talk about her now though so should happen before she leaves the banner!

@nightmarewolf1710 15 дней назад

@@Iyoverse Thank you homie

@terraemiya8448 15 дней назад

I got gepard Lc twice on standard within 20 pulls and later pulled Aventurine as my first 5* sustain. CD body and speed boots. Man does it all dude it's unreal, SP, gets targeted more. And since my NOW E5 CLARA (game won't give me any other spooks) i kept rolling for FUA support like Topaz. Topaz Aventurine Ratio is a TOTALLY different game man.

@grammysworld5449 15 дней назад

I have Seele but i never use her.. Should i use my selector for Bronya, E1 Himeko, or E1 Clara?

@bruh8539 15 дней назад

Bronya bruh

@grammysworld5449 15 дней назад

@@bruh8539 I already have Robin and Mei.. Is her and Seele really that good?

@bkelso61 15 дней назад

@@grammysworld5449 Bronya is always a good pick. She's ROUGHLY on par with Sparkle because they both have AA on skill for a unit. However, her most notable pairings are usually Jingliu, I think Blade despite where he is rn, probably Seele ( I don't have Seele since I started back in 2.0 ) but Bronya will always be a good pick. That's why no one really loses their shit if they lose a 50/50 to her because she really does only get better ( Go figure lol. ) with eidolons.

@grammysworld5449 15 дней назад

@@bkelso61 yeah I chose Bronya.. I sometimes forget how good E2 bronya on my alt is

@bkelso61 15 дней назад

@@grammysworld5449 For sure. I dropped Bronya early because I didn't really get much out if her early on. But now that I'm caught up with the game's story and actively building characters now, she's at the very least in my top 3-5 to build from everyone I have.

@yrn_serios 16 дней назад

We backkkk🔥🔥🔥

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

Ayyye!

@binggoesthedinomite 15 дней назад

I have E0S0 aventurine. I have him in every team I make that I can even conceive with my account. He benefits heavily on having enemies attack multiple people at once (Like the lantern fish) I have had him do 3 FoAs in one cycle because of that benefit alone. The only thing I am not a fan of atm is the lack of damage reduction as is for me, But to be fair that would be kinda crazy. Even funnier, The stacked shield persists in its entirety as long as it is reapplied before disappearing. (I.E if aventurine gets multiple turns where the enemy doesn't do much damage or any damage, every 2 turns he can reapply the shield and it will either increase it up to 200% or keep the 200% if it is already at it.) I didn't think I would like him because with shoddy relic investment, he does no damage and no real good shielding. But with a good - subpar set. He gets a lot better depending on how you build him. I run 2pc FoA 2pc Shield and right now my best bet is to either replace the 2pc FoA with divers that doesn't have the def% or with a different FoA set that doesn't have def% (the 2pc FoA are hands and hat) as he is at 4.5k def at the current moment.

@NiaTheMilkTank 14 дней назад

Nah the Seele statement is wild af. Raw damage is pointless unless its e0S0 no relics. Seele falls haaaaaaaaard there. Also that argument is flawed since it actively ignores this is a Team game The reason Dhil is their is ONLY because of Sparkle thats all. Seele NEEDS more character slots and thats why shes lower since its a less flexible team comp

@samueldeodato5270 15 дней назад

I agree with the statements... but just to put here.. aventurine debuff on hit is only with his lightcone.. .with on the criteria is forbidden

@stephorozco8911 14 дней назад

18:15 that is so interesting you mentioning BS having energy issues because I play her around her basic atk (123% EHR lezgoo, haha), so I hardly notice; but this is good to know, regardless, whenever I want to further test Arcana/Atk% stacking.

@tallyhoswilly_4973 14 дней назад

U forgot to add that huo huo can res twice at E2

@why-so-toxic_1413 16 дней назад

Fu will always be a strong team sustainer but sadly aventurine is better then fu but fu is still my number one because she’s cute

@xMckingwill 16 дней назад

This this right here

@timmynotjerry 13 дней назад

i mean… both are great in their own ways to the point it balances ou

@thelastgamurai 15 дней назад

Phone case tier list next?

@Iyoverse 15 дней назад

Gotta make this a Discord community thing for real. lol

@rafaeldejesus7297 13 дней назад

finally some one speaking the thruth!

