Perfect. Just finished watching Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Knicks. Each of those 3-Peat Bulls had some battles just to get to the Finals.
Jordan was a great player, his fans however are the most toxic fans I have ever met, and that is the reason why us lebron fans are sometimes being toxic in debates
@@dynamic6645 --- I don't argue with females, children, or drunks. I don't know which one you are; probably a drunk, female child. However, please find something productive to do.
Jordan's performance against the Suns in '93 is one of the least talked about carry jobs in NBA history. Both teams scored the same amount of points despite the Bulls winning in 6, which shows that Jordan needed every bit of the 41ppg he averaged to get the Bulls that title.
9 out of 12 Finals games between Chicago and Utah were decided in the final seconds, and the 1997 Finals was decided by 4 points total. 0.6 PPG separated Utah and Chicago in that Finals. One of the closest Finals in 50 years up to that point. Utah also won the most games of any team in the 1990s, and had a win percentage of 71% from 1994-2000 -- best in the league, and better than teams like the 2000-03 Lakers. Utah is hugely disrespected because they peaked at the wrong time.
Jazz players peaked in the late 80’s but just like bulls they had to wait for the better teams to retire or get old and injured to finally get to the finals. No way was jazz better than 00-03 lakers. Phil Shaq Kobe Glen Rice Horry Sloan Malone Old Stockton hornacek Russell
@@norwoodhammond650😁 No Jordan has insane roster. He was biggest ballhog and often chucker But he had Pipen, Kukoc, Rodman etc. He had 3 HOF players LOL LOL LOL
Jordan was amazing. But he didnt do anything alone. The bulls organization as a whole was fantastic during that era. If jordan got stuck in Minnesota like KG for example. How many years of his talent would have been wasted? More credit should be going to the bulls front office. Im a huge Olajuwon fan. He's my goat all day. And thats what he dealt with. So i saw in real time the difference between having good, bad, or so-so support from the suits. They deserve more credit than they get, all im sayin.
@@ironangel667 I see your points made about front offices..a great one can build up a good team into a dynasty...a bad one can destroy a team.. Jordan wasn't drafted by old Jerry he was picked by his predecessor but to give Jerry credit he got Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, free agents Harper and Steve Kerr traded for Rodman but a really great GM gets along with his star ...Jerry did not MJ hated him. As shown in The Last Dance so no need to recap here. But I only have one small disagreement had Jerry and Phil gotten along who knows when Jordan would have retired( and not a Wizard ) Also Ioved Hakeem the Dream as well still the best center in his prime in my memory( in 1980 Kareem Abdul Jabbar was not old but by 1986 it was plain to see) and Hakeem ended up I believe with the Raptors..Hakeem is second in that era( 1990's) to me and Jordan first by far.. but I respect your opinion and Hakeem and MJ speak highly about each other always..so have a great week my friend and nice trading our opinions with each other.. best to you and your family..God bless.
@@ironangel667 You are a typical casual fan. MJ led the Chicago Bulls to the 1989 Eastern Conference Finals. MJ was the only star player on his team, in 1989 Scotte Pippen was a good role-playing player. He was not yet a star. It took a while. 1989 ECF: *MJ carried them to wins vs Pistons- No other teams beat them once in the Playoffs.* *Scotte Pippen had a poor 10- 7- 3, FG-40% for the series.* MJ was the only one who put up decent resistance to the Detroit Pistons- No other teams beat them once in the Playoffs. Kevin Garnett ? ? A very bad example. In his entire career, Kevin Garnett reached the second round only 6 times. 2 times in the West and 4 times in the weak East. Kevin Garnett 8 times missed the Playoffs. *1998 WCFR: Vin Baker outplayed Kevin Garnett.*
Yes they do??😭like it’s called a Mickey Mouse ring💀I hate Jordan fans so much. Y’all try so hard acting like no one criticizes lebron and it just makes you look dumb
@@casualmal9668 The reason NBA fans go after Lebron is because Lebron's fans dare to say he is better than Jordan was, so any objective person just show them the stats to prove them wrong. Lebron is a great player, top 3 of all time, but he is definitely not the goat.
@@SuperKillasin I’m not a lebron Stan so Idc what other people call it😭in history it’ll say lebron 4 rings so it doesn’t matter what anyone else calls it💀
@@GONZUdAce11 I have lebron top 5 my dawg but people go after bron for things he can’t control such as media converge like, he is the face of the nba and has been the best player for a decade what do y’all expect😭. Now if someone said o lebron whines, quits when things don’t go his way, and is kinda self absorbed then I’d b like “that guy right there is going places” but to keep seeing his name beat up for no reason is jus so stupid and it’s these same people who hated on kobe up until his death now he’s in everyone top 5 like give it a rest
@@user-bm9cv9vn2k Tim Duncan was already 1st all NBA in his rookie year. He spent 4 years in college. Also, the Lakers also had Allstars Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel. Kobe while not in his prime still finished 2nd in 6th MOY voting. Also, in 1997 Hakeem, Barkley and Drexler all put up Allstar caliber numbers. Jazz still beat them.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx MJ groupies also claim that LeBron played in a *"weak east"*, this myth can easily be debunked by saying *"MJ played in a much weaker league"* since his teams won 6 championships
@@dynamic6645 he did though.... 50+ win teams East/West MJ 51/49 LBJ 42/81 All-nba players East/West MJ 74/98 LBJ 59/147 LBJ also faced more 49 or less win teams in the East than MJ ever did. He only beat TWO 60+ win teams in the East, led by Derrick Rose and Al Horford respectively. Lol shit was weak, you guys just read up too many LBJ fan pages to think otherwise.
