No way, the worst players have like 50 apm, floats thousands of minerals, queue up workers and then leave all of them sitting idle outside the cc for minutes.
That sounds like me. Sou you are saying I wouldn't be the absolute bottom of the barrel and might win a match once in a while then? If so I just might give it a shot.
Builds are sharp but they're basically playing solo for 15mn straight. And then Protoss a-clicked a gateway army with no spells and no splash into a Terran fortress and insta-lose... If it's not F rank, at least it's F as Failure.
100% Smurfs of some kind. Terran maintained 400 APM throughout the game. I don’t think either were high level Smurfs, but Terran looked B to A, and Protoss looked E-D.
@@TheMattman06 I have no idea how good that Terran was, he could be higher than B rank and he's just being really lazy. Something like attacking with only tanks or not being bothered to build workers is one of the laziest things I've ever seen lmao
The fact they're leaving a third of their matches is a big indicator they're intentionally smurfing. Real F rank players do not that clean and with that high apm. Around 1000 MMR is where the real lowest ranked players hang out.
It's not just an indicator, that's simply what it means. If you throw matches then you are smurfing because you're putting your rating below where it'd be if you actually tried. This guy throws A LOT so he's obviously much better than his rating would imply.
As someone who is F-D rank skill level I can say my ladder experience has been mostly terrible facing a smurf atleast 50% of the time who is way better than what an F-D rank should be... Is there anywhere to play versus similar skill players (I live in North America) more consistently or is it just RNG if you're going to face a smurf no matter how low rank you are?
Yo come back here at January and we can play some, I'm not sure what rank I would be bec I was always playing with one of my friends but hey, we could play few games :D
As an actual F rank player, I can tell you my APM rarely goes above 60, let alone maintaining 200+ for the whole game. Smurf v. Smurf I’m afraid. You should totally cast a T3 CPL game or something for an actual bottom-tier-player experience; that I think would be really interesting, to see you cast a low-skill game and maybe give some constructive input
As someone who is F-D rank skill level as you I can say my ladder experience has been mostly terrible facing a smurf atleast 50% of the time who is way better than what an F rank should be... Is there anywhere to play versus similar skill players (I live in North America) more consistently or is it just RNG if you're going to face a smurf no matter how low rank you are?
@@Raithed They were not spaming,they had excellent macro and awareness of the game,those players are both A or S rank. One of them had 300-400 APM and didnt make a wrong click whole game -_- Artosis is trolling or smth. This was smurf vs smurf
i think its real, a A rank terran, a normal terran person have closer to 4000 apm, though most are thoughts and strategy, with about half of them being keyboard inputs. We terrans solve world-hunger and cure cancer while we play. edit: playing a B-rank game as terran, back in 2000s I solved racism while playing.
“At this low level in the ladder, something very interesting happens.” Don’t you miss the days when “interesting things” at the bottom of the ladder actually meant something like a pre-smartphone kid with an ID like “enTaroTassadar” building scouts off of one base?
I played in the 90s, I didn't figure out I should build a second base, until I went to a friends house to play (and I took my computer with me, I'm not shitting you) and he destroyed me in like 5 minutes. The he showed me his map and I was "oh....".
These players are A and above. Ive recently played with a friend whos new to starcraft. New players have maybe 20 apm and hover 1k minerals after 2 minutes. No way this is bottom of the barrel.
New players dont play enough to drop MMR as much.... Just because you guys are bad doesn't mean everyone you encounter is a smurf lmao. You guys are just hilariously bad
20+ years ago I used to be really good at this game. Bought my first computer, a Gateway desktop, just to play this under the guise I needed it for college. Now watching these games I think to myself even the worst players could probably kill me, smurf or no smurf.
@@rymegkasri fair enough, when i started playing broodwar i was masters in sc2 and was getting outmacroed by players in D and C rank even months into me adjusting to broodwar. Nothing like sc2 ladder.
That Terran had 400 apm which is better than Arty. A real F rank, like if I was playing, would be pushing 70 apm, still clicking to build, probably has original keybinds, and would have great pauses in their actions figuring out what to do as they're used to playing vs CPU.
As I fired up this video I was watching an ad on my mobile game and it turned out to be an ad for a game called Age of Apes and now I can't stop laughing.
