That's a good question. I have heard multiple people in RU-vid comment section say that the reason Jon Snow doesn't have any Targaryen features is b/c The Stark genes are more dominant. (i.e. Dark hair, brown or black eyes, etc.) It was said that Jon Snow has more Stark like features than a lot of his siblings. I think that's why.
Creepy Closet There have been many Targaryens who were born with dark hair and non-purple eyes. Prince Baelor "Breakspear" Targaryen and Prince Duncan Targaryen both had dark hair attributed to their mothers. Prince Rhaegar's eldest child, Princess Rhaenys also took after her mother Pruncess Elia Martell. Jon's mostly Stark features is probably due to the very strong "First Men" blood in his ancestry. Remember, Prince Rhaegar himself was technically "Half-Blackwood" due to his parents and grandparents beings siblings, all descended from King Aegon V Targaryen and his wife, Queen Betha Blackwood.
ishidacoolp Well like his siblings especially Robb and Sansa have way more Tully features, that being reddish brown hair and The Starks having longer faces and darker hair as seen with Jon and uncle Benjen
Falcon2908 whycreate I subscribe to this theory that both the Dayne's and the Hightower's are descended from second sons or bastards from noble families of the Dawn Empire...
jon snow also can withstand more heat than others when he took the hot lamp and used it to kill the wight, someone else, would've dropped it from the heat but jon was able to hold on to it long enough and was able to think long enough to throw it at the wight. plus his beauty is often mentioned
He held the lantern for like two seconds and burned his hand real fast in the process plus Jon is pretty by Northern standers, however he dosen't posses the strking beauty of the Targaryens.
There is another house in Westeros in the crownlands that have the same features as the targaryens. House Velaryon is also other house that came from Valyria, as well as House Celtigar.
@@Binks129 the blonde hair comes from being Stony Dornishmen, having more kinship with the Reach and Stormlands than the Sandt Dornishmen, who resemble the Rhoynar more. As for the eyes only Ashara is said to have purple eyes (Arthur did not), and she is described in a rather exotic manner, hinting at some unusual ancestry. She is not Valyrian like Daenerys is, but the Dornish tend to have relations with people of the Free Cities (like Doran and Oberyn) so perhaps the blood came from there. Arianne Martell herself is half Norvosi, and the nobles of the Free Cities likely have Valyrian blood.
The show creators never made up Daenerys's immunity to heat and fire. She survived the funeral pyre when she burned Khal Drogo's body. The only thing the show creators made up is that the hair is untouched. In the books, her hair is burnt away.
She is not inmune to fire, she is only tolerant to it. She only survived the funeral pyre because there was a blood sacrifice, george rr martin even said that she is not fire proof, that daenerys dragons birth was an unique and magical event... In the books, she can burn and be killed by fire, so you are wrong, the tv producers DID make her inmune to fire
Thanks for informing me on this but it was done in a very aggressive way so I can't thank you too much on it. Admittedly, I have only read the first book as it was a bit of a drag to read through the first time since it was mostly just character introduction ( a family member of mine warned me of this so that made it easier to stick with ) and I have two other books I would like to get through first before I move on to the second book. However, in the future, you could possibly be less aggressive to those who either misunderstood information, don't have information or haven't read all of the books. It's unnecessary and rude. Also, it's spelled immune.
Chelsie Sorry, it wasn't mean to be aggresive or rude, i'll try to don't be that the next time :v Also i didn't know how to spell immune because english isn't my first language.
Actually, in the books is really clear that Dany is not immune to fire, because Drogon's breath burned her face and on her last chapter, it's said that her hands are burned. (Because she rode drogon)
Jada Farmer That's possible, but I think it's more likely that they just cut him out entirely like they did with quite a few other people (such as Lady Stonehart, or the kingsguard that went to Dorne who's name I forget) or they might just be changing him out for another person that we have yet to see (Like Coldhands in the books for zombie Benjen Stark in the show).
@@SuperStro509 Yeah it's not a very reliable thing. It seems to be working for at least Daenerys so far though. I suppose there's a bit oft truth in it, as it is in most rumours. Probably they are just very resistent.
Inbreeding usually weakens the gene pools immunity because you’re have very similar MHC (major histocompatibility complexes) which lessens the diversity of pathogens a person can defend against. But I can see this being true IF the magic they used gave them greater immunity, rather than inbreeding.
