The Worst of EVERY Smash Ultimate Move

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There aren't a whole lot of truly awful moves in Super Smash Bros Ultimate, which makes wading through a list to find the worst of them quite a challenge. I accept!
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@MrMockRock 4 года назад

*This list has been updated! Check out a retrospective going over the new list with all DLC and character patches in place:* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aMnE5qAjGhE.html

@hun3408 4 года назад

Thanks for your hard work! 👍

@justicetaylor2695 4 года назад

Jigs Yes, but not in a vacuum like he said at the start. We're assuming a down air like Sonic's doesn't come with an extremely high up B. In addition, it is worse then everyone else's.

@richpichu1272 4 года назад

MockRock buff the pits !!!

@josephwu3241 4 года назад

I'm a Ganon main, I saw this video and thought VOLCANO KICK great video btw

@liamkilraine4246 4 года назад

Q wud heros up smash be able to crit

@MishKoz 4 года назад

I remember reading a comment about Yoshi basically saying "It would be a direct buff to Yoshi if side-B did absolutely nothing" mostly because you'd have less risk of messing up egg throws with up-B.

@Blackacre438 4 года назад

as a yoshi main i can confirm this is true. You'd also be able to more reliably b-reverse egg lay

@nousername191 4 года назад

I think I saw that line in Reddit.

@empoleon7750 4 года назад

I can’t even begin to count how many stocks I’ve lost when I went to input a straight Egg Throw and input Egg Roll instead.

@yosquispie159 4 года назад

Egg roll has 0 application and its existence makes me sad

@dddmemaybe 4 года назад

@@yosquispie159 you just eat it

@The2flame 3 года назад

“Worst down special is Ridley skewer” Ridley mains: Oh don’t worry, we know... but were still gonna use it

@TheTrueBrawler 3 года назад

I think that had this video come out after Byleth was released, his Amyr would be picked instead of Skewer. Amyr has a 62 frame startup and deals 30%. Just for reference, this is slower than a Volcano Kick (60 frame startup) and deals only slightly more damage than a Falcon Punch (28%). Skewer is one of the more applicable "Big Moves" in Ultimate due to its comparably low startup, poor (but not horrendous) safety on miss/shield, and insane damage despite it's lack of ability to kill, whereas Amyr is just another Warlock Punch with some extra aerial coverage and slightly additional utility if used on a platform. It clearly overthrows Skewer for the title.

@theillusionist1494 3 года назад

TheTrueBrawler I’d agree, but I think the versatility of the full shield-break potential, and the ability to turn around and drop through platforms, makes it a bit of a coin toss. They’re both clearly risky moves, both have artificially less risk than other similar moves, both for different reasons. I still might pick Skewer for the spot, but they’re such drastically similar moves with drastically different applications, I don’t think either of them is a clear “worse” option.

@TheTrueBrawler 3 года назад

@@theillusionist1494 Both have effectively equal reward for varying reasons, but with these moves and how useful they are in practice, speed is literally everything, and no that is not an exaggeration. The Big Moves video MockRock showed demonstrated how even a Falcon Punch struggled to connect even with a hard roll read. The timing is extremely specific as even a few frames late will allow opponents to act before the move connects and even a few frames early will make the move fail to connect at all. The lesser aspects of Ganon's Kit are much slower than the Falcon Punch, and even Volcano Kick (the faster of the two moves) only works on opponents if they're stunned in game, holding a broken controller, aren't paying attention to the game itself, have never seen the move before, or are mentally handicapped in a way that slows their reaction times to a crawl. Amyr is even slower than Volcano Kick. Anyone playing the game will be able to recognize that an Amyr will be thrown out over half a second before it actually is. Even if an opponent rolled in or entered your general vicinity via some sort of burst movement option and missed, they still have more than enough time to do a lot. Opponents can run away then run back to combo you by 40% to 50%, jump over you and charge a smash attack, grab and throw you to a bad position, use some sort of counter to block the hit, et cetera. Amyr's shield breaking potential covers only one option out of the dozens upon dozens which the opponent can commit to, and the whole "I should shield this, oh no..." won't work on decent opponents more than once, maybe twice, and the platform drop mix up is extremely situational. The flaw that makes Amyr almost completely useless in even mediocre level play, however, doesn't apply to Skewer. It comes out twice as fast, making it applicable for reads of all kinds, tech situations, and certain whiff punishes. The only real benefits Amyr has over Skewer is its aerial coverage and niche mix up capabilities. It's not good, but far better than Amyr could ever hope to be. If either this video or the Big Moves video were made after January 2020, Amyr would most likely be the pick for the worst.

@mettatonex7221 3 года назад

@@TheTrueBrawler Playing devil's advocate, I'm going to make the claim that Amyr is still better. It is slower, but it has much larger coverage than Skewer, given the aerial hitboxes, which still do as much as the ground one, and the shockwaves the ground where it would otherwise miss, giving it that extra bit of utility. Skewer is faster, but its spacing for it to have maximum pay-off is so small and coupling that with the slow start-up means that I would argue that it's harder to land a meaningful hit with Skewer than Amyr, but I would understand if you're still smitten with the opposite. They're both bottom contenders for sure.

@wingedbluj1674 3 года назад

@@mettatonex7221 That was the conclusion I came to Amyr pros: Shatters shields, can hit above Byleth, can 2 frame, shockwave potentially covers a miss, no sour spot, can be turned around, can drop through platforms, has super armor during the swing if you're on the ground Amyr cons: slow as shit, vulnerable if missed, can be grabbed out of Skewer pros: Faster, deals massive damage, allows for a follow-up for kills, little vulnerability if missed Skewer cons: can't 2 frame, specific, tiny Sweet spot, does nothing to shields, can't be turned around (But B-reverse works), can't drop through platforms, short lasting active frames

@Zimx02 3 года назад

The funny part is that the character that you just made is basically Melee Roy.

@mettatonex7221 3 года назад

I more imagined Melee Bowser, but I guess this works too.

@CoinBox170 3 года назад

@@mettatonex7221 depends on this imaginary character's stats

@mettatonex7221 3 года назад

@@CoinBox170 Well, regardless of stats, Melee Bowser is generally agreed to be the worst character in Melee, maybe even in any Smash game, since, like was described for the theoretical worst character here, his only usable tools do next to nothing, landing kill moves are practically impossible, and he's dead when he leaves the ground.

@blazerj7364 3 года назад

hes too smart to be left alive

@carterjayy5718 3 года назад

*Laughs in Zain*

@YMunesanzun 3 года назад

The neat thing about Wario's down air is that if you fuck it up just right, it has a decent silent meteor spike.

@toastytoad8154 2 года назад

That's killed me at 0 once before.

@tapatorta 2 года назад

Saying meteor spike is like saying forward side smash

@YMunesanzun 2 года назад

@@tapatorta meteor smash or meteor spike are still correct

@tapatorta 2 года назад

@@YMunesanzun meteor spike is redundant, you’re saying the same thing twice

@YMunesanzun 2 года назад

@@tapatorta Meteor Spike in the air, don't care.

@jasoncole1833 4 года назад

So who’s making this character mod

@papertiger4525 4 года назад

When they do, they should stack together the shittiest attributes too. Incineroar walk/run speed, Snake jump height, Banjo DJ height, Dedede air mobility, Mac air dodge, Fox fall speed, Pichu weight, etc, etc

@williampym3741 4 года назад

@@papertiger4525 Puff jump height, with only one jump.

