THE TRUTH OF ALPHA PRIMUS! WHAT HAS BELISARIUS CAWL CREATED?

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Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing the latest revelations with Alpha Primus. As we ask just what has Belisarius Cawl created?
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@gigglehurtz3167 11 месяцев назад

not only is Cawl genius, and has created something amazing, he is also helping build the fire for which he will eventually be burned at the stake in.

@DD8842 11 месяцев назад

The man in another age would have been a hero, now a heretic

@TheTrueMalice 11 месяцев назад

He invented a new pneumatic shovel to dig his grave with. Genius!

@jc7997aj 11 месяцев назад

Plasma. Pretty sure they'll burn him with plasma.

@mykelengieza7057 11 месяцев назад

Well put

@ZombieMonkey7 11 месяцев назад

I’m begging you GW don’t do it to him, we Admech players only have one character😭

@cre8ivecat23 11 месяцев назад

I think Cawl was trying to make something akin to custodes that could be mass produced like space marines, and so combined the best geneseeds from the primarchs into a super space marine prototype. Obviously it didn’t work, so he scaled back to just primaris marines.

@thomask5434 11 месяцев назад

I would say it has worked and he got afraid what would happen with an army of him.

@minhducnguyen9276 11 месяцев назад

@@thomask5434 Just like the first steam powered vehicle. They managed to make it run but didn't know how to make it stop.

@coolnamebro7363 11 месяцев назад

@@thomask5434 I don't think Cawl is the "My god what have I done!?" type of scientist if I'm being honest.

@WolframHeart-xp2px 10 месяцев назад

I like the theory, imagine if one of the lost legions had a primary that was just that? A mass produced lesser version of the customer.

@thomask5434 10 месяцев назад

@@coolnamebro7363 No, but he clearly stopped what he was doing. It is clearly stated that he was the prime example. And we know now that the rest was clearly inferior. Otherwise Bile would not be in awe about him or his glands. I guess we have to wait another 5 years to get the answer.

@ChristianR-fx8uy 11 месяцев назад

I think it means he tried to make his own SM rather than improve on the Emperor's. He finally settled on the current primaris, which are "detuned" versions of Alpha Primus. I think that passage about his burden and pain is more about the fact that he paid for Cawls attempts and feels resentment and obedience simultaneously - the torture implied by it.

@gwaustin99 11 месяцев назад

Well its also said to be he's in constant pain as his soul isn't properly linked to his body as cawl isn't experienced with the warp

@minhducnguyen9276 9 месяцев назад

@@gwaustin99 If I was correct he also constantly sees visions that disturb his sleep, something that most chief librarians experience although not as often as Alpha Primus.

@mathieujohnson7090 11 месяцев назад

After reading the novel, I can at least say that Cawl is a better father that the Emperor ever was

@minhducnguyen9276 9 месяцев назад

Emperor:"There's no point talking to them, they won't understand." Cawl:"It's the intention that counts."

@TheKalZul 11 месяцев назад

We do know from The Great Work when Primus goes in front of the dimensional mirror instead of seeing himself we saw 20 grey armoured marines in his stead, so we can fairly safely assume he has all of them moulded into one. It could be he tried to make a Primarch but overstepped into Emperor territory since he didn't have the warp magic side to stabilise Primus.

@yumanoid5753 11 месяцев назад

Or, there was one part in all the 20 primarchs, that was the same.. big e

@MarkStorey-dc4tm 11 месяцев назад

Maybe Alpha Primus was intended to sit on the Golden Throne so the Emperor could potentially leave it? Primus wouldn't have to be a primarch to do that but he would certainly need vast psychic powers. Of course, even with them Cawl probably still have over-reached his abilities. (Just realised other posters had the same idea before me.)

@SuperRavensblood 11 месяцев назад

Still bears repeating, I was going to suggest this myself till I saw your comment.

@sliceabletoast 11 месяцев назад

I had the same thought, especially since Magnus specifically was brought up by Bile

@KungKras 11 месяцев назад

But if the emperor leaves the throne he dies?

