The Zodiac Girlz: The Lost It-Girls of Astrology 

re: “i got in a car accident”: i’m okay now! i was just in the hospital to get some images taken on my ribs and they were just bruised, not broken. but it did put my last week in disarray and delay this video. but shoutout to myself for managing to remember to record that bit despite being concussed

I think instead of having the Gemini twins they could have made one Gemini who's superpower is cloning herself, thus leaving so much more room for personality

The twins of Gemini have always had individual names, predominantly Castor and Pollux, so there's really no excuse for this version of them to be nameless.

I think an automatic downfall of these girls is just having main girls. It makes sense in most ensemble casts to have a few characters that are more important than others, but if I'm a little girl, I'm going to feel alienated and left out if my star sign isn't one of the main characters. Why would I want to identify with something where I'm pushe do the sideline?

As a Gemini, the roast wasn’t even that the twins are each other’s best friends, it’s that they’re the least interesting characters out of the whole cast. The creators were clearly very biased, they did us dirty 💀

The Zodiac Girlz feels like what would've probably happened with Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls if Lauren Faust tried to make the whole series by herself instead of just keeping it as more of a portfolio and project to pitch. You have the character designs, the push for dolls and an odd niche that can work but there's such a lack in putting these characters into an actual story that the whole thing ends up completely falling apart.

downright horrifying that john k was a designer for the proposed show and with the show's plot didn't make it better 😭 the zodiac girlz deserve so much better

Pisces: -Has super sensitive hearing, more of a detriment than a super power. -Her closest friends are a such because they prefer parallel interaction as opposed to more direct interaction Me, an autistic pisces: 👀

As a Sagittarius, as the girls were being described I was like, "wow, Sagittarius has no friends, does she? That hurts." And a person can be bookish while also liking video games, there's so much math and nerding out when you get into the grit of them.

ngl zodiac girlz feels absolutely primed and ready for a modern reboot with a more magical girl bent in the vein of something like winx club or lolirock - really lean into the superpowered teens fighting crime thing by giving them cool transformations and flashy magical powers that correspond with their signs. if they were really determined to squeeze a doll line out of it as well, then the magical girl angle could give them an excuse to make lots of different kinds of dolls for all their different transformations.

i think a nice way they could've given gemini 2 separate names would be making them gemmie and naia, atleast that's what came to mind, also i am happy that you mentioned the diversity problems, as a latino the second i heard that aries was loud and liked fighting with people i cringed a bit, not to mention i am also an aries.

I would say the twins also uses the "Siamese twins" thing along with the school uniform and "smart" labels

yeah as a gemini, i can say that being my own best friend is not a roast but simply the truth.

I think the dolls could have more closely resembled their original designs if they had been done in a rag doll style instead, à la Groovy Girls. This would have ESPECIALLY helped in making Sagittarius’s hair a reality. Also, I hope you feel better soon!

cancer hoodie i'm cancer too! p.s. i'm happy you mentioned "legs-don't-work syndrome", it's pretty irritating to constantly see. most ppl, in my experience, use a wheelchair cos walking is too painful or too difficult, not cos of paralysis and while paralysis is of course very real and needs representation, it'd be great to see representation for other conditions too. i once was in a wheelchair in the hospital because the nurses there considered my shambly walk was too dangerous and i could hurt myself for instance. i'm either way happy to see disabled characters and i think for that time period it was pretty solid. plus i love how she has her sign on the wheels

almost 10 minutes into the video, these girls are oddly diverse for a preteen girl's website from 2007. I'm not sure of all the games I use to play were just very white-dominant or these are genuinely a shocking amount of diversity for something of it's time edit: oop- i spoke 15 seconds too soon... Yeah I shouldve assumed they relied on stereotypes instead of proper characterizing

omg these creators must have hated sagittarius!?!?! never in my life have i met a sagittarius who is a boring downer that hates fun, it literally goes against the entire basis of what makes a sagittarius aka optimistic, playful, funny, energetic, etc. she also has the most negative relationships, the least friends, the worst design, and is the only one who doesn’t smile ):

