The Wonderland System: WTF Happened? 

The main problem with the entire “teens faking mental conditions” trend is that it’s essentially just vulnerable young people being fed misleading information about the new and scary emotions/experiences they’re going through as a part of maturing. Puberty, mood swings, social anxiety, etc being unnecessarily pushed into this pathological lens is pretty gross

tiktok has just exacerbated every single discourse tumblr had. i remember ppl calling out DID blogs for faking wayyy back in the day, but it was so small scale because it was niche and not as easily accessible as tiktok makes every micro community and their infighting on the internet

it’s like saying self harm is for attention. even if they’re doing it for attention,,, there is still something wrong and you have to honor that

nah when i was like 13 i was convinced i had DID, i was forcing it and acted exactly like this because i felt it fit me. turns out i just had a personality disorder lol

even if they are “faking” DID, that in itself could be connected to a separate serious mental health condition they aren’t receiving proper treatment for.

i know you're upset about the audio but i gotta say you just holding the disembodied arm was an assertion of dominance in itself

It's definitely fucked up that they are (allegedly) faking DID, but even as "ethan" said, the length at which people are clowning on them is definitely veering into ableism, spending your whole time focused on bringing down a person with clear mental issues is really weird to me

Vixen’s only visible decorations being a wlw/lesbian flag and a black and white printed out paper photo of Jerma’s debt owed taped to the wall is SO FUNNY I love them!!

As a person, with severe stutter, i can comfirm, that stutter sounds nothing like they try to act like. Usually I only stutter when i'm to enthusiastic, or in stressful situations. And its not like Wonderland's alter, Oliver, or AJ, with the stutter after every letter, it sounds more like stops in my speech. Sometimes I say a word 5-6 times, before I can continue with the sentence, or I stop so often that I have to start it all over again. It's not like "H..h...h..hi...I....I....I...i'm...E...E...E...Esz...Eszter"

As someone who has tics, its painful and not fun at all. I’m going to be honest, I think its being forced/acted. I feel bad because they are so young and if it is fake, it will probably haunt them for a while because the internet never forgets. I hope they get help because regardless of their true diagnosis, they could definitely benefit from it. Remember you don’t need a mental disorder to get help and deserve that help ❤️

I swear to god, psychologists now need a new branch of study just to investigate and diagnose people that get “infected” by social media’s popular mental disorders. These people need professional help.

my therapist was telling me she gets a lot of younger people coming in claiming to have DID and hardly anyone does, rather they subconsciously adopt traits of other people because they see it on social media, or they just have other issues that need to be addressed in my personal life, I knew this group of people where one person actually had DID (or claimed to) and then their 5-6 friends all started pretending to have it as well, until a year or so later when a couple of them came out and were bashing the others and outing them for faking I don’t understand why people like to romanticize some of these things, I do agree we need representation, but social media has made it so difficult to tell who actually has a disorder and is showing a realistic portrayal, or who is doing it for clout Personally, I have BPD and frequent dissociative experiences, I hate it, it’s extremely painful emotionally having to deal with those swings and even just simple rejections can send me into a breakdown, i would never wish it on anyone, so it pains me when I see people online making it look like it’s some sort of quirky thing

my mom had DID (i say "had" because she passed, DID does *not* just go away), and she didn't get diagnosed until her late 20s / early 30s. she had it for my whole life, when i was 7 years old i had to learn how to help ground her when she switched. she had 17+ alters, and when she was first diagnosed, my dad didn't believe it. what made him believe that she had DID was the fact that her handwriting would change when she would switch, and sometimes she wouldn't need her glasses (she was very very blind). i don’t know if she actually could see or not, i don’t know the science behind it. but she wouldn’t wear her glasses when certain alters fronted. her alters ranged from 7 years old - 30+ years old, but the most common one that came out was a 7 year old one, and obviously being 7 years old myself, that wasn't too great. i needed a parent, i needed an adult, i needed my mom. so i had to learn how to ground her and bring her back. DID is real, i've witnessed the ugly parts of it, the very very very interesting parts, the scary parts, etc. DID isn't what the movies make it, there is a very small percentage of people with DID who are violent or have violent alters. the mind is incredible, the fact that it can go this far to protect someone from their trauma is truly incredible. it's so fascinating, so interesting, and i really encourage people to do research on it. grayson did a *great* job explaining it, but there is *so* much more to it. when my mom explained her "inner world" to me when i was young, i had no idea other people had it. so when i would see systems talking about it on tiktok, i was shocked. she explained her inner world to be a long hallway with a door with a diamond doorknob at the end of it. inside of the door was her "inner world," she called it the "play room" (since most of her alters were younger). in there was everything you could think of, toys, games, etc. and then there were seats in front of her eyes, and the alters that would take control would sit in those seats. kind of like a pilot in a plane. it's really fascinating to hear how other systems describe their inner worlds, because it truly is different for everyone. people who fake having DID are some of the worst people. DID is such a scary and big thing, and it is so incredibly disrespectful and insensitive to fake it. the reason why it takes so long to get diagnosed is because it stems from severe trauma. my mom had a very traumatic childhood, which is why so many of her alters were young. it takes time to form alters, it takes time to recognize that they're there. there is little to no way that someone who is as young as the body of the wonderland system has 200 alters. especially since most alters have a purpose and they stem from *something*. i see 14 year olds claiming to have DID, and although i never say anything, i barely ever believe it. there's a reason why the diagnostic process is so long. i'm not a doctor, but i have a lot of experience with it, a lot of knowledge on it, and i'm educated enough to recognize when something isn't adding up. stop faking DID. you won't get away with it. but anyway, thank you for talking about this grayson. you did an amazing job. keep doing what you're doing

