idk if it is intentional or not, but the way you start the video with a really friendly "uh hi! im arthur" with the everywhere at the end of time music in the background and then you start talking about all the horrific shit that happens in 40k gives your videos a really particular vibe. like you're a non-malicious warp spawn just sort of observing everything going on. this is a good thing btw
it is intentional! it weirdly enough started as a joke using Everywhere at the End of Time as my background music. but people seem to be digging it now
That one guy: "WHEN WORLD EATERS?!" Arthur: Now Everyone: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!! Thank you for highlighting the World Eaters not yet consumed by the nails. They are easy to forget about with everything else going on.
a few did that. In the Knights Errant was at least one World Eater, In Furious Abyss a whole Platoon of World Eaters fought on the loyalist side against the Word Bearers, on Istvaan III a large contingent of loyalist World Eaters fought alongside the loyalist elements of the Deathguard, Sons of Horus and Emperors Children. On several other occasions loyalist World Eaters were around
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 yep, they had the largest amount of loyalists amongst the traitor legions. Which says a lot in my opinion. If I could save just one primarch and legion that fell to chaos, it would be the world eaters.
Can't help but feel sorry for Angron, poor dude didn't deserve the shit he was put through and the Emperor just made it all even worse than it already was.
"It’s our shame to bear before the other Legions, brother. Angron was broken long before he ever reached us. Why do you think we let him beat the Nails into our heads? We hoped that by breaking ourselves on the same anvil, we’d finally feel unity with our father." - Eighth Captain Khârn to Argel Tal
And it's all the emperor's fault If the war hounds had been unleashed onto the planet to help angron and his comrades he'd have felt brotherhood with his legion
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 he did not even needed to release warhound just teleport slaves that were with him send few custodes or just release a f**king psychic sneeze and all is better
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023the planet had already began to join the imperium, it would’ve been a mess. It wasn’t right, but the Emperor did what he needed. It did nothing but fuel the rage of Angron
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
oh btw, Angron had the power to suck up the pain of his sons, both mentally and physically but with the butcher's nail in his brain that basically goes away
Fun fact, when angron/ his world eaters come in from warp on their ships, their ships scream so loud you can hear it before the world eaters themselves make planet fall. So imagine hearing a bellowing demonic roar both in space and on a planet before seeing these roid beasts from hell descend upon them.
Personally, World Eaters are my favorite of the Traitor Legions and Angron is my second favorite Primarch. Their violent depression and decent into madness is really what changed me from a Emperor worshiping loyalist to a BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE anarchist. If there ever was any doubt on if the Emperor wasn't a massive uncaring, unfeeling and just horrible father it would be Angron who embodies that basic fact.
My favorite legion. I love ultra violence but the extra bits makes them more than that. It’s like a Greek tragedy. You also gave them more than any other RU-vidrs care too. Khorne bless you and the man who got this vid made. You are a true lore hero.
The saddest part about Angron is his potential use with his psychic ability he was an empath. the reason he was captured as an infant is because a team of eldar jumped him basically right as he got out of the pod. And he basically felt every emotion they felt when he fought them. Mind you, eldar have an emotional range that humans could not even comprehend. And here you have an infant getting attacked by a whole group of them, while at the same time feeling every emotion they have as he tears them apart.
Angron and the Emperors relationship always reminded me of erebus and Argel tal. The Emperor wanted angron to forget and get over something that Angron couldn't just as Erebus kills argel tal as he couldn't let another brother die and would lose the traitors the war
I just feel bad for Angron. Of all the primarchs in the setting the universe went out of it's way to sh!t on him. It was implied that he was the primarch with healing powers but he was forced to become a mindless berserker. And then things only got worse when the emperor arrived and refused to save his comrades. Dude was basically sacrificed to chaos by the emperor. And I refuse to believe that the emperor couldn't remove the butchers nails. The emperor needed some of his sons to call to chaos so he can become a god and Angron got the short end of the stick and was beaten with it.
