the weird inner workings of random crits - a comprehensive explanation 

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It is just an amazing video, as always ! Keep up the wonderful work, bud

Thank you shounic for explaining why does the Medic Uber saw have a 100% crit chance

One thing that may assist is a segment near the start like "there are several different checks for damage in the process, each one with different criteria for what counts and what doesn't" as a heads-up that there will be several similar-sounding but mechanically distinct steps ahead. Then maybe a graphic showing the three "how much damage have you done" checks that we can gray out until we reach them.

@@hellcatanalian but he actually did not, the medigun doesn't builds up crit chance, which is the thing that most people tought it was the reason for the abnormally high crit chance of the ubersaw, so now there is a weird mistery revolving those damned random crits

The spaghetti code is a sacred thing, one must not question how it works since it is too hard for us to understand it

@@mysitcowl4574 we are normal people, but gaben and shounic are higher beings that can understand the ancient code of the tf2 files , and thus they are our only hope

yeah that line kinda pissed me off. i'm watching this to learn, not to be told i already know something.

@@LieseFury you're the original starwalker

I would expect to work as: > Initial damage (that will trigger bleed/burn) can be crit boosted, but rest of remaining damage caused by the status effect cannot be boosted by Crit. > Status Effects can be boosted by Mini Crits tho. As is as far my knowledge goes.

*"i fired a random crit, or did I? Ey valvesauce first thing first let's count to ?. Come on now just follow my lead 1, 2 .... ? There are optical illusions, audio illusions, temperature sensation illusions, even tactile illusions but the number ? seems to be the most illusive of all. Our brains never needed to develop an understanding of the number ? It's pretty freaky and cool and a little humbling, because it shows the limits of the accuracy of our calculations and a wall we will never ever surmount no matter how many 9 years of development pass."

I was just about to say that

Lmao

Hello, vsauce! shounic here!

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From what I've heard, the Medic's recent damage modifier (that first 1-4x) is always maxed, which is why the Ubersaw crits so often - most medics use the ubersaw, and many use it as often as possible, so that 60% chance happens a lot

I'd still say that medic crits are some hot garbage - you shouldn't lose a fight because you successfully flanked or caught out a support class and then get punished for stepping in melee range

@@calebwirt2703 Why not? The medic should still have a way to win? Otherwise people wouldn't want to play the support role because you basically get screwed by your team.

@@zera1266 Have you played uncletopia? No random crits and I can promise you there's always a medic, unlike pubs

@@zera1266 Because the Medic is strictly a support class and should *NOT* have an instant get out of jail free card. Medic already controls the entire flow of the game with his invaluable Übercharges and healing. A pocket 195 is complete bullshit no matter what way you twist it.

It contains the dying wish of every man here.

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dear god

No...

Bread.

fuck robin walker for adding them to the game. he sucks shit

@@VickMcbread mad?

@@ghoulbuster1 he probably got crit by a medic he was trying to butter knife

@@VickMcbread Okay Uncle Dane fan, cry harder

@@ghoulbuster1 pieces of shit like you make the community worse

lol wtf this actually makes sense. i've read about the glitch but even after making this video i never put 2 and 2 together. your theory could very well be the explanation 🤔

This works with the Scorch Shot's taunt too. If you fire a random crit normally, then immediately taunt a bunch of times, they'll all be crits.

hmm... does this work with the Heavy's fists? If I random crit while punching, can I use Left Click to get random crits constantly?

@@shinydewott because that is the few instaces that re rolls

@@SnivyVonDerpPhuckI this desnt seem broken at all, gona try the glitch in a pub later, not like crit scorch shot spam will be all that usefull without mobility anyways

He stored x2 amount of crits in there!

soldier being an interdimensional creature that knows the power that the bucket holds seems totally in character

Need Crits!

now you’re implying he knows more than we do

no, none of the parts of the crit audit should affect you in normal gameplay, they only matter if you're trying to crithack

the chances of that are 2% since you've done no actual damage (the crit bucket is not the same as the ramp chance via damage)

@@VickMcbread but you dont need to deal actual damage at the moment of getting the ramp amp, it counts in the damages done from last 20 sec.

Kinda late, but crit bucket has nothing to do with the chance of it happening, its a wallet, so it insted prevents it from happening if youre cheating

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It uses the bucket. When its full you can force out all your stored crits.

i figured that out in like 2019

You can crit 100% of the time using hitscan or projectile weapons with cheats. I just tested (aimware).

@@obrezman1668 perfect crit hack is public now afaik lmao. Surprised tom didnt paste it in his joke of a cheat, what's worse is that NC's also is still the same as the last update, AW, idk polak's smoking crack somewhere with his "ferrari", CH's is pretty solid for something being free lol, even though the entire cheat is one huge fucking mess full of estrogen induced coding and fake fur sheddings.