"is there a homelessness crisis?" Grayson is asking the real questions here lmao

As someone who is a former compulsive liar, and also a victim of neglect from a parent, this comments section gives me so much hope. It’s so good to see people out there finally recognizing that attention is a need. If someone is begging for attention, they’re begging for HELP. I wish I’d had all of you when I was growing up ❤️

My mum has DID, and no one would know. I’m literally one of the only people who spends enough time with her to always be able to tell when she is switching. To everyone it looks like dif moods. Just some personal experiences. Ps I find the jokes also in poor taste, this is such a stigmatized disorder that adding to it only further hurts people. My mother lives in constant fear she will be made fun of for her symptoms if she is vulnerable with others. And I can’t blame her. I’m not saying no jokes about did can’t exist; but those who are ignorant to the subject are not educated enough to make jokes that are actually insightful and not hurtful.

mic issues are a very specific type of pain only akin to having pages of an essay deleted and not being able to exactly reproduce what you wrote the first time

as someone w a stutter, i only stutter under severe stress just like most people with a stutter. whatever that thing they call a stutter is, is more mockery than a realistic depiction of an actual stutter

With the interaction with the doctor: as someone who has been in a psych ward, some of the doctors in there are nuts and really will diagnose you on the spot. A misdiagnosis is possible and likely and when I was in a similar situation (they diagnosed me with anti-social personality disorder after speaking to me once) I sought out a second opinion immediately. This doesn't credit or discredit their experience, but crazy stuff goes down in psych wards.

As someone who has been accused of faking (ADHD, learning disabilities, chronic pain), it's hard to address things like this. It really hurts when people are faking a real condition that doesn't get a lot of support, but it also makes it harder for people who do have conditions to be open about what they face for fear of being accused of faking.

As someone who has had stutter…..I highly believe that their “stuttering” is full role play. As careful as we like to, and NEED to be around mental health, some behaviors people are displaying on tiktok are just genuinely unbelievable. There is a baseline understanding of gimmicky behaviors people display, and it’s not a jump that many people would then realize this from others. People aren’t as stupid as they always seem to be. Should they be relentlessly bullied? No. Should more awareness be spread to weed out these folk who misrepresent the illness? Hopefully.

I hope they get a therapist because receiving this much scrutiny from the internet can’t be good for anyone’s mental health Edit: stop fighting in the comments!!!!

I honestly think that even if someone is faking DID, there is still a highly likely hood of them being mentally ill. I use myself as an example, because for a little while when I was under extreme and constant mental stress, I had a period of acting/thinking that I had DID. I obviously know now that I don't actually have it, but I am very much aware that I am still severely mentally unwell and have been since childhood. I don't think I worded this well at all but whatever

Whether or not they have DID I think we can all agree they aren’t “well”. Faking DID to that degree isn’t heathy or “normal”. neither is actually having DID. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t treat them as we would any other person.

I don't have DID however I have psychotic depression and I have 'people' in my head and an inner world were they interact. So this whole contrversy was pretty interesting to me.

i been **WAITIN** for this one! seriously needed someone i trusted to break down this entire fiasco

You know, regardless of if they do or don't have DID, the way people react to and treat the Wonderland System is the biggest reason it is NOT safe to publicly admit to having DID. Having people constantly question you, tell you you're lying about your disorder, and generally attack your character or you as a person (physical traits for instance) is really upsetting especially when you have a complex mental disorder caused by trauma.