@MarkStorey-dc4tm 11 месяцев назад

The throne seems to be sustaining and hurting the emperor at the same time. In theory Alpha Primus could have taken some of the strain while the emperor only got the benefits. If the emperor just had to focus on healing himself without worrying about the Astronomicon maybe he'd get strong enough to walk amongst galaxy again. Yes this sounds wildly overoptimistic but Cawl is supposed to have over-reached. The Emperor's current condition is clearly a problem and Cawl likes to solve problems.@@KungKras

@CT68 11 месяцев назад

@@sliceabletoast Exactly. Emp wanted Magnus to sit on the throne, but Magnus wanted his troops fixed. Primus could be a "Primarch Light" specially-built to man the Throne, so the Emperor has time to re-incarnate. He could even just held as a standby in case the throne fails, which, in some parts of the lore, is an inevitable future.

@KarrasATX 11 месяцев назад

You don't think Cawl putting in parts of all chapters isn't his attempt to try and recreate an "Emperor"?

@quitamgogh 11 месяцев назад

He is all the king’s horses and all the king’s men.

@Hammerheadcruiser 11 месяцев назад

That is exactly what I'm thinking. The primarchs are pieces of the Emperor, so clearly if you put those pieces back together you would get an Emperor. What else but that level of arrogance would shock Mr "I clone primarchs on the regular"?

@MrDMSir 11 месяцев назад

Agree

@cegesh1459 11 месяцев назад

Yep, indeed

@SolarCasper 11 месяцев назад

What would he do about the 2 missing chapters which no one is allowed to talk about? That would have to become part of the lore so that we finally get a proper explanation of "WHY?" we are not allowed to talk about them in the lore (I don't mean the table top-paint your own chapter)

@rankcolour8780 11 месяцев назад

Primus himself tells us he is a blend of as many geneseeds of different chapters as Cawl dared to put in him and it seemed to be too much for him. He isn't a Primarch they are leagues ahead of what he is before you even take their warp juiced souls into account but you can imagine how the gifts of all the various geneseeds stuffed into him play into each other making him more than the sum of all his space marine parts. If Primaris are Space Marines + then Primus is Space Marines ++ although a faulty one.

@nuke7777 11 месяцев назад

Im put my gene seed in him to

@docvaliant721 11 месяцев назад

In the great work it’s clear he is a hybrid of all 2o primarchs.

@rankcolour8780 11 месяцев назад

@@docvaliant721 In Avenging Son he makes it clear that: "To each of the sons of those sons, a portion of those gifts were passed on in turn. I have several of these gifts"" In the Great Work he says "‘The Emperor gave the Space Marines many gifts..I was given more than most." It's spelled out in two books he's a blend of Space marines not Primarchs. He's not even close to a Primarch nevermind a blend of them.

@docvaliant721 11 месяцев назад

@@rankcolour8780 In the scene that they see a different timeline in the place of primus was 20 space marines.

@rankcolour8780 11 месяцев назад

@@docvaliant721 All that means is in a different timeline Cawl made bodyguards from all 20 legions we know whatever he tried to do in the actual timeline failed. In the vision they aren't even special marines, just 20 normal grey armoured marines. I swear people don't read the actual lore.

@JamesHodden-rk6ks 10 месяцев назад

A couple of things occur to me having finished Genefather. Cawl vs the other "scientists of 40k" is a fun concept for a series, I would like to see more, and a Cawl vs Urien Rakarth novel may tie in with some Chris Wraight storylines. And it's interesting how Haley using Cawl as someone who believes in scientific rigour, the Imperial Truth of you like while his other 40k novels are currently interested in the metaphysical aspects of faith in the Emperor.

@mrgriff7677 11 месяцев назад

Left turn theory: Alpha Primus was a design intended to sit on the throne to take the emperor off of it to allow his body to heal. But Cawl in typical fashion got close to cracking it, gave up and went on to his next job on the list. In all probability he's a template. A false Primarch intended to incorporate all the best traits to combine into one geneseed lineage to then produce new astartes with all of these stabilised traits. Cawl did know that the legions were intended to be a complimentary force and wanted to use traitor geneseed to generate new chapters alongside the loyalist ones and he did seek to stabilise the black rage and the spicy-dog curse

@vargaslc2 11 месяцев назад

When he mentioned the emperor I thought Crawl's version of a custodes.

@danielcampbell9457 11 месяцев назад

the more i find out about AP the more i start to think that cawl tried to re-create the emporer by putting all 20 types of geneseed back together in one being.

@Spacefrisian 11 месяцев назад

I wonder if its more like Cawl trying to create his own Custodes.