@benhuang2773 4 года назад

@@papertiger4525 Every move deals recoil damage like Pichu, and the moves have limited ammunition, like Robin's specials or Inkling's splat bomb .

@dabluepittoo-aqua4213 4 года назад

Also Down Special has a 10% chance to causing one of Hero's negative Hocus Pocus moves to happen

@jeremystinson2124 4 года назад

I'm maining this new character, shitty sabotaging mechanics and all!

@sophachord 4 года назад

But doesnt the worst character have a sing-skewer infinite?? broken character

@michaelpeirce2493 4 года назад

N Marbles holy shit he's right (0_0)

@CloutmasterPhluphyy 4 года назад

Wait he would

@CloutmasterPhluphyy 4 года назад

Then when he gets u to 999, he can bayo forward tilt u Edit: oops wrong tilt

@CloutmasterPhluphyy 4 года назад

Or was it side tilt I can't remember

@benhuang2773 4 года назад

Even better: when the opponent is either asleep or skewered, you don't have to worry about the slow startup of Snake's F-smash anymore! (or you could just Warlock Punch/Volcano Kick.)

@TheWolfbros 3 года назад

Having jiggly puffs sing with ridleys skewer could actually be pretty sick

@Menacetosociety05 2 года назад

That’s actually an infinite in doubles

@cddgamer1686 2 года назад

Sing with warlock punch…

@priestofronaldalt 9 месяцев назад

@@cddgamer1686(prowler sound)

@georgerogers1166 Месяц назад

Rest with a bigger hitbox.

@alicon852 4 года назад

When I saw Yoshi's egg roll and I was like, "wait what? That move is a great combo and kill conform!" Then I remembered, this isn't ssf2

@WiiMoteGodYT 2 года назад

I played SSF2 for a long time and used Yoshi's Side B for everything, then I played Ultimate.

@justafan9206 2 года назад

Huh. Good to know.

@lenerxs 2 года назад

Roll spam

@majororion2374 2 года назад

Same except it's SSB4U

@ZOLOgangles 4 года назад

Honestly I just wish we had this monstrosity character so that we could witness people defending their viability in the meta. And it would create for an amazing feat when a top player manages to place well with them regardless of how bad they are. Lastly, Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow patrons and a Happy Late Thanksgiving to other viewers! Hope you guys all have/had a great day and I'll see y'all in the next video.

@Jazztral 4 года назад

That is why I play Little Mac :P

@thesardonicrenegade3065 4 года назад

That's basically Mac

@KasuyaIceKarz2000 4 года назад

Awful character combo: Up+B, Down+B. Sing to Skewer. BIG MONEY.

@darchocla 4 года назад

Sing into ganons up tilt? Yes please

@chaotixthefox 4 года назад

@@Jazztral Mac's ground game is busted.

@hsd6716 4 года назад

Broke: wanting throws included in the best/worst moves list Woke: wanting crouches and taunts included

@frostycarrot1803 4 года назад

Dedede’s crouch, Luigi’s slow kick, show me your moves, and something from snake

@neptune7160 4 года назад

Worst crouch: Bowser Worst taunt: Greninja

@blakethesnake6686 4 года назад

@@neptune7160 Worst taunt is Dr. Mario

@HoleeCarolee 4 года назад

What does woke mean exactly?

@intensellylit4100 4 года назад

@@neptune7160 worst taunt is ult mario

@cameroncoolidge7090 3 года назад

“Okay this new character may be low tier but they got potential I swear!”

@CesarTorres61296 3 года назад

Sing + Skewer/Warlock Punch is just plain nasty.

@brandonbrix5126 3 года назад

@@CesarTorres61296 *mashing intensifies*

@OrigamiAhsoka 2 года назад

@@brandonbrix5126 B

@countyhare 2 года назад

@@OrigamiAhsoka *taunts*

@onionbjr 3 года назад

"Neutral-B goes to Ganondorf" Captain Falcon: *phew*

@stealthyshadow567 3 года назад

Puff and Mac too

@ryukthegodofdeath5906 3 года назад

If your skilled and are really good with falcon you can a punch most of the time you do hit it

@younglink3924 3 года назад

Warlock punch comes out way slower then falcon punch, the only use of it out of a shield break which is a specific situation

@onionbjr 3 года назад

@Bound bruh my name ain't shitass no more

@mettatonex7221 3 года назад

I know we have a thing for Esam opinions, but he did a more basic version of this video a while back, where he made the case that Falcon Punch is actually worse. Yes, Warlock Punch is slower, but they're both too slow to use in any area besides shield break punishing and extremely hard reads anyway, and at least there are few options to deal with Warlock Punch thanks to the super-armor it gets. Also, it is leagues better than Falcon Punch at Shield Break punishing because you would probably be surprised to learn that Falcon Punch is actually comparitively weak in this game; I think Falcon's Forward Smash is better at killing than it, so even if you do land it, you don't get much pay-off.

@Alex-qm1ku 4 года назад

Imagine being in Smash 4 and seeing a video describing most of Bayonetta's moves as potentially the worst in the game.

@jordanthejq12 4 года назад

The overnerf is real. If Joker makes it into a Smash 6, I fully expect him to be bottom-tier.

@clausy_ssbu2086 4 года назад

The only thing her ftilt can do is setup to a possible fair 123 at like 0%. Probably still not confirmed though

@juicecup2545 4 года назад

Jordan Quiles sad but true, hopefully since cloud survived well, pitchu (or whoever the second strongest character is) will live to be mid-tier

@lmao2302 4 года назад

@@juicecup2545 Pikachu is one of those few characters that isn't allowed to be straight up bad so next game he is being mid tier.

@ilovepersona3 4 года назад

@@jordanthejq12 I will still main joker cuz I'm a persona geek lol

@waddledee2857 4 года назад

This is what waluigi’s moveset will look like

@RuinedAphrodite 4 года назад

I very much agree with waddledee

@insertname868 4 года назад

Waluigi has an infinite skewer HELL YEAH

@JiisTube 4 года назад

😂😂😂

@michellemarkey1195 4 года назад

Hi waddle dee dee dee

@jethrobreek8340 4 года назад

Stop Waluigi abuse

@punkopunko5637 3 года назад

Nothing stings more as a yoshi main then accidentally egg rolling when trying to get back on stage. EDIT: I main Ridley now, but I pretty much never use skewer and you can’t really accidentally use it so egg rolling with Yoshi still stings more.

@hankpeterschmidt8626 2 года назад

Yea, tho it's better on the stage, since you can jump once and you move faster.

@hankpeterschmidt8626 2 года назад

But using it offstage is a huge waste

@tooost1886 2 года назад

I feel your pain

@chaaldnox 2 года назад

This man exclusively mains dinosaurs

@tooost1886 2 года назад

@@chaaldnox You think he mains dinosaurs, well I main Yoshi, Ridley, King K Rool, and Bowser

@TrulyAtrocious 3 года назад

"Wario has the worst dsmash" *Laughs in Brawl*

@mr.sniffly5297 3 года назад

Sure, maybe, but who would use Wario when there’s Meta Knight

@comboballer 3 года назад

How about ivysaur

@aaRafastsbh 2 года назад

@@mr.sniffly5297 just bc a character is the best doesnt mean everyone is good with him. For example i main kirby in su but characters like pikachu or palutena are useless for me

@mr.sniffly5297 2 года назад

@@aaRafastsbh bruh its a joke I’m not good with meta knight at all

@Drawn_Together_Lover 2 года назад

@@aaRafastsbh I can barely win with Marth/Lucina, but I'm good with some bad characters.