I have, I think, quite a unique perspective on this as a person with DID (Or at the very least another severe dissociative disorder accompanied by personality disorder/s, I'm still trying to work out the nitty gritty with the mental health professionals in my life) who also "Faked" DID as a kid on the internet. I remember being so dissociated, alone, afraid, and desperate for validation I wasn't getting from my parents, and finding a community where I felt like my experiences "fit" - so I exaggerated it, highly. I had 20+ "Alters", mostly fictives, all with unique names and accents and experiences, I had a made-up inner world, I would often fake switching, sometimes even to get out of bad arguments with my friends which I regret deeply and eventually spent months apologising for. Then I saw a therapist and inevitably broke down and confessed everything. It took about 2 years of work after that point for us to work through what kind of state I was in and get me to be comfortable with MYSELF rather than my fake system that I'd grown so dependent on, and eventually, we realised there was a high likelihood that I was actually experiencing some form of split dissociative selves. They're absolutely nothing like how I was pretending they were. They're all ME - that's something I know and feel intrinsically in a way I never did when I was faking, but when I'm them, it's blurry, hard to focus on what I was doing as them, it's honestly terrifying. In some ways a lot scarier than the full blackouts I'd pretend to have, because it's so much harder KNOWING I did something and yet knowing barely any of the details, or what I was feeling in those moments, like my alters are more dreamlike states of myself than fully separate entities (That's what a "full" blackout feels like to me, by the way, like a dream I know I had but don't remember, but usually it's like a dream I do remember and can't focus on or really think about). We do communicate. But talking to each other in our head is not really a thing that happens and when it does it is quite fuzzy and incomprehensible. Usually we will write each other notes, when I find them it's more of a "Oh, good reminder that I did/need to do this thing, I wouldn't have remembered otherwise" rather than "I don't remember writing this at all" - this type of communication just works to keep me on track and not stumbling through my days in a fog. Whereas I faked having 20+ distinct personalities, I actually have around 3-4, I think, and all of them but one are very much "me" but in different states. The outlier is also a personality I distinctly feel as being "me", but I say "him" rather than "me" when speaking about him because he is much more a separate state of being than the others. I fully blackout a lot more with him, and my close friends who know about my condition have distinct conversations and even dynamics with him, he types a little differently than I do and is much more of a "person" if that makes sense. I think he is supposed to be the protector (though I'm iffy on "system" terms these days) and that has made him more distinct, because I feel that he feels the need to protect "me" if that makes sense... Gives him more of a reason to separate himself. He is also the only one to have a name separate from my legal name but I know he also identifies with the wider "us" and is used to being "me" and having my name. I would say I have a friendship with him but it really just feels more like, an agreed upon love for the wider myself. It's very comforting, honestly, like built in self love. Above the positives though it is terrifying. Experiencing real dissociation like that and being aware of it is so much more scary than what I was pretending to go through. What that experience has taught me more than anything else is that it is completely possible to be going through something truly horrifying and, out of a fear of that, try to make it more "fun", and try to have community (Which in my case only made my mental health much worse). I also went through horrific SA through my early childhood to my teens, as well as heavy neglect from both my parents, several isolated traumatic events like the poorly handled death of a grandparent and my parent's messy and physically abusive divorce, as well as a lot of other things that I know are completely fuzzy to me which my alters(?) have spoken about in therapy. So when I see exaggerated DID online and hear that the trauma is (and not to be too dismissive because I know that even "little" things can be very traumatising to a child), well, quite minimal, and also more clearly remembered than is to be expected with this sort of thing, I have to say none of it looks like it SHOULD be causing this level of heavy and theatrical dissociation. BUT - that does NOT mean that they aren't going through something. I promise you, they are. And they deserve compassion for what they really are going through, beneath all that. DID is a coping mechanism, and so is faking it, just in a different way.

This is really interesting. I had a roommate for years who has DID, I did a lot of research to try to understand them better. It’s wild that people have to be speculative because people fake such stigmatized mental illnesses. DID doesn’t really make anyone “special” if that’s why people fake it. Regardless of this controversy, it’s interesting to hear about because I’ve never met people with DID who are like Wonderland

Hope they find the appropriate help they need. And maybe one day.. mental health will be seen more like how physical health is seen... unfortunately the gap is quite large.

The damage has already been well and truly done, and has been for at least the better part of a decade. I'm 30, and was experiencing all of this stigmatisation and ableism regarding my DID and Dissociation when I was in high school. To be honest? There's barely any treatment let alone diagnosis...and all of this shows perfectly WHY so many of us do not have an internet presence, nor do we consider ourselves as "systems" as in our experiences, it's only lead to ridicule. I mean, take a look at the representation we have! 99% of DID in media make us out to be serial killers and so unhinged we can't be reasoned with. When there is so little actual research being conducted regarding trauma based disorders that we even stigmaise Complex post traumatic stress disorder...it's important to remember how stigma shapes the greater thinking around the subject. Considering its a trauma based disorder and maladaptive coping mechanism, not a three ring circus for everyone's enjoyment and speculation, for that reason I do find the whole line of questioning regarding "homelessness in the inner world" to be derogatory, regardless of whether I think wonderland is putting anything on, or being 100% genuine. (I find it hard to believe that so many of these alters are gender queer with neo pronouns and an alternative style of dress tbh. But that isn't proof of anything other than how much more accessible everything including queer language is to younger people in 2022) When even the professionals aren't educated enough to make judgement and do everything they can to stay away from having to....I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone is easily receiving diagnosis, but I also find it deeply irresponsible to be harassing people who are clearly unstable either way.

as someone with tics, the tic discourse irritates me slightly. My tics are not neurological - they are a result of OCD. there are a lot of tic disorders that are purely mental. anyways, this video was really helpful for me to understand the whole drama - thank you! :))

I love that the only coverage DID gets is either a movie about a murderer or stupid ass teenagers faking it. They definitely aren’t an actual system, but they are definitely suffering from something mental health wise. “Normal” people don’t go to such extreme lengths to faking having a disorder for clout

The one thing why these teenagers are being accused of 'faking' DID is because it's a notoriously difficult condition to diagnose in your teenage years. Personalities don't get fully developed until later on in early adulthood. DID in teenagers are usually more perceived as severe moodswings or the like. Which is why it's pretty unbelievable any medical professional would confidently diagnose DID in these teens.

