THEORY: The Player Character is DARKRAI (Pokémon Mystery Dungeon) 

Cresselia wasting Reviver Seeds. I can relate to that.

You just somehow managed to make my favorite game of all time even better. Also, its a relief to know that I wasn't the only one who suffered because of Cresselia. "STOP USING SLASH ON MISMAGIUS AND JUST USE CONFUSION, FOR FUCK'S SAKE"

Darkrai was a bitch in this game but atleast he's good in the movie. This game was the first game to make me almost cry when I disappeared

Anyone that's still theorizing about Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (The best ones in the series, at that) gets a subscription from me.

There's actually a rom hack where you wake up as the player pokemon and constantly exemplify more anger and violence toward others, and the whole "chosen one" prophecy seems to be out of sorts. It turns out that the Darkrai from the end of Explorers of Sky turns into a pokemon and gets catapulted into a different timeline and transformed into the player pokemon. Then the Darkrai of that new timeline starts trying to get you on his side. It's pretty insane.

1:54 What makes you say that? The Darkrai that you can recruit being the same Darkrai seems to be the most likely answer given that: 1) If you chat to it in Spinda's Café it alludes to its attempts to plunge the world into darkness 2) It's the same level as when you fought it in Dark Crater 3) The fact that it can be found in so many dungeons suggests that it's wandering aimlessly around the world, which would make sense given that it has amnesia.

Ok I'm 99% sure you're wrong at 1:49. If you speak to Darkrai after you recruit him he talks about a memory loss he had at a point of his life.

What if Darkrai is everyone. And everyone is Darkrai. They don't know though *and never will*

I don't really agree with this theory. You missed one crucial detail, Theorizer. Darkrai himself explained that it was the hero's fierce will protect Grovyle that turned them into a Pokémon. Here's the exact quote from Darkrai himself. "It appears your fierce will to protect your partner became entangled with the many dimensions during your time travel." By that logic, Darkrai, a selfish being who preferred to work alone, would not turn into a human, but he would still lose his memories. I actually have a different theory. The Explorers!Hero, unlike like the other heroes, didn't express shock when the partner first spoke to them, almost like it was completely natural for them. They react more to the fact that they were unconscious on the beach. Maybe a side effect of the Dimensional Scream is understanding Pokémon language. We have seen some humans, like N, can understand Pokémon language. So who's to say that isn't the case for the Explorers!Hero? Perhaps the reason that they're the only human has to with Ultra Wormholes. (Spoilers for Pokémon Sun/Moon and Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire) In ORAS, Zinnia confirmed the existence of alternate realities. In the Sun and Moon story, you travel to a different dimension known as Ultra Space. In the post game, you can travel to an alternate reality using the ultra wormhole that appears at the shrine on Poni Island. In the post story, Anabel, who is from the Emerald Universe, woke up one day on Poni Island, without most of her memories. In ORAS, Looker washed up on a beach and when he woke up, he didn't remember anything. My theory is that the Explorers!Hero ended up in the dark future via Ultra Wormhole. Maybe the Dimensional Scream is a side-effect of going through an Ultra Wormhole.

Honestly, pretty much everything points to Darkrai being the same one that you can recruit after the fight. Because he doesn't show up before the confrontation, and everything he says if you talk to him points to the fact that it is the same Darkrai. It is very likely that he just ended up as a potential member because he lost his memory and doesn't remember who you are. Even Bulbapedia says it is the same Darkrai as the one you fight in Dark Crater.

I hate to be that guy, but your theory has a pretty big hole. When Grovyle, Celebi and Dusknoir are fighting Dialga, they're already in the process of disappearing, which means the Hero and Partner have already defeated Dialga in the past. My point is, by the time the Hero, Partner, and Cresselia defeat Darkrai, the future of darkness no longer exists, so Darkrai could not have been sent to that time.

It's a time paradox...

To me, I always thought the Darkrai in Mystery Dungeon is the same as the one in Anime. The one in the Anime turned good because he lost his memory in Mystery Dungeon, therefore when he traveled to another timeline (when Palkia and Dialga was fighting) he was heroic because of how his experiences there shaped him.

