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Warhol was a vampire. You summed it up neatly when you said he took credit for other's work, used people up, then discarded them. His life, his art, are celebrations of banality.
@@magdalena_dewinterhe was known to steal from other artists she thought he was gonna steal from her….minus her background she prob had a little justification for her behavior.
Wow, give this man a medal, you are truly a genius sir! How did you ever notice that, and care enough to comment? The bigly-ness of your mind astounds us normal humans
@@LordVader1094 you really think that his comment made me mad? You kids are crazy these days, you love your catch phrases so much you force it in to every conversation
I guess cause the story of how he exploited a mentally ill woman for profit and amusement wouldn't really be great PR and reduce people's interest in him.
@@Nocturn3, This is the first Oki story I already sort of knew about. I learnt about it in high school as apart of a tiny module of art history that I think my teacher may have just created because she thought it was interesting.
@@headerahelix I don't know, I think there's a swath of people out there who'd enjoy a museum that did more to expose an artist than glorify them. I personally find his work as a con artist vastly more interesting than his work as a pop artist. Then again, I think all artists are sort of con artists.
People talk about how people nowadays are privileged, fragile, woke snowflakes. But when you consider the ammount of undiagnosed psychosis cases that plagued the mid-60s to early 80s, I say I prefer living in the current era
I'd have rather grown up in my late teens / young 20's in the 1980's. The 90's were amazing, but it seems like after 2001, everything just gets worse, and worse, and worse. All by design.
@@LSSTmusic blah blah blah ignoring that some generations actually did have it better than others blah blah blah You're not wrong, but we're both right
I'm actually related to Andy. He was my grandmothers cousin, and apparently he was a huge POS. Never wanted anything to do with any of his family members and just locked himself away. Even before he was famous he apparently seldom interacted with anyone unless he desperately needed something.
Andy Warhol openly admitted that his art was entirely meaningless and he just wanted to make money. He ran an art studio called "The Factory" because that's how little he cared about what was produced there; he viewed the art as mass manufactured goods. His entire legacy is one of avoiding pretense. Pop art is a counterculture movement that literally exists in opposition of pretentiousness. Andy Warhol was a selfish dickhead who used his fame and status to manipulate and abuse people. He was not pretentious though.
How about the fact she hated men and thought she was far superior but then chased them around all day begging for them to publish the book that says so LOL
Considering the artists she was hanging out with in Warhol's circle, that's not the least bit surprising. None of them were actually that talented, it was more about making something for the sake of saying you'd made something.
I mean, she had an extreme case of paranoid schizophrenia. A major symptom of schizophrenia (called reference ideation) is seeing patterns and relations that are coincidental as hugely significant. This is especially significant for paranoid forms of schizophrenia, as the sufferer will often construct a grand conspiracy around these supposed relationships. Another symptom is delusions of grandeur, where the person believes they have some great power, purpose or value not in line with reality. I believe that her schizophrenia probably played a role in her believing Warhol plagiarised her. She saw some benign similarities in her work and Warhol’s and her mental state caused her to conclude Warhol was stealing from her. This isn’t to say she didn’t think she was superior to others (she evidently did) but that’s a manifestation of her delusions. In short, I think mental illness defined her life a lot more than vanity. Like, we agree she refused the more logical conclusion that her art was bad and, instead, she crafted a grand conspiracy theory. But that’s not what a vain person thinks, that’s what a highly delusional person believes.
Talk about being shaped by your upbringing. This woman was clearly absolutely completely and utterly demolished by the abuse she experienced growing up, that she managed to force her way into Warhol's life was probably the worst possible outcome.
I read _The SCUM Manifesto_ in the late 90s while I was living in a house with radicals of various stripes. The writing itself, _the craft_ of it, is okay. I never read _Up Yours,_ which she had polished a lot more, but parts of _The SCUM Manifesto_ already show a bit of her disorganized thinking, with non-sequitors and leaps in logic. It seems like another draft was needed. As the product of a specific point of view it was interesting. I think she could have been an interesting scholar if her life had gone differently. Therapy and medication available today probably would have helped immensely. The book itself isn’t scholarly. It’s a collection of ideas based on anecdotes, filtered through a lens of anger. Solanas would have loved Twitter. She was basically a _hot take_ dispenser, but her mental illness would have probably been reinforced there.