16:04 I'm kind of doubtful of that, could anyone provide a trustworthy source for this stat? Because if a disorder is present in 1.5% of the ENTIRE population, it's in NO WAY super rare. That's roughly the diagnosis rate of autism, which is, well, not exactly a very uncommon disorder. This seems like an absurdly high statistic, especially to be labeled as "super rare".

"A doctor pulled me aside and said Yes! I think you have DID! Lets go through the DSMV and diagnose you!".... Yeah fam this person has never seen a psych in their life. It took 4 and a half years for me to get dx'd with what I have. That's not how anything works.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned, but when you're institutionalized in the US short term (3 - 14 days) they refuse to diagnose anything that isn't essentially baseline, like what you basically already can infer got you there such as depression, anxiety, insomnia, and several other basic disorders. Mental hospitals refer you out ALWAYS to another organization to get outpatient treatment, then after usually 3 to 6 months your outpatient treatment team will give you a longer explanation about possible disorders that are complex such as BPD, DID, etc. but that doesn't mean you'll necessarily be diagnosed then even. If you're lower lower income however this becomes a much longer process than that, as you're typically discharged and then get treatment from lower level therapists and counselors who typically are not qualified to diagnose whatsoever, and you have to go through an extremely long winded process to even get any sliver of real treatment. Obviously this experience isn't universal as the systems vary state to state, but literally no short term mental hospital will diagnose complex disorders such as DID.

This video is so well made I'm SPEECHLESS... I love everything about it. Too bad your mic wasn't on for that island part because it looked so cool :(

My ex, a very experienced child psychologist and professor, told me that DID is VERY overdiagnosed. It takes quite a bit of sexual and physical abuse at a very young age to fracture the mind in such a way that it forces your neurons to rewire your core personality and sense of being. The vast majority of kids who are terribly abused never develop DID (kids are resilient af). DID is not something you can consciously control: you literally dissociate into a different person and sometimes don’t even have access to their memories or knowledge. It is not simply having “multiple personalities” that are quirky with different ages and accents. Trauma can present itself as what appears to be DID, but when looked into deeper the person has conscious control of said “alters.” This is simply role playing, and although it can be a healthy coping mechanism, it is NOT DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER. A disorder is uncontrollable, causes issues that severely limit functioning in daily life, and MUST be diagnosed by a licensed professional, not some child on tik tok.

So the inner world is tied to maladaptive daydreaming, and goes hand in hand with DID, autism, adhd, and bpd. Though it's not a *requirement* to have those things, it's just a common thing found within them. It's actually a coping mechanism. When you can't escape physically, you escape mentally into daydreams that are so deep, so real, you really feel emotionally tied to them. I maladaptive daydream hard (I'm autistic and adhd) and have multiple worlds that live only in my head, that I'm very emotionally attached to. Within them, I'm not present; it's it's characters I've made up to escape being myself in my reality. It's been a lifelong coping mechanism of mine when I get overwhelmed, bored, over or under stimulated, feel threatened, or depressed. If I can't physically escape (ie. Run away, find a distraction, etc) I'll mentally escape. It's become a disorder for me though because I physically cannot sleep unless I'm daydreaming; I have to emotionally escape being myself to sleep. I can't always control when I daydream and often lose touch with reality while my body is on autopilot and I never pressed the autopilot switch. And the daydream world's I've concocted over time have become more appealing and emotionally fulfilling than real life. I have very few friends because real relationships are harder to maintain than simply escaping to the made-up friends in my inner daydream worlds. Dissociative daydreaming disorder is different from DID though because while we zone out and enter autopilot mode, we don't fully dissociate from ourselves. If someone says my name while I'm in a daydream trance, I can come out of it and respond, or respond in a sort of daydream-augmented-reality way where I'm mentally my character from the daydream, but physically I'm responding completely as myself. My voice, my movements, my opinions and usual responses. I'm about half present. In the inner mind, I can be many many people with many differing opinions, lived experiences, and personalities. But it's all at will, or as a response to too much or too little external stimuli. I'm in control of it, and it doesn't bleed out into the outer world. Makes life hard, but in the end i have 1 external personality, and many many internal escapism daydream characters who are offshoots of my personality and ways for me to explore different views and experiences. At times it feels like I'm changing and my personality has drastically changed, or like the daydream personas talk to me in my mind, but thats usually as a response to a problem or question and is a way to explore other angles, using personas who would think that way instead of trying to make myself think a way I don't. Or I enter "augmented reality" where I envision myself as a daydream persona, interacting with reality. But it's not dissociation, it's a way to cope woth not wanting to be myself; a way to shed the self consciousness of my own body and envision myself as someone else; a way to gain false confidence and cope with being perceived in public.

