Today, we'll take a look at a watch that's done right at a shockingly wearable size: The Tudor Black Bay 58. Thanks to Lewis Jewelers (www.lewisjewelers.com/) in Ann Arbor, Michigan for loaning this guy my way so I could check it out.
I'm a big fan of this watch. I appreciate the closed case back. It Keeps the watch thinner. The no date keeps the dial clean. The domed crystal and 39mm case size sticks with the vintage vibe. I appreciate your review, but I feel like you missed what Tudor was going for.
after owning couple pp and rolex and this one, this one becomes top 3 watches that I love in terms of quality , accuracy and design it's a steal with the price
Great watch Nick - I have the black/gilt version which I bought last year and find myself wearing as much as all my other watches combined. Those faux rivets on the bracelet are silly, I wear my BB58 on an assortment of after-market Nato straps, choosing the colour that best matches the rest of my outfit. The blue version looks quite different, smarter and more modern, better suited to the bracelet, and I'd like to have it too, but as I already have the other BB58 I'd go for an Omega Seamaster 300 if I want a blue dive watch! I love the absence of date (who needs to know the date underwater?), and like you I just adore the size and wearability of the watch. Solid caseback? Well it is supposed to be a diver! Stupid name? Sure - who cares?
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You prefer the Omega over the Pelagos? Any particular reasons?
Man, you really nailed it Nick. Yeah, I saw this today in the metal at the AD and really liked it. I have a 2010 Seamaster already (perfect condition) and love that its smaller than the current SM. I was shocked when this watch fit me so well (small wrist here). I admit, I do like the Pelogos dial better. I feel like if I could have this watch, with that dial and clasp.. LOL, DONE!
I have to say, since March/April, I added a couple of pieces to my knife collection, bought a machine era pen, an o-light, and only realizing now that I have gotten into watches. It started with a casio 91w but then I bought a Rolex. While there is a massive amount of joy here, I can't help but wonder how this happened.
Wow cool I just got this bad boy Friday! I hadn’t been aware of this model, I wasn’t a ardent Tudor follower but I was interested in their smiley text blue dial 36mm black bay but 36mm is too small 🥲for my wrist it looked like a kids watch or ladies watch 🤣on my wrist and I only have a 7” wrist but there ya go. Just sheer dumb luck I saw this model because it was blue and I loved it instantly once I had been made aware of its existence! I was not planning on moving up to this level 💰but I must say the size is truly awesome 🪄 and 20mm straps which are my FAVORITE SIZE🎉🎉.!!
I get all my watches from Lewis jewelers in Ann Arbor, they are great. DK and Keith are awesome. I actually just picked this watch up a couple days ago from them.
I very recently bought the Black Bay 58 Navy Blue to compliment a range of predominantly black-dialled watches in my collection that include the classic Rolex Submariner Date 16610 that I've cherished for 19 yrs. The Tudor is a super, very well-made luxury timepiece and I appreciate its rather understated blue dial and aluminium bezel compared to the 'bling-blue' ceramic of my Omega Seamaster 300. Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. The blue really pops in daylight or in well-lit rooms and a pleasure to wear. Although not quite up there with the Rolex in the absolute quality stakes - but why should it be when barely 35% of the retail price - go to an AD and try one on. In-house COSC certified movement, 70 hrs power reserve.... you won't be disappointed.
I had the BB58 black for a few months and flipped it. The size and fit were outstanding, best of any watch I’ve owned. The killer was the gilt, so much gilt. The bezel, hands, hour markers and dial text, it’s just too much. If they toned it down a bit and removed the gilt from at least the bezel it would make a world a difference. The blue does feel a bit bland/sterile compared to the black but I’d probably go with blue if I were to get another.
I own a Black Bay 36, which is a very different watch, but it also has the adjustability issue. After wearing it for more than a year I can officially state that three adjustment holes plus no half links are just not sufficient. Also, the folding part of the clasp is too long if you have small wrists.
Agree about the clasp. I have 6.25 inch wrists and I JUST about get away with the food of the clasp staying within the curvature of the bottom of my wrist, if I had a 6inch wrist it would stick out the side for sure. I feel my Christopher Ward has the best clasp I’ve ever used.
I have a bb58 blue too, and I think both of ours have the same small problem. The blue aluminum bezel ring is rotated like a degree left. You can tell that the white arrow on top with the pearl is pointing a bit left of the 12’oclock vertical line.
