There is No Coming Back From Project L 

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I always thought it might be a good idea to create characters who specifically are created to have simple controls, like a new archetype that way people who like those inputs could play “simple archetype” characters and the people who prefer their archetypes with the motion inputs still could have those inputs.

I always felt like 1-button specials were not always trivializing certain aspects of Fighting games. It's only when they're introduced in games that have the inputs you're used to that it becomes an issue. The hate towards Modern controls in SF6 by some people on social media is a big example of that. The ENTIRE EXISTENCE of Smash(and Platform Fighters in general) proves the idea that 1-button specials can be good for Fighting Games, and they only existed because the guy who made Kirby loves Fighting Games and wanted to make them more accessible for everyone(doesn't that sound familiar?). Sadly, the only ones that recognize this are doing it on games with established communities and input styles, which while cool, will always be met with Toxicity, and make things hard to balance around. Basically, what I mean is that it's not Street Fighter or Tekken, or SnK,etc(any game with normal motion inputs at its core) that should get 1-button specials, but newer franchises or those that haven't dipped their toes into the scene yet, like Granblue Fantasy Versus when it first started out and Project L. I think Globku's right, Project L is going to be the biggest change in the Fighting Game industry if it succeeds as predicted(though I think it's going to get so much more popular than he estimates, considering Smash's input style also appeals more people than any other Fighting game).

I'm a person who advocates for simple control schemes because I guarantee you that so many people quit fighting games due to the inability to learn motion inputs quick enough. There is so much emphasis on learning the technical inputs that newer players only focus on that, it feels. But when they go into a match, they lack every other skill necessary in a fighting game (proper blocking, footsies, wake-up pressure, etc), so when they drop inputs and get bulldozed, it feels awful. Simplified controls allow these players to focus on the fundamentals rather than worrying about learning the motion inputs. Not to mention, the fact that simple control schemes allow those with disabilities that make it impossible to do motion inputs the ability to play the game, veteran fighting game player or not. However, I don't want to play a simple control scheme myself, and I don't want to be forced into doing one-button specials. There should always be the option for technical inputs, in my honest opinion.

Taking into consideration League of Legends, Wild Rift and Valorant, Project L has the potential to dominate the market by simply being: 1.free to play and 2.a good competitive game that also works for casuals. Oh and 3. it has League characters so that's a massive W already. Looking forward to Project L and the MMO they work on.

I can understand that Project L will be a big game, however I don’t think that it will stop people from trying new fighting games. The biggest issue with this belief (in my opinion) is why you want to play fighting games in general. Most people play fighting games cause they enjoy the characters, the story, the genre, or the mechanics. New comers are especially motivated by characters and genre. Simple inputs can make things easier and more fluid, but I do not think it will become the norm. Just like you pointed out, netherealm has been making mortal combat using their own method and it has been granting them great success. And as someone who’s first fighting game was smash, I can tell you that fighting game inputs aren’t really scary. Going into the lab and working them out takes like 30 mins and then you just practice. I have a strong feeling that while project L will be a very influential and important part of the fighting game scene going forward. I do not think it will become genre defining or force fighting games to change. But again that’s my opinion.

The reason Project L's simple specials work is mostly because the technical execution comes from the combos and movement, not footsies/reactions (i.e SF or GBVS)

In my honest opinion i think allowing options for both technical and simple inputs is the way to go. This is coming from someone who has little to know struggle with most fg inputs, i would use simple inputs.

I mean my first fighting game was Smash and I transitioned to the Street Fighter series easily. The motion inputs take like 30 minutes in training to get down. Since traditional fighters are much more consistent than platform fighters like smash when it comes to combos and tech it felt like my practice was actually rewarded which was nice coming from smash where I absolutely hated lagging shit out since there is so many variables in that game it often feels like wasted time.

I don't want motion inputs to leave. I don't care if people suck too much to do the dp input, I just want to game

I feel there's no problems as long as both exist and there's a downside to motion inputs like in the first granblue. It adds an extra layer of strategy to the game where you need to weigh the con of using a simple input Vs the significantly faster speed at which you can use it. I really liked how I was forced to use the simple input in certain situations and just take the penalty to avoid being comboed or the such.

If the industry keeps moving forward into dumbing down games more and more I might just quit the genre honestly

As someone who started playing a lot from GGS so I am relatively new here but in my opinion I don't think the main issue majority of people have with FGs is motion inputs but rather low player numbers at their level. Yeah modern controls is great but from what I've seen watching my friends try FGs for the first time in SF6 or Grandblue their complaint was usually not being able to have "fair" matches because everyone had so so much more experience than them. FGs becoming popular again, good netcode and cross platform capabilities has made this issue significantly less worrisome luckily In sf6 a lot of people opted to play classic even in ranks like silver or bronze while having fun at improving in the game rather than switching to modern In addition I am sure games like Guilty gear, Tekken, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Grandblue and so many more continuously updated titles like that will pull in people for years to come lol. Anyone with experience is likely to be excited by other series and the new players getting into PL are more likely that they ever would have been to try other titles

this kind of makes me sad because motion inputs make me feel more in sync with my character (idk exactly how to describe it) and simple inputs just feel... emptier?