29:11 I'm intrigued by the idea of a villainous 13th zodiac seeking revenge for being neglected and ignored for thousands of years. Especially since there is a constellation, Ophiuchus, that would have been part of the zodiac cycle if Sagittarius hadn't covered that portion of the year already. Despite having no existing concept art, I can easily imagine Percevil having a scaly/snake theme since Ophiuchus is also known as 'The Serpent Bearer'. Definitely a more interesting villain concept than Dr. Calamity, who just sounds like a generic mad scientist. P.S. As someone who has a Sagittarius for a sister, I agree that Sagittarius' design is really random. My first impression was that she was a fighter pilot with the pants, boots and scarf. She was just missing the goggles and aviator jacket. Overall, not doing my sister's sign justice. 🙄

I'm surprised they didn't lean into the sign's type. I think it's way easier to have like the main dolls as Fire, Water, Air and Earth signs as one big sister doll and the zodiac themselves be like their different outfits or powers or little sister dolls that can have different outfit and hairstyles. EDIT: Plus, the zodiac girlies could theoretically buy multiple signs for like their moon, rising, Venus, ect. if the zodiacs had multiples of smaller dolls, especially if you lean into other factors like planets and birthstone. So I'm a Taurus, my moon sign is a Leo and my rising sign as a Virgo. If my idea were to work out, I would be able to buy an Earth Sign doll, a Taurus doll, a Leo doll and Virgo doll. Giving it like a collectables concept, once the design for the dolls are down, would probably make it much more adaptable for the market, I feel.

The Gemini twins should have been called Gemma and Minni (pronounced like minnie). They have the same amount of letters each to match them being identical twins, and together they sound like Gemini

I'm an identical twin, born on the first day of the Gemini, and both me and my twin had selective mutism for 10 years and barely talked with anyone but each other and our things were usually color coded (me blue and her purple) who also barely had names because we were referred to as "the twins" or "the girls" by most people including family (and if we corrected people, were told that it didn't 't matter, they were close enough)... Their depiction of Gemini pegged me. It was very cliche and stereotypical, and I hate it - but it pegged me LOL

Anyone remember “The Real Tooth Fairies”? I think it was a website with tooth fairy flash mascots of some kind? You’d take a quiz to find out who’s your tooth fairy and there was a bunch of activities you could do with them ! I think you could pay for personalized letters as well

Sagittarius being put on the back burner with designs is so on brand for Sagittarius merch. Coming from a sad Sag who never gets excited with what gets dumped out for us.

I remember this because my mother was REALLY into witchy stuff. So if there was ever a child-centered astrology product, we would know! I had no clue the doll line existed.

Imagine you’re a parent in 2007 and your kid comes running up to you asking if they can print a shirt that says “cancer” and has disembodied lips on it

I hope you're doing okay and recover quickly! You don't have to apologize for getting into a car accident

I'm one of the people that doesn't like astrology, however I am surely interested in the zodiac based group of twelve spunky crime fighting teen girls with a passion for fashion 😌

It’s a bit sad how little this franchise did with such a cute and fun concept. Maybe they can make a comeback with these type of doll series being popular now with better representation and design.

The Zodiac Girl site was one of my TOP sites I visited as a preteen and young teen alongside my phase of Trollz and W.I.T.C.H fan blog sites. EDIT: OMG I hope the accident wasn't anything serious! Please rest up and I hope you'll be okay :(

my knowledge of astrology only goes as far as homestuck, so this website is news to me. great video as always, li!!

I’m really digging this design for Virgo. She’s usually so boring and just like “I’m a GIRL!” With as shallow of an understanding of femininity as that typically entails in media. The fact that she’s a skateboarder is so fun. I was definitely assuming she would be Taurus’ design from the group pictures before introduction.

The art style reminds me of that one show Lauren Faust was going to make with space girls; the moon being the main character. I don't remember the name of it though😅 Edit: another commenter had the same idea! Milky Way and the galaxy girls is the show

as a full time chair user since childhood, hey sister kween! ♿👋❤️ as a girl who wasn't into this side of the internet at the time (I was on habbo hotel and livejournal), it's refreshing to see aquarius, my sign, as a wheelchair user.

i was OBSESSED with the zodiac girlz as a kid. i have no idea how i stumbled upon the site, but “x character as cute girls” was and is a fascination for me so i was very into it.

I don’t know if you take requests but id love to see a video on that one tooth fairy online world! I don’t remember the name but I do remember my tooth fairy she was like blue and kinda looked like Cinderella (totally not why I picked her *wink*) I also remember it being very visually appealing to me as a kid as well Edit: I looked it up and it’s called the real tooth fairies and ALSO IT GOT A SUPER UGLY 3D REDESIGN I REGRET EVERYTHING WHAT HAVE THEY DONE 😭

I don't know that much about zodiac signs but this all matches up eerily well with Homestuck.

