The Ultimate Showdown: Blender vs Cinema 4D 

AWESOME tip thank you!

can you share the link?

@@danieljoda ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LKxMadV_2ew.html

@@danieljoda I can't quietly recall, but I think when you install it for the first time, it askes you some starting UI options and settings.

@@danialsoozani thank you!

100% agree!!! I try to be as tool agnostic as possible (sometimes it's impossible, i understand)...but it will help you learn the concepts as opposed to just the buttons in the tools. Then switching will be much easier (because it's inevitable that you will be switching sometime in your career...so might as well prepare for it)! I learned on C4D years ago...and I found learning Blender fairly simple. Now I'm way better in Blender than I ever was in C4D.

except if u only learned blender

you the man!

@@BobSmith-pn5mo he is 😁

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You are really great at motion design in blender, i have followed along your smartphone ad tutorial. it came out really well, when i was learning blender. Thank btw.

Middle click to switch between 1 and 4 views in C4D

man thank you so much

WHAAAT thank you!!

Wow thanks for that 😁

Ive been a cinema user for longer than i can remember. Ive recently taken on blender. There are just so many features and ways to do things and rendering in blender once you understand how it works is pretty awesome. There are things that i love about cinema and switching has quite a curve to it.

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Cinema has redshift included nowadays

blender is definitely not more powerful but it is good

I spent £3k on C4D 10 years ago. After a year it was out of date and I needed to pay £900 for the upgrade. 😂. Blender wasn’t great at that time, but these days… I’d go with Blender.

In Blender you can save all assets to the project by packing external data in the File menu. I’d agree Cinema is quicker out the box however once you build your Geo Node setup in Blender you can then save that Node Tree and all you have to do is change the object it’s affecting with the added benefit of being able to customise it or add to it depending on the setup.

@@apzzpa Yeah sure geonodes is really flexible. Regarding the packing project, have you tried C4D's team render? Once you set up the team render for the first time, you can just start team rendering right away, never think about packing and distributing projects again

@@maotao2441 I haven't tried Cinema yet and I'm certainly not a "Blender or die". I was just providing solutions to some of the points covered. Team render does sound a lot more streamlined however. At some point I will get C4D but have recently started learning Houdini and the combo between Blender and Houdini is very cool especially since as Octane for Blender is free.

@@apzzpa Wow that's amazing, I didn't know Octane for Blender is free! I will try it now, haha, thanks

@@maotao2441 Yeah it blew my mind too when I found out. It under Free Trial and is called Prime Tier

Yes, The best thing about blender is the community

XP is coming to blender this year - so that also could change

I wouldn't call Blender shallow. Some of it's features like the physics sims are lacking and the video editing tool I believe is never used - although useful for sequencing png sequences. It's modelling, sculpting, rigging, animation, shading tools are powerful and can produce production quality results as seen in the video. This of course is not mentioning Geometry Nodes which hands down is what gives Blender an edge over Cinema. Whilst Mograph in Cinema is easier to use out of the box, you can build the same tools in Geo Nodes and then save those Node Trees to be used for any project. The beauty being that it is fully procedural and can switch any object out you wish to affect to whatever you wish, whilst also being able to customise the whole setup. A few people are saying you need add-ons to make it work but I am not sure what add-ons they are referring to. The pre-installed add-ons like Node Wrangler or Landscapes are there. BlenderKit and Polyhaven are amazing for being able to download in the app and apply without leaving Blender. Vanilla Blender has everything you need as far as I am aware when it comes to creating production quality work. Look at Albin Merle, Midge Sinnaeve or Atti. They produce incredible results within Blender, which more on the technical side however I feel like Blender forces you to learn the technicalities of 3D a lot more than Cinema which in my case has made Houdini not to much of a struggle to get to grips with and I am sure will make Cinema feel like a breeze. I think you're better of learning Blender for this reason as if you need to learn C4D it will make the process very smooth and you're paying out hundreds of dollars each year to learn.

@@dannybcreative You argued that Blender was shallow and the ops counter was that you can make production grade renders with Blender. Pointing out that you can do the same work with less features is an indicator that the tools given are at least decent in ability and complexity of use. Plugin's have always been a big boon and studios regularly have their own made. The advantage of blender is you can add them and keep them forever for a cost that is likely less than a year or two of your favorite program. The fact that you have to cycle through at least 2 to 3 programs alone is resource intensive. No wonder concept art is being done quite a bit with blender and mass numbers of smaller studios are using it. Geometry nodes is king in blender and is easily migratable to other projects. Blender won't be competitive in particle sims, but who is honestly beating Houdini? The most you can do is take cuts like EmberGen might.