@NYCVideoChild 15 дней назад

Hi, Iyo! Back for some more friendly discourse lmao. Just wanted to touch on something that was mentioned that I don't think you considered in your criteria BUT lets start where we agree lol. My own personal tier list has Seele in T1 and Fu Xuan in T0.5. So, me personally, I agree with a lot of points that you mentioned. Especially under the Prydwen criteria. NOW lets get to where we differ: Showing MoC Cycles without context is a bit disingenuous but I dont think this was on purpose at all to your defense. Adventurine MoC was REALLY favorable to quantum and Ice DPS and very unfavorable to Imaginary Units. That being said his average clear cycle was still around theirs. This current MoC is more fair to make this comparison. With all that being said, DHIL is doing better than both of them and unlike his peers, he does NOT have two designated limited buffer units that exist to make him deal more damage. He is still using Tingyun, a T1 support. Not saying that this is bad but it is clear DHIL still has substantially room to grow and is still doing better than the units you mentioned. Not only is DHIL's floor higher, his ceiling is also higher. For that reason I would put him in T0.5 with Jingliu. Also up for some friendly discussion. Love you brother!

@Tenosyn 16 дней назад

My only problem is Aven is that he really sucks if one random teammate gets hyper focused. I have had issues where enemies attacks Topaz 6 times in a row. Even reshielding on aven turn couldn't save her.

@3.16music 16 дней назад

That’s why Gepard LC is so good in him

@UltimatePollo3495 16 дней назад

Yeah but evens out as same thing with fu xuan but aoe

@Cocxy69 15 дней назад

The thing is it's still manageable, Unlike fuxuan aoe kill

@chaoticdarkhearts 15 дней назад

That is a problem even if you run Fu Xuan…

@marquisstevenson7036 15 дней назад

Fu has the same problem 😅

@droopy_2938 15 дней назад

I'ma be honest if you're using adventurines light cone of course he's doing good dmg but I doubt its 70k fua like that's gota be cap

@Skyeeee03 15 дней назад

i love lady fuxuan because she gave crit rate buff to my acheron 😂❤

@Gameplayr95 14 дней назад

How are you even hitting 70k-100k with his FUA? I know mine isn't built the best but with 3970 DEF, 24CR/163CD out of battle, and running Concert at S1; mine should be hitting around 35k-45k with your stats as comparison. But he hits like 17k on his FUA against 4 enemies. Is 4pc Knight vs 4pc Pioneer just *that* much of a difference? Or would it be that plus your Imaginary orb vs my Def orb? I'd think it was the team, but you mentioned 'normal teams', so I would assume that 70k-100k isn't from Robin and Topaz being on the team.

@ruinmei 15 дней назад

skipped aventurine because i need a strong ice dps so i pulled jingliu but i will surely prioritize aventurine on his rerun even though i have fu xuan and huo huo. his kit is just so good but i have to get my teams checked first. i only need sam, topaz and aventurine and a future strong quantum dps and my account is complete.

@Fr00stee 15 дней назад

9:00 u forgot that fu xuan makes your entire team resist cc once per use of skill and aventurine gives 50% eff res for all teammates. This means that fu xuan is good for aoe attacks that don't one shot and also apply cc. The 50% eff res while decent only gives you a 30% chance of resisting a debuff, to get a better chance of resisting you need to build like another 20-30% eff res on your chars which is a waste of substats for dps

@zeyez4961 15 дней назад

4:35 i don't think Aventurine (boss) stomps Fu Xuan, but definitely requires certain gimmick to manage this problem, like make sure that she can ult when he calls those dices whenever she uses ult there, she will gain another talent charge and the "Bet" will make sure that her ult is maxed for the next gamble, specially in the 2nd phase sure, she will stop being slightly sp positive to neutral, or even negative, to keep up with his 2-turn dice rotation, but its all about adapting with the options that you have at the moment the main Weakness of Fu Xuan is that she needs to fill her ult to stay alive and that her skill doesn't stop DoTs, which is why is her weakness against the Swarm: DoTs and not much energy from taking hits her strenght is more against big, or fast, single target hits, like against that monkey and the fact that he has more teamwide buff value compared with him while Aventurine has, as strenght, the fact that he benefits to fight against enemies that relies on AoE damage, so he can charge his follow-up faster and the fact that he has built-in team Effect Res against DoTs edit: and has the damage but his weakness is exactly where Fu Xuan excels: single target nuke damage, he can't use recharge the shield if the team doesn't take multiple, scattered hits, which starts to make him SP negative to compensate against such thing

@Papopip 15 дней назад

Bro how tf is ur aventurine hitting 70 - 150k dmg is this sim uni or just regular battles?