Well this will be a inf loop because Darkrai will turn in to a human meet grovyle and Darkrai number 3 will turn him into a Pokemon again and it keeps going

OK this comment us gonna be before I look at the video. My theory is that he ends up being the darkrai in the movie that has the time and space pokemon (I know there names I just can't spell it). Like he would have no memory's and no reason to do anything bad because of this lost memory's. And also when there was a flash back part of the movie showing darkrai when he first arrived he was injured

great to see big channels covering such and underrated game

Darkrai, the original Black Goku.

Great theory. A few flaws. 1. Darkrai would still remember his name, just like we did. If he were to become a human in dystopia, he would at least remember that, and that would be a huge red flag for anyone else living in dystopia to not speak to him. He is a legendary, those who live there know about him. 2. When you wake up on the beach and say your name, 99% of the time you wouldn't say Darkrai. The ONLY thing we remember is our name, so I don't understand why Darkrai would change his name randomly after becoming human. Plus, if you were to say Darkrai, since the next thing our partner says is that we don't seem bad, that's a huge red flag. Pokemon must know of Darkrai's existence, even if they don't know who he is or what he looks like. I think it would make much more sense that Darkrai is just a bad guy, and you actually were created by Arceus or something to save everyone in the past from living i such a horrible future. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please, I'd love an actual debate on this! It's my favorite game so I'm super passionate about it.

This is a cool theory, but I don't agree with it. I consider Legendary and Mythical Pokémon as unique (at least in videogames), so the Darkrai that you can recruit afer credits is the same of the main story. He has just lost his memory; if we put PokéPark in the same timeline of Mystery Dungeon Series, mabye he's the same Darkrai that own the Wish Park in PP2. Btw, there is a thing that totally doesn't fit with your theory: even if is genderless Darkrai talks of himself as a male (idk in the English dub, but in Italian is so) BUT you can chose to be a female at the start of the game!

Cool video, but I still have one question: What the HECK is up with the time gear in the volcano? It's not in the game, but in explorers of darkness, it's on the title screen.

This whole theory is based off the assumption that the Darkrai you can recruit after the postgame in Dark Crater is not the same one; but yet, while theorizing about all the other stuff, you provided next to no evidence of how you came to that conclusion in the first place, which seems pretty important considering it’s what everything else follows up on. Not to mention, we have proof in game that the human already could communicate with Pokémon in the Dark Future, namely Grovyle. At the Groudon statue, we get the vision of someone talking who says, “That lifts the fog! Very well done! Good job, partner!” Afterwards, we as the player go, “Whose voice was that? I didn’t even get a sense of what the voice sounded like… but it still bugs me for some reason.” The only two possible speakers for voice heard in the scream is either the past version (in the future) of the player speaking to Grovyle, or Grovyle speaking to the player. It goes along with their investigations they did of the locations of Time Gears that we find out about later. And considering the voice is saying “well done”, as if it’s only through this “partner” that they found out the info about the fog; that implies that it is Grovyle congratulating the player after successfully using the Dimensional Scream in the future on the statue. This means they could already communicate. Granted, that does mean it’s a little confusing that the human is shocked to see a talking Pokémon at the beginning of the game; but if you assume that maybe the human is from somewhere more like the mainline games, where they couldn’t understand Pokémon, and then maybe had some sort of Ultra Wormhole or Spacetime Rift or Time Travel shenanagins to end up in a completely different world (like with Anabel), that’s how they got to the Dark Future; maybe that’s even how they got the Dimensional Scream; and at the very least, they had more experience in the “normal” Pokémon world where Pokémon “can’t talk”, and so although they got used to it with Grovyle and others in the dark future, after having their memory erased, they defaulted to their ORIGINAL memory assumptions, that “Pokémon can’t talk”. This means the beginning at the beach is actually the THIRD world they’ve lived in. The first likely being somewhere in mainline Pokémon, the second in the dark future, and the third being in the past, as a Pokémon. Regardless, several details lead me to believe that you are not Darkrai lol, or at the least, certain things you assumed were true in this video are at least challenged by other pieces of evidence.