I think Project L could actually help generate interest for the fighting game genre in general.

After grinding through fighting game journey for the whole life time of sfv, and now owning almost every single fighting game of modern era. I can confidently say that removing command input SHOULDN’T lead to the change of the whole fighting game genre. Why? Because fighting game technical skills are in my opinion not that hard to pick up, what’s hard is doing it in a match. So how do you do it in a match? With fundamentals to back up your basic defence and offence you can set your self up to do the things you tested in training mode. Now with simple control, and a huge potential player base, more players have a chance to reach that level of understanding . In the end they will eventually grow to a level more than just “I only do combo in matches”. Therefore when approaching a new fighting game with new technical skills like motion inputs it will only be a small challenge for experienced players to pick up. My simplest answer for "why bother picking up a motion input fighting game?" is simple...xxx character is so damn fkin cool I want to play him, xxx special move is so sick I want to use it, xxx character is so annoying I want to abuse him. Isn't that the main reason we start loving fighting games?

I think it's also important to see it from the perspective of the devs. Having more technical input makes adding character variations and balancing easier. Let's say we're gonna live in the future of fighting games where everything has one button special input, we need to think about how the devs are going to add depth to the gameplay as well as give the characters more complexity. With such restrictions, I believe it's quite hard to do unless they already have a game with endlessly deep core mechanics. I believe Project L may not be so "threatening" to the FG scene, it's still fundamentally hit or miss depending on how they're going to go about the aforementioned complexity and depth by removing seemingly one of the most important mechanics in fighting games, execution. Saying that "motion inputs are not good design and not the future of fighting games" is very understandable from the players standpoint, but it's hard to say when you're one of the devs who has to find the eureka moment of turning motion inputs into something that is more fun AND accessible to everyone. Not to say I distrust Riot Games's game designers, especially because they're known for their uber successful timeless games, but what I'm trying to say is that things are just not that simple. That said, as a fighting game veteran-ish, I'm still excited to give this game a shot nonetheless!

It’s crazy to me that people think Now a days motion inputs are hard, I remember doing piano dp wake up in sf2 that shit was tight.. the inputs now are so babyfied .. I guess you might as well remove it completely if that’s what it takes to get fighting games to the next level. I enjoyed doing the motions because felt meaningful but that’s just me.. I can only hope this will be a good thing

its not going to change fighters. Youre always going to have your SF, Tekkens, Anime fighters. This will just be added to the list of modern control fighters. Thats all.

Listen, Globku. I love you man, but I cannot say this with more emphasis. I pray to the high heavens that you are so utterly wrong with this entire video. If all fighting games start having only simple controls, many people, MANY people, will leave, any smart fighting game devs would know this.

I don't think it's so much as "settling to take 2nd place" Arc Sys rarely changes their formula because their hardcore fan base. I think many established IP / Franchises won't be harmed at all from Project L

As someone who struggles a LOT with really technical inputs, motion inputs are almost impossible for me, which is why I love simple controls. One button specials work best for me, and that's what matters for a game. Does it feel good for a player? Do they like how it plays? That's why I think more mechanically intense fighting games won't just die out, because more simple fighting games will just have a slightly different audience.

The main issue with Project L will be, if it's going to retain any of the non-fgc players it attracts. Sajam mentioned that the first playtest they did, the game felt very "degenerate" especially on offense, fast paced. For a non fighting-game player, the defense will be a nightmare if I think about it, heck for most players it will be pretty hard if it's anything like other anime fighters (especially with assists as well). I just don't see an average League player transition into fighting games, easy inputs or not.

I think that the problem lies in balancing the two. For instance in Street Fighter currently, Japan is starting to see more of the strengths of modern controls and people that play classic actually have to play differently than they would because their opponent is playing modern. With Project L, they can balance everything in accordance to everyone using the modern control equivalent. The high player expression means that any fighting game veteran will have a massive advantage with the basics transferring over. I see a world where people play Project L but also enjoy the more "hardcore" fighting games like NRS or Street Fighter, Tekken, etc. Being F2P is a massive leap where content creators/players can play both without really losing anything.

I’m worried about what project L is gonna do to fighting games, even as a person who cannot reliably do a DP input, I still think motion inputs are very important to the identity of fighting games. Seeing project L completely remove them definitely worries me.

After seeing Ahri in it, you can already tell what the modding scene will be about.

