The Year Stealth Games Got Serious

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Stealth games were few and far between for much of gaming’s history - until the year 1998 when three huge stealth games came out in the same year. In this video, I’ll explore the conventions that these games established, and ask why ’98 was the year stealth games got serious.
Sources
War Stories: Thief’s intuitive stealth system wasn’t intuitive to design | Ars Technica
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Looking Glass Studios Interview Series - Audio Podcast 5 - Ken Levine | Gambit
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Games shown in this episode (in order of appearance)
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes (Kojima Productions, 2014)
005 (Sega, 1981)
Castle Wolfenstein (Muse Software, 1981)
Metal Gear (Konami, 1987)
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (Konami, 1990)
Metal Gear Solid (Konami, 1998)
Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus (Sucker Punch Productions, 2002)
Splinter Cell: Blacklist (Ubisoft Toronto, 2013)
The Swindle (Size Five Games, 2015)
The Marvellous Miss Take (Wonderstruck, 2014)
Shadow of the Tomb Raider (Eidos Montreal, 2018)
Red Dead Redemption 2 (Rockstar Studios, 2018)
Tenchu: Stealth Assassins (Aquire, 1998)
Thief: The Dark Project (Looking Glass Studios, 1998)
Invisible, Inc. (Klei Entertainment, 2015)
Batman: Arkham Asylum (Rocksteady Studios, 2009)
Dishonored 2 (Arkane Studios, 2016)
Splinter Cell (Ubisoft Montreal, 2002)
Mark of the Ninja (Klei Entertainment, 2012)
Hitman: Blood Money (IO Interactive, 2006)
Alien: Isolation (The Creative Assembly, 2014)
Super Mario 64 (Nintendo, 1996)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (Neversoft, 1999)
Grand Theft Auto (DMA Design, 1997)
PaRappa the Rapper (NanaOn-Sha, 1996)
Alone in the Dark (Infogrames, 1992)
Tomb Raider (Core Design, 1996)
Silent Service II (MicroProse, 1990)
Snake's Revenge (Konami, 1990)
Policenauts (Konami, 1994)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (Konami, 2001)
Volume (Mike Bithell, 2015)
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice (FromSoftware, 2019)
Wolfenstein 3D (id Software, 1992)
DOOM (id Software, 1993)
Music used in this episode
special moment - Dixxy ( / special-moment )
Invisible, Inc. soundtrack - Vince de Vera and Jason Garner (store.steampowered.com/app/37...)
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Castle Wolfenstein (PC/DOS) 1984, Muse Software | Major Thriftwood
• Silent Service II (PC/...
Silent Service II (PC/DOS) 1990, MicroProse, MPS labs | Major Thriftwood
• Policenauts - Intro (P...
Policenauts - Intro (PC-98) [HQ] | Ryusennin
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@duncanurquhart5278 5 лет назад

i appreciate how every single entry in the entire metal gear series was meant to be the last one EXCEPT the actual last one

@RENZEENO 3 года назад

@betia partouche those games were not canon or directed by hideo kojima though

@shardofkingdoms9816 3 года назад

@@RENZEENO portable ops is canon

@RENZEENO 3 года назад

@@shardofkingdoms9816 it looks canon but it's not really. Search it up. So all the stuff about grey fox etc is all scrapped and replaced with peace walker. Kojimas try a delete it from ever being canon kinda thing.

@shardofkingdoms9816 3 года назад

@@RENZEENO I know that, he went back on it and it’s now canon

@RENZEENO 3 года назад

@@shardofkingdoms9816 foreal? I didn't know that's mad

@henryambrose8607 5 лет назад

1998 was in general a great year for games, with Half-Life, Unreal, Banjo-Kazooie, StarCraft, Fallout 2, Ocarina of Time, MGS, Thief, Crash Bandicoot 3, Rogue Squadron, Spyro and more all coming out in that one year.

@lostmontanelas4236 5 лет назад

Crash was not that good of a game, a 3D plataform that barely take any advantage of the 3D, and has a realy weak level desining, terrible sense of depth and so on...

@epiczeven6378 5 лет назад

Also... 1998 Carmageddon 2 (PC) 1998 Point blank 2 (ARCADE) 1998 Theme Hospital (PS1) 1998 Commandos behind enemy lines (PC) 1998 Twisted metal 3 (PS1) 1998 Resident Evil 2 (PS1) 1998 Grim Fandango (PC)

@henryambrose8607 5 лет назад

@@lostmontanelas4236 Maybe (I wouldn't know) but it helped push forward the PlayStation.

@patatica 5 лет назад

all yewels!!!! :)

@SubjektDelta 5 лет назад

too bad it kinda went downhill from there..

@PintsofGuinness 5 лет назад

i randomly met ken levine and his wife in an airport in boston, in about 2015. he was super friendly and actually talked with me for about a half hour. he was down to earth enough to let me nerd out about bioshock without making me feel awkward, but we also talked about all kinds of other stuff. great dude that makes great games.

@uwirl4338 5 лет назад

That sounds amazing. Ken Levine is one of the best minds in the industry for sure. He'll probably be one of the most looked upon gamemakers from our times 20 or 30 years from now. If, y'know, there are still humans left.

@PintsofGuinness 5 лет назад

Uwirlbaretrsidma. Yea I agree. Can’t wait to see what he’s been working on all these years

@deetsitmeisterjd 5 лет назад

@@PintsofGuinness He made perception, the sort of horror game where you play a blind woman.