Man, Virgo being friends with the edgelord is so accurate it hurts. Also "Legs-don't-work Syndrome" is so good I'm going to think about that constantly

I was so surprised that Virgo actually looked like that! The stuff that I've seen that is Virgo-related (when people sort "things" into zodiacs) is always so pink and maiden-like, because, well, virgo = virgin. This take is very refreshing!

I remember going onto the website when I was younger around the time it was on the verge of death. Even then, it was still fun. Those flash games are so nostalgic to me, especially that dress up game. I never knew dolls existed until a few years ago and I honestly want all of them tbh. Even though the quality from what I’ve heard is great, the hair is made out of polypropylene, which means after a few years, it starts to dry rot and shed and/or fall out completely. I’m also glad that TV series never went through thanks to you know who, it would’ve been a dumpster fire, and the character designs are terrible 💀 I also hope you recover from that car accident and wish you all the best ❤

the twins could've been name gem and mini or something and together be gemini

Ugh, when you describe the Zodiac Girls with the Pokémon X/Y boutique theme is so iconic. Also, I'm glad you are OK. Wish you the best in your recovery. I love your content :')

These really reminds me of Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls, anyone else?

I think I found this website as a kid! I had a lot of issues with internalized misogyny back then so I struggled between being like "eww so girly" but also being extremely drawn to the character designs lol. I feel like this totally *could* be revived, especially with the popularity of zodiacs and y2k style recently, but yeah they'd need a lot of reworking. Going the Hello Kitty route would be perfect, and their art style would be perfect for chunky little plastic figures (maybe even blind boxes, as much as I hate those). Also, even if they couldn't afford full animations, why didn't they do little mini comics? those were plenty popular back in the day and child me would've eaten it up. I get your point about not giving the characters TOO much distinct personality, but if they were going in that direction anyway with their bios, relationships, and desire to make animations, comics (even little 1-2 panel ones) would've been a great alternative. Kinda wanna draw fan art of them lmao.

as someone who grew up as a lil girl in the early-mid 2000s but didnt get to experience most Girl Websites(tm) for reasons, your videos are some of the most entertaining and enlightening that ive seen. im really happy whenever you pop out a new one and get to hear about your thoughts and experiences on stuff like this however as a sagittarius im really sad that sagittarius here is kind of a no-nonsense serious girl who doesnt like libra. we should be characterized as flighty but fun-loving whoevers and sagittarius/libra friendship is like The sagittarius relationship. all two of my libra friends would be devastated EDIT: i posted this before i got to the john k part. he should be put into an 8 ft hole for the rest of his life

I was looking more into the Spumco cartoon and there's actually some posts referencing it on John K's blog, and interestingly it seems that Katie Rice (one of his victims) was actually the one who designed those versions of the characters. There are also a few others that weren't shown in this video. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

Hey, queen. Girl, you have done it again, constantly raising the bar for all of us and doing it flawlessly ✨ seriously tho your content and the topics you cover are so niche and in such good quality! Literally thought only me and maybe 12 other people knew about this website 😭

I never heard of this as a kid either, but as always, I love your videos teaching me about girly internet history and making me care 💕 as a Sagittarius myself, I'm sad that she got such a lackluster design and has basically no friends. 😐 Also omg I hope you're okay!! 😫 feel better

This reminds me a lot of this book that was a brief little tidbit of different goddesses and gods from mythology that focused on a group of girls that were modern personifications of various goddesses called Godess girls.

I feel like these dolls could have been cool if they were done in a way similar to the Diva Starz dolls, but with sculpted hair. Those were so stylized, it would be cool. Ps - As a Sagittarius, I appreciate all the attention to detail applied to our girl ❤️ Ps - Wishing you all the best with your healing from your accident! 😢

cult of the lamb soundtrack fading in and out of the background absolutely threw me for a loop with how much the vibes contrast with the zodiac girls. I always love the game soundtracks playing sneakily in your videos, and it seems like we have a similar taste in games! Thank you so much for your videos, as a fellow zillenial who grew up on flash based websites I am loving your content (your voice and personality are lovely too).