@@imgladnotu9527 >estrogen induced coding

I honestly think it's quite well designed! I hope it's not removed eventually because of naysayers

​@@LordVader1094 That would imply some sort of balance update or something. Do you remember what game we're talking about?

yes it seems random crits are actually as fair & as balanced as the devs intended them to be....... but robin walker STILL sucks shit. fuck that guy & the original TFteam who designed tf2. they added random crits into the game IM MALDING. tf2 needed better devs >;c

Well that is source spaghetti for you

In most cases the rabbit hole only goes as deep as the recent-damage multiplier. All the other stuff is just anti-cheat stuff.

You gotta grip it and sip it

no he's blowing bubbles

Wait, I wonder if it's the same animation with the mad milk. Don't drink that soldier, that isn't really milk! Oh no...

random Frits

@@TheTrashman9 fuck, it’s fixed now

@@thelunaticcultist5157 your sins are laid bare

no they dont work dont lie to people am proper uncle dane wannabe he said they bad dont you know that theyre bad can you not misinform people its stupid valve please just do something so i can stop typing this reply please i mean gaben we all want it except for the dumb ones i mean come on.

@@elbowremovalservice Your meds, schizo.

*"You'll be okay"* *proceeds to turn on femur breaker with damage dealt counter and bonus damage counter

@UCMUSe1PC4LtnxPeRT_cOLEQ Heavy death noise.mp3

@@skipmanghondarg "Don't worry, femurs grow back"

"Ohhhhh it is saad daaaay!"

same his face looks so depressing

so hackers were actually soldier tf2 all along

And it didn't even need 9 years in development.

Are you asking about non critical damage done in one life or total damage done in one life?

You mean in the last 20 seconds?

Achievements, strange parts, even

That could probably be a script you can use to know your current crit chance.

@@TwoAgainstNature ye just damage

Well you cannot go below 0, hardcoded in the game, valve forgot the cap can be, and is negative

that happened to me with the skullcutter, someone tried to kick me because they thought i was cheating

lmao

crit checks are all run as soon as you click before you even fire. so console output will always have to "wait for the next cycle" to update the numbers

Also worth mentioning (it was mentioned at around 0:46 but it might be easy to miss), the crit bonus multiplier is only based on damage done within the last 2 to 20 seconds, so that's why there's a delay of a couple seconds during that part of the video.

I guess since the balls are always doing constant damage

Actually, this guy is referring to an actual bug, not the feature you guys are talking about. There’s a bug that causes all wrap assassin and sandman projectiles to crit no matter the range. I forget the setup, but u can look it up.

@@drago5819 you shoot a random crit with a weapon, then switch and only shoot balls

@@lipschitzlyapunov That's not what Im talking about mister.

@@drago5819 Correct.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3PWeH1h0oR0.html He might actually

Uber saw is a melee weapon with random crits. ALL weapons like that have an inherant 15% chance to crit with no prior damage. And 20 seconds can be a long time in TF2, so if there is a crossbow shot or two or a prior melee attack in there, you crit fairly often.

@@alexstewart9592 Thing is I cant hit crossbow hits and when I do its not on enemies and it still crits

@Blackout (except spy and demoknight) Im talking about how its weird that medics uber saw has a whole stereotype that it always crits and yet its most often only 15% crit

​@@MiquShiroprobably because they a: don't expect to lose to a medic so it sticks out a lot more in their mind and b: most classes don't fight with their melee that often with their most common playstyles. So even though all melee weapons are like that, you see it less often.

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No f*rries

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v bro you got a anime PFP you ain't got any right to talk

@@FatCatCooper VTubers aren't cartoons, and mine is literally on the ADL as a hate symbol. Incredibly based.

@@FatCatCooper Oh, wait. You're also a f*rry. Reported to PETA and the UNICEF.

Basically, a sniper rifle deals 50 base. A charged shot deals 150. Which means that a half charged shot will deal 100 damage, perhaps?

Crit stickies are destructive

no

@@pakiprime9158 yes

the only thing that makes it unbalanced really is the fact that you dont know when its gonna happen

oh so thats exactly why i sometimes hear crit sound but it doesnt actually crit

@@burnedgrapes yep, I've heard and even seen the crit clientside, and it just turns into normal damage.

this has never happened to me on valve servers, only community, leading me to believe it's a server plugin thing

@@hoffer_moment it tends to happen to spy's revolver, sometimes you hear the crit sound, you hit the player and no crit damage

Imagine the soldiers reaction to ending your ks lmao. "Jose_Gonzales 2007 HAS ENDED Epic_Heavymain'S KILLSTEREAK 40>"

If your team relies on 1 good player carrying the team to win, they don't deserve to win. The random crit balanced the situation.

