The results are in. After a couple days, we've tallied up the votes so far and with 42% of the vote, the Savage 110 wins. The Fierce edge fell short by just 3 votes. Here's the breakdown. Savage 110 Ultralight - 42% Fierce Edge - 41% Browning X Bolt Hell's Canyon Speed - 11% Kimber Mountain Ascent - 6% So since the Savage and the Fierce are so close, we're going to take them both. Jim's hunting with the Fierce Edge in 7mm Rem Mag and Ricky's hunting with the Savage 110 Ultralight in 270. Hopefully we'll get to see how they both perform!
You know fellas you do some great reviews and when you're trying to shave 2lbs off a rifle but one of you could shave 80-100lbs somewhere else and the other 30-40lbs. Are you really sure you have you're priorities straight?
Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, ru-vid.comUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.
I take my Savage 110, 30-06 with me into the backcountry every year. Leopold scope 7 lbs with the cartridges. Just carry it in hand 90% of the time.. I'm 67 years old..still solo hunting.
7 mm all day long! Options are unbelievable for ammo with this caliber! A ton of game taken with this caliber. Flat shooting with great down range killing power!
Fierce in 7MM mag is my first choice with the Savage in 2nd place. To be totally honest I use a converted Springfield in 30-06 as my main deer/elk rifle. It’s It’s about 90 years old and has never let me down. I wish I could afford one of the sexy rifles but probably will never happen.
Nice these new guns make it way to easy . I put my 300 in the safe and dug out a 303 british ross rifle its way more challenging iron sights too model 1910 .
Savage + Leupold is what I would put my money on. Savage accuracy and Leupold durability and twilight light management are the key futures for me. And for what it’s worth they are both US made, which is not the case for all other scopes and some of the rifles.
I have a Savage 110 chambered in 243 and I love it. I can literally hit nickels at 100 yards with it. It’s incredibly accurate. My dad bought it for me when I was a kid for my first very own deer rifle and I still hunt whitetails with it to this day. It has been a damn good rifle.
I live, hunt and handload in interior Alaska. I recently bought a stainless Tikka T3 lite in .270 Win to complement my 1976 Remington 700 in .270 Win. I was impressed with load development...in one afternoon I got a load shooting IMR4350 and Barnes 130gr TTSX with subMOA groups at 100 and 200 yards and low muzzle velocity variation (standard deviation 4.6 fps). I like that Optiloc system of Sako and Tikka where I mounted the Warnes rings directly to the reciever dovetail with the recoil lug built directly in the ring. That made fro an extremely light all-weather mountain rifle that is a tack driver with hand loads.
You can use a SFP reticle for range estimation and windage/holdover, regardless of magnification level, with a little math. If you're zoomed in a third of the maximum magnification, treat the hashes as triple what they would be. At half maximum zoom, they're double ( inverse relation between zoom percentage and hash value ). A four power magnification range ( 3-12, 4-16, etc ) makes it easy. It may not be quite as quick or precise as a FFP, but it's doable. Also, I'd cheat on the voting. I say the 110, but get one chambered in 280 AI. And if you don't want the weight of the 25x scope, anything 16x or above would be almost as good.
For me I don't have to worry about what to take hunting season 2021. I just bought a Browning A Bolt 3 in 6.5 creedmoor. So let's hope it does the job.
I’ve harvested 4 elk all with my 270 Win and never had one run past 40 yards and they were shot from 40 yards all the way out to 462 yards and never had a problem with the 130gr bullets and would feel comfortable out to 500 yards
@@gavinmorrison7788 , great! Thank you. Did it perform well at the extended range? I'm going to try the new Hornady 130g CX Outfitter ammo this season. I've used the 145gEldx for 6 bucks so far with great success. No elk with that load yet. I archery hunt mostly for elk right now. Shot most of my bulls with a 7mm mag and 270wsm.
@@krisshepherd740 at extended ranges such as 400 yards the bullet would leave a pretty good size wound channel and exit and, from what I’ve experienced they only run about 35 to 40 yards
I own the Hunter version in 280AI. 1/2 MOA no problem. Only paid around $800 a few years back. I like his videos but whenever I see him throw the Kimber in the mix I cringe because he pretty much finds a reason to trash it. I've owned 3 savages, 2 are 110's. They don't even come close to the Kimber's accuracy and feeding reliability. Even with the Savage's heavier barrels. Not sure if he even pointed out the Kimber's control round feed. A big plus in my book.