@JeremyComans 5 лет назад

@@deetsitmeisterjd Deep End was founded by ex-Irrational staff, but Perception had nothing to do with Ken Levine.

@JeremyComans 5 лет назад

@@PintsofGuinness Me too, and it has been a heck of a long time since he has said much of substance. February 2014 - Once the DLC for Infinite are complete, Irrational all but closes. In the following months Levine talks about infinitely replayable stories; his 'narrative lego'. Then silence. February 2017 - Irrational rebranded as Ghost Story Games or something. No news about what they're doing. Silence. It's been two years since then, almost six since Infinite. I hope we hear something soon.

@chrismulholland6202 5 лет назад

"to save you from watching a tiny box in the corner of the screen for the entire game" - I wish devs would consider this in open world 'exploration' games

@Soumein 5 лет назад

Devs: Sooo… you want a BIG box in the corner of the screen?

@Resistant396 5 лет назад

just the whole screen.

@flavoredchin 5 лет назад

BOTW did a decent job showing suspicion, and even gave a small opening to dispatch enemies right after they notice you.

@ketrub 5 лет назад

that's why i love Far Cry's huge arrows on the terrain instead of a gps

@KuraIthys 5 лет назад

@@flavoredchin I don't think that's what the OP was talking about. More like how the average open world game forces you to stare at the minimap constantly. BOTW allows you to turn this off of course, but that's not a solution to the problem, just a way to change the gameplay (since you don't get a replacement for the mini map if you turn it off.)

@Ammoniumbicarbonat 5 лет назад

After playing Thief The Dark Project last year, I can easily say it's one of my favourite games ever and it's aged like fine wine. The atmosphere, ambient sounds and Garrett's voice overs are just brilliant.

@GregoryFlynn 5 лет назад

I feel like 1997's Goldeneye deserves some mention, too, as a sort of midway point. That's the first game I personally recall playing that encouraged me to try to be stealthy.

@user-iq9ot5ju9d 5 лет назад

Great video Mark, but you failed to mention how Thief's sound design is still revolutionary even today, because almost no stealth games have tried to improve or even emulate it. Not even dishonored. In many games, you figure out if a guard is behind a door by looking through the keyhole, or even using a see through walls power. But Thief is so immersive to the point that pressing Garrett up against a door and using the lean button into the door will give you the ability to hear what is behind the door. This is really impressive. In Thief, you don't need a radar because of all the locational sound data coming out of your two speakers. You don't even have to see guards to avoid their locations, you just listen for when their footsteps start to become quieter, which signifies they are facing away from your current location.

@mattmorehouse9685 4 года назад

Really? I like Dishonored, but I have to say, the lack of informational powers is kind of an odd thing. You've only got dark vision and its upgrade in the original game, while 2 had a second upgrade that allowed you to see where enemies were going. That, and the base power is quite cheap, at 1/ 2 runes in the first/ second games, and combines several effects. You get night vision, can see representations of the sound you make, can see through walls and see short cones of enemy vision. I guess part of it was to focus on the action, but I think there is a real possibility to get into the details of information in stealth games. Like maybe you could make a game about blending in with a crowd and have the player hear their thoughts, or something. Assassin's Creed had the former, but you were so good at climbing and sword fighting (and the enemy guards were so patient and polite) it felt like you didn't have to use it all that much.

@luizbastos5973 5 лет назад

I know that's not the main point of the video, but i just wanted to say your editing style is really good!

@luizbastos5973 5 лет назад

@Tucker Elliott it's really cool to look back and realize how the content is improving

@fl0wey57 5 лет назад

For me, my favorite editing part was the year transition between 1990 and 1998 in the beginning, seeing a bit of history of the games industries most prominent moments is a really nice sudden touch. Seeing Super Metroid in 1994, the game I literally finished today! -(still got to get the collectibles and rest of the endings)- As it's literally the second thing you see on the screen after the Nintendo logo, makes me mark this game in my memory just like it did when I first saw that date.

@mustanaamiotto3812 5 лет назад

yes.

@bio0link 5 лет назад

Thief's sound system is still unmatched in every single stealth game. One of the best things thief perfected no other game has even tried to get right.

@ACEdeBASS 5 лет назад

I'm surprised there was no mention of Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines, which coincidentally was also released in 1998. Though I think it's described as a 'tactics' game and you control multiple characters, it heavily features stealth and has enemy vision cones.

@muzboz 5 лет назад

Commandos was also a great stealth game, for sure.

@Yungblut 5 лет назад

I was thinking the same! I was wondering if Commandos is well known outside spanish speaking countries.

@StealthDocs 5 лет назад

I never got into the Commandos series, but developed a new appreciation for them when I started looking at tactical stealth games. Although a bit awkward to handle at first, the high-tension moments when infiltrating a base and pulling off the perfect sabotage was worth persisting for!

@fenerliuzun4476 5 лет назад

@@Yungblut It has a considerable amount of followers in Turkey.

@eugene7914 5 лет назад

@@Yungblut yup I think it was quite a big deal here in Russia too

@Ashamedofmypast 5 лет назад

Theif is still one of the most intelligent stealth games ever designed, audio is magnificent and having to pay for good maps is something that should be common now.