@@TheOsamaBahama the enemy team shouldn't rely on a trash player getting blessed by the rng gods to win either lmao, the crit wasn't balanced.

whats wrong with f2p players

@@why3994 Nothing wrong with them, would feel equally annoyed if any bad player won a fight against me with a stroke of luck.

@@why3994 f2ps are bad

@@Lerre I once panic air blast 4 rocket with 1 rm, 2 of them are crits, my first ever team wipe.

@@why3994 i have nothing against f2ps, i just needed something to put there and f2p players were the only thing i can think of lol

If there was a TF2 speedrun of some kind and a random crit would speed it up, you know they would find a way.

@@GogiRegion ...and abuse it

isnt it just a randomizer?

This is going to sound weird, but believe me, it's true. Computers can't decide things randomly. Seriously. The reason the whole random seed thing exists is because the game (and all computers in general) can't decide things randomly. So, how they programmed it is by having a clock spin up at super high speeds, and then whenever you shoot, the game looks to see if the clock number is below your crit chance, and if it is, then it gives you a crit. Ta da! "randomness". It's not random at all, you just can't notice the difference. Different games use different ways to determine randomness. For example, some games actually use the TEMPERATURE OF THE CPU to roll for "randomness". It's kinda fascinating.

@@DrMonty-ng5fo ye, but i mean, all this random seed stuff happens just so a random number can be generated, isnt it?

@@DrMonty-ng5fo Ah okay. That makes sense.

@@DrMonty-ng5fo Some applications use microscopic atmospheric measurements that will never be the same because of chaos.

maybe it depends on distance to target?

Pretty sure it does

Honestly, when there’s a source leak of a game, it’s way easier, but still hard. You basically just have to look through code, usually using comment searching if comments are involved in the leak, and find a method or variable that looks like it’s responsible, then just look at all cases in which that variable is used or function is called to see what happens. It can be very tedious to do, and with something as big as TF2 it would be hard even if it was nice and organized code, but spaghetti code is a nightmare. Some games like Minecraft are easy as hell to mod since everything is super organized and well commented, though (which the TF2 code leaked shows it isn’t). If you don’t have the source code, you’re a bit fucked and it will be way harder, but you start off by looking at memory addresses during specific points in gameplay, and then you see which variables have or haven’t been changed. Then you can look at the game’s assembly (notated machine code) and see where that’s used. Sometimes code can be decompiled into an easier to understand programming language in a coherent way, but sometimes it can’t. In general, you need decent coding and computer experience to do so, and sometimes it’s easier just to test things out in game instead of trying to look at code.

It basically just gives the server the highest possible random value generated by the client so that when the data is sent to the server, it ends up maximizing crit chance or something like that.

First they bitch that random critz are bad, cause they reward for no input. Now they bitch that random critz are bad, cause they do reward for input. Seriously, this is just stupid.

Yeah, so what? They're still fun. Play a no crits server if it bothers you

Its quite readonable. If you r constantly maxing out damage, that means there is just more and more people out there you couldn't kill. Doing 800 raw damage in 20 second is not hard to achieve. But hard to maintain. Take rocket launcher as an example, to achieve 800 raw dmg in 20 seconds. first you will have to do 11 non-stopping shot(with reload). And you have at least direct hit 9 of those, basically aim bot accuracy. And somehow you didn't kill all of yout enemy.

i think medic crits are also based off how much healing you have done and overheal probably does not count

As stated in the video melees have a higher crit chance

@@daedliy963 yeah but only 15% at base, which is in no way the average ammount of crits a medic deals with his melee

@@Guaporacer but you're completely disregarding the damage buildup probably harnessed by both primary and the melee itself, the ubersaw is a favorite over its extra damage after all

@@daedliy963 its stated in the video that the medigun doesnt builds up crit chance, and a medic that has his primary out for more than a couple seconds, specially for dealing damage, is not doing a good job, and we talk about competent medics here, also they tend to just one shot you with a crit before they even get the chance to realistically build up damage

@Blackout there is a meme video in my channel of a chater being counter-attacked by his own random crit, in that match, he was always getting crits including his medic, i have the question, how they can do that? How they manipulate the game to always get a crit?

@Blackout a maximum of 8% rolled 10 times in a row? i can believe it happened once somewhere, but when it's past 10^-10 it becomes harder to believe on a routine basis

@@ombricshalazar3869 they can bypass the random roll which is not a rule, but not bucket check.

Melees have a much higher crit chance, and since medic doesn't use his melee often, when he does swing he will often crit.

@MetaruPX that applies to ubersaw too

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