Editing to say that again, my experiences aren't definitive!!! i'm just stating my personal experience, but feel free to share yours! i actually have some experience with the DID diagnostic process (not universal, but my experience)! when i was 13-14 years old, my therapist at the time had me take a "test" that i later found out was the Dissociative Experiences Scale. i was never able to finish it because i had a series of crises that had to be dealt with and it kinda slipped under the radar. an interesting thing i noticed is that Wonderland claims that the people diagnosing them told them that they were being assessed for DID, but when i was assessed i wasn't told much, just to answer the questions as truthfully as possible. in my experience with diagnosis, you're never told you're being screened for [insert illness here], you're just given the questionare. not saying my experience is definitive, but it's certainly interesting.

I've only seen the vague outskirts of this whole thing on Tiktok so I'm so glad there's a video for my peabrain to understand

The answer doesn't have to be as binary as "has DID" or "is deliberately faking DID." There's a lot of discussion around therapist-induced DID symptoms. It's notable that a lot of DID diagnoses are provided by only a few, very DID-fixated diagnosticians. The same kind of trauma that can lead to DID can also lead to people who are highly suggestible, prone to maladaptive daydreaming, and have an incoherent sense of identity. At the end of the day, though, no matter what, people deserve a basic level of respect. I think it's possible to discuss how DID might be over-represented by young people on social media without singling out individual "fakers."

It's funny to me that people were getting so worked up about the inner world stuff because really technically, if you've got a decent imagination, anyone can work to create a "space" inside their mind. I've done it in meditation. It's a nice little town with mountains and shit. Given that it's not a real place, however, there is not a government or monetary system Also haven't these people ever had dreams?? This is a thing the brain is more than capable of my guys.

as someone who kind of grew up on the internet, I wish people would stop giving their children access to the internet. or at least if they do, don't allow them to interact with other people. all I ever did as a kid was watch youtube and never talked to people ON there and my mental health was lot better than it is now. because when I DID start talking to people, and when I inevitably made a mistake, I was relentlessly bullied for it. this goes for teenagers too. honestly, anyone that isn't mature enough to be on the internet should stay far away from it.

i was professionally diagnosed with DID when i was 17, and i don’t even know much about my own disorder besides what my psychologist has talked to me about and my treatment. considering this was pretty young for me, i have been under scope of doctors for a while and was originally suspected to have schizophrenia. even now i am aware my disorder is still forming, and i currently have 6 altars. it is difficult to manage and has been a source of depression. however, i feel that often people believe they have DID, but forget DDNOS (Dissociate Disorder Not Otherwise Specified) exists. this is almost like a sub form of DID, i have a whole book that was recommended to me by my psychologist that explains the difference between these two very well. DDNOS is similar to DID except it lacks a lot of the alter and switching, it’s mostly subjugated on the dissociating aspects themselves and can link to more altar forms but very, very few if not at all. they still have an identity crisis however it is not DID. i feel people try to jump the gun and say it’s DID but DDNOS is so much more common.

As a person with dissociative disorder of non-specific type(profesionally diagnosed) i remember how horible discovering of other personalities within me felt. I cried every time I returned back to my personality. My “switch” in personality usually happens in stressfull situations and being in group of peole is what stresses me out, because its what traumatized me in first place. I remember crying to my therapist because i got invited to a b-day party and I knew there would be a lot of people(she is very social) and i knew i would dissociate and not remember most of it and be misserable days after, but i love my friend and want to go and it SUCKED. Therapy helped me a lot with and I dont dissociate as often anymore, but also setting boundaries and not putting me in situations that force me to do it. But it SUCKED! It sucked, it was hurtfull. I would never use it as a cool thing to share. I would talk about it crying and share it to help others in my situation to understand. And I still remember breakinf down because my friend invited me to her birthday party.

4:26 Multiplicity and me is a former system with multiple accents and she’s talked about how it actually isn’t very common in DID but she grew up around family from different areas so she can kind of trace what influenced them. She also makes great videos that try to visualize what an inner world is like. Anyone interested should check her out