@epiczeven6378 5 лет назад

Gaming as a whole got serious in 1998 :D! Also, I think Commandos Behind Enemy Lines was a huge Stealth Game in 1998.

@francosoler1756 5 лет назад

Awesome game

@matiasblasi_music 5 лет назад

I'm currently playing it, but without saving between levels, it really gets interesting that way. Thief 1 feels beautifuly the same way.

@clockwork204 5 лет назад

I was just about to mention this. Commandos is an awesome stealth / tactics game.

@waveplay3978 5 лет назад

Thanks for mentioning it. Commandos is still a brilliant game, single-handedly establishing a new genre that has largely stayed the same until today. I hold Commandos in the same high regard as I do Thief.

@epiczeven6378 5 лет назад

Brilliant Indeed, one of my childhood's favorite :)

@Tiagofvarela 5 лет назад

Another stealth game that released in 1998 is Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines. Due to its top down perspective, it was different from the others shown here, but it too contained enemy view-cones and visual indicators for sound.

@ShinoSarna 5 лет назад

It was also a strategy/tactical game.

@june_flower 5 лет назад

I can't recommend Thief and Thief II enough. I played them recently and Thief II is probably my favorite stealth game now.

@anldemir9755 5 лет назад

First Hitman game needs more praise for its stealth. Even though it came 2 years after Thief or Tenchu, it had a different kind of stealth feel to it by changing player intimacy level with NPCs dramatically through a level.

@Omran_90 5 лет назад

Metal Gear was seriously a game from future. Most of the features presented in the game were new, unique and unusual. I mean you had to use controller 2 to fight a boss wth. There were so many more amazing ones. The details were extremely surprising and fun.

@TheSphereHunter 5 лет назад

Thief is such a great game!

@josiahgottschalk2312 5 лет назад

Yo I love your videos. Ultra Badass!

@josiahgottschalk2312 5 лет назад

Have you ever tried Dishonored? If you haven't id definitely recommend it. It has an incredible amount of player choice if you like that type of game.

@xgrillsenx 5 лет назад

Thief the dark project is truly amazing. Not only is it the best stealth game ever made, its one the best games of all time.

@fenerliuzun4476 5 лет назад

You are such a great creator!

@josiahgottschalk2312 5 лет назад

@@xgrillsenx should I try it if I like dishonored?

@Pablo_IF 5 лет назад

Mark, you forgot to mention the great "Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines" for PC, developed by Pyro Studios and published by Eidos also in 1998 :))

@kevingriffith6011 5 лет назад

I used to call the playstation 1 era a golden age for the JRPG, but I'm starting to think it stretched into almost every genre. The technology was powerful enough to support genres that could never have existed before, the limits on the size of the game were cut back dramatically and it was basically open season for trying new things with the established gameplay rules of the previous generation. Don't get me wrong, the generations that came after were nothing to sneeze at, but the N64/Playstation 1 was a quantum leap in games hardware at the time.

@jackgarcia5926 5 лет назад

I mean, not really? It was a super influential time for sure, but most games of that era aged like milk left in the sun. And a big reason for that is precisely because devs were experimenting like crazy, and they obviously made a lot of mistakes along the way. Heck ironically, the games that aged the best from the era are 2D games like SotN, Mischief makers, Klonoa etc. Try playing MGS nowadays, the game is hell. Kinda like NES like that, which also laid a ridiculous amount of bases for design, but SNES games in general are vastly superior. PS: Jrpg's peaked during the SNES era, Valkyrie profile not withstanding.

@kevingriffith6011 5 лет назад

@@jackgarcia5926I think our definitions of golden ages are a little different. I do agree that most of the games that came out then are borderline unplayable if they relied on the 3D graphics of the time and I also agree that some of the best JRPGs of all time were on the SNES, but the library of great to good JRPGs on the PS1 is significantly larger (Final Fantasies 7-9, Legend of Dragoon, Wild Arms, Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire 3, to name a few), not to mention the huge library of games that just couldn't be accomplished on any system before it (Armored Core, Thief, Tenshu, Grand Theft Auto, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Brave Fencer Musashi to name a few). There just hasn't been a transition as influential on gaming as moving from 2D to 3D, alongside the much higher capacity media of CDs.

@jackgarcia5926 5 лет назад

@@kevingriffith6011 Well, IMO, i mostly mean that because the bases of JRPG's legitimately reached their apex in the SNES, it honestly hasn't seen any major overhauls since those days, the PSX era of JRPG's was in many ways, just a continuation of that. A good chunk of the biggest games at the time were just new entries on franchises that solidified themselves in Snes, like Breath of Fire, FF, Chrono trigger, Tales of,Dragon Quest etc. It of course also saw a good amount of new blood which were amazing mind you (Suikoden, Valkyrie profile etc) In addition to that, all of those games also suffered because of the hardware, game play didn't actually change, but now you had to deal with Loading screens, which were absolute hell when the game also happened to have random encounters. As a result, SNES rpg's aged very well, while games like FF VII border on the unbearable. Mind you, i am not denying the PSX era was amazing for the genre (Vagrant Story, FF Tactics, Legend of Mana, Valkyrie profile and so on) but the big splash was on the SNES IMO, and if we are talking about sheer numbers, PS2 had just as much, if not more games of the genre, the hardware was better suited for them, and companies like Atlus and NIS began to make a real entrance on the western market, which gave more variety, as opposed to PSX era which was mostly just Square soft, that while an amazing company back then, was in the middle of it's mad quest of trying to recreate the success that was FF VII and that negatively affected a lot of games under it's banner at the time (Xenogears in particular comes to mind, as well as FF VIII). Anyhow, those are just my (dreadfully long winded) thoughts.