I have elk hunted from the age of 14 and am now 68. I sold all my magnum rifles because they aren't needed. I have kept three rifles that fit every situation I need them for. .275 Rigby, 30-06, and .35 Whelen. I have other rifles but these three do everything I need. The two largest elk I ever killed, (both 6x6 in 300 range) were shot with the .275 Rigby. The 35 Whelen is just a little bit higher on the ballistic scale than a 9.3x62 which is close to a .338 mag. and the 30-06 is a Weatherby Vanguard that I shot my last elk with at 236 yards and I aimed for and shot him in the back of the head. If a man can not get within 400 yards or less he cannot call himself a hunter he is just a shooter. Oh yes, the 30-06 has a dangerous game scope on it, 1.5-5 power. Watch Gunblue490 and learn that when it comes to scopes less is more.
I have to agree 100% with your order & selection. I was feeling bad about leaning toward the Fierce because of weight but it has been my pick all along. Close 2nd is the Savage but would rather see it in a 280 AI or 30/06. I prefer the 7mm Rem Mag as a whole. I have had 2 over the years & will be getting another in the next few months or so. We really have enjoyed this series as well as your others. Lord bless you young men. You have our prayers for safety and success on your hunt(s).
I know this is well after the voting, but I just wanted to say that I love the .280 Rem/A.I. cartridges. It can perform very near to 7mm RM, in a standard length action. It also, just deserves more love than it gets.
I use to go out coyote hunting with the 30-06 700 to 800 yards and beyond and bag them more .could you kill an elk yes maybe not through the shoulder..longivaty the ought 6 the reason ammo is hard to get.Theirs twice as many 30-06 sixes sold as any other rifle always has you don't need magnum power to reach out to 700 to 800 yards with an ought 6.theirs enough data on them to reach even 6 to eight inch targets at beyond 800 yards easily.with the long barrel life and a little practice over larger more powerful rifles and good scope it could get the job done.and their is a lot of hunters that wouldn't hesitate to take shots at 600 or beyond with a 160 to 180 grain bullets for elk or moose with the 30-06.
Might have been 3500 yards or better I just said 2500 but I know for a fact it was at least 2500 but 3500 yards with the 30-06 sounds more appropriate with 180 grain bullets.it put a half inch crater in the 1inch steel plate.
Even a 308 will reach well over 1000 yards and hit the target.on a windy day with a lot of practice.snipers do this all the time at phenomenal ranges beyond way beyond 1000 yards on man sized targets because their properly trained and practice alot.know what the rifle you have can do.
I would take a tikka t3 super light with a carbon stock in 7mm mag over any of the above. Super accurate.. light and affordable. Also hard to beat them opti lock rings.
@@kalindanley2843 here in New Zealand tikka t3s are the biggest seller. There popular for a reason. The T3 super light weighs less than an xbolt and shoots just as well if not better. So you sit down.
I have 2 firearms chambered in .30-'06. I have one load that delivers sub MOA accuracy in both guns. Capable on Elk out to 400 yards. I would not feel undrgunned with either rifle.
I just got a Tikka Tx3 light 30- 06 due to your channel. I am new to rifles, but not hunting. Here is where everyone goes awe. I am from NJ. You can only hunt with shotguns in NJ, therefore I plan to hunt in PA with the rifle. Oddly enough I got the 30 - 06 due to the availability of the ammo. I have gotten different brands of ammo, but I need to settle on one brand as I sight in the rifle. I almost got the Savage Ultralight, therefore, I want to see the Savage on the Elk hunt.
I am a Louisiana flat lander that uses a Ruger American. 308 to hunt elk in Colorado every year. On my ten plus mile daily hikes the weight of that gun hasn't ever been an issue.
I wanna like savage but they need to fix their mags I’ve had a mag break while at the range after the mag fell from table height and turned my 243 into a single shot
Your understanding of MOA is incorrect. 1 MOA at 400 yards is a 4" diameter circle, not 4" radius. Your example at 6:40 would be correct at 800 yards, not 400 yards. A 1 MOA capable rifle would shoot a 4" group at 400 yards, 1/2 MOA would be 2" at 400 yards. I absolutely agree with your statement that 1 MOA generally won't cut it for me either and I want my rifles to shoot 1/2 MOA or better, but a 1 MOA rifle will not shoot an 8" group at 400 yards.
Your understanding of their explanation is incorrect. They said if a kill zone is 8" in total, and you aim for the dead center you are now 4" from the top or the bottom. If you have a 1 MOA gun, it would therefore be possible that you hit at the extreme end of that 4" range either high or low, which would leave you on the verge of missing the vitals altogether (and that doesn't take into account human error, rest, environmental conditions, stability of the rest, etc.). They never said that 1 MOA would be an 8 inch group, just that if you are aiming at the center point of an 8 inch kill zone 1 MOA accuracy could put you up to 4 inches away, which again would potentially put you on a much less ethical and/or effective shot. Looking at it as a radius in this case is absolutely correct. Also, there is no need to mention a group as all that is needed here is the maximum error potential of ONE shot to make the point. If you have shot enough then you have seen a flyer before, and I would imagine that you have also seen some guns that have a significant shift between a cold bore shot and a 2nd shot. Their explanation of the scenario was correct and not that hard to replicate.