I like this theory a lot! It covers pretty much everything I was wondering about in the games! Thank you for making this! ^^

I like the theory Also I was disappointed with the music in the Darkrai fight in the final battle

So Paradox?

MY MIND BLOWED personally, I always theorized that the hurted darkrai we see in the movie were the darkrai from the game, he just never mentioned it because he haved amnesia (plus he seemed preety confused in the flashback of the movie, asking "who are you ?" at the first person he see), and was hurt by the shattering portals

Ah Theorizer, you never fail to impress me. Your theory was amazing, straight to he point without the fillers other ahem youtube channels use *look intensifies* Although I am troubled by something. All that spacetime travelling Darkrai did is a bit confus- Oh no. Um... I was going to challenge your theory but... Change of plans. I have a theory about Darkrai itself. We all know that Darkrai can open spacetime portals... Right? Dialga can open time passages. Palkia can open space passages. Darkrai is by no means more powerful than the two of them. Only one Pokémon is... Arceus. Darkrai is Arceus. Arceus never directly appears in-game, so we can assume he is all-present (one amongst the timelines). In your previous PMD video Theorizer, I argued that Arceus fled to the past as Igglybuff. What if he did not escape though? What if he got trapped in the same spiky area Grovyle is in SE5 where Dusknoir would enter his body? What if Arceus got captured and a minion of Primal Dialga got control of him? Arceus, now transformed into Darkrai (which allows him to go unnoticed and blend in), goes in the past, removes the time gears, and the game plot starts. After the player restores time, the spirit of the evil minion perishes along with the rest of the future. Arceus, dazzled but still in control, restores the future as a thanks to the player, BUT the minion regains control of him. Now seeking revenge for his lost home, he goes to tear up space, this time to destroy everything, both the present, the future AND mainly, the protagonist. The person who killed everything he called home. Even more corrupted, the post game plot happens, until Palkia Death Star's Arceus. Since Arceus is indestructuble, only the minion's spirit is erased and Arceus gains control again. This explains the powers of Darkrai, the existance of that stupid civilian (hate that guy sorry) and the absence of Arceus. Possible? Probably not, but was fun to mess around with. EDIT: Further proof of this is the description of the Space Globe, the item acquired after reaching the 99th floor of Destiny Tower and encountering the statue of Arceus. "The ultimate globe, it holds the power to pass through space and time itself."

This has scared me on so many levels.

I came up with an interesting fan theory about Darkrai. My theory is that he actually was human, before he traveled through a portal to a parallel dimension, where he turned into a Darkrai and became corrupted and insane by his own ambition to establish his own utopian world. Does any of this sound familiar? Yep, you guessed it. My theory is that Darkrai is, in fact, Cyrus, the former boss of Team Galactic.

That's an interesting view!

Simple. He went to the anime universe. And then the Darkrai movie happened.

I personally love the idea that you’re Darkrai. A perfect twist for a game about time travel and transformation.

Also I've been watching your videos for a while and I love them, you make great content and I can't wait for the next show or movie you tackle

This is one of my fav games of all time, thanks for covering it

Wow that you are Darkrai theory is one hell of a paradox. I love it!!!

ITS HERE!!! ITS FINALLY HERE! My prayers have been answered thank you so much :D

I just bloody played that game, like after 2 Years of having it finished. What are the odds.

After playing PMD, I never saw Darkrai the same way again.

Awesome and Amazing Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Theory, Theorizer! Your Theories are the best! I love your Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky Review and your Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Timeline Conspiracy Theory! You should do more Pokemon Theories and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Theories!

holy frick my brain is fried I LOVE your theories!!!! This is insane! But just sane enough to actually make sense :0000

That theory was incredibile , i had always thought something was wrong in that wonderful game , but i couldn even imagine something like this . Keep it up with it bro

Please do more theories for this game! It's my favorite too! As for this theory... wow, I'm really confused. I think I'm going to lie down for a while...