@Misty_FT 4 года назад

I'm a Monstrosity main, I swear they're good!

@nightniro131 4 года назад

HOW IS YOUR COMMENT A DAY AGO!!! THE VIDEO CAME OUT LIKE 6 HOURS AGO BOI

@nightniro131 4 года назад

I ment an hour ago (lol)

@MrMockRock 4 года назад

@@nightniro131 T-Flat is a patron, they get the video a day early (or two days in this case because of Thanksgiving).

@nightniro131 4 года назад

@@MrMockRockhuh interesting I didn't know that

@penguincube3102 4 года назад

Ikr his back special is amazing

@chishnfips877 4 года назад

*Neutral-B goes to Ganondorf* Jigglypuff mains: *Sigh of relief* Edit: Lmao stop commenting on this. A. This video is pre-13.1.0., and B. It’s a warzone in the replies.

@smolboiproductions2984 4 года назад

Haha

@Brivalia 4 года назад

shouldve gone to mac's Neutral b

@jordanthejq12 4 года назад

Rollout can brutalize unprepared opponents. It's just that whiffing is very often a one-way trip to the blast zone.

@plantrulz223 4 года назад

Rollout is way worse than Warlock Punch, he is just way to biased against it. I would happily take a free kill very time I get a shield break over Rollout.

@chishnfips877 4 года назад

Jordan Quiles yeah. If the opponent is an idiot.

@paragon4770 3 года назад

"Worst Aerials" Little Mac: *Profuse Sweating*

@beeftastesliketoenails94 3 года назад

His aerials are good when I use them though... :(

@zainedits4919 3 года назад

@@beeftastesliketoenails94 nice joke

@phasecultist4298 3 года назад

@@beeftastesliketoenails94 better be joking

@EarthBound_Fan 3 года назад

Actually Omar has the worst Fair up there down there and back here because if your character doesn't have the pigment gimmick there are completely useless sorry about the terrible grammar without Pikmin Omar's ariels that revolve around Pikmin are just animations that we've and vulnerable

@mightbecosmic 3 года назад

@@EarthBound_Fan how to have a stroke in 7 seconds

@Berd 3 года назад

vast majority

@genepeebody303 3 года назад

BERD

@FIamestalker 4 года назад

Yoshi's eggroll is good in Melee's Adventure mode to quickly finish the F-zero section on the race track

@mettatonex7221 3 года назад

I know you don't need me to tell you this, but this isn't Melee's Adventure mode.

@Libra623_ 3 года назад

This is not

@numberonecrate 3 года назад

i mean, he isnt wrong

@jackb7647 3 года назад

You said melee! The wrong word around these parts. Heretic, are you prepared to meet your life at the end of superior brawl physics?! ;)

@Xcentricon 3 года назад

*ITS NOT MELEE*

@redviolet5158 4 года назад

that monstrosity character at the end was a nice touch

@chessplayer6632 4 года назад

Red Violet Nice profile pic

@Person-ts9dy 4 года назад

Someone NEEDS to make a mod that makes this character

@Redlion1900 2 года назад

It should be glass joe because the aerials are all little mac's and glass joe is just worse little mac

@yagoshi5307 3 года назад

Actually, as a yoshi main, I can think of one use to egg roll: messing up my recovery.

@ffiiggyy 3 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mzItS5BmUNw.html

@marche800 4 года назад

I don't think I've ever seen jigglypuff's down tilt

@wahbucket501 4 года назад

Ikr lmao

@noahsaint3232 4 года назад

Puff has been one of my mains since melee. Honestly, I don't think I have either.

@xolotltolox7626 4 года назад

I've seen Alpharad use it to gimp Terrys bc their UpB doesn't snap to ledge

@jjrambles683 4 года назад

@@xolotltolox7626 that is the most alpharad way to gimp somebody

@yoshiandtailsfan8797 4 года назад

Lol. I always use up tilt over it.

@Max2ds 4 года назад

“Worst **direction** aerial in ultimate?!?” It’s little mac. It’s always going to be little mac.

@PFSnypr 4 года назад

#buffthemac

@aggroshaolin4910 4 года назад

It's TRUE... but I still love lil mac

@FantasticWarlord 4 года назад

Lowkey little mac's neutral staggers really well so that should have been noted.

@simonhoran9775 4 года назад

Which is actually really sad. Mac is good on the ground but not good enough to justify his just abysmal air game and recovery. I wish Sakurai would buff Mac because you can't deny he deserves it the most.

@jamesverner9132 4 года назад

Heart on🔥

@jacobalexander5139 3 года назад

The thumbnail has a picture of two dairs that are both good

@jonathanrussell8998 2 года назад

I'm curious how this character would perform if you gave them the best in non-move stats. Best physics, best jump stats and numbers, smallest hurtbox, that kind of thing.

@BeardedWaifu 4 года назад

Warlock punch is ment to send a message. Its not good, but when it lands you pretty much just sucured a victory (or at least a moral one)

@MrMockRock 4 года назад

Oh yeah, Warlock Punch is awesome specifically _because_ of how bad it is!

@Blockgaming22 4 года назад

MockRock tbh Fox’s laser might be the worst because Warlock Punch gives armor

@juicecup2545 4 года назад

Blockgaming FOX LASER IS THE WORST MOVE IN THE GAME?

@maxwellmoonen3426 4 года назад

It's not about winning, IT'S ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE

@notasquiremario3299 4 года назад

@@MrMockRock why not falcon punch. it's warlock punch without armor

@yikes13 4 года назад

this custom character would actually have a worst recovery than Little Mac

@derodainfamous 4 года назад

Jiggs up b one jump no wall cling or wall jump, or crouch, and one jump

@jacobshor5956 4 года назад

Solo popo up b would be even worse as it recovers just as well but has no utility

@Endershock1678 4 года назад

jacob shor Criteria in the beginning states no character specific moves.

@stylishgaby 4 года назад

@@jacobshor5956 solo popo up B is a bad move only if u lose nana, making it not elligible.

@Xcentricon 4 года назад

Here's my thoughts on this popo single recovery discussion. It is single popo. Not ICE CLIMBERS recovery. Jacob shor made it fair, because if you remove the multiple character trait then you have a single and only single move.

@heretichazel Год назад

As a Kirby main thank you for recognizing the ability of stone even outside of playing with beginners, it's a genuinely decent edgeguarding tool especially with the ability to cancel it midair

@TheSteve5154 3 года назад

I love the little detail at the end when you were listing off all the moves. Having each character do it on their own series stage is such a cool little detail.

@navyseagull5635 4 года назад

"Ridley Dair has respectable killer power" *clip of training CPU dying from ledge at 139%*

@bluescorpion6156 4 года назад

Navy Seagull right Sonics isn't even a suicide you can recover with it as long as you aren't too deep unlike the other actual suicide down b's

@griffinkimball2454 4 года назад

But sonic also has really good vertical recovery. A lot of characters couldn't make it back. And even being recoverable, it is still rarely used by Sonic except for style points.