I’m also a part-time wheelchair user, and “legs don’t work syndrome” is such a funny phenomenon. But it is really amazing to see a main character that uses mobility aids and isn’t set apart from the rest

Came to this video waiting for a Homestuck reference, was not disappointed

Being Brazilian + living in a small town growing up and all I didn't have access to a lot of the things you talk about but your content is just soooooo good I can't help but keep watching, love the way you develop the storyline and bring facts, analysis, and the way you speak is just so hypnotizing I love it

I loved these characters so much thanks for reminding me of their existence !!

If you take requests, I think that the American girl doll university virtual world would be so interesting. I barely remember anything about it but I know that it was both very fun and very confusing to play

Whoa!! They made Homestuck for teen girls!

When I say I was OBSESSED with this site when in middle school, I was OBSESSED.

As a libra I love the character design and relate to the libra stereotype:D

i have a few things to say 1. i was way too young for this series, by the time it was dying out i was only like five lmao 2. this strongly reminds me of disney's star darlings series that they had in the mid-late 2010s. star darlings had a much more fleshed out story, and saw more success in the form of books, dolls, and a tv show, but it similarly had a lot of cancelled content 3. it's hilarious to me that sagittarius is really similar in personality to one of my characters who ALSO happens to be a sagittarius 😂 4. i'm glad that you weren't seriously injured in the car accident!! that's really scary have a happy new year Li :)

Okay, but…the planned show using the lost 13th zodiac as an antagonist IS a clever idea. That’s all I’ll give it

I think i just know what's my favorite thing about li's videos, she's awesome when she talks about something i probably never lived ( except devilish hairstylist) and the background music, i say it again, i love when i accidentally recognize the cult of the lamb or Splatoon OST

i feel like this could have had a lot of potential tbh, kinda sad it flopped. the designs, aesthetic, and concepts were so cute. this is the first time ive ever heard of them and i immediately was intrigued. on a side note, can you pls do a video on TROLLZ. I lived on their flash website in in 2000s.

Honestly I would love a revival, the characters have so much potential and would definitely thrive in either a comic series or web series

I’m using “I had some wine about it and it made me less mad” in my day-to-day life from now on

it's interesting to see how many people try to make their own version of bratz, this actually made me remember diva starz, i have a specific memory of going to McDonald's as a kid and being VERY upset that I couldn't get one of the diva starz toys they had with happy meals at the time 😅

i live for your John K hate lol also this was very promising to me until they failed on the shows... i loved it so much! id like it if they would bring it back and do it justice :(

Who remembers earth 2 jane? It seemed like another doll series that fizzled out. And they also had super detailed profiles of their characters, even evil mini doll versions of them.

Two Buffy actresses in the celebrity birthdays for Aries is iconic.

The makeup look is absolutely slaying!! 💕

Sagittarius might have been styled after Amelia Earhart, that is what I thought of when I saw her anyway. Looking at actual pictures of her doesn't show her in that outfit (though she has short hair), but more modern interpretations of her look do sometimes have her in those pants, similar boots, and with a red scarf.

Yet another amazing episode! The amount of times I click open one of your videos and went "oh my GOD I vaguely recall this existed" is unreal. The point made about how alienating specific character traits can be is SO true. As an East Asian Capricorn girl, I was highly confused by my zodiac's character and I think that's why my memory of this website is brief and fleeting. The dolls (didn't know this existed at all!) were also a miss, too generic and not outstanding enough on their own to compete with other similar products. What an interesting topic!

When I see videos like these and learn about the things I could have known about and been obsessed with as a child, I always think about how different of a person I would be now if I had discovered these things!! It's so fascinating how just knowing about a website like this could have changed my personality and interests entirely. I cant wait for your next video, I love them so much!!

Very fun to learn about a site I didn't know about! As a child, my introduction to the concept of horoscopes were Saint Seiya/Knights of the Zodiac and W.I.T.C.H. (a.k.a. the 2 genders) lmao

I love hearing about obscure websites like this! Another great video, and I can't wait for the next one!

Babe wake up a new LiSpeaks video is up

I feel so blessed to have discovered this channel, every single video has been fascinating. The time and care that you put into research really shows!

seeing the title and thumbnail of this video made my brain feel electric with the wave of memories and nostalgia. i think you and i mightve been on the same corners of the internet as kids based on your video essays, and i just gotta say, thank you so much for bringing a lot of this stuff back to the front of my mind. literally incredible you remembered ZODIAC GIRLS

Your videos make my inner child happy, the makeup in this video is amazing!