@donnellhopkins8879 15 дней назад

I got both adventurine and fu xuan. I like using my gir fu a lot! But he’s just better. Like you said bros multiple ways of shield replenishing is ridiculous. She dies easily from big ass aoe attacks while he doesn’t. Plus on them big ass aoe attacks makes him follow up attack more frequently. Fu still good as hell though but he’s just better 😂 and I dont even use the man in his optimal follow up team lol

@MisturTentacles 15 дней назад

Me with my 10k hp fu xuan that's never died outside swarm and gng: "skill issue"

@samvalid 15 дней назад

Aventurine vs fu xuan sounds so weird to take about since there are too many scenarios Fu xuan will fall short. That being said aventurine isn't perfect either. But E1 fixes him his up effective shield uptime (percentages) so you can be sp positive. (in most scenarios) . If new moc 12 was an indicator enemy damage put will clear shields faster forcing him to skill more often. If the shield uptime can't keep up; that will be a problematic scenario. Without needing to branch out to other limitations. (stacked dot, others being cc’d) BUT for now, he's the closed to that “fit in multiple scenarios sustainability yet offers offensive support in a timely manner.

@alemantos8340 15 дней назад

Absolutely 1000% agree with you.

@GhostEmblem 14 дней назад

I'm not sure what you mean by loses to Aventurine boss. any sustain that can hit AoE is fine agaist him.

@cid3303 15 дней назад

i hear some scarlet nexus music, good taste man

@seunabe4612 16 дней назад

Can I just say pre watching the video that I'm not even entirely sure why this argument exists when Aventurine is clearly better than her? And not to say that Fu Xuan is bad or anything close to that, but Aventurine is just straight up a more complete character. He is a better sustainer than her when purely discussing sustaining across ALL of the game's challenges, and then what else is there, she has the one time debuff immunity (which aventurine has on himself every other turn mind you) per skill cycle, which is good, even better than the 50% effect res for the whole team when you're not being riddled with debuffs, but when you are it simply does not compete, and the 12% crit rate which is very good, and even better than the 15% cdmg that Aventurine gives, but that's where it ends. Aventurine does SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than her, and that 15% cdmg he offers comes in the form of a debuff which then greatly adds to his value for characters who can use debuffs, I truly don't think it's particularly close which of the two is just the better unit.

@gameexpert133 15 дней назад

C1 =30 cd and c2 gets hwr whole team a revive

@seunabe4612 15 дней назад

@@gameexpert133 E1=20% cd and an extra stack of shield on ult and E2=12% all type res reduction on basic, one of these sets of eidolons is very much better than the other

@RenzokuArc 15 дней назад

Gotta double up on the crit increase being a debuff thing, not only does it directly benefit certain characters kits (Ratio and Acheron), the literal best 2pc relic effect for a dps character relies on a debuff being on the enemy

@Cocxy69 15 дней назад

@@gameexpert133res penetration + debuff >>

@balzo_benevolo 15 дней назад

That's what I was saying too even before Aventurine came out. In longer encounters, especially with enemies applying DoTs, Fu Xuan just falls off too hard. Aventurine doesn't, and he provides a sht ton of utility. Correct me if I'm wrong, but rn the only team in which Fu in bis sustainer is mono quantum. In any other team, Aventurine is just superior, right? Give it a few patches and maybe some new DoT character that can heavily benefit from Huohuo, and maybe Fu will go down and Huohuo up there with Aventurine. That's just my opinion tho.

@OdysseyNaafiri 14 дней назад

Ways to equate Fu Xuan's sustain to Urine's: * Heal 20% on ult *E1 resets matrix of prescience *Technique lasts 3 turns not 2 *3 party wide cc resist, refreshed after ult * 15% of Xuan's max health to allies. * +10% damage mitigation for every ally over 4.2k hp *7% health increase to Fu xuan per talent proc up to 5x

@sleepy3474 16 дней назад

But what if i just pulled both?

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

Then you're a winner like us.

@sleepy3474 16 дней назад

@Iyoverse I don't have a second limited sustain. So it gives me slightly more reason to pull for fu xuan aswell. Minus me just having a biased like for her and I'm a QQ enjoyer.