her dark hair is everything…

Things I’ve learned from having a partner/friend with DID: It is common to have a large amount of alters, it all just depends on the things that trigger the alters to form in the first place. It’s common for alters to speak differently in pitch or accent for example, but at the same time it is also common for alters to share speaking patterns. Since the alters also interact with eachother in their inner world it’s possible for them to develop similar speaking patterns, just like a person would develop a similar way of speaking when hanging out with someone for a long period of time (it’s happened to me a lot so I can understand how this would happen for alters) Inhuman alters may seem cringey, but the body can’t choose who comes out when they split again. Similarly, there are chances for some alters to be bad people. One time my friend had an adult alter that was making their littles really uncomfortable. The rest of their system just made sure that he would never be able to front since the body is also a kid. Just because that alter is bad, though, doesn’t mean the entire system is like that. My friend also has alters of “villain” characters, like a few creepypastas, who are completely peaceful and have no intentions to harm others. Sometimes alters can also integrate. I don’t fully understand how it works, but I think it might be when an alter has reached past the point of being dormant and kinda just disappears forever (correct me if I’m wrong! I don’t like asking my friend about integration a lot because it just kinda seems like asking “hey where do your friends go when you die” 😭) Sometimes integration can be good, like when my friend’s creepy alter integrated, but sometimes it’s also a little sad because those alters were still developed people with their own personalities and then they’re just gone. Neopronouns and xenopronouns are kind of common with different alters. The way I see it, it’s an additional way of specifically identifying some of the alters. Some of them are able to have unique neos or xenos like zap, void, Ram, etc, and I can usually figure out which alter is being talked about because of it. I know people think neos and xenos are cringey or whatever, but I think it really is helpful for systems Sometimes people think a system is faking because of their fictives, especially if it’s from a popular source. Fictives, to my knowledge, form when the body had been hyperfixated on a certain source at the time of them splitting. For example, my friend had a period of time when they were especially hyperfixated on creepypastas, and ended up forming a few fictives from it. It doesn’t mean they’re faking, it’s just a special scenario with fronting. (People also think that someone’s faking if the source is something popular like dream smp or something, but if it’s popular that just means it’s more likely that someone would end up hyperfixating on it) While some systems don’t like to record themselves or tell anyone they have DID, that doesn’t mean that any systems that do record themselves are automatically faking it. Some systems genuinely just want to help educate people on this heavily misinformed topic. I think that’s all I specifically have to add onto things or just add in myself for this topic. This is all just from my experiences being very close with someone who has DID and seeing how the different alters react in person and stuff. If there is anything else to add, or if I potentially got something wrong, please let me know! I’ve also been wanting to learn more things about DID so I can better understand what my friend’s been going through so any additional information would be very appreciated :)

ik im two years late but i love how in-depth you did your research on this to completely teach the viewer about this!

As someone with DID, I want people to understand that *the people bullying* the wonderland system, or any other children who claim to have DID on TikTok, are more harmful to people with DID. There has been a huge surge in bullying of ppl with DID because of all this and it's not cool. Children are dumb, but they will learn if they are shown compassion. Bullying and aggressive behavior towards these children won't help

Whether they're faking or not, they need counseling and help.

I was diagnosed with DID at 17, and I'm still working on visualizing a inner world now at the age of 24, usually I just call it the headspace, but we break it down like a huge house with multiple rooms that can either be interior or exterior based on the alter themselves. It's not complete, and I have trouble visualizing it, but I have personally gotten better at sharing memories and communication with my alters through mediation and practice. This is the first step, btw, you have to make communication necessary. Depending on the role of the alter they may share the trauma or memories they have in whole or in parts. They may not. I have had DID since childhood, and wasn't aware of it until my diagnosis, and now have a healthier relationship with my system.

I really appreciate the thoroughness you apply to these videos, especially complex topics like DID. Using your platform to allow those with DID to speak about their experiences is so incredible? I’m just so grateful to have found your channel. I leave feeling more educated everytime.

i saw someone say “what if they actually do have did but only have like 6 alters and one of them is just a pathological liar and the other 5 alters don’t even know the tiktok acc exists🤔” and honestly i’m genuinley curious if that could happen

I have TS and the ticcing and stuttering bit caught me off guard ngl. I'm not gonna sit here and claim that they're faking it bcs hey, I've been in countless situations where people I don't even know tries to invalidate a condition that I have and suffered with for years. Tics are unpredictable, they can literally pop up whenever and emotions play a huge part in its severity. Also, not everyone tics the same. Just bcs they don't punch themselves on the throat, doesn't mean that they're faking.

THE PRINTED OUT JERMA MEME AT 11:02 im gonna cry. iconic.

(Slightly fed up) mental health professional here: DID/MPD is likely to be removed from the upcoming DSM 6. It was very nearly cut from the DSM 5. ... I cannot wait.

Do I believe they’re faking? I don’t know. Do I think they deserve the huge amount of bullying and backlash? No. They might be faking, but even so it’s hard to imagine going through the whole internet turning you into a joke, especially if they aren’t faking. I think they need to get help if they are faking, because if they are faking DID, it is for attention. Which is sad that they believe they need to go through that amount of lying to get attention. (If they are lying, which I have no opinions on because I am not a doctor, nor do I have DID)

I’ve been waiting for someone to explain this. I’ve been so confused on this situation for so long

if you're someone who's skeptical about the existence of DID (I study psych so I've read a fair amount about how DID is a controversial diagnosis), I recommend reading "Jekyll on Trial" by Elyn Saks, which is about the ethics of putting a DID system on trial if only one alter commits a crime and the others don't know. Saks is brilliant and widely renowned, and she uses her background as a psychologist, a philosopher, and a lawyer to make very thorough arguments about the existence of DID while still acknowledging counter-arguments and potential weaknesses of her own arguments. It's a difficult text to read because it can get bogged down in philosophy (what makes someone a person, what constitutes consciousness/life) and legalese, but it's worth it 100%.