@@chosenone9102 the Bulls and Jazz were the 2 oldest teams in the nba in 1998 🤷♂️ and Shaq was drafted in 1992, I think he was pretty dominate by year 6
In terms of the 91 finals, he listed the Lakers starters playoffs PPG. And no starting Laker averaged less than 13PPG in those playoffs. Magic 22, Worthy 21, Perkins 18, vlade 13, Scott 13. No one on the entire Bulls avgd over 10ppg, 2.5ast and 5 Reb except MJ and Pip, and Grant (who avgd 12ppg) And the Bulls entire 7 man bench (Armstrong, Hodges, Perdue, Hopson, Levingston, Williams and King avgd a combined 2.0ppg/1.5rpg/0.5apg throughout the 91, 92, and 93 3peat playoffs. Does that sound like a stacked team to anybody? Does that sound like a team that on paper should have beat the Los Angeles Lakers or the Knicks or Cavs who all had plenty of Hall of famers? No they didn't. Beside the fact that they had Michael Jordan who averaged 31/6.5/9 and Pippin 21/9/6. Both who were 2 of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time. And besides Horace Grant who was considered a "average-good” PF averaging 12/8 with his time on the Bulls, their other 10 players were minimum salary under average players. The 91-93 Bulls, was no stacked team. They simply trained to become a unit, a machine who galvarnized around Michael Jordan, learning their roles in that machine to perfection, very rarely making the same mistake twice, playing very efficiently. Michael would accept no less because he never gave it any less than 100. This was a team that over time learned to trust each other, and trust in their leader and that's what made them great. That's what allowed them to win three championships in a row with most of their guys being average or subpar NBA players. Their extraordinary level of Chemistry, camaraderie and trusting each teammate is going to make the right play and be in the right place at the right time within their defensive and offensive sets. Oh and just one little piece of info. Throughout MJ's career he's played with two All Stars. Pippin for the first three-peat and Rodman in 95-98 three peat. LeBron James since has played with over 20 All Stars, which include current and Future Hall of famers, all NBA players, scoring champions, MVPs, finals MVPs Etc. Yet he has as many finals losses as Jordan has championships. Yet people say that MJ played on stacked teams....??? Lol. These young LeBron fans only know about the 96-98 Bulls when a 36 year old Rodman joined them. They have no idea that throughout Michael Jordan's 51 playoff games from his rookie year to 1990 he averaged 37.3 PPG, 7 APG and 7 RPG with 2.3 steals per game and 1.3 blocks per game. Can't blame him for not making the finals his first 6 seasons. Look at those playoff stats. Better than anybody in NBA history including Wilt Chamberlain who averaged only 17 PPG in his six finals appearances where Michael averaged double that and his six finals appearances. That's why Wilt can't compare to m.j. because when the lights shine the brightest, MJ thrived and Wilt simply wilted.
@@davidcici11Evolution The 2020 Lakers starting 6 all basically averaged double figures for the season. LeBron James 25, AD 26, kuzma 13, KCP 9.5, Bradley 9, Waiters 12. We weren't comparing MJ 90-91 first championship to the 2020 Lakers. We were comparing MJ's first championship team compared to LeBron's first championship team. I'm not taking anything away from LeBron on the court. He's the second greatest player of all time. If you compare him to anyone else then Michael Jordan, LeBron takes it. Being the second greatest basketball player in the history of the game is not a slight against him. And LeBron also had someone next to him that scored the ball equal or even slightly better than he did in A.D, averaging 27 in the regular season and 28 in the playoffs. And LeBron average 26 and 27 in the regular season and playoffs. MJ had to take care of the scoring on his own. Pippen averaged 17 PPG with the bulls. He was a facilitator and the defensive Juggernaut. Michael never had another scorer throughout his six chips. Basically everyone else on those teams averaged under 10ppg during both three peats. That's a hell of a load to carry. Let's keep in mind LeBron had a 20-30 scorer in D Wade, an 18-20 PPG score in Chris Bosh. In Cleveland he had a 20ppg scorer in Kevin Love, a 20+PPG scorer in Kyrie Irving, 13 PPG in deontay Jones, and 12 PPG in JR Smith. And LeBron with his 25 PPG. When we're talking about scoring, LeBron James had a ton of help compared to Michael Jordan, as Dennis Rodman average under 5 PPG during his three-peat with the bulls. Of course Rodman was the seven time rebounding champ and 2x DPOY, but we're talking about scoring help now. MJ never played with another player who averaged over 18 PPG in his whole career. Besides Scotty who averaged 16.8 for his career, Jordan never played with another player who averaged over 12 PPG which was Horace Grant. And in the end, the only way to win a game is to put the ball in the hoop more than the other team does. Everything else is a means to an end. MJ was the end
He is also the reason a player with the caliber of Hakeem is not even considered to be in the contention for GOAT, although he was as good as a player than wilt, lebron, kobe or duncan. And it's just because MJ was so much superior in the same era he played in.