@bluescorpion6156 4 года назад

Griffin Kimball oh yeah I forgot about it with other recoveries whoops

@olivinator 4 года назад

all the other killing Dairs had the CPU at a higher % on hit though, and were generally from the same spot, so that's like saying that no stop&fall has a respectable kill power, but the ones mentioned at least come close which is why they're not as bad as Sonic's.

@marsupialmole3926 4 года назад

@@olivinator As someone who plays Ridley and Sonic, Ridley's definitely feels a lot worse. Sonic's isn't as fast, but it also ends much sooner so it can be used as a meteor without killing yourself thanks to his big up-B and as a means of getting to the ground when high up because it's aerial endlag is actually surprisingly short. Ridley's on the other hand has to compete with his up-B, which spikes consistently throughout, has a generous landing hitbox, and lets him grab an edge rather than suiciding with it when attempting a spike. So yeah, Ridley's sucks because of his up-B, and Sonic's is good because of his up-B

@cassiuspeter9673 4 года назад

As a testiment to the accuracy of one of the moves here... I've been watching a LOT of videos from a RU-vidr named Little Z, who among other things, is a wario main. And despite watching Little Z play wario in over a dozen videos, and seeing some awesome setups with his down tilt, down air, and most notably down b, I had no idea what Wario's down smash looked like.

@Endershock1678 4 года назад

That move single handedly got me to stop doing spot dodge down smash online like a scrub because of how bad it was. Also taught me how to punish it funny enough.

@guidomista3570 4 года назад

I mean it is one of his best characters (insert laugh track here)

@isaac4404 4 года назад

Wario isn't even his best character.

@Endershock1678 4 года назад

@@isaac4404 Literally his main and he said on his Wario video that Wario is his single best character.

@isaac4404 4 года назад

@@Endershock1678 Congratulations, you got the joke!

@Exe244 3 года назад

I would’ve said for the worst dash attack, would have to be Mega Man’s top spin. Its not a combo starter, it doesn’t kill, it has horrible endlag, its not safe on shield, it only works when the opponent is on the ground and the chances of getting the full damage off of it is really slim. And the worst part is that Mega Mans whole kit relies in playing keep away. Dash attacking as Mega Man means you’re bringing yourself closer to the opponent rather than keeping them at bay

@OtakuUnitedStudio 2 года назад

You really hit me with that Viewtiful Joe music. One of the most underrated soundtracks of all time, never mind the games themselves.

@theevilcookie173 4 года назад

2:37 "Forward tilts are really straight forward moves"

@electricenergy116 4 года назад

Connor Cook literally

@Xcentricon 4 года назад

Connor Cook AGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGGAAGGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAG (That's a spongebob reference)

@yogurtclosetok 2 года назад

"straight" Gayonetta

@TheRedCap 4 года назад

K. Rool's up air is a complete shit move, yeah, but it's _funny._ have you ever had an opponent at bright red, hard DK percent, and hit them with K. Rool's up air? the zoom in on K. Rool's face up someone's ass is hilarious.

@mystic0146 4 года назад

This is the only reason k rool secretly has the best up air

@99wins31 4 года назад

K. Rool gets launched further than his opponent with that move

@aetjohn4016 4 года назад

Where the funny?

@icewallowpiss7569 4 года назад

As a king k rool main i agree its funny but its not that shitty

@CoinBox170 4 года назад

It's big, intangible, has armor, is fast, has great damage and kill potential, a lot of active frames, and aids his recovery. I think calling it a shit move is ridiculous, even considering the amount of recovery frames it has.

@admiralAlfonso9001 3 года назад

but hey hero's up smash can be used as a taunt online

@LilyBlue53 2 года назад

i'd argue Pac-Man's uptilt is pure garbage, it has NO ground hitbox and can only hit when someone is directly above you, and in that instance its got a small range so you're probably better off using something else. But yeah, an opponent can be walking into pac-man and uptilt still wont connect.

@jonathanlgill 2 года назад

It still works as part of a Pacman combo. I've seen Tea and Sinji get some use out of it, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a Ganondorf use uptilt in a competitive match except for disrespect. I'd give Pac-man runner up status, though.

@thoop6795 2 года назад

@@jonathanlgill As a pac main, I agree. While it is a bad move, it CAN call out bad landings or poorly spaced landing ariels. Ganon’s... well it does some damage if it hit somehow...

@jonathangough5331 2 года назад

Yeah I think pac man’s is even worse than ganondorf’s, at least you can 2 frame with ganon up tilt and it can break shield if they panic and hold shield

@degeneracy_1018 2 года назад

Duck Hunts up tilt also only hits opponents above you with no ground hit box. However, it does have use setting up cans but nothing else really.

@jxgalaxy3810 2 года назад

@@jonathangough5331 at top level everyone knows to not use shield against this and also know that up tilt for Pac-Man has a role in hydrant and trampoline scenarios. ALSO HOW ARE U GONNA 2 FRAME WITH THIS SLOW OF A MOVE

@sovereignflux1664 4 года назад

"... and you would die the second your feet left the ground." So Little Mac?

@FalseRed7 4 года назад

Yes but take away side b and up b

@Spingerex 4 года назад

@@The-Awesome. Yeah,it's pretty weird...

@mettatonex7221 3 года назад

Little Mac, but with his recovery _literally_ going nowhere, and he's helpless on the ground as well. the only thing that could make it worse is if he had the build of either Bowser, King Dedede, or King K. Rool, the ground speed of Incineroar, the jump height of Jigglypuff (with only the standard allotment of a single midair jump), and the air speed of King Dedede (also with only one midair jump). I'm not completely sure which weight would make him the worst, but given the reputation of characters that fall on either extreme and comparing them to each other, I'd say the weight of Bowser, but an argument can be made for the weight of Pichu as well.

@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 3 года назад

Mettaton Ex I’d say pichu, if he has the speed of incineroar and terrible dodges then avoiding any lingering attacks is out of question, probably making him die off of 0%

@TheSam06820 3 года назад

It's little mac but instead of a bad recovery you have no recovery

@dialaforawesome2029 4 года назад

You gave the “worst character” a rest, skewer, or warlock punch combo

@weirdyoutubeaccount8184 4 года назад

Not rest

@seansean792 4 года назад

Sing.

@cise3895 4 года назад

(I know this is probably a joke, but not everyone is going to realize that and I don’t want them to get a bad takeaway from this) True combo into a flashy, lethal move...in exchange for their recovery. Several characters have scarier, more reliable set-ups, but if their recovery is incredibly bad/exploitable-much less nonexistant-people _will_ give them shit for it. Sing might not even make up for all the advantages of a real recovery if our hypothetical character had a homerun bat by default.

@seansean792 4 года назад

@@cise3895 we never talked about jumps, so that's probably the only problem. He should have said the worst run speed and stuff to go with this. Like, we need the worst throws too. (Probably from fire emblem.)

@dialaforawesome2029 4 года назад

@@seansean792 true. For all we know this character could have Dr. Mario's forward throw!

@wingedbluj1674 3 года назад

Steve Update Important note: All of Steve's resource based moves are off the table Down tilt: You saw the edge guard Sakurai pulled off Down Smash: Low launch angle makes setting up edge guards easier Up Smash: In the same boat as Hero with an up Smash that is more above Steve, the lasting and wider hitbox allows Steve to better hit above him even with poorer timing Up B: At this point anything is better than Jigglypuff

@the_goodest_boy 3 года назад

Steve's up-smash actually does have a grounded scoop hitbox at the beginning, as well as a rather weak grounded hit box when he actually shatters the magma

@colonelpopcorn1947 3 года назад

Nair? Definitely not worse than Mac's but maybe worse than olimar's?