@usscolumbia6149 15 дней назад

I would say that Aventurine, Fu Xuan, and Huo Huo are all equal. They all exceed in an area that the others lack, and they all have a specialty for sustaining. Fu Xuan does suffer against big AoE attacks but those arent too common outside of SU which isnt a factor on the list. Huo Huo and Aventurine do sometimes struggle against multiple instances of single target damage especially when they arent the ones being hit. Which is definitely more common in MoC. Overall i do value Fu's crit rate more than aventurine's dmg but they are both about equal.

@skych.1877 11 дней назад

i believe all characters are good just that how you teamcomp them and made a good use out of it.

@kev1834 15 дней назад

why people have so many arguments between aventurine vs fu xuan? at the end of the day u need 2 sustains for all the content on the game. just use them both, aventurine is my first 5 star sustain and im still gonna get fu xuan as my second one, there is not too much science on it, keep the good work iyo i recently started watching ur videos and i like ur arguments

@crazyface2154 15 дней назад

I feel like people need to hear that they still have cracked asf units if they have Fu Xuan and Luocha instead of super cracked Aven and Huo just because people either get too attached to their units or dont want to believe that they had a bad investment when really (most likely) one day both Huo Huo and Aven will probably see a unit that can do things better anyway. In any case I see extreme value in Fu Xuan and Aven anyway and the argument IS there for one over the other in terms of future proof (since you know a shield ignoring enemy will be implemented one day fo sho). Not saying you don't recognize and highlight other strengths but some people just see the flat tier number or letter and say "mid" for being like 5% worse.

@octane728 15 дней назад

I really only started actually playing HSR when Acheron released, and when I got Aventurine and his LC, i've been super thankful for that investment. He has genuinely been one of the best investments I have made for my account. Tbh, him and Acheron really carry my account. Before him, I did not have any limited sustain units.

@justinekyle28 15 дней назад

acheron+aventurine bro ur never lose again except moc 😂

@Fr00stee 15 дней назад

aventurine's damage is ass without his signature lightcone he literally loses like 50% of his dmg without it. I can definitely see aventurine being comparable to blade in terms of dps with his lightcone though

@SenMid 16 дней назад

DONT SLANDER MY BILLION DOLLAR WAIFU ILL CANCEL YOU ON TWITTER 😭

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

Yo chill! I haven't made enough money to get canceled yet! lol

@SenMid 16 дней назад

@@IyoverseYOUR BAD TAKES ARE AFFECTING MY HEAD CANON FU XUAN IS THE ONLY SUSTAIN THAT SHOULD BE PRAISED FOR SUSTAINING 🤓

@Zoeila 15 дней назад

my Kafka is far and away my best dps. but i have to stop myself when i wanna clap back that my Kafka is E2 S1

@PaulHofreiter 15 дней назад

Even e0s0 Kafka is insanely good, and can only get better with time. Truly an S+ tier unit. My DoT team is my least invested in terms of eidolons and LCs - BS and Kafka are both e0s0 and that team is doing comparable damage to other teams with signature LCs and an eidolon or two here and there (unless it’s Acheron lol but she can even slot into the DoT team sometimes if I’m using g her team members elsewhere)

@stephorozco8911 14 дней назад

Legit, the FREE SHIELD on entering battle was a major reason I pulled for Avi (outside of story reasons, ofc 😅) Fu Xuan I still want, though, due to instant mitigation. HuoHuo has been super helpful in target cleansing, but she eats up skill points a bit too much.. (still love you, tho, HuoHuo)

@SmartyPantsDash 16 дней назад

Early crew!

@blueblazedemon 15 дней назад

12:28 exactly and with the whole firefly/Sam thing alot of people are saying she's mid or does horrible damage like bruh she does alot of damage it's just people have acheron brainrot if a new DPS unit isn't doing acheron damage or higher oh there automatically mid and need to be buffed

@HSRFirefly 15 дней назад

There are even some "dreams" of her team outperforming DHIL, JL and even Acheron vs enemies that are not innately weak to fire but is innately weak to the other dps' element.