@jezlawrence720 11 месяцев назад

If guilliman asked for a better space marine and you've got marines, custodes and primarchs as your model, it would make more sense that he was trying to work out how to mass produce something closer to custodes. That would still be attempting to replicate the emperor's work.

@tankster99 11 месяцев назад

I think Cawl tried creating a primarch but ended up with something more like a custodies.

@pyerack 11 месяцев назад

Protostodies

@TheRealFrambo 11 месяцев назад

Or maybe a Thunder Warrior?

@mitchjames9350 11 месяцев назад

A Thunder Warrior without the flaws would cut through chaos, Orks and Tyranids.

@Kakashi20xd6 11 месяцев назад

Or he tried to make something close to a psyker custodes suitable for “mass production”.

@HammarPwnsYourFace 10 месяцев назад

Something like a primarch - lite version with a custodies twist?

@davidthomas2870 11 месяцев назад

We know that Fabius has genetic samples from multiple primarchs already, so with Primus' gene seed who knows what he might get up to

@NielsMulvad 11 месяцев назад

Eh if Cawl's DNA is in Alpha Primus, then it could have been an attempt to create a new better stronger body for himself. Ridding himself of the need to wipe himself of memories and raising himself closer to the God emperor.

@mrogface 11 месяцев назад

Maybe the Emperor made his 'current' body in a similar way

@NielsMulvad 11 месяцев назад

@@mrogface It 100% depends on how his story is going to move forward. A purist that claims he is not trying to ascend would say that is hogwash. Cawl on the other hand we know dabbles with clones and mind wipe.

@Salmon_Rush_Die 11 месяцев назад

"ridding himself of the need to wipe himself" It was always optional.

@ralyks2350 11 месяцев назад

Oooo that's a great theory

@NielsMulvad 11 месяцев назад

@@ralyks2350 The one I or Salmon wrote? To me it makes sense, that a character that is chasing immortal life and knowledge would attempt to elevate themselves .

@Divadtube 11 месяцев назад

IF the Emperor gave all his sons a part of himself, what do you get putting all the parts back together? No wonder Bile was "taken aback" by Cawl. Cawl is the definition of "treading lightly where gods dare tread".

@BearCavalryWasTaken 11 месяцев назад

I think it be cool if it was revealed that Primus had the body of a primarch, like the features of one, but wasn’t able to get the soul of a primarch, as a result he isn’t on the same level of a primarch but above a space marine

@edwells4769 9 месяцев назад

His current soul is barely attached isn't it?

@timothyc.4668 11 месяцев назад

Ok hear me out, Alpha is the First Begining. He has many gene-seeds contained in him but is shackled by one man's will. Who else contains all the gene-seed under on man's will? What if Cawl tried in desperation to save everything by backwards engineering a new Emperor.

@thisistherevolt 11 месяцев назад

What if the geneseed is a combo of all the Primarchs, the Emperor, and...... Aeldari? That would certainly give Bile pause.

@Iaotle 10 месяцев назад

Xeno origins definitely sound like a cool theory

@CountDVB 11 месяцев назад

I figured Alpha Primus was meant to be his attempt at a Custodian, at least before learning of the inclusion of Magnus’ DNA. But imagine if Cawl got his hands on Primarch Zero: The Angel.

@Cr1zza 10 месяцев назад

First of all, the Sangrpimus Portum was never used after the creation of the Primarchs. We know that Corax acquired something along the lines of it, but not the Sangprimus Portum itself. And given the backleash GW faced when introducing the Primaris, simply using it to make the whole Chaos Marine range just bigger would also generate protest... Most likely Bile will get new toys on paper, but we will not see them on the table or Cawl will reaquire it in a follow on book, after running to Bobby G.

@displeasedsociopath5939 11 месяцев назад

I speculate that Cawl's creation of Alpha Primus is an attempt to create someone to light the Astranomicon once Cawl discovers a way to restore the Omnissiah. It's just the sort of thing he would do. His work on resurrecting Freedish is probably his tinkering to work on how to restore the Emperor. Cawl never does anything for just one reason.

@tetrarch_1347 11 месяцев назад

Would have loved to see an Admec only Alpha Primus model in the range

@Dreadbringer 11 месяцев назад

Actually a good idea

@thebiggestbaz 11 месяцев назад

I made a fake one to walk around with Cawl and just tell my op to ignore him in game haha

@Iaotle 10 месяцев назад

@@thebiggestbazvery cool

@jaegerbomb269 11 месяцев назад

I think this opens the doors to a lot of things. Like the dead Primarchs coming back.