This is what people don't get. If Jordan didn't exist, Malone would likely be a 2-time champion and the 2nd greatest PF ever. Amazing how much Jordan dominated his competition.
@@allanhouston6759 you could definitely make that case, but a lot of people will disagree (including me). If malone had just one ring, he'd be a lock for 2nd greatest PF ever combined with his individual accolades. It's not really just the ring magically making him great. It is about the stamp that he showed up in the biggest moments and proved himself to be a champion. Never happened against MJ, unfortunately.
JOrdan was head and shoulders above everyone else on the court until he got to be 40... no one can take away from him what he did... Jordan won those Championships by turning out stellar performances in the playoffs and finals- he took over when needed to win a game- he was the deciding factor period- it would not have mattered who he faced he would have turned up the heat enough to win at that point
@Michael Glaze They won't though. Because FACTS/EVIDENCE like this, SERIOUSLY undermines their ego driven, latest = greatest mentality. So they avoid things like this at ALL COSTS. They know that they'd be hard pressed trying to claim that "MJ played weak comp", while simultaneously having to reconcile it with the type of information in this video. They'd look/sound like a complete moron trying to do so and they know it. This is why when they're trying to discredit MJ in favor of these new jacks, notice how they OFTEN engage in A LOT of revisionist history and willful ignorance about his era. Notice this! They do this because they childishly think that if they can just discredit his era, then this will discredit him by default. And this is their FAVORITE tactic to employ, when trying to argue against MJ.
@@coolwitzayy399 Thanks for proving my point...SMH FYI: out of the NBA's selected 50 Greatest Players Ever, MJ's Bulls faced 12 of 'em in the playoffs.
He went against top teams, they might not look like it, but record wise they where the best teams coming out of the western conference. Sometimes the real challenge is going past the teams in a strong conference like the East was back then.
The teams Jordan beat don't get recognition simply because Jordan didn't let them win. LeBron fans try to make the 2011 Mavs a god tier team just because they choke slammed LeBron.
@@simple45679 LeBron choked yes no excuses but y'all acting like dirk had bums, that mavs team went through kobe pau gasol metta world peace kd westbrook harden
The Mavs were outmatched that series, stop the BS. The series was still super close even with LeBron choking, so you know what happens if LeBron had it in him. Mavs won precisely because LeBron sucked, Jason Terry made LeBron look like a stick man on defense.
The reason people say that is because Mike overshadowed every other players in those time but a lot of legends came out of that era it was just that he was levels above, that’s not his fault.
MJ played against great teams and great players. For example: 1992/1993 Knicks: *Patrick Ewing HoF- Top 4 in the MVP vote ( 1993 ) and Top 5 in the MVP vote ( 1992 ).* *Xavier McDaniel- 1x All-star.* *Charles Oakley- 1x All-star, 2x All-Defensive Team.* *Anthony Mason- 1x All-star, 1x All-Defensive Team, 1x Nba Sixth Man.* *Mark Jackson- 1x All-star, 1x Nba Assists Leader.* *John Starks- 1x All-star, 1x All-Defensive Team, 1x Nba Sixth Man.* *Doc Rivers- 1x All-star.* *Charles Smith, Gerald Wilkens.* The Knicks were a very strong team and had an incredibly deep lineup. Almost every player on this team had awards, was in his prime and was healthy. Lebron in the East has never defeated a team like the Knicks. Prime Lebron James lost to Dwight Howard in the 2009 ECF. Lol.
@@glennrobinson.377 WILT ERA KNICKS = 6 HOF JORDAN ERA KNICKS = 1 HOF EWING (AD HE STILL NEED 3 HOF KUKOC RODMAN AND PIPPEN) JORDAN IS NOBODY NEVER BEAT ANY BETTER TEAMS STACKED SUPERTEAM IN LIFE
@@PIP...33 *1962/63 season: Prime Wilt Chamberlain missed the Playoffs ( Record: 31-49 ) despite having 3 Hall of Fame players.* Wilt Chamberlain is overrated.
The Eastern Conference teams Jordan's Bulls had to beat to get to the Finals were also championship-caliber in the Pistons, Knicks, Heat, and Pacers, each potentially competitive against their respective year's Western Conference Champions.