They don't add half links or a quick adjust intentionally because they want you to buy the next tier up which is the Rolex OPs and the Explorers. Pelagos is much more tool-like instead of like jewellery so they're fine with a spring clasp there.
My Hamilton Navy Scuba Khaki (the 43 mm, 300 meter one) has a ceramic bezel and it's under a thousand bucks msrp, and generally found in sale for under 800. I can't imagine accepting aluminum on a 3k plus watch. Not that I'm going to be buying a 3k+ watch any time soon, but if I were looking, that would be a deal breaker.
I've owned the black version of the 58 for over a year and sold it last Friday. It is a nice watch but I really need a date and ceramic bezel. So I used the money and got the new Oris Aquis Calibre 400 😍.
But Nick you owned a pelagos what happened to that watch it was a beauty, (it is going to be my next watch) and i think not all watches should be small, i have a big wrist size. As i remember the pelagos comes i two sizes, let them do that at least.
If I were to buy this I would buy the leather strap version and then separately buy a Strapcode metal bracelet rather than the faux rivet fail. I think manufacturers underestimate the importance of bracelets, especially in terms of link management and adjustability.
@@tn_onyoutube8436 I have a Victorinox that I bought ~10 years ago with a titanium bracelet and steel case. There is no difference in the wear/scratching between the metals. Yes, maybe a bit more expensive, but I'll pay the extra $$$ for the weight savings.
Love the look & would consider it in future but cons.....I don't like the bezel play & noticed the seconds hand play when you adjust the minutes back & forth.....my cheap Seiko 5 is the only watch of mine that does that. My more expensive Seiko (still cheaper than BB58) & Rolex don't.
Tbf if Tudor were good at names, they probably wouldn't be calling half their watches "Black Bay". Even some of the chronos - at least if it was their overall term for dive watches it might make a little more sense!
Those rivets are fake by the way, I kinda hate this bracelet for that reason. Leather strap on the blue version is very cool though. I'm thinking of buying this watch.
I own the BB58 in black, it's a really good watch. The three micro ajustments are enough to keep me comfortable most of the time. If I have to ajust it to a bit larger, I use a sim ejector pin I have on my keyholder. The fake rivets are not something you really see when wearing the watch. It's also very good on a strap, and thin enough to comfortably wear on a nato strap. To me it's a great watch to have!
date on divers should be banned. on dress(y) watches, too. that's not "bad", that's excellent aluminium bezel... eeeeh. i dunno. i get the looks, but i feel like a brushed/matte ceramic would look just as vintage the bracelet is not a problem, imo (other than lacking half links)... that clasp, though, is an absolute travesty at that price point in this point in time (badum ptsh). i really really really really really don't understand why they didn't just downscale the Pelagos clasp. why, Tudor, whhhhyyy?!? one "bad" you forgot to mention is the lack of AR coating on the crystal one "good" thing: the resale value is excellent. on the secondary, the BB58 is only a couple hundred less than the Seamaster 300 secondary values btw, Nick, have you tried/considered the 39.5mm Omega Planet Ocean? yeah, i'd also like a Seamaster in 40mm (particularly the one with the "sword hands" from the previous generation), but unfortunately i think the PO is the only one in that size in the near future :(
Lol on 'guilt dial' Clearly guilt dial is when you call up your ex in the middle of the night and tell them how sorry you are, that you're gonna change, that you two were meant to be, and that they have to give you another chance. Extra pathetic-points for filling up their voice mail instead.
Guys who are "into watches" please explain this to me. In what way is this "an amazing watch"? It looks like any number of Rolex homages. The bracelet is "bad". The bezel is "bad". You can't see the movement. It has no date. So, why would I buy this, for the price of a used car, instead of an Invicta 9094OB? Sure the movement is probably not as accurate, and the crystal won't be sapphire -- but it's also $84.99 at Jomashop right now, and to me it LOOKS remarkably similar. I'm just not comprehending the value proposition of this watch.
In the metal/hand, the finishing is noticeably better; dial print and applications are more crisp; and the proportions of all elements are more coherent and less cartoony than a lot of homages (e.g. invicta). A lot of the low cost homages are known to flood and fail their water resistance. And, ultimately, it has the benefit of being "the original design" rather than being "a lookalike". Is the Tudor BB58 worth multiple thousands? Mmno, not for me. Is it better than the low cost homages? Objectively, yes.
@@ElijsDima Thank you for your cogent reply. I certainly concur with your penultimate point. I see this particular watch as a fail, based on Nick's review; after watching the review I'm still not sure what he liked about it, other than the size.
