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My favorite part of the lore is Jaghatai Khan arguing with Malcador about the Imperial Truth being complete bullshit because they both knew that there are evil *things* in the warp. The White Scars' stormseers knew that the warp was dangerous and while they used it for all it was worth, they did so with caution and restraint. They were what the librarius was meant to be.
my favorite part is when Jagatai argue with Filgrim, F: "I heard you did strange things to your ships.... ;) ;) ;)" J:"I heard you dud strange things to your warriors :P :P :P"
Also, their homeworld was one of the few that was not completely annihilated and made into a living nightmare by the age of strife, to the point that they didn't really understand the reason for hiding the truth of the warp. They were sheltered from the worst of it, and their culture and shaman traditions kept them safe from chaos corruption. Overall, one of my favorite loyalists factions.
I think the white scars are a perfect representation of the political satire in warhammer The fact that chaos was held at bae by simply not being a fucked up society. There is no need for the imperium to be as bad as they are. They are only feeding the thing they are trying to fight. The best way to fight chaos seems to be to simply stop fighting
@@rikifromplanetk8305Maybe but then other gods get fed. More like going with the Khan and just not hiding Chaos from the people. Educate and train them and have a lil faith in them instead of just leaving them unaware and unguarded from the powers of the Warp
If you can see us, we are dangerous indeed. But that is nothing to the peril you face if you cannot see us, and all you can hear is our laughter. -White Scars Proverb
Jaghatai is such a cool primarch. The white scars represent the very best of the Horus heresy. Going from a relatively bland and forgotten space marine chapter to having a incredibly fleshed out culture and great characters. Same with the thousand sons, ultramarines, and alpha legion. Space marine lore became much richer thanks to the lore expansion that came with the expanded backstory of the heresy.
Jaghatai Khan being one of the few loyalist primarchs who's able to see right through the Emperor's extreme bullshit and lies and call it out without being some raging nutjob or hyper dramatic fanatic like several of the traitors and a few loyalist primarchs (disregarding the hypocritical ones or blindly loyal ones) makes me both respect him a great deal but also just genuinely like him. He might not stand out, but damn if you don't notice his absence when he is legit gone.
His whole argument with the Emperor where he talks about the longer you keep up the lie the greater the anger of those you fooled when the truth comes out and a number of other things was honestly just incredibly unironically based. He was completely right but the Emperor is the type to just have supreme confidence he can handle the backlash and keep doing it his way anyways.
My man did it, he finally covered the best legion around. Jaghatai is easily the best primarch. Literally seems to be the ONLY one with a brain out of all of his brothers
I'd say Jaghatai's biggest strength can also be his greatest weakness. By that, I mean that he keeps his cards a little _too_ close. He's always been a lone wolf, very self-reliant, never really opening up to anybody. He's aloof in ways Corvus could only _dream_ of being. We as outside observers have the benefit of knowing that he's a pragmatic loyalist, but we have to remember that nobody else in the story knows that. To everyone else, Jaghatai is a total wildcard who often can't be relied on in uncertain times. It's also worth noting that when you make yourself hard to read, you're not just difficult for your enemies, you're also difficult for your friends. It's extremely hard to support someone who tells you so little about himself.
That would be so cool. like imagine if a portal opens up, all the Dark Angels are hype as all hell to see their gene daddy come out. Cut to their looks of utter depression as they hear the revving of a motorcycle blaring.
Dude really is the king of burns in the 40k universe. Khan just straight up smokes Mortarian's ass. ‘I should have taken on the Legion Master. I should have fought Typhon.’ Then later, "'I… absorbed,' Jaghatai rasped, 'the… pain.' Mortarion halted. 'What do you mean?' 'I… know,' Jaghatai said, his voice a liquid slur. 'The Terminus Est. You… gave up. I… did not.' And then he grinned - his split lips, his flayed cheeks, his lone seeing eye, twisting into genuine, spiteful pleasure. 'My endurance is… superior.' Khan rules so hard.
the music in the background makes it feel like you're just casually sipping burbon and smoking a cigar while talking about the white scars to a rich dude.
Emperor recruiting every other primarch: "I will first teach you the Imperial ways and strategies, you're world will enter the fold and then you may integrate into the legion." Emperor recruiting the Khan: * sees a bunch of pre-industrial mongolian nomads crusading across the plains on horseback while metallica plays in the distance * "You're good to go. Heres a legion and a space fleet."
Their chill factor, to me, was what made me decide to chose them as my army rather than the Space Wolves. Chris Wraight did a phenomenal job fleshing out their lore in Scars. Also, painting white is a pain but super rewarding. I’m currently working on my outriders. I’m using Gryph Charger grey for a more cool white scheme vs. warm/eggshell white.