@KuraIthys 5 лет назад

I actually found a surprising number of 3d game incarnations were by some definitions less complex and smaller games than their 2d predecessors. This certainly doesn't apply to stuff like the JRPG, but it does apply to other genres... Like the 3d platformer. It was a major technological shift. It's not that it allowed more complex games in general, but rather that 3d environments required a different mindset and approach that lent itself to different ideas than 2d... And of course, it was a period of experimentation precisely BECAUSE 3d was new and unfamiliar and a lot of the established ideas simply didn't work right if you took them straight from 2d to 3d...

@doburu4835 5 лет назад

Snes bruh

@roentgen519 5 лет назад

I absolutely love Thief TDP and the first time I played it was a few years ago, so no nostalgia involved. The stealth is fun but the atmosphere and setting are even greater.

@blade9871 5 лет назад

Finally, some love my favorite PS1/PS2 stealth series: Tenchu.

@rawbertdogler 5 лет назад

BRING TENCHU BACK IN 2019

@xmus4023 5 лет назад

Seems very interesting if it wasn't for the dense dark field-of-view. Would be great if it was remastered.

@hiperbird 5 лет назад

What... WHAT!? Miyazaki the madman, has helped creating two different genres.

@binxmaster 5 лет назад

Only those who owned a PS1 knows of the legend

@Faruq-xn4gj 5 лет назад

@@hiperbird Actually Miyazaki never working on Stealth games before Sekiro, what game genres Miyazaki have been working on is Mecha genre Armored Core: Last Raven but not as Director and as Director in Armored Core 4: For Answer, the other genre is Dark Fantasy like Demon's Soul, Dark Souls series, and Bloodborne as Director with exception Dark Souls 2.

@MitchellD249 5 лет назад

It really is fascinating that so much of the core gameplay has just stayed as is for 20 years on a basis of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Did gameplay developers really just nail it that early and figure out optimal stealth gameplay, or is there an alternative universe where something else took off instead and a radically different stealth genre exists?

@henryambrose8607 5 лет назад

I think that it's a bit of both. Those features tend to just make for good stealth, but a genre is often defined by its earliest iterations.

@VoilaTadaOfficial 5 лет назад

Some games DO toy with these mechanics. Even just from MGS to MGS2, they added a state of detection between Caution and Alert where you've been spotted, but only by one guard and he can alert more guards with a radio, and another state where if the radio call is interrupted, an investigation squad is sent to the guard's last known location.

@TyphonNeuron 5 лет назад

"if it ain't broke don't fix it" is actually a critique used against other game series that changed for the worst over the years, however for stealth games it remained like it is simply because no one is making stealth games anymore and thus no one is trying to nuance, develop, transform, revolutionize any aspects of this type of gameplay. Sure, there are a lot of games that incorporate some stealth in them but it stays the same, those games aren't actual stealth games they're just hybrids, to allow various playstyles not to progress or perfect the stealth gameplay nor the other playstyles, like combat or whatever else the game allows, and they end up being shallow not deep, as the stealth in Splinter Cell 1/2/3 or Thief 1/2/3 can't really be compared to, for example stealth in DXHR/MD or Dishonored or SC Conviction or Blacklist.

@VoilaTadaOfficial 5 лет назад

@@TyphonNeuron I don't think that's necessarily the case. There are plenty of indie titles that have been toying with stealth over the past 10 years. One that has a decent amount of footage in this video is Invisible Inc. which is a turn based rogue like that is entirely a stealth game. You can't play that game and not consider it a stealth game, but at the same time, it's turn based so you have unlimited time to think about your next action (unless you turn on turn timers, but they are off by default so I think they're in there for the advanced players that want a challenge). This is VERY different from many stealth games in the past where the whole game revolves around thinking on your feet to avoid mistakes and fix problems made from mistakes you didn't avoid.

@zebedeesummers4413 5 лет назад

@@VoilaTadaOfficial I think Aragami would be a good example of a stealth game. It was released in 2016 and is one of my favorite games. While it didn't add many new stealth mechanics it does add it's own mechanics that have stealth feel and force you to play different.

@mariapazgonzalezlesme 5 лет назад

Would I like about stealth - type games, it's that give you a mental challenge and practically make you to "take things slow". Like you need to use every gear within your brain to find the best path to don't make any mistake, keep at seat's edge, being more aware of the surroundings and sounds.

@chickensangwich97 5 лет назад

Extra Credits had a great video about this years ago. They argue (I think persuasively) that stealth is actually a closer relative to puzzle games than, say, a shooter. The fantasy of most action games is being the strongest person in the room, but the fantasy of a stealth game is being the cleverest person in the room.

@theparodymonster1 5 лет назад

Have you played shadow tactics: blades of the shogun? Its really great

@JanusVesta 5 лет назад

Just a minor error in the video. The lights on Sam Fisher's back only became an indication of visibility in Double Agent and later games, when they switched to a binary visibility system. In the first three games the lights exist to let the player keep track of Sam's position in complete darkness, something the later games removed (the darkness, not the lights). The first three Splinter Cell games use a light metre which functions similarly to Thief's gem, with Chaos Theory adding a sound metre which showed ambient noise as well as how much noise you were making.