@wingedbluj1674 3 года назад

@@colonelpopcorn1947 like I said, the move uses resources unique to Steve, so it breaks the criteria

@colonelpopcorn1947 3 года назад

@@wingedbluj1674 ah, hard to remember that

@wingedbluj1674 2 года назад

@@the_goodest_boy like I said, it's practically in the same boat as that scoop is only meant for opponents in front of Steve, plus it's only a small window.

@PlanetZoidstar 2 года назад

Pretty sure this hypothetical Smash Fighter would be better than Melee Kirby.

@PlanetZoidstar 2 года назад

@@SaphStrumm Arguably he was. Bowser at least has some favourable matchups at lower tiers and HAS pulled upsets in tournaments. Pichu is fast and I have clowned on someone on my level with Pichu..When they were using Marth. I've never known Kirby to beat any high-to-top tiers at competitive level. He's just too slow and frail to keep up.

@666blaziken 4 года назад

When snake's fsmash is his worst move, you know that he's pretty busted.

@deathbringer9893 4 года назад

um down smash is also pretty bad

@tobyvision 4 года назад

Why would you ever use a smash instead of his up tilt?

@michaeljames6737 4 года назад

But I just hit with grab put on the ground then forward smash

@dush.1746 4 года назад

@@michaeljames6737 you can just roll out of the f-smash

@michaeljames6737 4 года назад

@@dush.1746 but this move is easier for me

@pqaza_ 4 года назад

Jigglypuff sing + Warlock punch 🤔

@fastestpoyointhewest673 4 года назад

Jigglypuff sing + mario's down b is also good

@cjtherandomizer7638 4 года назад

The problem is unless your up against someone who isn't mashing there controller, it's not going to work. I can see why people think sing plus skewer is equivalent to a Brawl infinite, but sing has alot of end lag, it takes about a second for someone to wake up, and (correct me if I'm wrong) Warlock Punch has a 72 frame wind up, attempting to do this would not work very well. And with skewer, let's just say you have to have percision on where you are.

@omg8724 4 года назад

@@fastestpoyointhewest673 No one can rest in the air lol

@anakinskywalker846 4 года назад

CJ The Randomizer Ganon’s neutral b would be used in the same way he uses it, but a better follow up for rest could be snake’s f-smash, with less startup and still very high kill power. Assuming that this character has good jumps, which of course we are not, sing would actually work somewhat well with this moveset

@Endershock1678 4 года назад

Way too much startup. At low percent you barely have time to rest let alone charge Warlock Punch.

@memperkasaya2078 3 года назад

2:47 why did every forward tilt you decided to show off did the exact about of damage, that being 15.6%?

@wingedbluj1674 3 года назад

He was pointing out that the kill power of the moves compensates for the slow start up, and while Bayonetta's is kinda slow, it doesn't even have that raw damage

@OrigamiAhsoka 2 года назад

Very impressive actually

@hiei7682 3 года назад

Does the 8.0 buff for piranha plant's back air makes him leave the title of "worst one"?

@wingedbluj1674 3 года назад

Did the buff shave off some end lag? If no then it's still that bad

@bootlicker4763 3 года назад

@@wingedbluj1674 you right but I don’t really think that it’s the second worse

@bootlicker4763 3 года назад

@@wingedbluj1674 also plants down tilt definitely is the worst serving no use and is pretty sad.

@wingedbluj1674 3 года назад

@@bootlicker4763 Well I wouldn't and according to the video, neither does MockRock. The thing is Plant's DTilt sends the opponent upward so you can combo into aerials or at the very least, force your opponent out of position, Jigglypuff's sends at a weird angle, has virtually no reach, and is kinda slow and not even a kill move.

@bootlicker4763 3 года назад

@@wingedbluj1674 you can’t combo and that’s what makes it sad

@MaxMonado 4 года назад

Can't wait to see Little Mac 5 times Edit: wow never mind

@DJTileTurnip 4 года назад

You weren't wrong but...

@Jacob-zs5tc 4 года назад

Nice

@bobfranklin8898 4 года назад

Yeah, unfortunately his aerials are very underwhelming in terms of power, speed, and hitbox (landing Uair is a nightmare to land, and strangely enough, it combos into almost all of his kit depending on what percent the opponent is in, lol!). I will say, un-ironically, that his Nair is his best aerial exclusively because it is his fastest aerial (It's also *the* fastest aerial in the game too at frame 2) and can interrupt attacks when you ledge jump > Nair at ledge. It's still a horrible aerial considering Yoshi's Nair with only an extra frame of start-up has better combo breaker potential, but I think Little Mac's Nair is perhaps the only "viable" aerial to use for his character. The rest of Little Mac's aerials do not really have any true or useful follow-ups when used first, or are the worse of follow-ups themselves compared to his other moves such as Up-b (better follow-up after Utilt juggles, but I guess more riskier if you whiff it). Other than that, the only potential aerial I'd think people would use besides his tilts is Fair for tech situations.

@MrOrdosan 4 года назад

@@bobfranklin8898 ya. i was thinking if they made lil mac down air a stonefall instead with minimum landing lag he would get a burst boost to his game. specially if that also drug opponents to the ground with him.

@ThingSomeRandom 4 года назад

Actually you did technically

@brendan8672 4 года назад

Wait this means if we made this frankenstein character, it could land a puff sing and then use a ridley down B, or warlock punch

@sou9639 4 года назад

I see that you like Aries 👀

@brendan8672 4 года назад

dingdongyouropinioniswrong yessirrrrr

@kidkecleon 4 года назад

Reverse Warlock punch kills everyone at 0

@tacobottle4217 4 года назад

Cascade no it doesn’t (is this a joke?)

@gatchu2246 4 года назад

@@tacobottle4217 Obviously exaggerating a little, but he's not that off. If you land a sing, you can walk them to the edge, and reliably kill at like 10%, though it'd be pretty easy to mash out.

@Omega-zy7bn 2 года назад

I main Ganondorf, and I already know it’s *up-tilt*

@Daemon105 2 года назад

But did you expect Warlock punch?

@PomadaGaming Год назад

4:02 I think neutral B actually goes to,unfortunately,captain falcon. One simple reason,Ganon’s had armor for days.

@PomadaGaming Год назад

8:43 hm alright 10:34 I heard ridley’s is really bad though 11:04 hm okay 13:34 yep 14:05 hm

@flyingfish1138 4 года назад

So who’s making the mod for this character? I’m thinking Waluigi?

@ImmaFarmerInMalaysia 4 года назад

Absolutely genius.

@Beam3178 4 года назад

😭

@animaticli 4 года назад

I need a mod for Chomper from Plants vs Zombies. Modders can use Pirahna Plant.

@meriotroid 4 года назад

YES

@weirdyoutubeaccount8184 4 года назад

@@animaticli Nah Super Brainz makes more sense

@largenaq2935 4 года назад

Your channel is criminally underrated. The amount of effort you put in as well as the quality of production is almost unmatched. Keep up the amazing work :)

@MrMockRock 4 года назад

Thank you, I greatly appreciate that!