@@SECONDQUEST Yeah, they don't often package them as their views, they give them out as facts. I used to think people were exaggerating as well, then I took sociology.
This is surreal - just found out about Warhol being shot through a tiktok compilation (somehow hadn't heard of it until now) and coincidentally you made a video about it. So glad this exists - thanks for all the hard work!
Swish is still used here in part of the UK to mean fancy, like "oh this restaurant's a bit swish" Likewise, here swish was sometimes used in place of gay - though what's survived is swishy, not swish. Looking online, swish seems to be the US version and swishy is the UK version
"His parents were working-class immigrants from the Carpathian mountains.. where the plot of _Dracula_ happens to be set." Funny those mountains birthed two soulless vampires, huh?
@@purplehaze2358 don't compare those 2 in one sentence, bc one was a remarkable leader who saved moder Europe from muslim control (every story about how "bad" he was, were written 50-70 years later after his death, but the leeches he was fighting against (oligarchs of the era)), and tge other one is mentally challenged psychopath who was a bum and prostitute with God complex
Funny to complain about Warhol when you could get worked up about some Real nasty people that have some Real influence and Do still live... But to each their own
fun fact Val appears as a parody of Velma in the Venture Bros. universe and Wahol too appeared in the show as a parody of Superman villain Lex Lothor called Wes Warhammer and his art troupe was a parody of the Legion of Doom called the Doom Factory. good to learn more about their real counterparts.
The other members of the scooby gang parody Val is in, The Groovy Gang, are all also references to other 70’s criminals Daphne is Patty Hearst, Fred is Ted Bundy, and Scooby & Shaggy are modeled after The Son of Sam and Harvey, the dog of David Berkowitz’s neighbor
Funny enough a comment similar to yours on a venture bros vid led me to learn about her. That show is absolutely loaded with references that are super easy to miss.
It’s kind of ironic how she spent her life begging and chasing around men to help her publish a book on the genocide and hatred of men, but then hated them for it when they weren’t interested, and if they DID help her out she instantly thought it was a plot against her and sabotaged that as well
@@mistydayremainsofthejudgment she had printed up copies and was selling them herself on the street; a perfectly viable method back then if your work was worth anything
@@mistydayremainsofthejudgmentIf I’m a man, right, and i want to make money on publishing someone’s book, I’m probably not going to publish a book that alienates half the population. I have just lost half of the money I could make publishing something else. When you cease seeing the world as a “male vs female” dynamic and start seeing it as a “Making money vs not” you will understand everything forever. This is wisdom that takes decades to learn and it is not cheap. Many people have earned it painfully. It is being given to you freely, please use it responsibly and do not waste it.
The movie featured here about Valerie Solanas 'I shot Andy Warhol' is really good, especially the performance from Lili Taylor as Solanas. A year or so ago it was featured on a list of films not available on any streaming platform. I don't know whether that's still true. Either way, it shows the importance of physical media for preserving films.
I can see why they made a movie out of this. Warhol was a shallow POS who failed upwards in the art world, Val was a schizophrenic POS who literally tried to screw her way to the top. Each sound like the most insufferable kind of person imaginable, in freaky different ways. The irony of them clashing is stricking.
Tbf with a lot of them the early bullying is why they’re such dicks. Very easy to ego trip like wild when you get wealth and critical renown after being the kid everyone picked on for your entire childhood.
I swear, every time we forget about this channel you pop back up to remind us again. Quality output will always beat the piss out of quantitative output.
“Challenging the status quo as a queer woman will get you many enemies. As such many did not like her.” Sure. It had nothing to do with her beating up her roommates and peeing in their food.
@littlemissmello she also had a habit of attacking her friends randomly. I think it had little to do with her being queer and more with her being a paranoid nut.