@skull8093 5 лет назад

That 98 in the thumbnail with the patterned dithering made me unreasonably nostalgic. Not because of the year, but because of the patterned pixel gradient.

@Ammoniumbicarbonat 5 лет назад

Haha I've been studying pixel dithering in college it's really cool

@skull8093 5 лет назад

@@Ammoniumbicarbonat i'm so sorry for you

@dr.snowman4883 5 лет назад

is it that hard to make pixels?

@Hoarseplay 5 лет назад

Excellent video! 1998 is the best year of video games and this is just one of the reasons why. I would, however, like to correct a minor mistake you made: FromSoft would not acquire the IP for Tenchu until 2004. Every Tenchu game had different publishers, both in and out of Japan. The first Tenchu game (of which there are 4 versions of) was first published by SMEJ in Japan, and later Activision for western releases.

@MetalB1985 5 лет назад

My favorite game of all time is Thief 2. It also comes from my childhood experience, where i would sneak around in places, where i didn't belong. Thief captured this fillings, i had in my small adventures. Sadly the Dishonored series just doesn't hit the heights of Thief. First they are too focused on making you into a killer, they just aren't dark enough, have the amazing mission design and just don't include sound as a major game mechanic. Really hope that someday, somebody would follow up on Thief.

@Saladinos 5 лет назад

So basically, Metal Gear was the progenitor of all... And nowadays the stealth genre is considered as a kinda generic concept since many action games tend to have stealth sections. An amazing video for some of the best stealth games in existence! Superb!!!

@Zimpfnis 5 лет назад

I could listen to you talk about thief and stealth games for another few hours.

@variousthings6470 5 лет назад

GoldenEye from 1997 was also an example of prominent stealth gameplay in an extremely successful game. OK, so staying hidden in GoldenEye is not *essential* to competing any level, even on the highest difficulty. But remaining unseen is nearly always advantageous: avoiding long bursts of unsurpressed gunfire helps manage the number of enemies that converge toward the sound of your gunshots, and shooting out CCTV cameras before they can spot Bond prevents them from trigger infinite enemy spawning. But it was not until Perfect Dark that Rare made avoiding detection an absolutely strict part of mission success/failure cristeria (e.g. the Chicago, Area 5, and Air Base levels).

@timpind.8237 5 лет назад

I’m so happy that video games are being recognized as the art that they are. The fact that a job like yours can exist even at all makes me so excited for the future of gaming, and I’m glad that channels like these, that give video games the professional and in-depth look that so many other forms of entertainment get, are able to exist and brighten our days like this. Keep up the good work, GMTK! We’re loving your content!

@lolphie8493 5 лет назад

Mark, I just want to say that I'm really grateful that I've found one of my favorite games when I was a child. I remember playing Tenchu 3 in a rental store near my house when I was a kid, I couldn't understand what the story is but I'm really happy back then when I discovered how to use the grapple hook. Sadly I've never really finished even first mission because the store closed down soon after and soon forget about it. I remembered it again while playing Mgs:pw and search for it but no I had no luck until today. I know this became kinda lengthy but I just want to thank you and keep up the good work.

@Brok. 5 лет назад

Like so many others, you're forgetting the *other* most cited influence on the making of Thief: Goldeneye 007, from 1997. So many of your stealth features mentioned here were already in Goldeneye a year earlier, with neutral state guards that can be alerted through sight or sound, open ended non-linear levels with multiple paths, non-combatants you will be punished for killing, varied objectives based on what difficulty you're aiming for, being underarmed compared to your enemies - emphasising stealth and an avoidance of combat, etc etc.

@grimalexx 5 лет назад

Finally someone talking about Thief. I love it, but it sadly almost not talked about anymore, even when people talk about stealth games, they (for some unknown reason??) forget to mention such an iconic game as thief. I would love if there was a new game that used similar light/dark and sound (different materials different noise) mechanics. I know that usually enemies don't see you that well in the dark, but it's very subtle and the noise is only louder when you run. Just my thoughts xd Anyway, great work, keep making videos :)

@douglasbaiense 5 лет назад

The first stealth game I ever played was Bonanza Brothers for Sega Genesis, more than 20 years ago. I still remember how mesmerized I was when I saw Metal Gear Solid on PS1 for the first time. It was the most inovative game I haver ever seen. Some time later I also played Syphon Filter for PS1, in it I used that shoot the lights strategy quite often. Good times

@Disthron 5 лет назад

Hmm... I'm not sure about the technology point brought up at 7:28. I mean Alone in the Dark came out back in 1992 and was first released on Diskett. 10:14 The Kojima quote is much more compelling. Though it's talking about better rendering technology (polygons) not so much about storage space. I mean, I'm sure storage space was a factor, but I think it's telling that most of the features discussed are present in the MSX game, which probably came on diskette as well. Anyway, another good video.

@MrTaikobo 5 лет назад

I’m so happy someone mentioned Tenchu Stealth Assassins, it was a great game that utilized stealth in such a thought provoking way and even the later games continue to use stealth as it’s primary objective. What I didn’t know was that Sekiro was originally going to be a Tenchu game. I wanted to get it beforehand but I sorta thought it’d be another spin on the soulsborne series, but since it’s like Tenchu, that’s a horse of a different color. I’m definitely getting it. In terms of stealth games in general, I always heard about how MGS pioneered the genre into what it is today and, while I knew of Thief and have played the console game from...2014, I think, I never played the original. It would be nice to do a Tenchu marathon, see how the franchise evolved.