@ThunderBirb 11 месяцев назад

I mean Fabius Bile already proved it was possible to bring a Primarch back with a perfect clone for example, clone Horus (now dead again) and clone Fulgrim who is in Tryzans collection

@hadrian2505 11 месяцев назад

Why would anyone want that?

@ThunderBirb 11 месяцев назад

@@hadrian2505 HORUS HERESY 2.O

@LuckySecond 11 месяцев назад

@@hadrian2505 profits. The lore exists strictly to get you to a checkout counter.

@hadrian2505 11 месяцев назад

I just hate it how they can't leave any people dead in meadia these days

@jesterprince4949 11 месяцев назад

Maybe he has multiple primarchs gene seed within him.... because he is a direct genetic "child" of the Emperor and Cawl. Not a clone, or a splicing of the Primarch gene seed. He is just the Emperors child.

@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1248 11 месяцев назад

You could see why primus could've been a failed primarch attempt, since he's sensitive to the warp.

@badhoplite7299 11 месяцев назад

i dont think Biles gonna give Abbadon the Primus gene seed at all or at least not all of it. He told his Dark Mechanicum ally that he will give the Warmaster "what he wants and no more" and also when he confronted Cawl about his Plans for Primus, he stated that his 'New Men' Will need a powerful king to lead them.

@victorchavis9035 11 месяцев назад

Mad Respect for your love to the lore

@radagastthedank8902 11 месяцев назад

What if Cawl was trying to make a new body for the emperor. If the gene gifts of each of the primarchs came from the emperor then putting 20 different geneseeds into one being may be on its way to being a suitable living vessel to put the emperors conscious into

@lumomagus 11 месяцев назад

Oh he’s an attempt at a Primaris Grey Knight, and that’s how GW will introduce a new line of models for them

@Nemusplanta 11 месяцев назад

amalgamation of many aspects of different primarchs...sound alot like the emperor,it coud all so explain primuses suffering if hes having a psychic connection to the emperor and sensensing part of the suffering emperor is going trough

@COCK-erel 11 месяцев назад

yep starchild cough cough 😅

@user-zp4ge3yp2o 11 месяцев назад

I'd say this guy should probably turn his hand to designing space ships, since they would probably be more useful than a super soldier that is even more super than the super soldiers you already have access to.

@Cozworth1 11 месяцев назад

Could be a possibility that the primarch soul anchored to him is a piece of magnus. Would make sense with him saying he has magnus's genes

@rajukoley9249 11 месяцев назад

It says he has magnus's genes so I doubt he has a magnus soul shard.

@willemtrialmont4241 11 месяцев назад

Could Primus be the clone of the Emperor instead of a new Primarch. Trying to stitch the original from desperate parts of the Emperor spread across all of that geneseed left over from the Primarch project.

@gareth0412 11 месяцев назад

Primus is meant to replace the emperor on the golden throne. That's his ultimate destiny I think. I thought it was obvious, when you add it all together. He's a clone of the emperor himself... Consider the fact that the emperor is the ultimate primogenitor for all transhumans of the Imperium. Cawl has his raw DNA stored. For me biles reaction cemented my theory. Not much can excite Fabius Bile or indeed give him pause and shock him. He has all the emperors abilities but without the foundations that made the emperor so stable. Most importantly his Farsight abilities. He can handle them with little struggle, unlike sanguinius and Cruze who struggled immensely.

@levimaccabeeus1235 11 месяцев назад

This was always my theory too. I believed that Fabius got excited because he realized that alpha primus may be the final piece he needs to complete his emperor cloning project

@sparkeykills1 11 месяцев назад

I don't think he's a clone of the emperor though I do see the merit in the theory, just finished the book today, and what I got from the way fabius reacted was almost like a kinship, remember that fabius bile has already created a "perfect" primarch clone fulgrim in the second story in his series. The reaction I got from fabius when he saw what alpha Primus was he almost felt a kinship with cawl. I think he tried to create a clone of Magnus. The way he talks about the warp and the dreams that he has. He talks about "feeling" people in the warp the same way that Magnus and lorgar talked about during the heresy in Betrayer and the thousand sons book.