@LostSoulSilver 2 года назад

Wario could have his ground pound from the games, like in Project M, and it would be one of the best down airs in the game But lord forbid Sakurai lets Wario have anything from his games

@Jarekthegamingdragon 3 года назад

HARD disagree about snake. Fair is a great edgeguard tool and kills stupid early.

@Paulunatr 3 года назад

In the context of Snake's kit, most certainly. A good player can get a good amount of mileage out of it by setting it up with grenades, mortar, or missile. However, as Mock said, context does not apply here. Without a means of setup, landing Snake's f-air is very unreliable and you'd be better off with Mario's f-air in almost all scenarios because it's faster. To make matters worse, f-airs are staples in the movesets of many, many characters, and spikes are relatively niche compared to what most other f-airs offer in combo or spacing utility or general kill power. Again, Snake's f-air isn't worthless. It just requires setup, and you can't depend on having access to that when you're building a character using the methodology Mock used.

@pizzawonderer5024 3 года назад

"Fair is a great edgeguard tool" -Every single Mario and Donkey Kong main

@marvmurchins5355 3 года назад

So you can say fairs are unfair?

@Regirock_official 3 года назад

as someone who's killed at almost 0 with fair I agree

@EarthBound_Fan 3 года назад

The reason why snake has slow moves like this is to force players to utilize his traps most characters would not have the utility snake would have with setups also can I just mention how terrible snake is in the air every time I jump as snake I feel like Little Mac his neutral air has four hits and doesn't connect very quickly leading to me getting punished very easily

@dabluepittoo-aqua4213 4 года назад

Sonic: My Dair is totally better that Ridl- Ridley: _E A T F E E T, Y A H Y E E T_

@splugen 4 года назад

S K R A A A A A A

@deathbringer9893 4 года назад

FOOT DIVE

@Eldoofus 4 года назад

Why does this remind me about that foot fetish-

@ianhoddinott9492 4 года назад

THE FEET PICS DARLING _HAND EM OVER_

@brandonwilliams6119 4 года назад

*Laughs in Project M Sonic Eagle*

@billbobs678 4 года назад

"What if the character has limit charge but doesn't have cross slash" **Crying finishing touch noises**

@frienderoo 3 года назад

Wait haven't I seen u before on one of Forzien1s live stream

@pizzawonderer5024 3 года назад

Oh god imagine Bowser's side b with limit charge

@Blu_Jay07 3 года назад

@@pizzawonderer5024 S O L O N G G A Y M A R I O

@rexythet.rexfromjpreadabou186 3 года назад

@@pizzawonderer5024 just fully charged cross slash. But the final hit is actually flying slam.

@bradthomas7933 3 года назад

Finishing touch kills at lower percents & comes out faster at the cost of lower damage & lower range. Definitely has it's uses

@halcyon_echo42 2 года назад

This is great & it explains the hype when the heavy moves connect so satisfyingly, such as snake's slow air spike attack

@bryce4108 3 года назад

Wario's down smash, as a Wario main, is one of the riskiest moves to throw out, almost ever. However, it has reasonable start-up and is capable of beating normal, jump, and roll get-ups depending on spacing and kills reasonably early with an actually fantastic angle. Jigglypuff's is worse, because this down smash accomplishes certain things that some characters might actually want

@TheLitterBlox 2 года назад

Jiggs main here and I agree because most of puffs moves beside uptilt and dash attack are overshadowed by puffs better moves. Basically the opposite of little Mac; good air attacks but poor ground game.

@jonathanlgill 2 года назад

Doesn't Jigglypuff's Down-Smash send them at a very deadly angle, though? It's also moderately quick to cool down.

@ricocarpenter2189 2 года назад

Jigglypuff's has a better hitbox, sends at a better angle, and isn't as dangerous if you whiff it

@thatsabruhmoment17 4 года назад

Everyone's going "sing-warlock punch" while dying the second someone takes away their second jump

@angrypepe7615 4 года назад

and it wouldn't even work since you'd have so much time to mash out of sing that you wouldn't be able to land warlock punch

@AverageHandle_ 3 года назад

And you actually have to hit the opponent enough to get to that point his pretty hard

@maxlibertor 3 года назад

@@angrypepe7615 You'd be surprised, sing leaves them vulnerable for over 127 frames

@get_dqstrqyed1786 3 года назад

Nah nah nah sing skewer 1 Samus jab sing warlock punch, that would kill at 0

@maxlibertor 3 года назад

@@get_dqstrqyed1786 by Samus jab do you mean Samus jab to read option with sing

@rykermische5640 4 года назад

Me: Sees Title My Brain: Little Mac is gonna own this list

@Atsuuwu 4 года назад

the only thing is little mac air his other moves are honestly pretty good especially his smash attacks and if im being honest little mac up-air isn't to bad it can work out of shield and has just enough range that only sword and projectile down airs can stop it so it's good for juggling on the ground and it's not like it's slow either it hits pretty quick also they only need to make it so he can up-B into side-B then he could recover and be out of bottom tier

@0Sloppenheimer 4 года назад

@@Atsuuwu sadly it has negative horizontal range But Did you know that it can combo into pretty much anything? Yes , even ko punch There are set ups Down tilt Nair fast fall up air Ko punch And it's im not wrong a microscopical window of error It eats jumps and dodges Frame one moves like snake granades or Marth up b can break it But who would expect it anyways?

@Foggz94 4 года назад

Some of the best smash attacks in the game tho

@Kamekaze. 2 года назад

Ive got so much respect that you decided not to just show all the aerials as little mac, it makes the video so much cooler.

@TCFrosty_2 2 года назад

Ok can we just pause and think about how AWESOME his intro is?

@ubadman1 4 года назад

as a bayo main we dont talk about ftilt. theres no logical reason the third hit shouldnt be a kill option.

@SweetzTheOne 4 года назад

its cause your character made everyone cry in smash 4 so sakurai removed literally everything you had

@ubadman1 4 года назад

@@SweetzTheOne actually he destoryed what was left becsuse leo and plup happened plus the crowd. And he went too far.

@KevSB07 4 года назад

@@SweetzTheOne Did f-tilt even kill in smash 4?

@fissilewhistle 4 года назад

NCPTheChamp It was garbage even in Smash 4. The move has never been good.

@evehateclub 4 года назад

@@fissilewhistle in 4 it actually had combos and follow ups and actually worked. In this game it's just horrible

@JollyRancherGeno 4 года назад

"Sonic has the worst dair" Every Plant Gang main: *breathes sigh of relief*

@DonWippo1 4 года назад

Plants dair is good. Good vertical range.

@JollyRancherGeno 4 года назад

@@DonWippo1 Good vertical range, but poor horizontal range, and the spike hitbox is nonexistent. I'm surprised he picked bair to pick on when it's actually good, and dair is bad

@DonWippo1 4 года назад

@@JollyRancherGeno I suppose it is a matter of preference. Personally I had no problem landing dair, but bair with plant was quite difficult. Also dair still has a good trajectory when hitting with the sour spot unlike other dairs (Pits comes to mind) They rock though, when you are able to land any of those.

@DonWippo1 4 года назад

I knew sourspot dair could Combo into Nair, but that is not crazy practical though.

@seansean792 4 года назад

So... Does forward air actually combo into down air like in the trailer, or did they *pac-hydrant* us?