The way it was explained, he could probably remove the Nails given to the marines, but Angron himself had been lobotimized to make sure the implants took hold. Removing them would have killed "Angron" as a person, and there was no telling what would be left, even if the sections of his damaged brain were regrown. And, let's be clear: If the Emperor wanted godhood? *All he had to do was ask.* Lorgar would have whipped the Imperium into a pious frenzy and would have been overjoyed to have elevated his Father to true godhood. The entire 'Heresy' was born out of Lorgar being denied that very request.
@@watchm4ker "Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents. Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil." Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements If the Emperor had the power to defeat the Void Dragon C'tan and had the ludicrous foresight to know that sealing it on Mars would create the cult mechanicus then I refuse to believe that anything is beyond his power or knowledge. The Leagues of Votan prove that humanity has the ability to coexist with sentient machines. Yet the Emperor did nothing to save humanity at the height of its power, when it had the most odds of ruling the galaxy and starving out Chaos. I believe that the Emperor intended to create a religion based around himself precisely when humanity was surrounded by the most threats and had the least amount of options to fight back. Accusations of haresy prevents humanity from progressing or finding other options. And the power of ancient tech and the Emperor's association with the onmisia rewards faith based technology. Adding to humanitys reliance on faith. Loregar fell to chaos after he wrote the book that would create the imperial cult, so he served his purpose. All that was left for him was to become a sacrifice in the mythical war. Dozens of religions have some form of godly war: the Greco-Roman titanomachy, the Norse Asir and Vanir, the Christian rebellion of Lucifer. The trope of a war in heaven is tried and tested. Besides, if the Emperor relied too much on Loregar to create his religion that risks the religion centering more around Loregar than the Emperor. The Emperor picked and chose which of his sons would remain loyal (usually the strongest and most useful) and which would be sacrificed to chaos and become fodder for humanity's unifying hatred (usually the weaker or less useful.) Just look at how disorganized and undisciplined most of the traitor primarchs are. Everything was a tool to facilitate the Emperor's ascension to godhood. And not every tool is meant to last. Besides 40k is the origin of the phrase "Grim Dark" and what's more grim dark than the supposed good god of the setting being just as if not more cruel, selfish, and manipulative than the evil gods.
@@watchm4ker Thank you! I hate the dumb idea that the Heresy was caused by the Emperor to elevate him to godhood. Because, yeah, he could have just asked if he wanted. Not everything has to be a 4D chess plan. He was just a poor father and couldn't see past his own ego, thus causing resentment towards him.
@@stratigangames508 While I agree that Big E was a bad father I don't think that's all there is to it. I'm pretty sure that the Emperor knew that some of his Primarch sons would fall to Chaos, likely because that was part of the deal he had with them. But it wasn't predetermined who it would be. So when Big E found his sons he evaluated them and considered who he would rather sacrifice. Horus, Mortarion and Angron apparently made the top of the list, which explains why he behaved the way he did with them.
They can be depressing but they are often written very one note to the point we’re they make murderous rage boring. But to their credit when they are written well they are written WELL. Tbh I kinda want to know what you think of the loyalist vs traitor legion lore, as I personally think most of the loyalists except for like 3 exceptions (the white scars dark angels and ultra marines) are pretty boring if not downright badly written
From what I remember other people say, i thought that Angron had little to do with the chapter implanting the Nails; i thought that the chapter did it themselves to understand their primarch(who kept beating them to death when talked to) better and possibly have him accept them.
I can’t say I necessarily like the world eaters, but I definitely feel sorry for them unironically. Being reduced to frothing berserkers is one of the worst fates out there.
Tbh even without the Horus Hearsay I could see them being wiped out or starting a war vs Big E man if only Lorgar was stopped before turning his brother into a giant Deamon
Started playing about a year ago and World Eaters were my first army for the memes but I fell in love and ended up listening to a lot of the lore that exists for them. I really like the cat comparison when the ship starts gifting Lotara dead people haha
Man, everytime that "hi... I'm arthur" intro hits, i feel like I'm getting together with my buddy who has been waiting years to go full nerd. Love your content man, can't wait for the episode where you cover my favorite gloriously sneaky emo marines
I actually felt sorry for Angron after one of his Primarch books, don't remember the title, but he ends taking all the pain and nightmares and trauma from his gladiator family/army so they can all get a peaceful night's sleep before the decisive battle of the gladiator uprising. And then he gets taken by the Emperor and he feels his army getting slaughtered as he is powerless to do anything about it. And the Emperor wasn't going to help the rebellious gladiators on a planet that was apparently going through compliance as this was happening.