@@princessem6423 Their explanation, and your understanding of their explanation by your own words, is incorrect. 1 MOA at 400 yards is a circle with a diameter of 4 inches not a radius of 4 inches. So one shot in a 1 MOA gun at 400 yards will land somewhere within a 4 inch diameter circle, not a 4 inch radius circle. If the vital zone is 8 inches in diameter on an animal then a 1 MOA gun will hit within a 4 inch circle within that 8 inch vital zone. Yes there are other environmental factors, stability of the rifle, and cold bore shift is a thing, which is why I agree that generally a 1 MOA gun is not acceptable for me. I want all my rifles to shoot 1/2 MOA or better so that I have additional fudge factor for those other potential issues. But again with a 1/2 MOA gun at 400 yards the rifle will put a bullet somewhere within a 2 inch diameter circle, not a 2 inch radius circle. Ryan Cleckner has a really good video on explaining MOA and what it means at different yardages if you have time to go and watch it.
@@trevorschuetz1530 You are assuming everything from center. There are infinite 4 inch circles within that 8-inch kill zone. You are assuming a perfect 2 inch radius around the middle of the target. Your understanding of geometry is lacking here, not your understanding of the concept of MOA. As I said before, from the dead center of the 8 inch kill zone, you would only be FOUR INCHES from the outer rim of the kill zone in any direction. That is MOA margin of ERROR. You could have a gun that consistently shoots high... If you are aiming dead center of said 8 inch target then you would indeed have a FOUR INCH group, yet it would be skewed towards the top HALF of the kill zone. Someone else could have a gun that shoots consistently low... then they would have a group that would be skewed towards the extreme bottom of the kill zone. Would they both be MOA groups? Yes. Would they both be pushing the edges of the kill zone? Yes. This isn't rocket science dude. It is really basic understanding. TLDR: You have a 2 MOA circle. From the center of that circle there is a 1 MOA margin of error in every direction. 1 MOA gun could throw out some suspect shots even when not accounting for human error. It was never argued (in my statement nor the video) that 8 inches at 400 is 1 MOA, you just have low reading comprehension.
@@princessem6423 MOA is a circle. There is no other geometry other than a circle when talking about group size, that's how it is measured, all in circles. If you have a 1 MOA group at 100 yards, it's 1" from center of one shot to center of the furthest away shot within a circle. You don't have a trapezoid group size. The group may look like a trapezoid, but the group size will always be a circle. If you have a gun that shoots consistently high or low then it needs to be re-zeroed. No rifle should ever be shooting high or low of aim point if it has been zeroed properly and you have trued your ballistic data at range. I'm not saying it is rocket science and I do understand how it all works. I just don't want less experienced people watching this to be concerned that a sub 1 MOA gun is going to miss a deer vitals at 400 yards, which the video makes out to be.
I've hunted elk for 50+ years. Best elk rifle is the Kimber mountain ascent .308 with a good scope. If this isn't enough rifle then you need to improve your skills.
I have the savage and the kimber The kimber is a nicer gun. The savage is good except for the bold carrier. Mad play= bad tolerances. Feels like sand when you run the bolt. For the trigger pull on the kimber I disagree with them= it’s very crisp
Fierce Edge 7mm Rem and Kimber 280AI are both tied in my book in terms of rifle actions and bullets up to Elk at longer ranges! I would not let the Kimbers group size be a factor not if cold bore shots are great and 2nd follow up is under MOA.
Yep me too. When the acorn president was elected I bought enough components to last the rest of my life for some of my firearms and 30-06 was one of them. It's a no brainer.
@@shaneallen415 do you think I could take an elk with a 6.5 I know you obvious can but how ethical would it be ...... I have the t3x lite with a bunch of aftermarket dumped into it it’s accurate as hell just don’t know if the power would be enough
Honest to God you blokes are better than 99% percent of the RU-vid gun community love your videos and can't wait to see the channel grow love the work boys keep it up👍
I realize I’m a year late, but as I have a 110 Ultralight, I agree with the contention that you’ve missed the point by putting that scope on that rifle. I put a 3-15x scope that weighs 13 ounces on mine. Fully loaded with scope, mount, rings and sling mine is well under 7 lbs.