@Senphii 14 дней назад

Her damage is not bad but some people focus too incredibly hard on Damage per Screenshot. Over the course of her ult Firefly does an incredible amounts of damage

@1000tlt 15 дней назад

I'm vibing with the nikke ost

@Noki_is_wanted 11 дней назад

Only thing I dont agree with is Dan slander I tried 3 different times on imaginary weak stages Dan,Ting,Aven,SW and then the Dr.ratio version both on the herta lightcones e0 and Dan cleared faster each time my ratio build is also better than my Dan's I would say. This is also more of a ratio team

@corkeeeeeee 15 дней назад

Jing Yuan would be doing more damage...if he was CC'd out the wazoo

@HSRFirefly 15 дней назад

Idk about how Iyo builds his Fu Xuan but mine is capable of surviving the new weekly boss' (not stating name to avoid spoilers for others) Edit: Also, that Aventurine SP infinite is a load of bullcrap. While he is SP positive, even with 4k def, i still find myself the need to re-cast his skill since some of my other units had their shield down in several cases. Edit 2: Bruh, build ur jing yuan before saying those stuff. Like holy, that Jing Yuan take vs Aventurine in terms of damage is so bad. JY is definitely doing more than Aventurine in terms of damage. What? Did u just include Topaz LC + E1 and Robin E1+Ult+Skill THEN Aventurine LC and compared it with ur "average" JY using Breakfast and only TY as the support? I havent seen an Aventurine FUA hitting for 100k. Not even 50k.

@909090438 15 дней назад

The problem with seele is that if you haven't farmed a quantum dungeon for half a year, your seele just won't have the damage to kill minions on the 12th floor for 1 single skill (not taking into account a cringe party with 3 supports). and if the seele doesn't kill minions for 1 skill, it becomes complete garbage (that's how 99.9% of hsr players have the seele). The ease of assembling the character should also factor into the character's grade. That's why Dot pati are so often used, people don't want to spend half of their life wearing seele.

@muhammadreyhan9668 15 дней назад

NOW I agree.... at first i even thought that Fu Xuan slightly better than Ave. BUT after i use Ave,,, i realize many thing better on aventurine. He's better than Fu 1. As you said, so many shield refill method (skill, follow up, Ulti (with eidolon)) 2. He trigger the follow up surprisingly fast, especially if the enemy is AoE user... 3. His ulti increase the follow up count as well 4. The Mass effect res 70 % (thats HUGE) and the one effect per turn immunity for aventurine really powerful, especially (as you said) on the long battle. 5. Effect Res, block Dots (this one Fu dont have, she only on CC debuff) Most of all, he's FTP friendly, you can still go well even with E0 without sign LC Thank you for the insight Iyo

@PaulHofreiter 15 дней назад

Aventurine is not a reliable debuffer. You’re too used to his LC I think - this is why Trend Gepard is still the best sustain for Acheron in many cases, because he will give more debuffs. I’d be curious to see your damage with Aventurine using a f2p LC, since the second half of the video you’re talking about how it has to be s0e0 to evaluate but seemingly only talking about s1 Aventurine when comparing to other sustains. Don’t get me wrong - I am very glad I have Aventurine and think he’s amazing. But you’re also overhyping him. I’d love to be proven wrong though, because I don’t see anywhere near the damage you’re saying he can do (again, if we are really talking about e0s0). If you’re *not* talking about s0 then the argument falls apart for more than one reason but even just to give one example Huohuo with s1 sustains remarkably better since any ult is regaining hp. That’s why I’m curious to see some clarifications.

@Iyoverse 14 дней назад

E0S0 Aventurine I don’t inherently use for DMG and actually use that very same Trend LC or Gepard’s to increase his aggro. His DMG on those teams comes from getting hit and trying to trigger FUAs as much as possible since he’s not on the IPC Emergency team. Since I have them, I often use LCs in association with whatever build or team I’m going for to get the job done. Like right now my Aventurine, specifically for this Seele stuff, is rocking a 4pc Knight’s set so I can keep shields as long as possible and save SP.

@PaulHofreiter День назад

@@Iyoverse Thanks for the clarification!

@MineMineMineMineMineMineMine 15 дней назад

Maybe you predicted the future AND you're a genius!

@reflexo12 14 дней назад

I have aventurine and fuxuan. Both without sig, as the tier list says... Aventurine is a lot harder to hit 4k def and wont shield that much without spending points he will not save your team with just Fua shields, also does waaay less dmg because you just cant go full dps build! About fuxuan, many times i ask myself how can she die... even big aoe dmgs wont kill her, mine is very well builded already, the only problem i find is longer fights because squish characters like silverwolf start dying... also, sam figh was a pain in the ass, ny solution to that was acheron as dps, like i said problem is longer fighs and acheron did the job.