@@joshuasussman4020 you said mj is the greatest scorer that’s cap and bird all around basketball player I mean.. lebron literally does everything literally he’s the most complete and it’s not just me saying this
People throw stats, championships, teammates, era and bunch of external factors at eachothers when comparing MJ & LBJ. I personally just want to increase my basketball skills, and depending on one's height/size, most of which should probably learn from top point guards in history, but if we put highest effectiveness which includes size and height into consideration its hands down MJ & Hakeem. Hakeem: Highest basketball IQ and Off/Def skill, with upper tier height/athleticism player in NBA history. MJ: Pinnacle of Off/Def skills/power to size/height, athletism (hangtime, those mittens), basketball IQ, mental toughness in NBA history LBJ is amazing too, but the Smoothness and Versatility of his moves are hindered by his muscle size. Thus LBJ: Highest tier of strength/power in combination with upper level IQ and Offensve skill player in NBA history.
Hakeem didn't have the abilità to lead an all rime offense like Bron and Jordan. He was great at making tough shot which translated in po, great off ball game ( especially offensive boards) but he didn't have elite playmaking. Bron and Mike both elite scorers and playmakers, elite defenders for their position, but Mike is more portable, that might be' what separates those 2
@@jacopopispola9925 When people talk about Hakeem, they think dream shake, but if we watch his in game footwork during his mid/post jumpshots, it is beyond elite. LBJ's defensive capability is elite, can guard most positions, the reason I put it below MJ & Hakeem is because his will is inconsistent. (I can't imagine if LBJ had MJ's will, his D would make ppl cry😂) The reason I pick MJ and Hakeem is becuase their skills don't overlap as much, it actually complete Off/Def Arsenal. Where LBJ is overshadowed by one or the other. For example: MJ and LBJ's drives are pretty much unstoppable, both explosive, MJ was more versatile and LBJ was more strength, but when people start fouling MJ stands out due to his FT% advantage. Hakeem on the other hand is also more versatile for someone his height. He usually adjust his moves on all side of the mid/inner area in accordance to his defender style, height, size, speed etc. Checkout the video on him giving paid lessons to LBJ, Kobe, Dwight on inside shots. (Golden material) His inside defense is far more effective than MJ and Lebron due to his height and position. I agree he didn't led an all time offensive team, but thats due to two reasons, one because he never had another superstar on his team during their prime, and second he a center and sucks when it comes to dribbling the ball very well from end to end😂. LJB's moves extremely effective due to his size and speed, he can take a 3 or jumpshot because defenders are afraid of his drive, and when he shoots its usually creating space from single predetermined move (bump or few steps to a set location). Therefore, for most of us its more effective/practical to apply versatility into our games. Now if I had Lebron's Physique......thats a whole another story😉
@Kwame Nkrumah 😂 Kobe would of looked down upon you just base on the close-mindedness of ur comment. Kobe is one of my favorite players ever. Alpha of his era, skillwise definitely above Lebron, reasonable to argue even better than MJ at certain moves, however, the reason his not as effective as MJ is because of the nature gifts such as hand size and Vertical which hinders his consistency and effectiveness when using the same move. Just imagine if Kobe had MJ's hand size and vertical......😳
Weak competition is not being able to touch a guy without getting a foul called, weather the talent is better or not these guys were committing hard fouls, current NBA these players can freely shoot, the entire NBA is weak now, soft! Soft! Soft!
Oh please. Back then the NBA was all about fouls rather than perimeter play Riley’s Knicks cared more about flagrant fouls than free throws Hard fouls does not make for better basketball
The Lakers weren't "old" Magic -30yrs (turning 31 in a few months) Scott - 30yrs. Perkins and Worthy - 29yrs Divac - 23. The '96 - 98 champion Bulls teams were older than that. '92 Portland Traliblazers 4 all-stars. Drexler (2nd MVP contender), Porter, Williams & Ainge. '93 Phoenix 5 all-stars. Barkley (MVP), Johnson, Majerle, Chambers & Ainge. The Bulls had two all-stars in Jordan and Pippen for the first 3-peat. '96 Seattle Sonics beat the reigning Champions to reach the finals with the DPOY - 2 all-stars '97 & '98 Jazz 3 all-stars. Malone(MVP), Stockton, Hornacek. The Bulls had 3 all-stars for the 2nd 3-peat in Jordan, Pippen and Rodman. This generation looks at the present superteams and says, "Look at the talent on the teams in the finals comared to the '90s." Well it's easy for specific present teams to get to the finals because the talent is concentrated. In the '80s, commissioner David Stern was adamant on ensuring that the talent was well distributed. This made all games more enjoyable to watch, all teams could make some money and getting to the finals was not guaranteed. Adam Silver is not so focused. Just look at the numbers on watched games and we will notice that almost double the amount of people watched the playoffs compared to now. More than three times as many people looked at season games than now. And I'm basing the\at before the pandemic. In the '90s, getting to the finals was a greater challenge for the Bulls than playing in the finals.