Fierce 7mm Rem Mag, excellent variety in bullets, hits like a train, ballistics are amazing. Can easily go out to 600,700,800 yards. Fierce gun is incredibly accurate, excellent barrel, Can’t go past it. It be my choice.
30-06. However since you can’t find ammo for some reason. 35 Whelen is my pick. I’ve taken elk at 400 yards with no prob. It’s an amazing round and amazing versatility.
@@frankkee7185 they are real thumpers. But you can down load the ammo and take smaller game with out blowing them up and max load them for griz and drop them in one shot. My buddy makes the hand loads for me. When we go hunting I’ve normally got my 1911 in 460 Rowland and then my Rem 700 in 35 whelen with loads for light game and big game.
Most people don’t use a range finder and are terrible at judging distance by eye, so I’m sure the guy who told you that actually shoots much under 400 on average
I would pick the savage 110 but chamber in 6.5cm or .300 win mag(personally). I’m also a little surprised that the Springfield waypoint didn’t make this list as I believe that rifle may have given all the others a serious run. Would be interested to see you guys do a review of the waypoint, at some point in the future. But out of these 4, I would go savage in 6.5cm or 300 wm. And maybe lighten up the scope to a 3x18(ish) size and I think you would have a clear winner in terms of weight and accuracy.
The FIERCE 7 Mag is my choice. They guarantee 1/2 MOA, which is impressive. 2nd, the 7 Mag will putm' down. The quality of the Fierce Rifle is unsurpassed.
Everyone loves their 7mm mag. but in my long life I have seen more elk walk away after being shot with a 7mm mag. than any other rifle. As far as I can tell the high velocity of the bullet and the fact you can't get heavy bullets creates shallow wounds. Hopefully some of the newer bullets will hold together better than the ones I've seen in the past.
Of those choices. I think I would take the Fierce. That might be a bit biased because the 7mm Rem Mag is my choice for 400 + distance. I have not shot a game animal beyond a jack rabbit at that range, but I have spend a bit of time long range shooting. Good Luck on the trip to Idaho!
I have been hunting with a kimber subalpine for years now and its a great rifle the 280 ackley is my personal favorite cartridge and i would really like to see you guys hunt with it.
Last Elk I took was with a M48 Liberty- 28 Nosler w a 165gr soft point from 675yds. Went no more than 5 yards after the shot. Love that gun. Scope is a Leupold VX5 HD 3-15.
trying to decide on a long range rifle myself. I'm currently leaning towards the Browning Max LR in 270 Win for ammo availability in my area in general, but the ability to stabilize high bc bullets in reloads for longer range.
Scope is just as important as the rifle. Fierce Fury 7 mag w/ the Leupold VX-6HD 3.5-18x is a quality set-up. You don’t need 1st focal plane for that hunt, with that rifle. That scope has a huge eyebox which really helps find your target in multiple shooting positions.
@@backfire Jim I’m trying to purchase a savage 110 ultralite in 270 with the camo stock can you please give me the part number everyone I talk to say the rifle is no available with the camo stock Thank you 🙏
Bottoming out at 3.5x for hunting is important. I like 2 or 3x better, with 4x being tolerable. I wouldn’t want anything higher than 4x on the bottom end.
The scope is not as important as the firearm. For this very reason I will never buy another rifle that doesn't have open sights. An 18 power scope is way overkill.
Savage 110 ultralite is an awesome gun, got one in 28 nos for 1k after a rebate. Would probably switch the scope out for a 4-16 or that 3.5-18 though to save weight.
Yup, Savage 110/270 If you're calling Elk you can get them to come in pretty close ( Example, Bow hunters ) If you have a Range finder you can get within 300/350 yards and put a quality bullet ( Accubond/Partition/Barnes ) through the lungs... Although the 30-06 would have been my first choice if you had ammo...
@@robertboyd3863 Yup, They may have to spot & stalk early morning, late evening. My favorite method. Find a good vantage point overlooking quality habitat and be there at first light..
Savage for me too. 130g CX or 140g accubond and I'd be comfortable our to 500. It's more the bullet that kills, not just related to KE. Accuracy is the key. The 130g CX is a very tough bullet too. It'll drive deep for sure. 1800 FPS out to 600 is plenty to cause penetration and bullet performance.
My Vote - Savage 110 Ultralight. 270 Win at 150gr Hornady Interbond, / Nosler Accubond @ 2800fps muzzle = 1,500lbs energy @ 500yds with low recoil. Optics: Leupold 3-9x40 or a VX6 2-12x42mm CDS. 9x or 12x magnification is plenty for big game. Elk are big animals. You would have to see how those 150gr pills group. My 270 Win loves them.