@FrostReach66 2 года назад

I will always love Wario’s down smash in brawl, he literally just breakdances like it’s nothing🤣

@frozenfire6262 2 года назад

As a shulk main I think shulk's jab is way worse than Samus Samus's jab could possibly find niche uses in a random moveset But shulk's jab just can't do anything at all, not even in shulk's own kit, since it lacks range, does barely any damage, has too much endlag and knockback to follow up, even in buster or shield, but also has too little knockback to kill or set up for edgeguarding, even in smash art

@gabrielstephens8237 4 года назад

its a very nice and subtle touch that every character basically gets their map for when you show clips of yourself playing

@mettatonex7221 3 года назад

If their going to embarrass themselves with their sad attempts at attacking, best to do it in the comforts of their home.

@enoo5694 4 года назад

12:26 As a Yoshi main, completely true. The only times that you’ll see an egg roll, is when someone fails reverse neutral B, or reverse down B.

@kevinsoto6296 4 года назад

I'm a Yoshi main too, and while I'm sad to see him on this list, I completely see why

@bandibandibandibandi 3 года назад

I died so many times as Yoshi just because of me trying to do an up-B off stage and then doing a side-B instead

@EarthBound_Fan 3 года назад

Egg roll Auto cancels on walls though I understand the pain you feel but it's fun to see my friends not know how to defeat egg roll especially on stages with walls

@blazinvireo 3 года назад

That's actually the reason why I lose as yoshi sometimes...

@firstlast-wg2on 3 года назад

Yep, as jiggly I literally never use down tilt because it operates in a way that you just basically never get to use it.

@cd31000 3 года назад

Bowser's down air can also be angled meaning it has a pretty wide range and it has an even wider second hit box after it hits the ground.

@binbag4203 4 года назад

‘The Worst of Every Smash move’ Little mac: Allow me to introduce myself

@SweetzTheOne 4 года назад

I know its a joke, but Mac doesn't even have many bad moves. His tilts are honestly all great and his specials aren't really "bad" much less the worse either. What makes him bad is his recovery and his unbalanced matchups because of his gimmick. He basically only sucks because he doesn't blend well with the dynamic of smash.

@Fin0fLenster 4 года назад

@@SweetzTheOne Eh his down special is not great and his neutral special is abysmal.

@blazefactor6849 4 года назад

@@SweetzTheOne That and the fact that he has no range. It's been said before, but if you're going to trade any attributes, it's almost never a good thing to give away range in exchange for anything else.

@SamiJ1508 4 года назад

@@blazefactor6849 that's why I switched from young link to link. I couldnt get in against other swordies and then fell in love with the new bomb

@CaptainDCap 4 года назад

@@Fin0fLenster Also has the worst roll in the game, making his playstyle extremely committal.

@PutnamentalAnimation 4 года назад

Wario's Down Smash should have been the Earthshake Punch from Wario Land: Shake It. Tsk tsk.

@Alpha-ij8lp 4 года назад

Lol you know a lot about wario, you a wario main? Also this is his downsmash in project m, it spikes if it hits an aerial opponents and has good hitbox and is good on ground I think

@jogbearcool8594 4 года назад

Ssf2 too

@PutnamentalAnimation 4 года назад

@@Alpha-ij8lp yup. 👍

@Nothavinit00 4 года назад

I main Wario and know how to down smash with ease but, the Earthquake Punch would've been a great idea.

@brandonwilliams6119 4 года назад

Also his Dair should’ve been the ground pound that PM has.

@Dractrism 3 года назад

8:50 I love Shovel Knight so much, oh my god. Thank you for this unexpected gift.

@chopperbrosadvance9760 3 года назад

I might make a rivals of aether character outta this

@Delzethin 4 года назад

The fact that Snake and Olimar popped up on the list just goes to show how even really good characters can still have an awful move or two. Fighting games are weird. (Also, shout out to the Jul clip at 10:15!)

@zachs.4371 4 года назад

A lot of these only showed up because the character doesn't need that slot for its usual utility. Snake doesn't really need the usual forward air since his grenades already dominate his neutral and he can just use nikita for regular edgeguarding, so why not have a flashy spike forward air to hard punish people for avoiding nikita unsafely. Jigglypuff already has God tier recovery from jump, so why not have an up special that essentially sets up any missed-tech punish you desire instead of recovering. Dedede admittedly would probably want a fast dash attack since he's already slow, but at least he can take advantage of his current one for ledgetraps and edgeguards given the rest of his kit. And then there's Yoshi, who would rather have Banjo's side B when he has no feathers than his current one. What a terrible attack.

@raisinsryum 4 года назад

I'm not a pro player by any means, but aren't both of those moves good with their character's kits, at least? Snake's down-aiming forward smash for edgeguarding, or for a free hit after you grab and "put them to sleep? And it's one of Olimar's only moves when he doesn't have Pikmin, so it's decent for doing a little damage so you can land and pluck more?

@obijuankenobi3814 4 года назад

@@raisinsryum He literally showed why Snake's fsmash is good for his design, I called what he was going to say before he showed it because its the only reason to use his fsmash. Ledge traps with your grenades. Drop a grenade right at the ledge, then fsmash hold to counter the dodge. If they ledge get up, they get hit by grenade, if they roll, fsmash, if they jump, let fsmash go and shield. It's not used like other fsmashes

@sansire746 4 года назад

@@raisinsryum he judged it in a vacuum not how good they are with the character

@SolracDude 4 года назад

Wait, Jiggleypuff has a down tilt? It speaks volumes how such a simple fact could shock me

@dush.1746 4 года назад

After patch it combo to rest

@emerald6489 4 года назад

Fernandoosh Down Tilt doesn’t combo to Rest Down Air does though

@dush.1746 4 года назад

@@emerald6489 Thank you, my bad I missreaded

@emerald6489 4 года назад

Fernandoosh You’re welcome and don’t worry we all make mistakes

@chickenpenguin6631 3 года назад

I don't know if DDD has the worst dash attack, although it is true that it is a lot better in his own kit than probably anyone elses, it still hits dummy hard, lasts forever and two frames. It's certainly one of the worst, but I believe Marth's is the worst. It is faster (because every dash attack in the game is faster than DDD's lol), but its still quite slow for dash attack standards, can't two frame and can't really kill to compensate for these flaws. It's also very unsafe on shield, and although almost every dash attack is, marth's is especially unsafe and laggy.

@Ryan-ht2ld 3 года назад

Honestly a very well put together video, pretty nice.

@Treetop1120 4 года назад

I love how Ice Climbers (my main) is such a forgettable character that they were left out of the “stall and fall” list

@bardw.1542 4 года назад

I commented this as well. Though at the beginning he said that moves that "use a partner" (or whatever) are excluded; so I'm not sure if that's just a hard ban on all ICs moves.

@nazukah2861 4 года назад

@@bardw.1542 Even with the partner it's still kinda bad (Melee Fair was much better bring it back Sakurai)

@TheTrueBrawler 4 года назад

I was thinking Ice Climbers as the worst Down Air, but when they weren't even mentioned in the list of stall and falls, I thought "Oh right, they're banned based on selection criteria". Then I saw his selection for Up Air and had an actual surprised Pikachu moment while watching this video.