@gareth0412 11 месяцев назад

@@sparkeykills1 Bile referred to Primus as something very special indeed. In Primogenitor, Bile isn't even proud of himself or even considers the Fulgrim clone as his greatest work. He gives it to The infinite after all. If primus was another Primarch clone I don't think he'd be as excited as he was. Ultimately knowing Cawl and his overconfidence, I don't think he could resist trying to clone the emperor if he had the opportunity. Everything from the Bile and cawl series tells me that this is an ultimate ending to Cawls story. If it is Magnus then I would be underwhelmed.

@motherreaper7287 11 месяцев назад

Put all 20 geneseed lineages together you probably get an emperor clone, food for thought.

@platexproductions 9 месяцев назад

What if Alpha Primus was made by Caul to replace the Emperor on the Golden Throne, as Magnus was?

@seanbrazell7095 11 месяцев назад

I think Primus was designed to be able to replace the emperor on the golden throne. Magnus DNA? Check. Constant pain tolerance? Check. Or maybe he is LITTERALY Alpharius, or built upon the body of alpharius recovered after Dorn killed him. There are two alpha legion primarchs (or were anyway), hence the designator "PRIMUS"

@fernandopires135 11 месяцев назад

I think primus is a sad failed attempt at cloning the emperor The multi-gene is not the goal, its a consequence of not having access to the emperors dna... Cawl tried to recreate Big E by combining the genes of his sons

@vascoaching8590 11 месяцев назад

Either Fabius wants to enhance his new men with psychic ability or wants to help the thousand sons reverse their curse and own him BIG time. I highy dooubt he wants to do Abaddon any favors.

@shorney11 9 месяцев назад

I think his soul itself is a shard of Magnus anchored to his body, the pain is it pulling away towards its greater whole. This may explain his physic potential.

@Олексій-г1в 10 месяцев назад

Genes as a weapon. That why I love 40k. We need to start document all unique genetic human traits we can find right. And map them. Fuck that will be useful.

@Akabans999 11 месяцев назад

Personaly I think Cawl was trying to make Emperor a new beter body, thats why he still has that device. Wouldnt be suprised if he still is trying to do it and that Primaris and Alpha Primus are side venefits of that projeckt.

@grahamstrouse1165 10 месяцев назад

Has he created an Autobot? That’s an ambitious crossover…

@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind 8 месяцев назад

My guess is Alpha Primus is a watered down Primarch without whatever stuff the emperor took out the warp to make his Primarchs.

@vontheunknown7982 11 месяцев назад

Did he just say Magnus the red geneseed is inside of Primus?! Holy s***, Can you believe this?! 8:55

@kb9oak749 11 месяцев назад

The purpose of Primus is to generate more truckloads of cash for GW.

@huwtindall7096 10 месяцев назад

At the end of the book Cawl also says his own genes are in Primus; that's why he treats him like a son. It's not just asartes genes in there.

@davidtodd2104 11 месяцев назад

I always wondered why a Custodes couldn’t be enhanced further with Space Marine gene seed and extra organs. They are basically scaled up humans.

@aquavitae3824 11 месяцев назад

I guess Geneseed is designed for standard human genome.

@jasutinborchert4418 11 месяцев назад

Aren’t custodes already genetically engineered to perfection?

@aquavitae3824 11 месяцев назад

@@jasutinborchert4418 what's wrong with a few fangs or the flesh-change!? 🤔😄

@ericmacrae6871 11 месяцев назад

@@jasutinborchert4418yes they are

@Sp3rmWizrd 11 месяцев назад

So are fabius' new men that powerful?

@dingesskahn 11 месяцев назад

from Lexicanium, "A sub-type of New Men are Gland Hounds. These are made by partial gene-seed implantation. Gland Hounds are designed to hunt Space Marines in packs and retrieve their gene-seed. They are loyal to Bile on a genetic level and worship him as a quasi-god."

@JamieZero7 7 месяцев назад

So many interesting details in this one. It's highly worth getting. It's also a good story too.

@falsehero2001 11 месяцев назад

What if Alpha Primus is literally Cawl's son? As in he used his own child (or created a clone) as the baseline human to create Alpha.

@Derpzila 11 месяцев назад

recon primus might be an attempt at a replacement big E ?

@dontgetmarried 11 месяцев назад

Cawl is the definition of "what has SCIENCE DOOOOONE?!"