You’re my favorite creator of Warhammer content, the intro, background music, details and the amount of info that you bring to theses videos are incredible! Keep going with the good work man!
funny enough, angron migh be actualy happier than ever since when his banished for 8 weeks, Khorne himself would let be at peace for that tim, wich is bittersweet for his fate and his legion
There are several characters that align with the world eaters that you can do seperate lore videos on, one of course if Angron, second is Kharn, third is Lotara Sarrin (she is a human who aligns with the world eaters and captains the world eaters flagship called "The Conquerer"), and finally the fourth, Lord Invocatus (less lore is available on this one due to him being a character just introduced recently)
People seem to forget that World Eaters are painted red. They may not be Slaaneshi but by Ork logic, they and the Blood Angels are the fastest gits. Edit:I just remembered the next one is Ultramarines...😊
Oh boy, I can't wait to see how you'll rag on my second favorite legion with the next one. In all seriousness, good video. While I'm not much of a World Eater fan, even I can respect that they can be pretty neat and feel bad for how far they've fallen. The one warband that I do actually like is 'Gladiator Cadre 331'. They're World Eaters that have kept the original White and Blue color scheme and honor Khrone through skill at arms instead of berserker rage, looking to be the greatest duelists. Through their discipline and the keeping to the ancient ways of Nuceria, they're able to avoid succumbing to the Butcher's Nails, keeping their mental faculties and go into battle with order and cohesion. And I think that's pretty neat. It's sad there's next to no lore about them though.
I love the world eaters, they are genuinely tragic. The more you learn about what they were and could have been just makes what they currently are all the more upsetting.
i think there is note somewhere that before they met angron, or at least at first, the warhounds were super nice and polite, but got more angry and aggressive in line with their primarch as the events on nuceria took place. and then angron took control of the legion and they became THE murder f******
I've been a fan of the 40k lore for the best part of 30 years, literally three quarters of my life. I was but a youngling when I finally picked up the 2nd edition starter set and spent the next couple of years reading and re-reading the lore books they included. I loved reading when I was a kid and read a whole bunch of different stuff, but since GW started releasing novels, I've found myself reading only GW, The Horus Heresy series started 17 fucking years ago, I've basically only read that for 17 years now and have read all of them and am up to date for the finalé. World Eaters have always stood out to me for their tragic backstory, the way The Emperor treated Angron like a broken tool, when the new World Eaters stuff was released I decided to jump in as I'd been waiting 15 years for a new Berzerker kit. Now to my point, I subscribed to this channel when it was under 1k subs, I've watched every video released and I've gotta say I'm really impressed with the content, as a now older person there's very little I don't know about 40k lore but I always seem to pick up little titbits of information I never knew, which makes this channel really valuable for me, as a person who has dedicated his existence to knowing everything about 40k, instead of y'know, anything actually usefull.
So, I just commented on your Blood Angels video basically talking about the exact thing that you found so compelling about this legion. The idea of wanting to be noble, but being doomed to savagery due to your physical circumstance. A common theme that happens with the space marine legions is there will be a general theme/struggle that is kind of mirrored with two legions. One falling on each side of the source of conflict. Unfortunately, GW very much has the idea that the chaos legions are the bad guys, and so the way this plays out in almost all cases is the loyalist legion succeeds at this struggle, and the traitor legion fails. The Iron Warriors seige, while the Imperial Fists fortify. The Ultramarines organize while the Black Legion destabalizes. The Blood Angels embrace nobility while the World Eaters embrace savagery. Etc...
The saddest part is that with few tweaks, they could've been loyal. Bruthal, throthing berzerkers? - yes, but among Emperor's finest. Carcharadons Astra, Storm Wardens and Executioners could've all be World Eaters Successors (and given alkegations of Mechanicum using traitors gene seed, well might be). World Eaters indeed were off worse by finding Angron. After his life in arena, nails and betrayal by the Emperor, their fall was all but assured.