Also, house Celtigar of Claw Isle comes from Valyria, they came along with Targaryens to Westeros, and they do have blood of Old Valyria in them.. Although, it is not said if they do have features of Valyria like white hair and purple eyes. Only houses Targaryen and Velaryon are known for these.
I know Dany said she can't have babies but because Jon has Targaryen blood and Dany has Targaryen blood, if they were to have a child would that child have the magic trait?
Daenerys' immunity to fire is not something the show's creators "just made up". Her being burned and coming away unharmed has happened twice already in the books. Once when the she walks into Khal Drogo's funeral pyre naked with the three dragon eggs, and emerges after the pyre burns itself out with 3 dragon babies suckling at her breast. And once when the dragon Drogon returns to the Meereen fighting pit and Daenerys tries to reign him in, only to be blasted by dragonfire to the delight of the Meereen masters. The dragonfire burned off her clothes and singed her hair but she was otherwise unscathed. She then mounted Drogon nude and flew away to the Dothraki sea. "The Blood of the Dragon" was a spell cast on the Targaryen bloodline in ancient Valeria. It was obviously a form of blood magic, one that Daenerys stumbled upon and reactivated when she essentially sacrificed the witch that had betrayed her and hatched the dragon eggs on Drogo's pyre. An attribute made dormant after the Targaryens lost their magic and their dragons. Martin is referring to the rest of the family before Daenerys "gave birth" to her brood. Perhaps even suggests it's limited to her because she's the only one who has performed the ritual for it in centuries.
Hi just wanted to clarify that in the first book Danearys is immune to fire "the unburnt" the one difference with the show is that in the book her hair is burnt as well but none of her skin.
Since i see this often: targaryens aren't supposed to be albinos, their traits are just valyrian; in fact there's actually an albino targaryen, bloodraven. Also real world genetics doesn't really apply to them (shocker i know) cause inbreeding doesn't affect them: they don't look like the habsburgs, their beauty is described as other-wordly and "targaryen madness" is just anti-targaryen propaganda (maesters hate magic and by extension this whole family); you can count actually mad targaryens on one hand and even then there is a distinction between real mental illness and just being cruel/weird etc. You could argue that even their greatness could be viewed as madness, as no one had ever dared conquer all of the seven kingdoms.
Would also like to add that jon being a dark-haired, dark-eyed targaryen is perfectly normal: when there is a non-valyrian parent, children may or may not show valyrian features. Take aemon and jocelyn's daughter, rhaenys: her mother was a baratheon and she had purple eyes and black hair; aegon v married betha blackwood and had duncan (dark hair and dark eyes), jaehaerys ii, rhaelle, daeron and shaera (silver hair and purple eyes).
Targaryens were one of the lesser houses of Old Valyria, that much is canon. Also, I think every Family of Valyria had dragons, so they had the magic too, right? So here are two (opposing, I must admit) theories about the mental state of Valyrians. Either, they were all mad bunkers; the more powerful, the more magic there was, the madder they were. We know Dragonriders are tied to their dragon by swapping a piece of their soul. So they become part dragon and although it is stated several times how clever a dragon is, swapping souls just isn't healthy. Breaking away a piece of your soul, like a horcrux, leaves you as a little bit less of what you were before. Instead you now got dragon soul. And those beasts know how powerful they are. Dragon souls are just too different to not damage their riders mental health/personality. Maybe the more powerful houses with more magic exchanged a bigger part of their souls. Valyria could have been full of Aerys II... Or: The power/magic actually prevented this madness which pretty surely stems from inbreeding. This would mean that the more powerful lords of Valyria must have been very sane and would have been an even more terrifying force to be reckoned with. Aegon was brilliant but lets face it, his descendants weren't as much. They made the best out of the situation (Jaehaerys I, Baelor I, Daeron II), if at all (re. Maegor, Aegon IV, Aerys II, ...). When a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin. But what is a god to half-gods with dragons?
Lucretia There were many Valyrian families but only 40 of those families had dragons. It’s why House Velaryon and Celtigars are Valyrian houses but never had dragons. The Targs were one of those 40 families, they just weren’t the most powerful of the 40 families. So I wouldn’t say there were irrelevant in Valyria. I don’t know where you got that bit about swapping souls with their dragons from. I’ve never heard that or read that anywhere. I do however think that magic kept the Valyrians from going insane, as it just isn’t realistic for a bunch of insane people to build and maintain the most advanced civilization to ever exist. The whole “all Targs are mad” thing isn’t really true. Out of the whole bloodline(since the conquest at least) only about 5 or 6 have gone mad. Considering the time period, I’m willing to bet a fair few of the other houses had “mad” ancestors as well. It’s just since their mad ancestors weren’t sitting on the throne, they could only do so much. I do find myself wondering a lot how the Targs didn’t pass down knowledge of magic. They left a good while before the doom, and took the dragons so I’m a little confused as to why they didn’t keep magic. Though it is said that Visenya dabbled in sorcery, Shiera Seastar did magic, and so did Brynden Rivers, so I wonder why no one else was taught.