Magic played 13 seasons by 1991. If you actually saw that team play you would know they were old. LA was a fast break team. They were a slow down post up team by 1991
@@melvynsngltn27 Sam Perkins and James Worthy played with Jordan in college; together with Byron Scott, each is almost two years older than Jordan is. Magic Johnson is less than one year older than John Paxson. Bill Cartwright is more than two years older than Magic. Vlade Divac Is more than 2.5 years younger than both Horace Grant and Scottie Pipen. When you add all the ages of the starters in 1991, then divide by 5, the Lakers were a few days younger, as a team, than the Bulls. Yet the Bulls went to get three more when Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Harper were older than the oldest Laker of 1991 and Luc Longley was older than the age Divac was in 1991. Both the Warriors and Portland were playing the fastbreak style which lead to Dunleavy to slow down throughout the playoffs. But unlike the Warriors and Trailblazers, the Bulls applied full court pressure in contrast to anything the Lakers were accustomed, resulting in excessive turnovers which caused them to be more cautious than before. In the 1991 finals, the Lakers were kept to the most noticeably, lowest scores of their entire 1991 playoff run for and their seven playoff runs.
The Lakers won 60+ games the year before. IIRC. They also had AC Green for some youth. Also, injuries. But if they played the 98 Bulls, age wouldn't be an issue and they would still get smoked.
@@JoeAse - And Worthy was close to retirement and playing on one leg. Byron Scott had an injured shoulder and could not lift his arms above his head. Mike Dunleavy was a new coach and in over his head. This was not a great Lakers team despite the record.
I cannot believe u are adding all stars to teams 😂😂 that is insane so how many all stars and dpoy did Lebron play in the finals compare to mj? Duncan is rated 3rd in defense rating in history Mj never played any in the finals that compare to Spurs or warriors. Mavs would beat all of bulls competition
In the mid-2000s, the NBA literally passed a series of rules with the sole purpose of making offense easier. The people who came up with the rules said so. Look it up. I miss when defense mattered.
Jordan is the only player in NBA history to lead multiple top 10 LOWEST SCORING SUPPORTING CAST to championship victory...Jordan carried the bulls in the biggest moments.
Lebron has never beaten 3 50-win teams or 2 60-win teams in any playoff run, but Michael Jordan beat 3 50-win teams in each of the 1992, 1993, 1997 and 1998 title runs, as well as 2 60-win teams in each of the 1993, 1996 and 1997 title runs.
@@Sf75178 the two 60+ win teams LBJ beat in the East were led by a young Derrick Rose going up against LBJ’s superteam and then those Hawks who had Horford/Korver/Teague/Millsap, lol not one superstar on that team.
When we say MJ is the GOAT, we're saying it, knowing that his teams weren't that MUCH better than other teams he faced off with. MJ had so many clutch moments in his career, because they were required.
People tend to over rate the Bulls teams. They act like they were super star teams. Pippen was the other All Star.... and then role players. Could make the case that Grant was pretty close to that level, Rodman was already pretty old by that run.
@@jadenbarrett4375 What I mean by that is people act like the Bulls were rolling out some super deep teams. The Bulls team was good, but they were better than the sum of their parts.
Well, one point to make about how underrated/overrated they were- the Bulls the first year after Mike retired (last second) won 55 games, 2 less then previous and went 7 games in the conference finals. Basically shaping Kukoc and Pete Meyers for Jordan.
Super Team MJ - Best player at the time Pippen - Best SF at the time Rodman - Best defender all time Kerr - Best 3pt shooter at the time (still holds all time 3pt% record) Kukoc - Best international player at the time
yeah, didn't matter what teams or Hall of Famers were in Jordan's path, he beat them all. And his playoff numbers were even better than his regular season stats. The greatest I've ever seen, don't think we'll ever see another like him
Jordan did not beat every hall of famer lol he never won a single game against Larry bird in the playoffs and he has a losing record against Isiah Thomas in the playoffs , they gotta stop letting y’all say anything on here
Honestly, there's a large segment of younger fans that will never give teams and players from before the 2000s their proper respect solely because of how inferior they view them compared to today. All they know is the last decade and a half or so and thus have no perspective on the differences in the game from then to now. Because of their lack of perspective from their young age, they can't help themselves but to always compare players from then to today's players past players will always fall short in their minds and it's birthed a lack of respect for those past greats. All we hear all the time is "Guys back then couldn't compete today" or "Bench guys would be All Stars back then" or whatever other stupid talking point they use. They can't appreciate the greats for what they were in the era they were in with the resources they had at their disposal while at the same time demanding "old heads" respect the greats of today. They also seem to think teams can't still be good to great unless they have 3 or more Hall of Famers, which is a product of the player built superteam era we're now in.
At the same time, we suffer from the same thing in regards to the quality of the players and competition from the 60's through the early 80's. I never had a chance to watch Wilt play, or those Celtic teams that won 11 championships in 13 years. How can I or anyone else these days make any really comparisons with them to players from the 90's to today?
@@humblecorporation5745 I've heard "old heads" call this era soft for sure, but I don't really hear them saying that players today aren't any good because of it. The shit talk is primarily aimed at defense today, not the players as a whole.