They were both surprisingly good. I was expecting them to have like 40 APM, not know build orders, build like 30 workers, have thousands banked at around 10 mins because they can't macro, and for the fights to be total clown shows. No way either of them are amongst the worst players of the game, but then if the Protoss player leaves most of his games before they even start then that would explain why he's at the bottom despite being able to do some pretty solid stuff (knows build orders, building placement, pylon walls, doesn't float too many minerals, ok-ish production). He really should've just recalled, instead of wasting his army on a frontal attack.
Most people have been pointing this out, but they're very likely smurfs. This is either a satire video, or it genuinely never crossed Artosis' mind that they're smurfs.
There has to be players worse than these two, people who just started playing SC and don't know what the units or buildings do. These guys would probably beat me. 😅
the most frustrating part of learning this game is not being able to actually play it, not cause you can't find a match but because everyone leaves all the time. It gets to the point where you aren't even ready to play because you're expecting to have your opponent leave, and then you're like oh im actually gonna play this shit through whoah that's crazy
Plot twist - we just watched the third match in a row of Rain vs JyJ. Now featuring their smurfing accounts and little gameplay tweaks, so they're not so easily detected. Now think about it ... why does Rain sometimes disappears for months ? While a 700 MMR account with 200 APM plays hundreds of games ? Coincidence ? I THINK NOT! Now really... either all casual players left the ladder or these players are smurfs (of course, I don't really think they're Rain and JyJ). True casual players don't play like that. Not even close.
Way to go to discourage me from playing ladder again myself. Haven't played in years and just watching how these guys play, I'm sure I would lose to either of them. 8[ When I last played on a good day I had maybe ~100 APM but usually less than that. Here's an idea: I download the game, play a game on the ladder and then you'd have a replay of what real low-level play looks like! :o
I'm on the same page. I quit because I was getting smashed somewhere between F and E rank, even though I know the build orders and strats and I macro reasonably well.
They are smurfs.... I have only played 7 games (that were actually played, all losses), and 7 games where they instantly leave so my ELO is way too high for my skill level, and it won't go down unless I also partake in this practice of insta leaving...
Bro, he has 700 MMR. To get there you need to play hundreds of games, even if you lose all you games you still be better than 1000 MMR play who didnt play any games. So bottom of the ladder has no relation to weakest on the ladder.
I have an 8-year-old son [Protoss], who is trying to play the ladder (because he grew up watching me play [1200 Zerg]). Unfortunately, on his first 5 establishing games, he had 3 DC's, and they stuck him at 1400. I think he's finally down around 1000. Still, it's been a lot of fun watching him trying to figure out build orders, and how to attack, etc. He's very receptive to advice, etc. At this point, he would lose to either of those players. I'm making him watch this video, because I'm hoping it inspires him.
Come on Arty. even at the beginning you mentioned how each player leaves games early. That wasn't a red flag for smurfing? If F rank has 400+ APM players then what hope do any of us have to pick this game up again?
If you don'r purposefully tank your MMR you will see guys like this in maybe 1 of 20 games. Best way to start is to play 1v1 vs other Noobs from discords like CPL, but ladder is not full of these players. There are actual noobs on the ladder at 800-1100 MMR. I was one of them a few years ago :D
Easy to do that when the opponent doesn't put any pressure on your bunker but instead uses a slow dragoon to chase a vulture in the middle of the map, AFTER investing in range, which enables you to out-range the bunker 💀💀
Seddsa is better than me that's for sure 😆 but honestly this was an interesting game to watch. They don't seem like terrible players of a highly competitive game. A bit slower than the pros, and a lot less harrassment, but overall an interesting game to watch given the context!
Cool match, my struggle has always been mid to ĺate game and too much stuff to control tgat i cant ... its a super fun game that i played 20 years ago and just got back into it... thanks Artosis for the upkeep
When I played on Iccup a very long time ago for the first time I was D- and had a record of about 50 wins and 200 loses. So I respect the grind of this guy. I joined a weak team, got a better player to teach me, watched tons of casts and analyzed my replays. It took 2 years to get to C and then another year to get to B-. From there I became stale and it took quite along time to get to A. This game is hard. Realizing how hard this game is to go into from no experience to online matchmaking I made a RU-vid channel that specializes in the very basics of the game.
@@sebastianosuch273 Yeah, you grind thousands of hours, and still get stressed, and you will still suck. It's a game that requires the same time and dedication it takes to graduate from university to get good at, probably even more.