@fl0wey57 5 лет назад

And can't stress enough how good this channel is. Almost every moment I watch it's an interesting nod for me to see and think. From the pictures transitions between the years 1990 and 1998, showing such gems as Super Metroid. -(which I detailed more on one of the top comments here)- The simple premise of questions you bring every video, making it the usually the most minimalist thumbnail to click on, but that brings so, so, so much more. Your editing, which has seen a lot of improvement over time. Your awesome scripts, from piecing together scarred knowledge from each story behind the developer, it's origins before the project, the development struggle, and the careers it builds to new and old alike. All to tell a bigger picture(or maybe small depending on how you look) of the IMMENSE game industry and it's life. You're one of few the really shows your heart and soul on your work, always delivering such good videos. *I really hope* you reach the million mark one day, you deserve it :)

@eugene7914 5 лет назад

I love all gmtk stuff, and this video is very indicative of how Mark's style is evolving. A very well-structured essay on a lesser-discussed topic. Can't wait to see what 2019 brings for your channel, Mark!

@PencilCase6B 5 лет назад

I remember playing Thief 2 and 3 with headphones, in complete dark. I was a child and some moments were really creepy... Also this trilogy had a really good story. it developed so well through the series, and the conclusion was really good.

@ShinoSarna 5 лет назад

11:25 Fun fact: Wolfenstein 3D was originally going to be a 3D stealth game (because it was inspired by the Castle Wolfenstein games you mentioned in the vid), but the idea was scrapped because there were issues with pacing. There are still remainders of that idea - you can still sneak up on enemies with their backs turned, your melee weapon is a knife, and the game has guard patrol paths implemented.

@captainnomekop5056 5 лет назад

I was checking for a new episode all day for some reason, I’m glad I was

@IronicSonic83 5 лет назад

Great video as always!. I love how clean is your footage of 32 bit games as well!

@fenderman21guitar 5 лет назад

Your videos are so polished mate, excellent work

@juancarlosquinterotobia88 5 лет назад

Okay guys, million dollar idea. Mark Brown+Ahoy=?????

@ACE-ej4fu 5 лет назад

they would make a grea team. also i think ahoy's real name is stuart brown

@ominousonion7197 5 лет назад

@@ACE-ej4fu the brown bros

@tyler-xo3rb 5 лет назад

but, Ahoy actually says things of substance. what would mark do?

@juancarlosquinterotobia88 5 лет назад

@@tyler-xo3rb well that's interesting. Why do you think Mark doesn't say anything of substance?

@tyler-xo3rb 5 лет назад

@@juancarlosquinterotobia88 juan carlos quintero tobia this video is a perfect example of what mark does. if I asked you what mark really said in this video, what would you say? he described surface level mechanics of a bunch of stealth games, without answering the question that he asked. Which is, you know, the goal of the video. he does this all the time. Another example being the cuphead video. For 10 minutes he tells you things like "the evemy here shoots at you, forcing you to move out of the way." As if it's some sort of genius dissection of the game. but because he's soft spoken and his editing is good, people think he's a game design genius. He plays a game, and tells you what he and any other person with a brain would see while playing, but because he's so inoffensive and timid, it goes in one ear and out the other. that's not to say he's never made a good video, but for $10,000 a month, he makes far too many videos that have pretty visuals, and vapid content.

@viridisspielt 5 лет назад

Awesome video as usual, I really like the new editing style! Some critique though: When you talk about in-game audio (like the floor tiles etc) I want to hear that audio in the video as well to really get an impression of how it sounds :)

@K3zster 5 лет назад

Great video, very insightful. MG2: Solid Snake is an incredible game and holds up well even today, way ahead of its time. I am a big fan of stealth as a genre, and I think MGS kicked all that off for me. I know pedantry can be frowned upon but personally I prefer to be told about stuff like this, so I'm going to go ahead. It sounds like you say "tenants" instead of "tenets", not sure if it is simply me mishearing the pronunciation or a mixing of words.

@carprincess 5 лет назад

As usual your videos are always so well thought out. Thanks for the analysis 👍

@parkerargyle4112 5 лет назад

I love how you edited the invisible inc. title to come in at the exact moment that the hud did. Goodness you edit so well

@AshleyTheSwift 5 лет назад

It's ya boi Mark Brown! Missed you dude. 1998 was an insane year for games. Nice of you to cover it in-depth like this and not just a broad look though.

@justember794 5 лет назад

I really like this very specific, in-depth look at gaming history! I'd like to see more, keep it up! (But also do what you want; happy RU-vidrs are most important, after all.)

@CinematographyDatabase 5 лет назад

🍻 thanks for the history lesson and mechanics study

@s0uls4nd 3 года назад

@Aklipse47 5 лет назад

I love this series so much it is what inspired me to start making games.

@Quark281 5 лет назад

The new editing is looking really nice and slick!

@mothersbasement 5 лет назад

Have you played the Styx series? It's sort of a blend between thief's open level design philosophy and assassin's creed's climbing mechanics. It's a bit janky, but if you haven't given it a shot I think you might really dig it.