@aykraxart7238 7 месяцев назад

Alpha Primus: A blueprint for creating a suitable new body for the immense soul of the Corpse Emperor, that been the end goal The Resurrection of the Omniessiah . Imagine that 😳

@RogueSanta 11 месяцев назад

Fabius is seething somewhere in the warp

@15DEAN1995 11 месяцев назад

He has gene seed and that to me says he can't be an attempt at a primarch. I have never heard of a primarchs having gene seed because they do not need implants. My assumption is primus was a test bed for all of the gene seed cawl created. I could imagine him going through and implanting all of the gene seed for say the 1st legion, then removing it and placing in the 2nd or 3rd legion then continuing until he got to the 20th legion. All of these conflicting attributes inside him I could see causing the pain he described. Imagine having the psyker talent of magnus combined with the anti psyker nature of mortarion or russ.

@guillaumealbin8477 10 месяцев назад

Astartes : 19 organs. Primaris : 22 organs. Alpha primus : 159² organs. "He packed me with everything he could. It failed. Now I suffer. Would you stop stepping on my toe ? That's where my liver is. Thank you !"

@100thmonkey 10 месяцев назад

is his appearance described? What color is his armour? face, helmet? What weapons, etc...?

@michaelhowell2326 11 месяцев назад

During the Great Crusade the Thousand Sons were the considered the best psykers, but was every TS psyker better than any of the Librarians of other legions?

@eotwkdp 7 месяцев назад

Essentially Cawl is a master of creating a material body But we need a master to properly place a soul into said body. Mind,body and soul must all be stable

@swidbald9751 10 месяцев назад

Maybe Cawl tride to perfect and stabelize the old thunder warrior Project. Espetely seens they where more combat effeciant then the astartis. So having them stable culd actully help out

@skaut_games7644 11 месяцев назад

I started reading great work yesterday and boom I see you making episode on thing in Curius about

@jjsheets330 11 месяцев назад

Cawl made a proto-emperor. He had the gene seed of all 20 primarchs and what would be the greatest creation you could ever make, THE EMPEROR. For a person in Bile who can make a primarch easily to be impressed it has to be even greater than that. Belisarius Cawl made his own Emperor into his son. The man’s a genius!!!!!!!

@doubledigital_ 11 месяцев назад

i think cawl made his own mini Big E .. by mistake and doesn't know it yet

@Voxael 10 месяцев назад

Cawl tried to combine ALL Primarch geneseed to recreate the Emperor

@LuoSon312_G8 11 месяцев назад

they trying to create a mini Emperor!?

@wiggilybuffalo4223 10 месяцев назад

A combination of blood angel thousand sons and night lords geneseed could really supercharge alpha causing juiced warp powers maybe even grey knight geneseed would be crazy

@JadenLingerfelt 11 месяцев назад

Maybe Cawl tried to distill the primarch geneseed back into the Emperor’s?

@andrewwatts2443 10 месяцев назад

Cawl tried to create the Emperor but bound to him from the sounds of it. Perhaps Cawl was trying to create a body for the emperor.

@theguardlorenzo5898 11 месяцев назад

Inb4 he just tried to make an emperor geneseed based marine by trying to mix all of the primarcs

@stoneage3429 11 месяцев назад

I have not read genefather yet, and i usualy dont mind spoilers, an account of wh40k novels being somewhat pridictable, but knowing that alpha primus is killed is a bit dissapointing. Always thought of him as a hibred of eeyore from winnie the poo and doc denica from catch 22. He deserved his own novel ,he is alot more interesting that others that got their own novel

@MrDaisblackwing1 10 месяцев назад

What if Alpha Primus is a combo of all 20 gene lines and a little of Cawl's genes. Then made the Primarius from there.

@DEMONsDVS 11 месяцев назад

I think one of the patterns that we seem to forget is that the emperor created 20 primarchs, and the existence of symmetry in the 40k universe, meaning, there's the immaterial and the material, from the primarchs we see the same symmetry, Sanguinius is the opposite of Konrad Curze, Rogal Dorn and Perturabo, Jaghatai Khan and Mortarion, Ferrurs Manus and Fulgrim, Angron and Lorgar, it is highly likely that one of the primarchs that doesn't have an equally or opposite is Magnus, and highly likely that Cawl has the genes of the 2 unknown primarchs and this highly likely that one of those is the companion of sorts to Magnus, and highly likely they are combined in Alpha Primus, I know this is a tinfoil hat thing to say

@kevinbaumhoer7359 11 месяцев назад

Why Sanguinius and Konrad not Corvus and Konrad and Sanguinis and Horus

@DEMONsDVS 11 месяцев назад

Sanguinius and Konrad were able to see the future, their abilities were connected, whilst horus was more of a tactician and politician and probably as much charisma as the angel, and no connection to the warp that we know of. And crocus would probably be alpharius and omegon

@JcBravo8 11 месяцев назад

Cawl tried to recreate the Emperor. A new body for him to occupy. Or take the golden throne.