I don’t think Jaghatai pretends to be a savage or a barbarian to help hide his true intentions & nature. I think Jaghatai Khan does not do this. I think he is just forthcoming about who and what he is and people assume he is a barbarian. It would be an easy assumption to make about him and his warriors. A heavy, foreign accent. Imperfect spoken gothic. The animal skin and fur clothings. The heavy scars across the face and body which betrays a life of struggle in untamed lands rife with danger. The necklaces made of bones. Displays of skulls on their armour. And so on. They make no illusions about what they are. If the Space Wolves are barbarians, which they are, then the White Scars would be what you might consider civilized barbarians.
This is a very well thought out take, I actually appreciate this perspective? It does make sense for them to be the more civilized versions as their upbringing seemed to have a lot of similarities
Jaghatai and the Scars are a lot like the Leagues of Votann in that they are perfectly happy with letting people be wrong about them. Why stop your enemy from making a fatal mistake?
They may not put up a facade around being barbarian, but they love being seen as barbarians. Because that is a tactically superior position. an enemy would expect a blind charge, only for their commander to be assasinated, their supply lines cut, and flanked from all sides. and the last words they hear is a "barbarian" quoting the 40k equivalent of shakespear in broken english.
in fact.... the Khan was super annoyed by this prejutice and sterotype, he made his astertes gone study philosophy, art, poetry and a whole lot of other things, so white scars marines are said to be in reality among some of the most educated astrties
I love Dorn, Sigismund, The Fists, and the Black Templars, but I have a cat named Jaghatai. The Khan is by far the most well-adjusted Primarch, and the only one you could chill with. The White Scars lose so much in the transition to 40k. Chris Wraight comes out of nowhere and dares you not to fall in love with the space mongolians during the heresy. Their dedicated novel arc is short, but one of the best. I dare you not to cry at the climax of Path to Heaven when the Khan makes his big speech. They're also incredibly cooler in 30k when the Imperium wasn't busted broke and all of them rode jetbikes. wheels are for losers. Their cavalry charge in Saturnine is dope. The whole idea of turning fighting into an artform and therefore a source of joy such that the ideal white scar laughs as he sheds the blood of his enemy - that idea is one of the coolest in this whole setting thing. The khan is also the only primarch who can pull-off looking badass without his powerpack/power armor.
Anyone think there is something about the Khan being forgotten/disregarded as one of his features? Even the lore around him is vague and ignored. In the heresy he was barely even considered by the traitors or loyalists and it wasn't until Rus was desperate that he even remembered Khan existed.
White Scars were my fav right out the gate getting into 40k because SPEED. But after getting into the lore I was very happy to find out my intuition was right, and they're the best legion along side the Salamanders
Realistically speaking, The White Scars would probably be the best Space Marines Chapter/alegion to join. Almost all of the others would turn you into a servitor if you failed but it at least seems like The White Scars don't do that. Not to mention that they are probably some of the most, if not the most, respectful of all the Space Marines. Salamanders are a close second.
I know the white scars aren't usually a super popular Legion, but dude as a fan of the books first, the white scars are badass! They are among my top 4or 5 favorite legions. The way they do things is cool as hell, they are the only Legion who focused on being unnaturally fast, and their librarians brand of magic is literally storm magic. Not to mention the white armor is pretty slick too. I like jaghatai quite a lot too as he's a unique primarch. I like in their first horus heresy book they're talking about which primarch would beat the other in a duel and he basically tells em he'd whip their asses because they don't know anything about him, but they're all so loud about their achievements that he knows EVERYTHING about them. Especially fulgrim, who I once again, hate. He's the first person that I see calling fulgrim a peacock to his face. Jaghatai is the most underrated primarch of them all. Also yesugei, their main librarian, was just cool as hell. I mean they laugh while killing their foes. That's just badass. Also he is one of the few primarchs that will value the opinions and guidance from a mortal human being. They brought in a woman from the administratum to help them improve logistics in the Legion and she became one of his chief advisors. Similar to how guilliman had euton as a mother, jaghatai had this woman whose name escapes me. She wasn't there as long as euton so she wasn't a mother figure but he held her wisdom as near equal to his astartes advisors. That's just not super common
@karambiatos that's right, they call her zhu. She all but saved the legion when jaghatai was on Prospero. Takes a lot of guts to walk into a massive astartes on astartes battle. She was a pretty cool character and the dialog between her and jaghatai, yesugei, and shiban was pretty incredible to read. They are very closed off from outsiders and she managed to break thru that. This Legion just has a very unique culture and way of living that I really like. And they are so under rated in how dangerous they are
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 I like the white scars the most or at least i feel they are written the best, like real humans that have some depth to them, a lot of other space marine stuff is all written dead pan robots stupid ones at that.
@karambiatos I mean I love a lot of space marines and they have a ton of good characters with a lot of depth. But I can understand saying that about minor barely named ones. There are Def some that are just "generic soldier" but I think that's because that's technically the role they are playing. But I agree with you that I don't think I can think of a single white scar that gave me that impression. They all did feel like unique characters with depth that separates them from everyone else. I like the salamanders in a similar way. They're both kind of the opposite of say the imperial fists or the ultramarines. Don't get me wrong some of my favorite characters come from those 2 legions, but they both certainly embody the typical soldier persona sometimes. They also give us guys like Thiel, pollux, and sigismond tho. Who are all fascinating.