@@littlemissmello I wonder if you make excuses for men who SA women because it must because it must stem from some trauma or rejection.. buhu, poor SA'ist .. She's a attempted murderer who wanted to genocide half the population. Get a grip
I like this video had me going “oh Valerie just seems like a somewhat broken person constantly in bad circumstances I can see why she believes what she believes” but like halfway through she just slowly became an actual crazy person lol
@@trashfire1025 It's the same thought expressed multiple times because multiple people are being affected by the "women are wonderful" effect that the video latches onto, treating her as beaten down and therefore rather justified in her actions. Amazing how if you criticize a woman or certain female behavior more than a few times in the same space, you somehow dislike all women.
All the reasons why I love RU-vid. Real people's voices not bogged down by the trappings of overproduced mainstream media. H-bomber said "i didn't know RU-vid videos had souls until i watched the ones who have none" (or something to that affect) OKI is so awesome and unique. I can really appreciate the time and effort that goes into these videos. When i see a new video come out i am so delighted. Worth the wait is an understatement
people who cry about "mainstream" media = conservative morons who want to return us to the stoneage and usually believe in tons of dumb conspiracy theories like qanon lmao
This is one of those stories where I hate basically everyone involved, but the thing I hated the most is that this insane woman's delusions were actually correct, and she really did become a famous icon for shooting some men. It's sad that her insane book had any success at all.
The fact that you put Leonard Cohen as the second in your list of greats that stayed at the Chelsea Hotel has made me respect you much more than I already did!
really enjoyed this one! Obv not as elaborate and high quality as your documentaries, but it's awesome to see another story I never had heard of before, but loved to hear you tell. Well done
I love these more shortform videos in between your documentaries. This was a very interesting story and I think videos like these will bring a bigger audience for those big projects you have coming up
hardly shortform content, this is 30 minutes long and the script is many pages long as well. But i do agree, i enjoy anything this guy puts out though. Few and far between content creator
I know its not very productive, but I have to let it off my chest: i detest this current trend to hold a corded mic like a stand-up comedian (there you go, bud)
It's because a lot of these people are buying stage mics that need to be close to the mouth to record anything - but still wanting some movement and expression that would be more difficult with a mic stand. I don't quite blame them; studio mics pick up too much of the room to work in an non-soundtreated home environment, so these are considered the "best sound quality". That said, they're wrong. They should be buying lapel mics or other presentation-style mics, especially for this kind of content. Even shotgun mics would be a better fit. Too many people just buying whatever mics reddit recommends
I’ve watched all of your videos, and typically look you up every other month to see if you’ve posted anything, so I’m not sure why this wasn’t recommended until now.
I will watch all the weird stories you release. They are some of my favorites because of how well thought out they are, and the production is quality. thank you
Maybe a little bit, but she's still mostly only remembered for her connection to a more famous man... which kinda seems like a fail for someone who hates men 😅
It all goes back to her horrible upbringing. It doesn’t matter how smart or gifted you are, nobody, absolutely nobody can live a normal life after a hellish childhood like hers.
It's exciting to get any content from you, short or long form. You have a midas touch for stories, you pick interesting topics and as long as these newer short form pieces keep up that angle, I'm open to this change of pace for your channel.
I have only barely started the video so I don't really know what's going on yet, but I just wanted to say how excited I am to see another upload from you! I hope you are doing well!
Why do half these stories happen in my home state 😭 first the bunker one, now she went to school in Maryland The only time we are mention it is negative 😞
Damn, as a woman who has PTSD from the actions of men in my life since I was a child, not even I can relate to the concept of "eliminating all men"... What would that do and how the fuck would that even work
Yeah same here. I’ve wondered if its along the lines of “arrested development” because I could see a toddler saying something extreme like I hate you or everyone is stupid etc
I think a big factor in it is untreated mental illness, as things like schizophrenia going untreated can completely unravel a person. Combined with her bad experiences with men.
Yeah... Now that I've finished watching the video, this lady had it way worse than I did, with nobody to step up and help her when she was young. That's sad.
This is why I should go into my subscriptions more and not rely on the recommended. I haven't been suggested your videos in a while and Oki docs are always in the back of my head. I now have at least 4 videos to catch up on since your Super soldier cult video.