@Galeso548 11 месяцев назад

I think Alpha Primus was an attempt to make a custodes with primarch geneseeds

@REEDSOF9 11 месяцев назад

So Alpha Primus is a Blood Raven. Made out of everything not nailed down and probably Magnus.

@PapaFunDip 10 месяцев назад

What if primus is a combination of geneseed held together by the geneseed of the emperor

@Gavriel01 10 месяцев назад

If he is an amalgamation of all the Emperor's gifts given to the primarchs, does it not make sense that he was a terribly failed attempt to create a new Emperor?

@JD-td6oh 11 месяцев назад

Cawl is a straight up g. I stand by him until the end.

@ninjacom3 11 месяцев назад

Some kind of psychic custodes thing.

@Nykona-Sharrowkyn 11 месяцев назад

Is it possible that Alpha Primus also has DNA from the expunged Primarchs?

@danielmartin531 9 месяцев назад

Would explain his unusual ability to completely hide his psychic presence from even librarians.

@fostegg1 10 месяцев назад

A psychic custodian maybe ? More than an astartes less than a primarch but a new breed

@mikemoore2791 10 месяцев назад

My non lore, not a fan boy understanding is AP is an absolute monster made up of gene characteristics of multiple primarchs. So an absolute living weapon. Every aspect of the various marines turned up to 11, in a setting where everyrhing is at 11 already. His geneseed could make other lesser marines. He is almost a Primarch.

@TheMojeff 11 месяцев назад

He could have been trying to make a custodes equivalent

@VectorTet 8 месяцев назад

We can all agreed cawl is a master of the material world but souls are something else.

@TheKnizzine 6 месяцев назад

Everybody is all on the its a body for Big E or a batrery for the throne train but nobody seems to remember that Cawl kinda mind/body jacks people. He is trying to make himself The Emperor/ Omnissiah.

@md-sl1io 10 месяцев назад

the word alpha primus has the letters of the word ALPHARIUS in that order

@sonofspartacus 10 месяцев назад

WHat if he has the potential to be something akin to a Custodes, or a "super custodes", aka the next big thing that the EMperor created, after the Primarchs.

@joechurchill6945 11 месяцев назад

Yes all 20 legions gene lines were in the sangprimus portum, there's one thing that's clear from this tho magnus the red gene seed can be used to a point that doesn't involve the flesh change or the rubric of ahriman... blood ravens anyone

@anthonywalker6268 11 месяцев назад

He's got the night lord self hatred.

@dungeonpastor8295 11 месяцев назад

Primus as Grey knight primarch? Had the big e’s geneseed and that’s why he has magnus’? Could work considering Janus; maybe even his clone spiced up with other prinarch’s genes.

@antonioguarrera6240 9 месяцев назад

Wait I've missed something, did Fabius Bile capture or kill Alpha Primus and extract his gene seed, which would kill him anyway? How does Bile have Primus' gene seed?

@meateaw 11 месяцев назад

I wonder if he was trying to recreate a primarch specifically Magnus, to take the place of the emperor on the golden throne.

@tomdolan9761 11 месяцев назад

Alpha Primus is a template created as prototype for preliminary development for the Primarus Marines but was probably too ambitious. One wonders how much information Cawl has to the Emperor’s creation of the Custodes

@MichaelWilson-dm4gz 11 месяцев назад

Alpha Primus might be more along the lines of the Emperor?

@SChen-ei8gx 11 месяцев назад

He just wanted a Son. That's it, nothing more complicated than that, a son, someone to love and pass on a part of himself to. Even Cawl knows he will not live forever.

@Dreadbringer 11 месяцев назад

Maybe he was made with all the traitors geneseed making him the solution for chaos to upgrade, maybe he id a primaris to the primares or a spacemarine 3.0, or maybe he is the template for grey knights primaris