Older fans are the one with this problem mainly. This is due to them having a lot more knowledge of these players to begin with obviously. You think new fans are looking up old players for comparisons sake? Or was there some old head wearing a Bluetooth that already made it?
Amazing video! I grow up in Chicago living and dying with every game. And I can assure you none of those championships were easy. We honestly thought there was a decent chance (like 30-40%) they might loose in every one of those finals. And against the Knicks, and Pacers later on in the east. The Pacers were actually the toughest series they ever had, a couple big shots in game 7 won that one. We almost had a heart attack with the Pacers.
They always try to down play who MJ faced in the finals. But the fact is if those teams he faced, took on some of the teams in this decade with the current rules. All those teams would be champs right now in todays NBA. No Cap.
actually during the time mj faced them, his opponents were top ten in their position all time! magic was the best point guard all time, clyde was a top ten shooting guard all time, barkley was a top 5 pf all time, payton a top ten point guard all time, stockton was at least a top 3 point guard all time and malone was the best pf all time(or top 2). and were not even counting the east playoffs
@@larcat6548 say that to the haters. I swear Bron fans are the worse then kobe stans are and Jordan when it come to downplaying players just bc to make bron as the goat
Bulls won competitive games. Dudes just watch the series results, they don’t see in the 3rd and many 4th quarters, these games were within 5 points, many games the bulls were trailing.
Exactly, a few of those finals could’ve easily gone to 7 games if MJ had LBJ’s weak minded, passive when needed, quitting when things go south approach.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx i woulda quit too after what JR did at the end of game one. MJ probably would have choked that man in the locker room. Then Ty Lue was just watching , and didnt use they last time out.......It was at that moment, Lebron knew.....
@@trusouljaofalabama9758 Lebron was supposed to demand the ball in those clutch moments like MJ did!We shouldn't be bringing up JR Smith right now anyway
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx LeBron james sure quit when he was down 3-1 against the 73 and 9 warriors. He also quit in game 6 against the spurs too in the 2013 nba finals. He also quit when he took the warriors to 6 games without kyrie or Kevin Love in 2015. LeBron James is not a quitter, he has some of the greatest comebacks in nba history, literally is responsible for the best comeback of all time along with Kyrie against the warriors. Tf are you talking about. You guys read into narratives too much. History Will remember LeBron for his wars against great spurs and warriors teams, beating each of them once with the odds stacked against him and never quitting. A quitter doesn't drop back to back 41 point games and then a game 7 triple double with an all time great clutch block. I don't think LeBron is the definitive GOAT either, I think that convo is open forLeBron, MJ, or Kareem and I wouldn't disagree with any of those choices but don't call LeBron a quitter. Just because he's not looking to score like MJ and has moments of frustration in his career, that doesn't mean he's a quitter.
John Stockton is the most disrespected legend of all time, you don’t get to be number 1 in steals and assists for over 20 years but only being an “alright” point guard. By the time they got that piece they needed (jeff hornacek) they were already getting up there in age (which is not to take away from Jordan’s wins of course) but it’s to say that Stockton is the best point guard of all time, yes I place him over magic, the dude needs to be more respected.
@@ArthurMorgan-tr6tq that’s true but I think most of it is bc he’s a point guard who was a pass first player. I think had he averaged over 20+ ppg in his career with those same assists numbers he would’ve been held at a higher regard. Also a couple of rings wouldn’t have hurt his case.
He's my favorite PG of all time and I think he's the best, better than Magic, Oscar and Isiah in my opinion... How Chris Webber describes him never gets old.. 'The baddest dude' 😅
The sun's, the sonics and the jazz were all very good teams. The jazz swept a 61 win Lakers team with prime Shaq, Eddie Jones, Nick van EXEL in the WCF. The jazz were an excellent team.
I saw that Finals series, Bulls vs the Utah Jazz live. That Utah team was very physical, extremely well coached, with great shooting. Jordan single handedly closed them out, by stripping one of the strongest men on the planet, Karl Malone, and then hitting the game winner on Russell.
So Stockton and hornacek is physical now what about catching alley-oops what about blocking shots what about rebounding what about driving to the Lane and Dunking ....lol.
A Michael Jordan was battling Karl Malone for the scoring title LeBron James is bigger stronger faster with more rains in Karl Malone the past is to save face man
@Dee LeBron is NOT bigger or stronger than Karl Malone. I think LeBron would admit that. Malone is 6'9", and his play weight was 265lbs. LeBron is 6'8", at best, and he weighs a slightly built 250 lbs. Lebron is definitely more athletic. The point is LeBron is NO GOAT.