This theory is so Goddamn trippy...I LOVE IT

Um... okay. I've never seen any of your videos before, and *wow*, that was what I call intense! I never really thought about it that way before. I'd pondered it once or twice, but never to that extent. The speed made me get lost here and there, but I got the message and found my way again by the end. Now to watch your other PMD videos!

First things First My english sucks sry I still think that the Darkrai we can recruit is the former Evil one because i played the German version (cause im from germany). Wen you talk to him at the Panther Coffee he stated that he feels Darkness inside of him (and even if Darkrai is a Dark type Pokemon it still doesn't mean that he has Darkness inside of him) a normal Darkrai is not even evil they just protect their territory and oure darkrai is not at fiding spots. but what really convinced me is the fact that the last Iq Power (don't know how they are called in other versions sry) that Darkrai can unlock is called Zeitreisender (which basically means TIme traveler) and time travel is not one of Darkrai basic features. And even if Pokemons Like Hypno arent rare you onley meet one Palkia, one Dialga, one Manaphy, One Selfe Torbuts and Vesprit and so one (sry i know they have other names in The English version) Also Most of the legendary Pokemon that you're able to meet with the Mystery part are at Finding location and only Three of them (Darkrai not incloudet)are at Multiple Spots witch are Mewtwo who is searching for opponents and Latios and Latias who never had a real location type( like Moltres at a Volcano or Kyogre at the bottom of the Sea) in the Games and are Known to be travelers. And Darkrai is At many Points that were Significant to the story in My opinion it was similar to the Hero Visions of the past and tries to remember. When Darkrai Joins you he also Acts similar to the Hero he Knows something's not right but still tries not to worry you too much and Acts like he's Hyped up for Adventures secretly hoping to find out more about himself. Youst a little Extra here I think he dosent try to get the partner on his side cause he would use you to get rid of the partner and than kill you afterwerds. still like your theory it's one of the kind: i would love it when it would be true but i don't believe it is.

I played so much of this game I remember everything about it. But this...I never thought of that!

I love your theory, so smart!!! Also pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of time and space's story and characters are great!

Hey man love ur videos

So a redemption tale. Very interesting.

Interesting... I hope in a similar story and lore with the PMD of seventh generation, with UB and parallel universes, there can be many possibilities for a very good story...

you just made me like my favourite Pokemon game even more

I watch your videos when i eat.... and sometimes i havent even watched or played the game or movie you're talking about xD

To be honest when I played it I never thought about it...

As soon as I caught on to where you were going with this, my brain began to hurt. Lol

I think its so cool that people are still discussing such a phenomonal game, i got it for my 11 th birthday and at the time it was just a cheap gift from my friends mom cause she couldnt afford to spend huge money on platinum, so i checked out the game and holy shit was i into it, it was my first rpg so it was like the final fantasy for me, i always stuggled to find others who enjoyed such a great game but the fact you’re still talking about it in our modern age is cool, i hope you make more of these you have my sub

I like this- it's not just giving Darkrai a punishment but also giving him a chance at redemption by fixing his own mistakes

Summed up. You are Darkrai. Palkia, arceus, and darkrai at some point were the 3 that knew it.

I guess that would explain why the Chronos Perception ability is supposed to only work on Time Gear-related things. Darkrai's drive to get the Time Gears and ruin time translates into that ability, somehow

Wow, I remember watching your other theory on this game over a year ago. Lol I haven't watched in a long time, but this was good.

Here's my two cents regarding Cresselia: I think she could be ANOTHER Darkrai, one that turned into a Cresselia and was sent to the future, seeing as she and Darkrai are basically opposites in terms of lore and also the fact that Darkrai is the reason for the dark future she's in, Cresselia took it upon herself to take down Darkrai for good

I just watched that scene in my own play through with darkrai asking for them to join and he did say he wanted the partner as well as a band of three

Good sir, YOU have taken a very good and emotional game and aomehow made it even more emotional. Cheers to you and to your deduction skills.

this was an amazingly detailed Theory; I'mnot sure if it fits with everything but it does make a lot of sense

Will you do a theory on Pokèmon Super Mystery Dungeon?