@@modernamami5861 Re the soul swapping: my bad, I thought I read it in Fire & Blood but I didn't found it again so I must assume its just a fan theory. The Targaryens weren't irrelevant to Valyria, yes, but compared to the other Dragon Lords, they were. Indeed, other families got their fair share of mad members but how many of them? I understand, that the fact that they have been the royal house pushed their mad or not so mad traits more into focus. And we don't have other Valyrian families to compare with, at least none who practised sibling marriage. There is no proof about the Dragon Blood preventing madness because there is no comparison "group". As you stated, it is very likely the magic kept them from going insane and there was a lot of magic in Valyria. However, there was a lot less in Westerns, despite the Targaryens being magic themselves and having dragons. I guess there was just nothing to "refill" and so Visenya's skills stayed rumours. Pityful compared to Old Valyria. When Valyria fell, the original "receptacle" for magic, which probably multiplied its effect, vanished and magic started to fade out. It took a really long time though. Before the Conquest they lived for 7 Generations on Dragonstone and after that, apart from Health issues (most of them surviving battles/sickness died in their 50s) majority of them did just fine (at least until 147 AC, thats when the Fire & Blood I ends). Out of the 51 members talked about in the book, only 2 can be called mad: Maegor and Rhaenyra. And the last one had been subjected to betrayal several times and turned paranoid. However, after 150 AC records of mad Targaryens start to accumulate, kings/queens or not. 20 minutes of search showed me more than 6 Targaryens gone mad, all born in a span of 40 years. The last dragon died sometime between 147 and 157. So no, not all Targaryens went mad but they started to after the Dragons deaths. As for the magic, I will go with what Pyat Preemptively said in the House of the Undying: with dragons back, so is magic. Meaning subsequently that without dragons there is no or only very little magic in the world. That and the Doom of Valyria destroying knowledge (I doubt Aerion brought a whole library about magic with him) it explains why it hasn't been passed down. Otherwise the Fall of the Dragons might have been prevented, just as their slow descend into madness.
How come Viserys lacks the high heat tolerance of a Targaryen while he is one. Perhaps, not all Targaryens were born with the same level of heat tolerance and the gods also flip coins on level of heat tolerance when a Targaryen is born, not just madness (Except I think it should be a dice rather than a coin). So I think the gods rolled a 6 on Dany and rolled only a 1 on Viserys and Targaryens before them got a different number.
1 means you have pretty much the same heat tolerance of an ordinary person and 6 means you almost immune to fire but of course not totally if you remember what did burn during the Doom of Valyeria.
Dany isn't immune to fire in the books. The reason she survived the birth of her dragons was because of it being a magical event that involved blood magic. Dany is told to like hot baths, but she has been burned before in the books. Viserys is the same, Dany would have been killed just as quick if molten gold was thrown over her head.
No mention of the Velaryons? Being a valyrian family in Westeros and all... (there's the Celtigars but we know little of them and none about their looks?
The video is specifically about the Targaryens. The Velaryons have married into their family quite often but don't share many of their traits- notably no incest, few dragonriders and marrying outside the extended family.
many of these traits are also shared with house velaryon with itself has strong connections with house targaryan they being another house with valarian descent
Lilah Bellamy If Young Griff is Daario, that would actually explain the natural attraction to each other...just like Jon Snow (Aygon Targaryen) to Daenerys.
The show creators didn't really make up Danaerys' immunity to fire. She survived Drogo's funeral pyre unscathed in the book as well, except for her hair being burnt off. Her magic is strong, so it makes sense that she would be immune to fire where Viserys was not.