I really love your respectful approach, as always. Not only you seeked out diagnosed people for their input but also opted to do research beforehand. I don't watch most videos with topics like these because they only take the situation to ridicule it and shame the person in question.

I found the interviews with people diagnosed with DID very interesting! It added something to the video (:

Just letting people know this: people can have anxiety tics and I believe trauma based tics. I don't know exactly how DID works but this could be an explanation to why one alter might have it

I just want to say on the diagnosis thing, when I was (mis-)diagnosed with a personality disorder as a teenager, my therapist very seriously did just pull out the DSM and tick off boxes without regard for what was actually going on (I had a preexisting diagnosis that explained all of the overlapping symptoms). Mental health professionals Do that, and they might not be lying, though it is a Bad way to diagnose a mental health condition, that's not necessarily on them. Also, I find it very, very unlikely that this person, along with most people who are critiqued for "faking" DID, are not mentally ill in some way. I've struggled with maladaptive daydreaming to the point of complete detachment from reality due to trauma since I was very young, and that's what a lot of this sounds like, but that's not an explanation most will come to the conclusion of. There's also a lot of other conditions and symptoms that can superficially look similar to DID, especially if dissociation IS present. I don't think this person is trying to do harm, I think they've likely been mislead by medical professionals and are young. I also think very few of the people criticising them are doing it to protect mentally ill people, as much as they are doing it because they want to have a "valid" enough reason to shit on a mentally ill person. Fake claiming is so often done by ablebodied people with no regard for how much harm it does to actual disabled people, so much more than someone faking an illness ever could.

as someone with DID, i could not even imagine talking about it to others, let alone on the internet. it’s sad to see the amount of bullying they’re facing. even if they are faking, people learn better by using kindness and compassion, not anger and hate.

tics can sometimes be psychosomatic, a lot of people have developed them after watching tiktokkers with tics. its usually people who are dealing with other kinds of mental illness. i think its also crucial to note that if someone was faking a mental illness, or believed themselves to have a mental illness that they dont really have, they are still probably not okay and need support, not to be harassed and publicly gossiped about

pls keep vocab grayson she is so fun

super informative! love that you made your biases clear & did the research. great job documenting the situation, definitely a great resource for future Internet historians 🥰

i am part of the ~planning world~ so when i saw the word "system" in the title i was expecting this to be about a planner mlm scam or something. a very different video than i expected.

My first psychiatrist did something like that misdiagnosing me as bipolar within a few months. Apparently it's a common misdiagnosis for people with OCD. Though with something so unknown it seems a bit suspicious.

As someone who has been inpatient, can confirm the story they gave is incredibly unlikely due to a couple reasons: 1. Psychiatrists in inpatient facilities are very hard to see, they're the only ones who can diagnose you and sometimes it can be a day or two of you being there at least before you can see them (and it was like that where I was when they didn't have a lot of people staying there due to covid). 2. You have to be upfront and answer all questions they ask honestly and bring stuff up to them, they aren't able to just magically look into your brain and figure it out. Oftentimes some mental illnesses can look similar to each other and the psychiatrist has to ask specific questions to parse between the possible diagnoses. For example, based on my symptoms they said I probably had anxiety but could have had MDD. But anxiety was more likely because I also have ADHD so the executive dysfunction was due to that. 3. Even if it wasn't a psychiatrist who would have noticed, most institutions will have a lot of patients in one group and the people who handle things like group and activities have to monitor that big group and won't have the time or ability to focus on particular people.

Im glad you still posted the clip! I appreciate the effort put in !!

Obsessed with the way some minor inconvenience will happen and Grayson will just ~heh heh~

as a correction, wonderland specified at some point all alters experience tics! but certain alters have more severe tics due to emotion holding, and some also prefer to edit out their tics while others think that it's unnecessary to take out something they can't help

i fucking love vixen’s jerma985 image taped on its wall. that is the peak of jerma985 core

this is great coverage of this topic- and a very refreshing one honestly. i appreciate you for not fake claiming because that really helps no one at the end of the day! the channel multiplicity and me has super amazing informative videos about DID from a professionally diagnosed system who is working as a psychologist! if anyone wants to know more- highly recommend Jess and her system.

there are reasons i deleted tiktok off my phone and one of them is cuz a lot of the discourse on it felt like tumblr back in 2014 or even earlier when i first got on in 2011/2012. because life moves in a circle i truly believe we will continue to have conversations like this and it’s good that commentary youtube is more a thing now than it was then because that discourse lived and died on tumblr and now has room to breathe.

as somebody with a dissociative disorder who recently got assessed and is now in the process of getting diagnosed, i'm glad to see some sympathy for this person in the vid and comment section. i know very well what it's like to be fakespotted - while there certainly are people who fake being systems, i much more care about the safety and comfort of people with dissociative disorders over calling out fakers. also, though there are some things wonderland sys is clearly.. not that educated on, i also have an innerworld - it's simply a mental image created to rationalize what happens when parts/alters are not fronting.