I know I'm seriously late but I really liked this theory. It kinda helps fixes some problems I have with this game. Mainly, why were Dusknoir, Celebi, Grovyle, and everyone else from the future able to come back almost immediately but the player had to wait months? Why didn't Darkrai attack when the player was gone? It would've been easier to make the future dark again when the player was gone. The partner probably wouldn't have had enough motivation to take the challenge alone. I think it's possible both of them were denied existing because they were still connected in a small way, or since they were both the same thing at some point it could have dangerous to bring the player back cause Darkrai would be there too. Darkrai would go back to causing chaos all over again. I think what happened was Dailga saw how much the player meant to the partner and that there was truly a change. Even if the player was brought back, the dou could face Darkrai. I also like how this theory gives Darkrai more to his character. To me, it felt like he was just a cliché villian, but Darkrai actually learns and ends up saving the future. That's just what I think though.

I subbed since we share the same love for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. Haven’t really seen anybody else express the same feeling

That’s all in one big time loop. WOW!

3 years later, I still love that theory and waiting for more

Darkrai=guzma

Rip my brain

5:55 in art class i once had to draw an utopia mirroring a dystopia... i drew stranger things 's normal world facing silent hill! has nothing to do with the theory but this frame just reminded me of it...

What a cool concept, I really enjoyed the video! I am confused with the talk of "Darkrai #1 and #2" though. I just figured with this theory that Darkrai does all his evil plotting, gets banished by Palkia, and transforms into the human form of the player. So essentially, Darkrai transformed his future self into a Pokémon, and his future self assists in turning his past self into a human. All of this weird entanglement ends with the player living a happy life with the partner at the end of the game :)

"so are you darkrai?...." Me: oh shit!

So basically Darkrai is trapped in a loop d loop, ultimate punishment for fucking with space time

This is amazing! I wanna play the game cuz of this theory!

amazing, love this theory

YES A THEORY ON MY FAVOURITE GAME

i have played through it multiple times...wondered what happend out of darkrai...and now this theory gives me goosebumbs xD

Could you please check if it's anything deeper with Rango?

What if instead of being reborn as a fully grown adult, Darkrai was reborn as a baby and eventually becomes the player character in the future. That's more reasonable than being brought back as a fully grown human with the memory of Darkrai as his/her own name. The player name was given when the player was born by the player's parents.

best fanfic x reader I've ever listened to

Makes perfect sense to me. IDK why others have trouble understanding this.

5minutes and later: I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS PARADOX!

My god. Impressive theory. Not possible to be canon but fun to listen and learn

After so long... I've finally buckled down and defeated Darkrai. Finally, I can watch this video.

I always thought that darkrai was also the player (the reason why I used a cheat machine to new game as darkrai) made the whole story more fun

That is an interesting theory. I came up with a theory of my own concerning what happened to him in the end.

I agree with you theoizer!!! xD I love this game too!!!!

I love this, I need more mystery dungeon in my life

Oh My God this is an amazing Theory

I think this is one of those theories where I have to make a bunch of points to completely understand it.

This.....theory is crazy.

You don't even know how happy I am that you brought up losing in dark crater because of Cresselia a million times XD

Dude it's 3 AM and I'm woke AF watching this

Good theory!

OMG I love you so much for doing this! As a loyal pmd fan it literally hurts me to see that the game is so underrated and unknown:( Thank Arceus there are people like you who make this fandom even more awesome than it already is. Now we only need to take over the pokemon anime, ditch Ash and turn the show into a dark, amazing story with characters we actually care about...

idk if the creators of the hack for explorers of spirit stemmed from this video but regardless if it did, ty for making this

My mind has been blown. This would be a paradox, which was a problem I had at first, but then I remembered that the entire GAME is pretty much a paradox when it comes to the timeline. But yeah, good job!

Cresselia: do you trust me? Player: *with every reviver seed of my body*

10:00 yes whenever i see a cresselia i always have flashback of blackc rate it even went soo far that trough the enitre run she ate all my reviver seeds and i had a ton of those farmed out

Hi I really like your videos