But yeah, the devs should really hone it's base more.

@@dannybcreative Wrong person tagged, i meant the original poster

Ditto. I used C4D in 2003-2008 for mograph and character animation and have major FOMO 😂.

U are old bat

Every app has it's strengths & weaknesses for sure! So many artists use multiple apps these days

I've been making better 3D work in AI now and much faster. I wouldn't go back to modelling ever again.

@brandmotivo what's your go to AI tool that replaced modeling?

@@nathitappan Stable Diffusion, I've used most structures but SD outpaces the rest without a doubt.

I agree. My whole life has been spent "chasing" the best 3D software. I started using UNIX Code back when everything had to be coded - what a nightmare. I wanted to learn 3D so badly I spent my after hours time learning to code. When the Mac came onto the scene I became a beta site for Infini-D then I bought/learned Electric Image (still a capable software). After that I switched to Lightwave, now I use C4D. The thought of learning yet another 3D program at this point in my career is not something I look forward to but I have to say, free vs. $700+ / yr. is really appealing. I'm probably working at the last job in video production before I retire. The company pays for the software which is the only reason I still use it. I'm not in a position to pay for it (especially in this current financial climate). Maybe when I retire I'll play with Blender or maybe I'll just grow vegetables.

Polygons are polygons, lights are lights, cameras are cameras, keyframes are keyframes!

Totally agree!

It has a different system with the same purpose. It’s called „view layers“

I totally agree! Only thing that I miss the most in Blender is complex simulations, geonodes are a great start, but the simplicity and beauty of the mograph in C4D is something that is hard to compete with.

I use both B3D, Maya and C4D while also trying to learn Houdini lately, I find that yes it is kinda complex to learn the geo nodes for a simple task, but after I tried to build my own special nodes then save it as an asset preset it became something like a special sauce, like if you try to replicate some of the modifiers in b3d or C4D within geo nodes, it turns into a monster modifiers that you're the only person have.

Yeah most of my work is motion graphics. Mograph and the deformers are a must to me.

Glad it was helpful!

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use luxcore for caustics, its amezing for caustics

Simulations and c4d doesn't go in the same sentence. I think you're talking about the mograph system? And cycles has caustics, both brute force and also new modern shadow caustics.

@@rano12321 Yeah the mograph system is great, and you can do some small simulations on C4D just fine, like cloth, soft cloth simulations, or course if you want anything more robust it's best to use Houdini. But I'm no expert, I'm only talking about my experiences using both software, and I think some simulations on C4D are way better than blender's out of the box systems.

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Yo! You could give me half your wealth and still be richer than Bezos😂

If I had a dollar for how often C4D users talk about C4d, then I still wouldn't be able to afford it 😂

And then you could afford Blender! 😜

@@RayBanda LOL 😂😂😂

@@RayBanda Hahaha

She's the love of my life.. but I think ill cheat on her with C4D

"Cinema 4d as they have deadlines to meet and can't waste time with lots of plugins that blender needs" as if C4D isn't basically reliant on a bunch of plugins already, not to mention they cost like 10 times more than all the Blender plugins.

Have you got a specific example? I’m perplexed at the viewpoint, being that Blender now has geometry and simulation using a node based system. Flexibility of the out of the box tools has become one of the main strengths.

what plugins do you need for Blender?

@@dannybcreative If you’re talking about Mograph to Geo Nodes, in Geo Nodes you can save your Node Tree and then switch out the object for the project. It’s fully procedural and more like Houdini than C4D in this instance. It also allows more control and flexibility

@@dannybcreative I do agree the physics sims are very slow and temperamental. Any time I need to bake a physics sim Blender will first need to crash and be reopened before it can bake. I haven't used C4D yet but have started using Houdini and it's night and day between the sims.

It's most toxic, violent and intolerant community. I say it as Blender user which are a lot on Blender forums. Of course, there are many good people, but loud part of XXER#!@!! make Blender community awkward.

@@radoman1234 probably the usual for every community lol

@@wallacesousuke1433 I don't say that in other communities aren't "toxic".... But Blender fanboys are..... on next level. So, no, there is no comparison to other communities. Sad, but true.