@@healthiswealth6237 LeBron James is a GOAT if he ain't why don't you stop Tom Brady 3X CHEATER GOAT AWARD IITS NO GOATS TODAY THEN WERE MEDIA BRAINWASHED going back to the 80s so you can glorify Larry Bird or going back to the 90s so you can glorify Stockton and hornacek and thunder Dan Majerle they never show HIS competition because it's competition is 👉WEAK ....LBJ WILL DESTROY AMERICAN EUROS. ATTER FACT HE TOOK KEVIN LOVE CARUSO TO THE FINALS 🤣🤣🤣
Okay. None of these teams are weak. But, if you say any of these teams are stronger than 2014 Spurs or 2018 Warriors, hard to take you seriously. Well 2011 exists. But still.
Yes I do think the 91 magic and stocton and malone jazz are better than them none where better then the warriors because but thats ml in the 90s joedwn was the superteam.
@@gsriram3959 2014 Spurs ? ? Even post-prime Dirk Nowitzki ( age 35 ) was able to win 3 games against the Spurs in the 2014 WCFR. *The Mavs were the eighth seed in the West.* Prime Lebron James couldnt do half of what post-prime Dirk Nowitzki ( age 35 ) did. He lost to old Tim Duncan ( age 38 ), Manu ( age 36 ), Tony Parker ( age 32 ) and Kawhi Leonard ( age 22 ) in the 2014 Nba Finals. He could not even put-up decent resistance and lost with a record difference in the score.
@@BCN4Life the Tim Duncan disrespect is crazy Duncan has the highest win percentage of all time Duncan alone puts you in the finals his Spurs were better than Magic and worthy without Kareem
@@glennrobinson.377 why are yall ignoring teams in these discussions. It's so weird. This video goes in depth about MJs competition yet here you guys are analyzing Lebrons losses with zero depth. Not bringing up how teammates played, how they played, etc. It's just oh LeBron lost to the spurs. Oh yeah one man lost to an entire nba roster. Just say you're biased toward LeBron because you're a hater.
This is a very good explanation. Jordan's road to the finals never had a lack of competition, even before his first finals apperance. He had to go through very 'TOUGH' teams, Knicks, Magic, Pacers, Pistons,etc.
If LeBron has weak competition in the east, then this must mean MJ played in a much weaker league since his teams won 6 championships, how does that sound now ? 😉👌🏻
@@dynamic6645 lol he did, man made it to the playoffs with 32 or something record. The 90s wasn’t really that nice tbh, I think the 80s was a bit better than 90s
@@SaintFrenchy in those times you had to face the top teams a lot more, there were 23 teams in the league, and dont forget the top draft players were divided in less teams, thats why you needed like 4 superstars to win, like lakers, pistons and celtics did.
The Suns led by KJ won 50+ games from 89-92, made two WCF, KJ was arguably the 2nd best PG in the NBA, KJ avg 20-10 on 50% FG for three straight yrs. This was before Barkley signed with them in 92-93
The Jazz hit a 3pt buzzer the refs called late which the replay showed it wasn't, and then the Bulls hit one that actually was late the refs called good, so the Jazz should have won that game.
It's crazy to me how anyone could compare leflop to this man. Quit never existed to this guy and every single "underratted" player in this Era was only underrated because this dude beat the living snot out of them.
I stopped arguing the Goat debate with people who don’t know anything about basketball (LeBron stans). Instead of doing research, they just regurgitate whatever they hear on tv
MJ doesn't have control over his competition. All he can do is beat the teams in front of him. Yes, there were The Grizzlies, Heat, Raptors, Timberwolves, Hornets, and Magic added in a short span, but he still needed to be the team everyone gave their best shot every night. Every regular season game was someone's championship. He still needed to stay healthy the whole time and that's a feat nobody talks about.
I hate ppl saying he played against plumbers he literally played so many greats like magic johnson larry bird that pistons team young shaq and many others
What an absolute masterclass of a video. Bravo! Shame this toxic NBA fan base of today has to attack players and not show the respect they deserve. Same with many of the players. So much for the “fraternity”. 10-15 years from now whoever is doing GOAT level things - that fan base will trash the players of today - claiming they aren’t as good. It’s an exercise in futility.
I watched both LeBron and MJ in their primes and I would agree that LeBron is not on the same level as MJ, because LeBron is on a level miles ahead of MJ.
Bruh there is no such think as "weak finals competition". If you are in the finals, you are literally the best two teams in the NBA that year. Besides the early and mid 2000s west, there has never been a weak finals
@@GONZUdAce11 2020 was the Bubble and what do the 2011 mavs have anything to do with this. That was a great finals. The heat were favored, looked to be making that true by goin up 2-1 and then the mavs won 3 str8 and lebron became a meme.
@@ratsolla was just making a joke, I mean if you look back to 2011 the Mavs appear to be a "weak finals competition", but surprise they actually won the championship against a Heat superteam.
@@GONZUdAce11 fax. And those who saw them as weak weren't even correct as they swept the defending champ lakers and gentleman swept kd, harden and Russ. That was a great finals.
Oh yes it is lol yes it is jordan great player but he dominated a weak era. The only reason why the bulls went 72-10 is because of the expansion league new teams were being added. That's what watered down the competition.