@mikelimakilokiloromeo 5 лет назад

oh wait I love those games ! worth lots of tryharding evenings

@futurelink1359 5 лет назад

I like when I see youtubers I follow on video's of other youtubers I follow. I hope you do a new service announcement soon but I get that there's so much you are trying to do already. Keep up the great work man.

@deetsitmeisterjd 5 лет назад

Styx are both fantastic games, with some great open ended stealth and some interesting mechanics and powers (slightly let down by the latter half of both games being the first halves levels just backwards)

@totlyepic 5 лет назад

I was surprised to see something like The Swindle (which has gotten not-so-great overall reception) in the video but not Styx.

@CaelumN0ctis 5 лет назад

Oh hell no. "a bit janky" is putting it very mildly. Painfully mediocre games - I could not for the life of me get into them.

@gentlesirpancakebottoms6692 5 лет назад

All 3 original Thief games are amazing. Thief(3) Deadly shadows is totally underrated, but Thief 1&2 is just amazing. I played them for the first time ever last year and they are some of my favourite games of all time now. I totally missed out as a kid but I would probably be too scared anyway:)

@ThePainkiller9995 5 лет назад

splinter cell chaos theory is my shit. i'm playing again after so many years and it aged sooo well

@tombiermann3240 5 лет назад

Happy 2019 everyone here! I really think this is one of the nicest communities!

@SeanNoonan 5 лет назад

I'd never heard of 005 before - always nice to hear about a game that passed me by.

@MrEst97 5 лет назад

I really love your videos for a reason I've only just realised. I learn so much from them but I'll probably never in my life make a video game. What you've taught me instead is that by analysing lots of something I can begin to understand what makes those things effective and why. So for my upcoming biology reports in uni this year I'll prepare by reading and taking apart scientific papers the way that you take apart video games. I thank you a lot for making my uni life easier, or my music career easier, or even things like cooking food.

@Horzinicla 5 лет назад

Finally! You made a video about stealth games. This is by far the best game analysis channel. Great job Mark

@tageakerstrom4167 5 лет назад

your editing is moving towards Ahoys and i love it

@judgementkazikun890 5 лет назад

Really enjoyed the video mate. Keep up the good work.

@andre.drezus 5 лет назад

Thanks a ton, Mark. In our college's final assignment, me and my friends decided to subvert the stealth genre trope by making it not about physical or militar danger but psychological and cultural danger. For that purpose, I had to first write a essay about the stealth genre history, and it's pretty much summed up in your 12 minute video. In the end, we developed a game that had a very successful grade and we're hoping we get the time and resources someday to finish it properly and maybe star in one of your future videos! ❤️

@djangoturismo 5 лет назад

Great video dude, really well done.

@destrariyan9945 5 лет назад

Nice video as usual. Keep up the good work!!

@tenchumatt 5 лет назад

Very nice video, 1998 was a good year for the Playstation and when i fell in love with stealth games. looking forward to the next one. Side note, thank you for pronouncing Tenchu correctly as so many other you-tubers call it Ten-ku when they talk about Sekiro, its become a bit of a pet peeve.

@TheRageng 5 лет назад

Brilliant video! I love these kinds of gaming history lessons. :)

@kodlak 5 лет назад

You're an inspiration my guy. Love the video!

@youtubeadvertisementservic2190 5 лет назад

Finally, been waiting for this GMTM for ages!

@SheezyBites 5 лет назад

Man, Silent Service... now that's a game I haven't thought about in a long time! I loved that game as a kid! Great video as always Mark... just don't mind me I'm going to go relive my childhood in a submarine.

@D0NUTSandwich 5 лет назад

Fantastic video as always. Just a note for others reading that Tenchu Stealth Assassins wasn’t published by From Software, but the point remains that Sekiro is clearly heavily inspired by Tenchu

@dave1805 5 лет назад

Always a pleasure to watch your videos

@AbbreviatedReviews 5 лет назад

Hm... I was writing a story on 1998 in gaming and this video is like half of it. I'm still gonna do it though because 1998 was a year for many major contributions to gaming for the next two decades. There are a lot of years defined by a handful of influential games, but it's surprising just how many were in that year and had such a far-reaching effect.

@matiasblasi_music 5 лет назад

You've readed my mind, i'm currently playing MGS3, Thief 1 and Commandos Behind Enemy Lines, a childhood game i want to get through without saving between missions, same with Thief that i've never played before. I was thinking about 98 a few days ago, it was the year Thief, MGS and Commandos came out, the defining games for the stealth genre. And i think stealth games complement with your video about Playing Past Your Mistakes, it's something that i imposed to myself, not saving between levels. It makes the game more interesting, inmersive and really makes you nervous (besides making it more challenging). But this thing only works in a PC game like Thief or Commandos where you can save. I really recommend you try Commandos, it's a really interesting game, and a different approach to WW2. Great video like always, and late happy New Year!

@cameronmay4964 5 лет назад

Another amazing video as always

@grahamwalker2168 5 лет назад

Interesting video which I enjoyed as always- it’s surprising you chose to kick the year off with a look back to 23 years ago though

@stuin01 5 лет назад

I am just going to say that I love your choice of music for this. Invisible Inc music really fit the discussion well.

@steveempiremantra2120 5 лет назад

Great content as always

@mrhellobunny 5 лет назад

Great video as always!!