@@radoman1234 what's so bad about its community compared to other growing, sizeable communities? That's just how most online communities are

@@wallacesousuke1433 No. Are you on Blender Artist, for example? Nope, you can't compare this amount of hate, "xenophobia", selfishness, etc. with C4D, Houdini, Zbrush, Modo community. Couple times I visit Max / Maya forums... but they mostly s#iting on Autodesk. So, as someone who use Blender, I'm really.... are offended with such behavior... including mods which encourage such toxic s#it. However, you are free to think whatever you want. Heh, Blender users... typical. bye

check out Midge Sinnaeve. He has a yt channel but also a very cool course called Real Time Motion Graphics that really goes deep on the Modifers in Blender and how to achieve amazing results with them

For the octane part, its even free on blender for one GPU, however c4d Is unmarcheable for mograph, but blender is getting so good, with the new houdini-like approach they're taking, its just becoming too powerful, i switched from c4d a out 3 years ago, and currently Is just amazing, i just wish they could make mograph tools like the ones c4d have

Lol the virus? I think you're just referring to younger artists that don't have the cash to fork over for a solid program. I'm not hating on C4D by any means, it was my first and still is my primary software but Blender keeps jumping leaps and bounds all while not being locked away behind a paywall. Maxon feels more and more like Adobe, enjoying their sweet monthly subscription income without a good return on users upgrades. Redshift took forever to be implemented into the base program and the GPU version was still locked behind a paywall. Blender has been doing sims for over a decade and C4D finally added smoke and fire. The main issues with character, rigging, sculpting, and uv mapping has been in need of a good overhaul since I first started and it still doesn't feel like they've done much with it. C4D does deserve some of the hate it gets. Not all, but some yes.

@@theendlessdaydream6442 Hate is a very wrong emotion to nourish. It's what makes the current times what they are. Looking on the positive side, Cinema 4D does get good updates. The community behind it is also very creative. The blender community is acting like a mob and the mentality behind everything is free is understandable but not the right way if that means attacking C4D for being what it is, especially since this backfires into hate vs. Cinema and causes users of the software to not be considered "legit". And as I have been teaching Gen Z since the last 4-5 years, I can see this in action with more of them resisting and pushing for a "Blender only" logic. After a while you start to develop an imposter syndrome for not being included in the Blender woke gang, since the new generations start to call you, not as legit as them, since they know "Blender" >_>) I really can't support Blender that way. You will never see a true committed user of Cinema hate on Blender, but you will always see Blender users hating on Cinema for being what it is. As for me I prefer the workflow in Cinema 4D. I do see the lack of polish in some tools, but I think good years are ahead of the software. If you run it on academic license it's very cheap, meaning if you have an education mail. I also push students to go for it as it gives them the full Maxon One package for literally 0 USD while giving a great set of tools alongside it. For instance, Redshift is on a path to become native, and will probably merge with Cinema thus leading the Standard and Physical renderer to be deprecated. I except they will launch new Cel Shading/ Sketch & Toon updates in the near future and they will probably do that in a pretty major update. My guess is 2025 for a big overhaul, which will probably include a swap into a smoothing groups workflow vs the phong tag in the future. They are still rolling out Zbrush tools so they have a lot for show for in the modeling and sculpting department, so I am not at all worried, since this makes a lot of futureproof stuff their IP. The problem is like you said if they completely become like Adobe which I think they won't. The big negative is if tools like Blender eat away the entire ecosystem of potential users and if Cinema becomes obsolete, then I'm afraid that they could sell the entire package to Adobe for a multi-billion dollar deal and then everyone would be in a bad position. The big positive side to Blender however is that it will push Cinema to become cheaper on the long run. And I expect they will roll out licenses like the educational pack on a much cheaper subscription basis thus regaining some traction in the future.

If anyone is a hater it is you friend. What a nonsense comment. Have you thought that Gen Zers cannot afford C4D and use Blender because it is free but your thoughts are shallow so I guess you can not think further than your own nose.

@@knmbsst Learn Geo Nodes. You will have the same tools. Crossmind's Geometry Nodes course is a great introduction. C-Bailey covers how to recreate some of the more basic tools in Geo Nodes. You also have Animation Nodes and there is a chap who made an addon called JMograph which is basically all of Cinema's Mograph tools made in Geo nodes.

yep, my school change to blender too before that we use maya but autodesk such a bully.. they revoke our school licence after that no way we go back to maya. Welcome to open source world.

job wise, does c4d outweigh blender as said in the video in your experience?

I am a hobbyist and don't make money I want to do it for fun or perhaps for my channel, so is blender good for me?

absolutely. one-click importing the c4d camera in AE is super usefull! HOWEVER: Maxon really needs to enable redshift rendering in AE too. Cineware is just too slow nowadays.

in blender you do not need to turn into ae because there is compositing solution with all color grading

@@Nursultan-r2d2 can u do rotoscoping in belnder ?

@@doityourselfpakistan6535 otherwise you grab mp4 from blender and who forbids to make rotoscop with mp4 sequence

@@Nursultan-r2d2 so why not without render u do it in after effects…

Gotta make it clear you know...