@neptune7160 4 года назад

@@TheTrueBrawler K Rool's up air is too garbage not to mention though

@theillusionist1494 4 года назад

Sorry for ragging on your main, but... dash attack, too, is probably a contender for the worst, at least if you ask me. At the very least, I think it should have had an honorable mention, alongside Marth/Lucina.

@justjoshin956 4 года назад

Your choices make sense, but let me tell you, as a snake main, landing f-air is the most satisfying thing I’ve ever done in my life.

@deathbringer9893 4 года назад

wat about dthrow and reading ur oppenents roll with a missle

@justjoshin956 4 года назад

Nah bro, roll read with a sticky then back throw into detonate.

@99wins31 2 года назад

Move: has startup longer than 6 frames Mockrock: I diagnose you with hot trash

@poweredvoltage3213 28 дней назад

That’s exactly why his opinions are bad

@Chrisu-3354 3 года назад

7:48 it looks like Mario has really big balls

@schmoogledoink2738 4 года назад

Imagine getting hit by a skewer into reverse warlock punch combo. *Yikes.*

@0Sloppenheimer 4 года назад

Getting jablock by volcano kick Then hit by skewer Then sing and finally warlock punch

@CloutmasterPhluphyy 4 года назад

Sing to skewer infinite to up tilt

@Underworlder5 4 года назад

this comment chain made me realize: this hypothetical worst character would be ultimate disrespect character. who knows? might get seriously picked in a tournament and take advantage of mind games (dan mains in street fighter 4 have actually placed pretty well in tournaments, partially due to his reputation as a joke character messing with the opponent)

@KainYusanagi 4 года назад

@@Underworlder5 Alpharad would main it so hard.

@marzipancutter8144 4 года назад

@@0Sloppenheimer Volcano kick can't possibly jablock, you'd have to Jablock with Samus Jab or Mac dair. Not that it matters because Skewer doesn't work on people on the ground for some reason.

@Denizu 4 года назад

"Bloody hell, someone commented already" You might wonder as you see me and Spenstar comment on a video before it even released. Well, let me tell you a little secret. BRIBES! That's right! By handing Mockrock a green bill every month i get front row seats to every Mockrock extravaganza!

@isaacthelad496 4 года назад

Denizu T I M E T R A V E L E R !

@kiduswoldemariam9526 3 года назад

the character that we created would be super hype. Sing, skewer, Warlock Punch? OP

@lowtiertrash7874 3 года назад

e to the n to the d to the lag, what does that spell...............

@peteypiranalover 3 года назад

The drop down airs like Bowser, Ridley, banjo, Greninja are my favorite kind air based moves

@mackenzieratcliffe9356 4 года назад

“Bad because slow” should be the title

@theillusionist1494 4 года назад

“Frame data: defined”

@chefv1deogame 4 года назад

Mackenzie Shoelace yeah. He said that warlock punch is bad because it’s slow, but so is falcon punch. I don’t hate Falcon, but the move is worse than warlock punch.

@theillusionist1494 4 года назад

Elijah Williams I recommend watching that video he suggested. Falcon Punch at least has a few applications in a hypothetical setting, but Warlock Punch is slower and less usable against anything but an opponent who can’t move.

@Jo_Phonda 4 года назад

Little mac nair is fast tho

@colemado4117 4 года назад

Joe Panda and what else tho

@gileswebinger8147 4 года назад

I think most characters could use king dedede dash attack, it's really easy to two frame with, but it's still near the bottom

@ZombieChicken1310 4 месяца назад

Tbh Olimar's neutral air is made as a quick way to push away your opponent from you when you're out of pikmin and need space to pluck them.

@winter460 4 года назад

It has been a long time since I’ve heard this intro and it’s so nostalgic

@mlk_713 4 года назад

How I interpret the whole "move in a vacuum" thing: Does the move help the character work? No.Does the character help the move work? Yes.Then it's not that good of a move.

@harryvpn1462 4 года назад

Ike nair is neutral defining on its own, ike has no guimicks and his jump hight is just normal hight

@FalcoVille 4 года назад

Falco's Up Smash makes me want to puke uncontrollably.

@sirstack59 4 года назад

as a falco secondary, I can't imagine the pain of a Falco main

@lmao2302 4 года назад

And in smash 4 it was good too, why they changed it I will never know.

@Alibaba-id1cs 4 года назад

FalcoVille Sonic:Am I a joke to u? Also nice profile pic

@iUseDemFrapz 4 года назад

it's actually pretty fast tho, it's good when the char isn't short

@Mungusdofu 3 года назад

*Sakurai after watching the Video* Sakurai: Fine its Waluigi's time Waluigi Worst Moveset All of the Worst Tilts, Smash Attacks, and Air Attacks Neutral B: The Waluigi Punch - Just like Warlock Punch but with a Wah Effect Side Special: The Wah Roll - Turns into a Spinball but works Like Yoshi's Side Special (Reference to Waluigi Spinball Stage in Mario Kart) Up Special: The Waluigi Song - Waluigi Sings and instead of falling asleep you get stunned for 2 seconds Down Special: The Ridley Skewer Copycat - Of course Waluigi will copy the Big Time Dragon so instead of using its Tail Waluigi uses his Nose. It will become long For his Final Smash *The Thicc Waluigi* He Turns Thicc like Jigglypuff's Final Smash

@Electro4890 2 года назад

Falcon neutral b is way worse than ganon. Does it have armor? No. Does it kill at 10%? No.

@monkeyjosh339 2 года назад

Is it quicker and longer range, yes

@Electro4890 2 года назад

@@monkeyjosh339 you will never throw out a falcon punch in a serious match. With ganon, you can still use warlock punch sometimes in a match.

@monkeyjosh339 2 года назад

@@Electro4890 i missread, I thought you said falco

@Electro4890 2 года назад

@@monkeyjosh339 oh i thought like how does falcon punch have more range lol

@XxWatchYoBackxX 4 года назад

No way dedede’s dash attack is worse than sonic’s or marth’s. Even in a vacuum

@ImmaFarmerInMalaysia 4 года назад

Oh yeah, Marth's is the worst for sure. Takes like eight years to come out, doesn't 2-frame, is almost impossible to land the tipper, and isn't even that strong.

@Tibovl 4 года назад

I find it difficult to judge dash attacks since they inherently tie in with the characters ground speed. I'd say robin's is pretty bad too. But that might just be because of her slow movement speed. Although the attack also has no range and no combo/kill potential.

@kinopio_Taichou 4 года назад

I agree

@fr0stdr4ke95 4 года назад

Dedede has the strongest dash attack. But not the best.

@firedrake110 4 года назад

Dedede's dash even has two hits, it's twice as good as the competition lol (assuming nobody has a sword - it has one of the lowest priorities in the game lol)

@luigiofthegods459 4 года назад

For the sake of completing the character: Grab: Cloud Pummel: Bayonetta Forward throw: Duck Hunt Back throw: Roy/Chrom Up throw: Little Mac Down throw: Duck Hunt Final Smash: Jigglypuff

@clausy_ssbu2086 4 года назад

bayonetta’s pummel is good whatchu mean

@lttddnulph98 4 года назад

Doesn't Duck Hunt's down throw combo?

@MoltenSkull 4 года назад

Final Smash should be Mii Swordfighters, Jigglypuff is actually kind of good but only on smaller stages like Battlefield or Omega, big stages nope, but atleast theres is good on smaller ones while Mii Swordfighters isnt