You wanna know what the worst part about Angron is? His ability was to take away the emotional baggage of anyone he touches, but when he got the Butcher's Nails, he outright lost that ability, and the same went with his Legion when they got those Nails in their heads.
Don’t know who had it worst Night hunters or World Eaters both Primarchs or sons but I’m leaning World eaters side note was great seeing Lion bash his head off with a shield
When i first got into Warhammer lore, khorne berserkers were my first legion i really knew anything about. For that, the world eaters hold a special place in my heart.
Butchers Nails by Aaron Dembski Bowden is fantastic for those who want to dip their toes into the blood of the World Eaters. it follows Angron in particular and the way it describes the effect the Butchers Nails have on him and how he reacts to justify it makes him sound very much like a drug addict.
When I heard you say "white scars" I was like "I think this guy is Canadian". Then you mentioned kilometers and I knew. Also, Blood for the Blood God. Skulls for the Skull Throne, Souls for the Red King. RAWR.
If Angrons own legion hates him right now for what he did before, imagine how much they're gonna hate him when they find out he killed Yarrick and there's a a galaxy sized WAAAAAAAAGH headed for the eye of terror.
Stick an individual from each legion and put them in a line. You know who the World Eater is because he’s trying to bite through ceremite with his teeth as five other legionaries try to hold him down.
So eh, funny story. I have such intense rage that my friends nicknamed me Angron, it just so happens that the world eaters were the first legion I learned about through the incredible narrator of Baldermort.
Angron is My favorite since hes so tragic. Nothing that happened to him was his choice, even now all he wants is to die, but that still is denied to him.
Tragedy tends to require that a character could have done better but failed. What you just described isn't really tragic it's just sad. That has its own appeal, to be sure, but could you not use the word tragic? The Thousand Sons are tragic. Maguns and Russ both failed due to their own actions, and the legion was lost to chaos. Like you said, though, nothing was Angrons choice. He never failed because at no point did anyone writing him give him the dignity of trying.
Lheorvine Ukris of the Black Legion is one of the more controlled World Eaters, and shows the best case scenario for any marine with the butcher's nails implanted. They'll still be an extremely violent lunatic, just able to remain calm so long as no one raises their voice or looks at him funny.
Kinda missed the 'roided out, bared armed look Kharn had in some older artwork. His armor was considerably less decorated and the massive two-handed chainaxe (Gorefather) said a lot for his character
"Ayyy! My boy! I can help you get out of here!" "Nah, lol, I'm ballin'." Had the Emperor allowed Angron to, in fact, ball that day, or perchance aid Angron in said ballin', many, MANY, lives would have been saved in the galaxy.
Lol he never grouped up they’d catch up to him when he stopped, now he doesn’t stop and neither do they, honestly they are probably closer to their primarch then they ever where.