This Terran player must be hovering around B/A/S rank. He can nail a double armory build pretty well and knows how to properly place mines/position tanks all the while taking bases in a timely and safe manner. Barely floats any money up until 10 minutes and has great scv production. As to the Protoss player: knows how to clear mines, add a lot of gateways and tech to arbiters but his probe production is lacking so looks like a D/C rank player.
Like others have said, seems to be smurf vs. smurf. However, I'd love to see more low elo games, perhaps even a series that's similar to low elo legends which T90 produces. Would be awesome to have a collaboration between Artosis and T90!
It may be good to not get the lowest ranking players, like other commenters mention these players are likely smurfs, but go a little higher on the ladder (though still low) and hopefully that'll be a better representation of players that are trying but actually have fundamental issues with their skill levels.
My friend sent me this with the comment that Artosis made a video about me. My friend is seddsa. He loves tanking his mmr. He's a masters in SC2 or he was until he tanked that too. He also plays AoE2 and AoE4. He likes to just leave matches until he gets the match up he wants on map he wants. He also likes to draw out games as long possible. He used to do this thing where he would split maps with cannons in SC2 and go mass air and play a 60 minute game. He also likes to drag out games and just quit them just before his opponent does.
I average around F-E and maybe D sometimes and yes, people leaving early is extremely common. It's why I haven't gotten too high up in the ladder as I can't be bothered to play it when I know most people will leave or I get ZVZ. Smurfs tanking their mmr is also issue too. I used to play Sc1 1v1s all the time around 2017-2020 but not so much and most of those games were on custom hosted games "1v1 Fighting Spirits Noobs Only" Used to host these all the time as I could control and determine if someone was a smurf trying to get for a easy win or not, whether they came as a barcode or they have a crazy good winrate with thousands of games were usually how I determined that.
@@dimitriuss I leave ZvZ games because they are boring. I don't play Starcraft to be a pro gamer, I do it as a hobby. Besides, ZvP and ZvT are what I wanna improve at, not so much ZvZ. So if I get a ZvZ most of the time, I simply leave. As of writing that comment, and watching this video, however, I have been trying to play the ladder again out of motivation. As of right now, I left the one ZvZ game I got today but I'll try stomach those games, as it wouldn't be fun for those who have to re-queue. No promises though.
As once a 800mmr player here , i would tell you those instant left game are because system put them with afk bots once their mmr drop below 1000 to boost them up. But it still waste like minutes of yours to scout and kill them so most of the time I would left too. True story
As a new sc1 player, i noticed that most of the players even on low level, play relatively good. They do these moves like transfering workers, drops and recalls (so friking many drops and recalls). Literally everybody plays some build. And here a come with my freestyle and just kinds watching where it goes. Want to train some macro. That power of ac1 noobs must be meaning there are very few sc1 players who don't watch youtube casts and play just for fun (like there are some total noobs in sc2 who really obviously play just to relax 😅 )
I was kinda expecting like a 4 pool and then attack move and quit. SCV Rush, meet in middle. This was very competent - if not pro level - Starcrafting.
I’m easily the worst on the ladder with 60-100 apm. That barcode Terran had 400apm, no way was he F rank! Protoss guy probably would beat me 6/7 days of the week. This was a cool change of pace Artosis! It would be cool to keep tabs on our F rank hero once every season.
I tried to pick StarCraft back up recently, but it's impossible to get into it via the Ladder. My opponent would either immediately leave, or completely crush me into oblivion. I get that I suck, but it was pretty discouraging seeing that I must have been the ONLY noob trying to play.
I have recently started playing sc1 and I confirm - people on these ranks insta-leave like A LOT. Mostly it happens when I play random or there are tvt matches 😂
My take on the low-score is - there were parts of gameplay missing. No harrasment, no mineral line attacks, no shuttle. They memorized these ultra high-class techniques but ultimately fail to see why they are used. Repeating what the pros do is not a good way to climb. Take inspiration but ultimately use your head.
I just won my first 2 games in F rank! I started laddering a week ago. Its been a dream of mine to play broodwar online since i was a kid. I would love to see more f rank games
That was way better than I expected. Micro and Macro weren't amazing, but it seemed like they knew what they were doing/wanted to do. I've seen a lot worse