Hi! I almost never comment on someone's appearance because I feel like it's not relevant HOWEVER I have to say you are such a gorgeous person! Your hair, makeup, skin, nails, I cannot deallllll!!! Your kindness shines through and you are amazing

me being a part of a system, having tourette's, autism, and sometimes a stutter, i don't support the wonderland system. and as somebody with a stutter, it's highly obvious that their stuttering is not real. also, if you have tourette's/a tic disorder, the whole system will have tics. it's not possible for one alter to have tics, and others to not have tics. however, stuttering can occur between different alters. you made several good points, i'm grateful for you speaking up about this. i don't believe that they actually have DID, or tourette's, but i can't diagnose them. but i will say that they claimed a therapist diagnosed them, which is of course a red flag, because therapists do not have the ability to diagnose anything. only suggest things that the person may possibly be going through.

The haircut, beautiful. The makeup, beautiful. The sweater, beautiful. I’m obsessed 😍

I think it's important to not that even if they are faking, only an extremely mentally ill person in need of serious help would do something like this. Whether it's DID or not, they are suffering and deserve help and compassion. (This is not targeted to any response to them that involves the way they are damaging the DID community or spreading misconceptions, I believe those are valid and important things to discuss, ESPECIALLY coming from people with DID)

This was a very good video! I appreciate including definitions and the opinions from other systems. It’s refreshing to see videos about these subjects without outright fakeclaiming.

I actually really enjoyed this video. You brought up a lot of good points, I love Vocab Grayson, you were very respectful of the Wonderland System, and I respect that you included someone who has first hand knowledge of the disorder. Very well researched and presented my dear Grayson!

this was actually super well researched and super informative and i always love your videos on these topics - you're seriously one of the best researched and like well thought out youtubers

I've been wanting to see a good video with info about this creator and all the problematic! Thanks Grayson!! Btw u look gorgeous

As a system I am so happy to see how considerate you were!! I'm willing to answer any questions if there are any. Oh my gosh. I love this video, you described it so well and were so professional and open about this!! Thank you so much I absolutely adore this video. It's the first one I see where people don't just make uneducated guesses. This is such a non-toxic mature portrayal about the issue people with the actual disorder are struggling with. I'm so sick of people literally saying they just "get new alters" every week. Or using it as an excuse to get mad at people oh man..

As someone with experience, I thought I had DID while I was suicidal and went inpatient and went a free for low income outpatient facility, it took about 4 years till I was officially diagnosed with BPD. But I do remember when you do intake the first week they did a physical exam, a written test, and a conference. After like a bit they diagnosed me with depression and bipolar disorder type 2 because I was clearly having a manic episode during the interview. It really took a lot of visits with my social worker and my psychiatrist, not only redoing the intake tests every year till the center realized I didn’t have bipolar disorder but bpd. But for a while I did really believe I had DID and denied my BPD out of fear for being shamed for being wrong till is was painfully obvious I just had bpd. I’m not saying Wonderland is the same, but I really hope they realize while diagnoses help identify, them getting mental help is way more important than the diagnosis. Especially right now. And I hope those who were malicious to Wonderland move on quick because I can’t imagine how mentally damaging that can be.

bro I was literally going to make my first yt video ab the wonderland system but decided against it because my opinions were influencing the video too much and I'm so glad u made one. ur so good at being respectful towards the person but also providing insight and commentary

Grayson u outdone yourself in ur videos u did a science fair project for the lore, as always ofc so well explained I'm glad I got to know more about D.I.D BTW I LOVE UR BANGS

the comment sections of your videos are always the best grayson. so many interesting and engaging conversations here!! 💚

Girrrrrl you're so pretty!!! Great video, it was really interesting to see you talk to people about it. I feel like most people covering this topic don't think to actually TALK to the people in question.

My professor talked about how she had a patient with DID where one alter had diabetes and one didn’t. That’s not even something they could fake and doctors were mind blown about it.

this was extremely well developed and said. we have DID and all of this was very accurate and amazingly researched! great job, always love your videos :)

Thank you for digging into this. I started seeing people criticizing them after they'd already locked down their account, so it was hard for me to figure out what was going on.

This was really well done! I only heard of this slightly but it’s interesting to have more context, I hope someone does something similar on the Camp Averno thing, that’s something I only learnt about after and still don’t know much

Thank you for this video, you were respectful and didn't combat this issue with doubt. You took your time with research and I think you discussed this topic perfectly. :)

i love the amount of effort you put into your videos it makes them so interesting to watch :))