@Croc212 5 лет назад

Submarine simulators deserve more recognition as stealth games. Dangerous Waters has been my jam for the last year. There's nothing like prowling around, surrounded by enemy vessels, waiting for an opportunity to rise to radio depth, receive target coordinates for a tomahawk strike, and then slip away after unleashing them all. Or, hunting down a single Russian sub in a sea of noisy shrimp and other creatures. The suspense is brilliant, and it kind of plays like a puzzle game because you need to piece together sonar data to build a target solution for your torpedoes, all the while paranoid that they're onto you. I think the company that made it also made training simulations for the US Navy.

@GoldenJLR 5 лет назад

Bonanza Bros. (1990 - arcade, mega drive/genesis and master system) also has Stealth elements not as the main focus but it's there

@skalhen3704 5 лет назад

Commandos behind enemy lines: 1998!!

@Jagerbomber 5 лет назад

That barrel level was always my favorite Sly level, even though it's so short. It cracked me up so much back then.

@PSPbrtag 5 лет назад

One thing that i've always wanted to see in stealth games is a more hardcore approach were being spotted at least once puts the game into a perpetual attention state that won't just go away. Like how in MGS, when they find you in the interior of a top security facility but after a few minutes of hiding everyone goes back to their routine instead of actually locking the place down and look for you in every nook and cranny. Hitman is the main game where this would be great, the levels are short but they don't react enough to your actions. The world doesn't react to you killing one of your targets and a whole team of guards, once you get out of their sight and change your clothes the level will just continue normally. They should call for reinforcements and the police, the civilians on the map should change their routines and the whole area should be put on total lockdown with lots of new enemies patrolling and actually seeking you down. That would make an silent assassination that looks like an accident much more crucial.

@benwasserman8223 5 лет назад

Ahh Metal Gear Solid: the birth place of long cinematic cutscenes, mainstream stealth mechanics and cardboard boxes as go-to disguises

@uwirl4338 5 лет назад

It was the first modern game ever made. All that Sony does year after year is copy it's formula, and while the resulting games are usually fantastic as well, they tend to be too similar. Yet somehow MGS still shines for it's uniqueness.

@Gadget-Walkmen 5 лет назад

HiperMercurio01 LMAO Yeah not even fucking close sweet-cheeks. Nice job on getting it twisted.

@Grapefruit5000 5 лет назад

Love every single video of yours

@ydyufyffyfyfyfyfyfyf 5 лет назад

I love this historical stuff, especially when you talked about why these games might've came out when they did and earlier games with similar ideas.

@alexandermayr7 5 лет назад

OMG a new GMKT! I am so happy, been waiting :) instalike, thanks Mark!

@Death13Horseman 5 лет назад

As long as I can remember, I just loved playing stealth games. Metal Gear sort of influenced me that way, maybe its because it is my favourite video game franchise of all time. There is just a unique thrill and fun only stealth games could provide. Hiding in the shadows, making every step count, distracting the enemy, taking them down before they even realise what's going on, using the environment as your playground to traverse the level unseen. I really long for hardcore stealth games such Thief or perhaps a new Splinter Cell, or a revival of the Tenchu series, hell a real Ninja game (no Ninja Gaiden beat them ups). As always brilliant video on my favourite genre of games.

@Xyabra 5 лет назад

Love the transition It's never the same

@replayed7082 5 лет назад

Absolutely wonderful video

@ihabnovalic9821 5 лет назад

Cant wait for Hollow Knight boss keys

@maaaybegreat 5 лет назад

I'd prefer Axiom Verge boss keys.

@glungusgongus 5 лет назад

@@maaaybegreat how about both

@Evoleo 5 лет назад

And an Ori one

@jvcmarc 5 лет назад

and a The Messenger one as well

@uwirl4338 5 лет назад

@@maaaybegreat As a massive fan of both games, while it would be neat to have an episode of both, I'd go with Hollow Knight if I had to choose one. The bosses in that game are ridiculously well designed.

@Sephiel263 5 лет назад

1998 was the absolute best year in gaming. So many landmark titles in almost every genre, MGS, Thief, Deus Ex, Fallout 2, Half Life, Starcraft, Ocarina of Time, Crash 3 Warped, Spyro the Dragon, Soul Calibur, Final Fantasy Tactics, Xenogears, SaGa Frontier, Suikoden II, Parasite Eve, F-Zero X and the release of the last great console with the Dreamcast.

@gruetwo3424 3 года назад

Wasn't Deus Ex released in the year 2000?

@_Rick___Grimes_ 3 года назад

amazing video man

@Biouke 5 лет назад

Oh yeah was is good to be 12 in 1998 \o/ And how good it is to have some Tenchu remembered, and scrutinised by an analyst like you

@davidgorman994 5 лет назад

Great video. I adored Thief.

@DavMCycle 5 лет назад

I love Tenchu, Metal gear, Hitman, Dishonored, the Arkham series, those games had been influential among others, and helped with the evolution of stealth games, from time to time I go back to play some of those amazing games.

@abdullahen1591 5 лет назад

Amazing videos!

@Metroid4ever 5 лет назад

I love stealth missions in games. I love sniping baddies. It forces you to slow down and pay attention to every little detail. Even in non-stealth games, I love being able to snipe enemies. It's my preferred way of fighting, bring down the number of enemies before I go in and confront face-to-face.