Tudor is not a Rolex Homage, Tudor is the sister brand Rolex created by Rolex's founder Hand Wilsdorf as an alternative to Rolex to offer watches of fantastic reliability but at a cheaper price and it needs to be stressed that the watches weren't cheaper because the quality of the bracelet or case but Because they used cheaper movements. And Tudor is not without history, Tudor is very much a reliable and sturdy watch so much do that the Tudor submariner (precursor to the BB58 line) was chosen as the standard issue watch for the Navy of the United States, France, Britian and several other countries (hodinkee did a video about a Vietnam War Vet that was in UDT and the seal teams and how once they became official members they were issued Tudor submariner watches because of their sheer durability I highly recommend you check it out) Now onto this particular watch. This particular watch is the Tudor Black Bay 58 blue. This watch is part of Tudor effort to reinvent themselves as a serious watch brand. The Tudor BB58 and all tudor watches are assembled and checked for quality in the ROLEX factory, that bracelet is extremely high quality and almost identical to Rolex's oyster bracelets with the only difference being the rivets seen, they aren't real rivets they serve no mechanical function and are there for aesthetics the watch. This watch features Tudor's Cosc certified iso dive certified caliber MT5402 a very accurate and durable watch movement that is comparable with Rolex's own movements. There's a lot to unpack with this watch and I strongly recommend you check out watchfinders, ID watch guy, the time teller to learn more about this watch but I'll sum it up The black bay 58 is not some cheap Rolex homage, it is made by Rolex themselves and it is a near 1:1 reproduction of the Rolex Submariner of 1958 the watch that the Tudor submariner (BB58 predecessor) was based off of and this watch offers something that Rolex doesn't anymore. This watch embodies the spirit of the rolex company of old, it provides an affordable tool watch that is very accurate and very, very durable
I haven't even watched this review yet (just getting into this channel - I have no interest in knives but Nick seems an interesting character and I enjoy his vids!). But I have an original BB58 on my wrist and know my watches. I think the main thing to say is the more you get into watches, the more many of us notice the smaller things. The real 'flexes' when it comes to quality. With me, the smaller corners that were cut in cheaper watches which used to be acceptable to me, no longer are. The biggest problem with this watch for me which is such a shame is no half link, which is think is a cynical decision. But, just the action of closing the clasp - it absolutely oozes quality with those ceramic ball bearings. Honestly no other watch I own comes close, and few watches out there do so without getting into silly money. In fact you can even spend twice the money and not get a clasp like this. It makes me laugh when people say they'd put an aftermarket bracelet on this because they don't like the links! Ridiculous. Lack of micro adjust aside, this is an awesome bracelet. Trust me, I have many bracelets. The movement is a technical achievement. High beat rate, high power reserve, small, and very accurate. İf the movement isn't attractive to you then luxury automatic watches probably aren't your thing, and that's fine. But it's like saying to a car person, what's so special about the Ferrari when I can travel to the same destination in a Ford. The answer, is everything's special. Also the bezel is aluminium as a stylistic choice I believe (I don't think this was cynical). I haven't watched this yet but I'm guessing he complains about it not being ceramic, like he does on the black Bay Bronze video. Two things - aluminium bezels have much nicer colours, and secondly, they're more traditional. Granted the blue 58 isn't meant to look quite as old style as the original black one, it's still a traditional style design. Bright shiny ceramic wouldn't work. Further stylistic choices are in the lack of date and closed case back. Traditional dive watches are tools - you don't have glass case backs. Secondly, even though seeing the raw mechanics is cool to me, in true horological terms, the movement isn't finished to high enough a degree to be 'worth' seeing. And if they finished the movement more, the price probably doubles. Plus it just wouldn't match the design ethos. Lastly - no date - it's a dive watch! You don't need the date under water. Secondly, dates are a bit of a hot topic in watches, because they affect the design purity of the watch dial. They break up the symmetry. Lastly, there is direct lineage here. There is genuine history. That's special. This isn't some knock-off - these are the same company harking back to the original submariners. Again, if you don't care that's fine - but to many there's an attraction in getting the real deal - not a cheap imitation. Honestly, be glad you don't 'get' watches. They're bloody expensive!
@@speckledjim_ 30 mm on a dive watch would leave you with about 20 mm dial size. You wouldn't be able to distinguish indices, and when lumed, it would be one glowing ring.
@@speckledjim_ "I mean the dial size" -- In that case I do not understand your original comment. This watch is 38 mm wide including bezel. That means the dial is smaller than 30 mm. How is that huge then?