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 I have the most issue with ultramarines especially some of their books are an absolute slog to get through even an audio book because there's 0 interesting character development, and white scars for example force writers to inject more emotions because they have to make them laugh when fighting. Of course there are some amazing ultra marines books, but there are some that are just snoresville mostly the ones that are just battle, battle, battle.
Definitely one of the armies I would be involved with in 40k. If I ever got super into it as far as to pick up the table top games. What's more terrifying than the sound of Jolly cooperation before death? Love him because it's REALLY obvious who he wouldn't have gone to if traitor. But he's the complete opposite of Korne(y) ways.
Jagathai I think is the dark horse of the primarchs. He pretty much came from no lore to being a total badass by the end of the Horus Heresy and the more I read about him the better it becomes. I really do hope he comes back to spank Morty again.
The first army I played and the only Space Marines I don't find atrociously boring. The fact that I was pissing off Ravenwing players back in 3rd didn't hurt either.
Also I don’t remember which story it is, but in the “Endless War” audio collection; there is a story of one of the Khans dueling with a Blood Angel or Soace Wolf Captain that has their weapon chained to their gauntlet. The Khan is wielding a Guandao, the other Captain a sword. Their dueling to reenact a tradition from when their respective Primarchs were bitching over which one of them got the final honor kill in some old campaign. Anyway, it’s a really cool story and both the Captains have good perspectives as to why the sword should or should NOT e chained to his gauntlet. Awesome video 🫡
Loving your videos man. Came across your channel a few days ago and was surprised to see you only started uploading a month ago, your quality makes it out like you've been doing it for a while. Keep it up, you're doing great!
iirc it's that the remembrancer could not pin down his nature and jims space is like that's his nature - he's such a free spirit he is completely unpredictable.
one thing in the lore is that Jagatai Khan was extremely annoyed that most other primarch viewed him and his astertes to be barbaric brute and stuff, so in the intiation and training of white scar he also put an heavy enphisis on education of traditions, philocophy and art (for example White Scar astartes have to know colligraphy, poetry, and philosophy and other form of art, and humanism studies), that his marines got to have hobbies that builts charecter when they do not fight or do training drills
Love these video’s man, keep it up. Though I’m wondering, any plans for xeno based videos anytime soon or are you focusing exclusively on mankind for the moment?
The wisest Primarch & he's a top tier fighter also. Honestly I'd put him just below The Lion and above Fulgrim with fighting abilities, whilst having the brains above Dorn and just below Guilliman. Overall he is my Top 3 best loyal Primarchs list. Only below Sangy and Guilliman when it comes to what Primarchs are best for the Imperium overall. He rides out in the Siege of Terra to save civilians when told he'll probably die. Also he has the best verbal burn in 40k history. Fulgrim "I hear you do strange things to your ships"? Khan "I hear you do strange things to your warriors"? 🔥🤣 And yes, I think the Khan would decimate Fulgrim in a 1 on 1. His speed is insane. He turns into a blur of blades when fighting some hefty Orks & the Orks try to flee because they are getting decimated by him that fighting no longer becomes pleasurable from an Ork point of view...imagine...
He's the thinking Primarch. When the Heresy happened, he didn't know the situation, so he checked. Went to Prospero and cased the situation. Also part of his legion went traitor and tried to take the rest of the legion with them while he was away, trying to force their primarch to turn traitor by turning his legion. Didn't work out for them...
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Ironically the legion known for being completely out of the way happened to be the first I studied about, if just for seeing cool motorbikes and thinking “might be cool”. As a Fallout fan the reference to real world Great Khans was not lost on me, and Jaghatai was the guy that really made the Horus Heresy click for me and turn history into storytelling. He was basically a sidequest alongside the major events of the conflict, his relative neutrality serving as a case study for the Imperium’s philosophy. Also his rivalry with Mortarion is raw as fuck, that decimation of Fulgrim’s masculinity was only 2nd place.
may be a few weeks off lol Considering they are the last chapter, but I feel I am going to learn a lot, then the final sentence of the book says "or that could all just be a lie/psyopp we want you to believe"
The Warhawk has been lucky to have such good writers to portray him. He is a beast. You may have some reputation as a swordsman. But HE would leave you choking on it.
actually since we have all these cool contrast paints that make the job easier I really consider painting a white scars boarding patrol, although I always wasn't the fan of painting white color
I love the white scars and totally wanted to play them the first time I saw them but like you sed the white is hard as shit to work with so I picked the dark hunters stealthy white scars who hate orcs but paint their armour a dark shadowy blue.
Old vid and not important, but I love talking about the Alpha Legion. Theu *do* fight like space marines, and very well. They just spend several years before the fight laying the groundwork in secret.
Isn’t Doomrider’s head on the wall in their fortress monastery? It’s, like, taxidermied on a mount and just screams about cocaine all day? Could be wrong, but I hope I’m right.