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I don't have any issue with the world eaters, and kharne before he lost his mind was an incredibly interesting character. Him and argel tal was like the coolest bromance ever. To the point where erabus killed argel tal because kharne would not become the kharne we know if he was allowed to have a single friend in the entire galaxy. That is literally one of the saddest stories I have ever heard. That said I'm not an angron fan. I'm interested in who angron would have been if not for the butchers nails. I would have been interested in how he would have used that empathic ability. But now he's just an asshole with a massive migraine who can't even think anymore. He's the only primarch who didn't wind up ruling their planet. He didn't even get out of slavery. The sad part of angron is that before he even fell, he wasn't a person anymore. He was a tool. And not like the insult, he is literally a tool to be used to kill people. I can't imagine what it's like to be a guy who started as a superhuman empath who became an angry guy who can't even have a single thought other than murder
‘I am Inzar of the Seventeenth Legion. Hear me and heed me. Rise, and we can end this. We are so close…’ The World Eater seemed to understand. He reached out a hand, as if to make an oath. Inzar took it. ‘Burn.’ The World Eater pulled on the preacher’s hand as he brought the axe up, chain teeth revving. There was no resistance, the chainaxe went through the joint like it went through bone, and it went through bone like water. Inzar staggered back, his arm amputated at the elbow, and crashed into another warrior behind him. He had a fraction of a second to see the Death Guard he’d backed into, going down beneath the hacking axe of another World Eater. It was a scene repeated in woeful plenitude wherever Inzar turned. The World Eaters were falling upon their own allies, howling, cutting, killing. Blood for the Blood God. Kill. Maim. Burn. Skulls for the Skull Throne. also: ‘You served well, Gharte.’ Khârn disengaged the seals at the warrior’s throat, lifting the helm clear. There wasn’t much left of the sergeant’s face. Something must have reflected in Khârn’s expression, for Gharte made his devastated face into something like a grin. ‘That bad, eh?’ he asked. His gurgling laughter became another cough. Khârn’s reply was solemn obedience. He held the gladius above Gharte’s left eye, its point a finger’s breadth above the dilated pupil. ‘Any last words?’ ‘Aye. Piss on Angron’s grave when he finally lies dead.’ Khârn wished he’d not heard those words, either. Reading of the world eaters is reading misery porn after misery porn
8:35 20 kilometer per hour? It's even scarrier when you find out space marines can easily reach 70 kmph and that's when they're not in a berserker rage fiending for a kill.
Angron is probably my favorite of the traitor primarch for the sole reason that he is also the most honest. Of all the primarchs. Dorn talks the talk but Angron walks the walk, because unlike Dorn he doesn't even lie to himself. He is a monster and he knows it, and he doesn't try to pretty it up or disguise it behind noble sounding horseshit. He is what the world made him without pretense.
Personally I think that 'Angron - The Red Angel' captured quite well a lot of core details about the World Eaters. How do they get new recruits? By simply installing the Nails into more or less willing traitor marines. Everything else doesn't matter, not even the gene seed, the Nails are a far more defining feature for them, their strength and their crux. Their relationship with their father is one of both love and hatred, they flock to him when he materializes in real space like moths to the flame, drawn in by instinct to fight with him, along side him, or even against him, they can't help but answer his call. Some, like Kossolax, utterly despise him and would like to destroy him if it were possible, others flock to him because the blood in their veins calls out to their genefather. All seem to wish to fight him to some degree or another, and there's always a certain underlying tone of hatred. Where are they now? Broken is probably the easiest answer, and Angron keeps breaking them at every turn whenver there may be a chance of them reforming into a more cohesive army, if maybe not a proper legion anymore. The best example for this and in general the saddest insight into how some of the World Eaters have fallen may be my favourite character from the novel, Shâka Bloodless. He cannot die due to a curse, he has been transformed into a half daemonic beast and he is utterly and completely mad and hates himself absolutely. He has been trying to drown his memories in blood and insanity for 10.000 years, to forget that he was once supposed to be one of mankinds angels, before Angron broke his legion with the Nails and because he cannot die and the Nails constantly wreck his brain to the point where he blacks out and starts to vomit, all he can do is kill, for a simple lack of any other option. You really get the feeling that his rage is driven as much by despair as it is by simple blood lust because beneath it all, he subconciously still knows how far he has fallen, how broken he is and what a miserable wretch he has become, despite being a 4 meter tall, winged, nigh-immortal engine of destruction. That novel had me feel pity for a being that by every definition was a monster, because of how utterly miserable he was in the end and how he silently regretted ever turning his back on the Emperor.
Just remember it was the eldar hit team that made angron weak enough to be enslaved in the 1st place to damn angron who inturn damn his legion with the nails
That the Butcher's Nails could not have been removed from Angron feels very unsatisfying. With Peterturbo and Magnus around there must have been a way to get the three ttogether and remove them from Angron. Perturabo would have immideatly understood the butcher's nails and Magnus could have used his magic to circumvent any compications in the surgery that would have harmed Angrons mind or body
I always found the analogy that the World Eaters were a scalpel or some other piece of medical equipment being used to just commit the most abhorrent and gruesome acts of gratuitous violence imaginable.