Good video. LeBrons competition was more difficult. He lost to an all time great spurs and warriors team for four of his losses. those spurs and warriors teams were head and shoulders above the lakers, blazers, suns, Sonics, and jazz teams that Jordan faced.
In the 80's he faced great competition when he had a bad team and never won. In the 90's he faced good competition when he had a great team and never lost. He beat a good Lakers team that was no longer great and injured. THATS IT. He didn't beat a single other championship team in his Finals career. His resume speaks for his competition the loudest. Hell, Bill fucking Russell lost a Finals with a team full of HoF's... It's a shame really. Like seeing a 911 Porsche in all its glory for 6 years in the Lamont race a Civic Type R at best.
All the lebron fans boys they started with this like Nick Wright, Shannon Sharp, Colin Herb, Perkins etc. They try to bring Jordan down and they can't. Today players first it was Stephen Curry after that KD, KL, and now Giannis the story repeats
Please make a video on the 2007 run for the Cavs...I like LeBron as a player but the narrative has to stop that he "carried" them and they had "no chance" against the spurs
Lebron only beat one 50-win team in the playoffs during his time in Cleveland from 2003 to 2010 and that was against the 2007 Pistons with no 4x DPOY Ben Wallace and Larry Brown. *2007 Cavs faced one team above .500 in East.* In the first round Lebron defeated the Washingtopn Wizards ( Record: 41-41 ). In addition, two of the Washington Wizards top players were injured and did not even play against Lebron James.( Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler- Missed 4 games ).
@@Avarice-Zero yes lebron didnt shoot well..pop sagged off on him to let him shoot..its not just the spurs were a juggernaut and he didn't have a chance
2007 Cavs: Zydrunas Ilgauskas- 2x All-star. Anderson Varejao- 1x All-Defensive Second Team. Larry Hughes- 1x All-Defensive First Team and 1x Nba Steals Leader. Lebron"s teammates werent superstars, but they werent scrubs either. For example: 2007 ECF. Game 6: Daniel Gibson was the main reason the Cavs beat the Pistons in Game 6. *Daniel Gibson=31-Points, FG-78%. 3P-100%. FT-80%. 6-Reb, 2-Ast.* He was the hero of this game. 4th Quarter: Daniel Gibson=19-Points FG-83% 3P-100% FT-82%.*
In the 1997 title run, Jordan became the only player to ever lead a championship team to the title with only one double digit scorer for the playoffs. Pippen had 19-ppg. on a sub-par 41%, and all other Bulls failed to reach 9-ppg. 1997 Playoffs: *Toni Kucoc=8-ppg. FG-33%.* *Scotte Pippen=19-ppg. FG-41% and 8-Rebounds per game.* *Dennis Rodman=4-ppg. FG-37% and 8-Rebounds per game.* The 1997 and 1998 Bulls have the two lowest scoring supporting casts by a winning team in the Nba Finals since 1954.
Let's be clear...the ONLY reason anyone, usually LeFlop fans, regurgitate this BS is because LeBrick lost 6 times in the Finals...did I say lose, I mean got destroyed. This how they try to bridge that gap and make themselves feel better. Truth is...if any LeBron-led team met any Jordan-led championship team in the Finals...LeBron's Finals record would look a whole lot worse.
@@melvynsngltn27 Do you even know basketball? It's all about matchups.. Suns struggled against the Lakers in the regular season mainly against Vlade/Campbell/Worthy Frontline.. Plus Kevin Johnson was injured.. Sonics should've beaten them too but Barkley had a monster Game 7... And ofcourse they were stacked how the hell could they win 62 games you dummy
@@scarykurapika100yago2 Worthy was way past his prime by 1993 & slow Vlade Divac was never an elite center. That showed how weak that Phoenix team was. Also there defense was trash they gave up 100+ to everyone
@@melvynsngltn27 yep they were below average defensively on Frontline.. but you can't cry on how not stacked they were lol they were stacked, probably the best Suns team ever
That Utah Jazz team gave the business to the Shaq and Kobe led Lakers and The Duncan, David Robinson led Spurs, GTFOOH, the Jazz were a A+ rated team!!!
@@tj5180 just saying if an argument or videos/claims said that Jordan was in a weak era!!!!!??? Then the same or more can be said about Kobe in a weak era and benefiting from the “physical “ rule changes and lack of defense
Jordan never made the finals before 1991 and after 1998, 1994 & 1995 Chicago wasn't in the finals. So those same players were on teams not good enough to win period
@@melvynsngltn27 I disagree with you. I believe that Michael Jordan was so dominant that he made the others look that way. Todays game is soft and like a 3 point shootout. No skill or defense. Guys in the 90’s were much better. And Michael Jordan never started a season in the 90s that he didn’t win a title. His resume exceeds all others in terms of greatness
Outside of game 1, that 93 NBA Finals vs the Suns........... Chicago's other 3 wins were by razor thin margins. They NEEDED every bit of those 41 PPG. Even if Jordan had let's say a PPG similar to his previous 2 Finals (35.8, 31.2) they may not have win.