Now I need a Zodiac Girlz coffeeshop au

found your channel recently and love the deep dives! i’m a forearm crutch user so when you mentioned being a part time wheelchair user i perked up SO fast lol. always great to find another disabled creator to support ♥️

hi li! i just wanted to say i've watched all of your video essays so far and i can't believe you don't have more!! i'm really excited to see what you come up with next ☺you've very quickly become one of my favorite youtubers.

thank you for making a video on this! I’ve never met someone else who knew about these girls and it’s always felt like a fever dream… this undeniably launched my love of astrology and now Im 23 with a bull tattoo so everyone knows I’m a taurus. Just found you channel today and love it!

I think I encountered this website--or at least these images--once, because I have a memory of being underwhelmed by Gemini's design. I didn't know it got worse! If I'd looked more into it and realized that Gemini didn't even get to describe themselves in their own words on their profile and were described as having no friends but each other, I would've felt attacked 😂 they could've easily made one twin chatty and the other more quiet and reserved, to show the kind of adaptability Gemini is supposed to be associated with? It just feels like they have no agency, especially when there's no story content aside from the profiles.

OMG i loved this website as a kid. i am a scorpio sun and i adored the scorpio girl as a babygoth ❤️ never had the dolls but the website was fun :) i am also so sorry to hear about your accident 😭 bruised ribs can still be extremely painful so please take as long as you need!!

You mentioning Gaia Online awakened a middle school memory so horrifying my eyes went wide, would love to see a vid on it from you some day! Also I went "holy shit" out loud at the car accident part, hope you're doing well like your pinned comment mentioned!

literally any (popular) concept that probably involves various kinds of itself: exists literally anyone with a creative mind and money for a project: *passion for fasion* ✨✨💅💅

omg im so glad i found your channel, wow this is so interesting, i never knew about these but they give me such nostalgia, they are SO 2006

Hey there Li! Thanks so much for the shout out! Glad to hear that you're doing better after your accident. Hope that you're having a smooth recovery going into the new year. I think a lot of the same points you pointed out about the brand were pretty spot on to how I felt. I think my biggest issue about the brand was the fact that information about each zodiac sign was incorrect and the mascots' personalities didn't line up with their corresponding zodiac signs. Such as Sagittarius; her outfit corresponded with her sign. Sagittarius is known for being the adventurous zodiac sign and doesn't like being in one spot too long, but her personality missed the mark. With that said, squandered potential is pretty accurate to describe this brand and that's kind of the vibe I got from Raven in her comment on my video. I love zodiac signs and I would love to see an updated reboot of this franchise: taking out the glaring stereotypes, fixing the information for each zodiac and their personas, of course as I mentioned in my video adding in more gender/sexuality diversity, as well as making sure that each zodiac sign got equal amounts of love as I did notice that when I was a kid that certain zodiac signs got more recognition over others. I also love the idea of doing the graphic mascot merchandise. They did kind of do this I found out. There's a stationary/sticker book kit out there on market places I've found and I was a little more attracted to that than the dolls, but having more of that I think would have been a better starting point and probably a cheaper way to get some marketing.

Omg…you just unlocked a memory I didn’t realize I had! Thank you🥺

I would love a deep-dive into Stardoll, I was obsessed with that site as a kid.

i adore the topics you choose for your videos. Whether the topic be something personally nostalgic for me or a completely new to me, I am always so interested in the subject and what you have to say about it :)

You have unlocked an obscure part of my memory omg i was so into zodiac girlz and completely forgot damn this is why i love your videos

Your channel is just so much nostalgia and I love it! Plus I love your looks, your deep dives, so glad I found you :).

your videos have got me feeling more and more like i gotta make my own videos, i love the way you make videos and the subjects you chose to cover!

"I had some wine about it and it made me less mad" is the best line ever.

Get well soon!!! Rest easy! This video was very fun & interesting!

Li this makeup is soooo good on you omg!!! Also, you should totally watch Degrassi if you haven’t already. And Glee- something in my BRAIN is telling me you’d love them😭

Binged all your videos recently. Love them. Hope you're okay and feeling better!

I love your videos!! 😭💖 all of them have been a joy to watch, never change 🤟

whoaheoah this was just uploaded a minute ago if i haven’t seen it but i love your videos so much and i’m so stoked every time you upload 🥹