@tayana2954 14 дней назад

I'm sick of hearing people downgrading Aventurine damage. I mean he really CAN outperform some of the DPS chars. But to be fair we should say that he NEEDS his sig LC for hitting those numbers. And It doesn't mean he needs sig LC for sustaining his team.

@btkchaosreaperj.c7642 14 дней назад

I personally after trying Both out, I feel They are on equal terms. Adventurine is Weak to Heavy single target Sustaining. If one character keeps getting hit and there's no AOE happening ,then he is forced to use his Skill or ult to save that character. Fu can continuously Save characters So long as she is alive. Also the guaranteed Effect resist on fu is amazing, in case a heavy CC like Domination goes through the 50% of adventurine. Adventutine on the other hand gives u a 50% chances to resistant multiple instances of dot which can help u again that. 50% is Not as well as huohou multiple clenses but better than nothing. So all 3 have their ups and downs

@romandohnal7597 15 дней назад

I don't understand what FX builds people use to say Aventurine is better. FFS, I have never seen her die in the scenarios mentioned.

@vincent8136 15 дней назад

He's literally just better, that doesn't mean fu xuan is bad tho. Aventurine is just better as is.

@JohnDoe-si4eg 15 дней назад

It’s mostly that he can sustain just as well or better. Practically never worse. Furthermore he still has a crit buff, even if not nearly as good as Fu’s while still able to put out decent dps numbers depending on build.

@flyingcucumber9325 15 дней назад

@@JohnDoe-si4eg Sure he is better at AoE scenarios but FX is just better against single target considering Aventurine doesn’t have a high aggro like Gepard. His shield per ally can’t be as good as fu xuan’s mitigation

@JohnDoe-si4eg 15 дней назад

@@flyingcucumber9325 In theory sure, but almost every enemy encounter will have an aoe (meaning aven will probably proc his shield regen). Not to mention he can just skill to get over a 2000 hp shield. You’re not really going to have an enemy burst through that. While Fu seemingly does struggle in certain forms of content that no one is saying aven does. Biggest complaint I’ve seen is that he can’t be played super sp positive outside of the ipc team. That’s why is sustain is at least as good. Add everything else and it’s why he’s considered better.

@flyingcucumber9325 15 дней назад

@@JohnDoe-si4eg Yeah but I mean I don't think Fu is struggling in MoC or PF. She is still as comfortable as the first day. The only place I see a difference is SU and we still have to get lots of preservation blessings for that (by that time other shielders became op too)

@alighaebi734 15 дней назад

For average player and builds dhl is better than seele and ratio yes they are better if you want to get sweaty and 0 cycle yes your problem is that you base everything on 0 cycle not the average experience

@JJKMagic 14 дней назад

In what world do Aventurine and Fu Xuan do the same thing? Aventurine PREVENTS the entire team from taking damage, not just mitigate it, and he offers Effect RES to the entire team for the entire duration of his shield without needing a single skill point. And that is ignoring all the other things he can do on top of that.

@JoyBoyAlter 15 дней назад

Nah, Fu Xuan with little investment performs just fine. With good investment, she's great. She's not worse than Aventurine, sorry. At worst she's the same level as him. She's been a game changer since her release, and continues to be invaluable.

@neilwaterson2487 15 дней назад

Me can't get aventurine because jade empty to pull acheron🗿 wait for rerun 😢

@keme1770 15 дней назад

Aven dmg in st is crazy

@Stormie91 15 дней назад

So you’re saying I shouldn’t pull for her

@iSUMMONYT 16 дней назад

Tried commenting on the OG version and it didnt let me lol

@Iyoverse 16 дней назад

I had to snap it outta here cause it wasn't edited. LOL

@iSUMMONYT 16 дней назад

@@Iyoverse i noticed but since it was a stream clip i thought you just let it go like that

@ishtarvaron4980 15 дней назад

Aventurine is incredible, yes. I didn't pull him as I have Luocha and Fu Xuan, and I'm not a fan of its casino design and animation, but for those who don't have them he was unmissable in my opinion. Prioritizing design and animation over meta, I passed. However, I may be interested in a leak of a character that could be part of the preservation, as I liked the principle of her alpha kit, so we'll see.