Christine Ramsey Actually, in the books is really clear that Dany is not immune to fire, because Drogon's breath burned her face and on her last chapter, it's said that her hands are burned. (Because she rode drogon)
heat tolerance is EXTREMELY rare in targaryen's, not a common targaryen trait -.- their control of dragons is untrue also, there were tons of Targaryen's who couldnt tame their dragon, died doing so think of all the targaryens who the king said " who ever can tame it, can have it! "
All Targaryens(including bastards) have the potential to ride a dragon. This does not mean however, that a dragon will automatically bond with every dragonrider; they can be tamed but not domesticated. I'm not sure but, I bet there have been Targaryens who never bonded with dragons when they were still around.
essentially, it was common to place an egg of a dragon in a targaryens’s cradle and if it hatched, that dragon and the child would be bonded. if it didn’t hatch or there wasn’t one placed, they could attempt to bond/ride either a younger, newer hatchling or even a full grown dragon, (as long as the dragon’s previous rider is dead). if you read fire and blood, you’ll see this with Balerion, who was ridden by Aegon and after his death, by Maegor, and so forth.
But not as much.... So silly and not realistic at all....yes there was crazy ppl and ppl who died cos of inbreeding ...but 95 % looks ok😑if it was realistic they should have been more like that family ive seen clips of from RU-vid...They live in Appalachia ( i think its spelled that way) mountains something...or the Habsburgs...And i Think almost Every person on the planet has some kind of inbreed relatives far away... but this is just not realistic, but on the other hand its a story in a made up world with dragons and "ice zombies".
I'm just wondering, do you need pure targaryen blood to be immune to fire or does only one parent need to be a targaryen. I know viserys wasn't immune to fire so is it just random?
None of them are immune, Aegon V in fact burned to death and his uncle Aerion drank wildfire and was roasted alive. Daenerys is immune because of the magic the dragon hatching gave her, plus complications from the blood magic cast on her and Khal Drogo by Mirri Maz Dhaur. Even then, her hair and clothes are burned off by Drogon in the pit, and she is visibly injured.
Madness is not UNIQUE trait of the Targaryens. Some may be cruel, arrogant, bad rulers, hard to deal with but only a few were actually MAD and the madness was often outer interferences like Aerys had constant paranoia people around him outperformed him, Varys constantly whispering in his ears about enemies, spies, traitors. Every family line have people like this. So its not a unique trait linked to their Targaryen blood.
Volantis or Valyria, seem like if they birth dragons and the fire along w the volcanic smoke activity possibly keeps the sky dark and the atmosphere exceedingly warm, perhaps.. that would help the Targaryens pale skin color make a might of sense
Daemon Targaryen in House of Dragons has high immunity to fire. There’s a scene in Ep6 where he and his second wife Laena (from the sea faring house Valeryan) are joy-riding their dragons together and Laena’s dragon Vhagar blows a stream of fire 🔥while Daemon flies through it with ease. I thought that was a brilliant way to show, not tell, Daemon’s greater pure blood Targaryen traits of being fireproof AND a dragonrider where as Laena Valeryen’s “old Valyria 🩸” is a it more watered way since she half hails from a family who didn’t ride dragons (House Valyria, an even lesser house than Targaryen in ancient Valyria).
In the show, yes, but that's because Emilia Clarke's eyes were super sensitive and she was in pain from the contacts. In the books, she has violet purple eyes
The eyes are a bit wrong velaryons (bannermen of targaryen) had similair traits as targs. The pale skin, purple eyes & hair. Main difference is velaryons had more silver to white hair. Not white to platinum blond. Velaryons are valaryins like the targs. They even came to westeros before the targs and aet up trade on driftmark.
Yeah that was more of a one time thing that happened during perfect circumstances. There was a whole bunch of magic shit going on there that saved her. But yeah normally that wouldn’t happen, Targs have shown they are 100% not fire proof, main examples being Summerhall and the Dance of the Dragons lmao
Were they meant to be albinos? Or just have very similar traits? Because pale skin, hair, and the purple eyes and strong tolerance to pain all sound about right. Maybe the first Targaryen was a person with albinism and through magic of the Assi sorcerers they healed the child but left the physical traits extremely heritable.
Wonder why Jon didnt have any Targaryen feautures in the show. There are many half Targaryen/Valyrian with Targaryen features such as Aegor Rivers, Shiera Seastar, Addam Velaryon (was a bastard of House Velaryon but he was legitimised after taming a dragon), Rhaenys Targaryen and Aegon II/Aemond/Daeron Targaryen (who were half Targaryen half Hightower). There were also Aegon V and his brothers who were half Targaryen but they had Targaryen features
It doesn’t seem like it, but maybe? I have a feeling it’s not and it’s more of a Valyrian only ability like how Greenseeing, warging, etc. is pretty much exclusive to First Men.