I believe that these games will coexist in their own separate spaces, just because they belong in the same genre doesn't mean that they need to oblige to the same "ruleset". Time will show whether or not Project L will outlive franchises as Street fighter, Mortal kombat etc.

All I want (as said before) is for the tournaments to have HUGE prize pools so that (maybe) other game companies follow that example.

Personally, for me, I’m gonna love simple controls. I have a hard time in many fighting games with the button inputs, I love dragon ball fighters, and I got good at it, because most of the special moves which is coral circle forwards, and it was simpler than most other fighting games, and the character still had a bunch of deft to them. I personally think of the most fighting games of adopt the simple controls. The more people can get into them much easier and have a fun time for having to go through the frustrating process of having to learn all the other stuff and it’s a struggle and it’s giving up with it

So... The real big problem here is just... That new players won't git gud and quit other games in favor of staying in their comfort zone. Well, that's sad

It’s actually crazy how he was right😭

I expect Project L to change Fighting games the same way Legends of Runeterra changed online CCGs That is, not at all

what project L have that multivesus didn't ? because that did not went well

I mean the best part of having motion inputs is that you can have so much more inputs than just the 4 cardinal inputs and a button also I don't think every game will change it's business model there is a good reason to release a whole new game in the series because it's for new mechanics and maybe even story content that you can't really put in a live service just because fighting games are multiplayer doesn't mean they would be good in the live service space

Hoestly having both options of input is great to me like for street fighter 6 i use modern control but i still do circle inputs so i can use the other options

Can't wait for this game to be available for everyone! I really want to play it!

9:17 he neglects to mention that for the first time in EVO history, all fighting games had a minimum first prize of no less than $25,000. This had nothing to do with Project L.

I dont dislike motion inputs - depending on the motin, i prefer them. The quarter-circle is just iconic. But when i think back to the days of Soul Calibus 2 and the special grabs of Ivy...i think they can get out of hand. Sure, it depends on the person, but i think 'simple' controls is a good thing for accessability, while still being able to give the same depth to the characters. ...then again im a casual at best when it comes to fighting games

I haven't been able to afford any fighting games but I've been avidly following its community Project L is a gamechanger for me especially as it comes from lore that i also follow, I will def be getting this and its F2P style excites me alot.

It was a good run, boys. Motion controls will be missed. I will continue using them until my last breath, but my days are numbers, and the modern control users increase their ranks every day.

I think Idol Showdown did it pretty good with 1 button specials, doing it with 1 button gives u no extra effects but doing the motion inputs lets u build a lot more meter

The 1 button input also will be good for people who have disabilities and can enjoy seeing the specials or even casual fighting like you said in the video.

At this point, is Project L still a placeholder name? or are they either workshopping names or already have one but saving it for release day

I tried to get into mk11 for my friend but i press the buttons for combo and NOTHING happens its dumb and sketchy and just doesnt work

Just way too many assumptions here. We have no idea how big the numbers will be for project L. I think they'll be in line with other fighting games but not utterly remarkable. The strength of the IP does not make the game. Otherwise Dragon Ball Fighter Z would be one of the most popular games in the world. More people know Dragon Ball than League of Legends, their brand is stronger, and yet the game (while very good) didn't cause some crazy shift in the market. I think it's a fantasy land style of thinking to believe that Project L is going to carve out an entirely new market for fighting games.

People want simple controls so they can fight the other player Instead of the control scheme lol

I think the hate around 1 button supers is when they interfere with the traditional norm. I personally believe that if you have a game designed *around* simple inputs that it won’t be as jarring. I like the direction that project L is headed and I’ll be glad to try it out when it comes

This easy mode inputs and baby mode being now the standard rather than an option, like modern controls in sf6 is honestly depressing. This game is going to force every single fighter from now on to have accessibility mode of some sort because it's going to be so huge

Doing the motions are part of the fun, and I think people should learn them. I'm terrible at first person shooters, I can't move with a keyboard and my aim is garbage. But I don't want them to give me walking shortcuts or auto-aiming, I should practice and learn how to move and aim at the game if I want to play it.

To be fair, this is the same conversation that arose when Multiversus "came" out. Same free to play model, same concept of continual updates through a single client, and so forth. While MV was following the trend of a less niche fighting genre, platforming fighter, PL is doing focusing on traditional 2D with the same model MV had. The player base is going to be wide and the pots for tourneys are going to be huge since it's Riot, but I don't necessarily think, speaking as a ex competitor and enjoyer of the genre, that other cornerstone devs like Capcom, Namco, Arcsys, and SNK are going to pivot their game design or infrastructure to match what Riot is doing. Riot is going to have their audience and the rest will have theirs.

Project L is going to be a massive L Riot cannot put out a singular balanced game, there will be a character that'll demolish every other character and will have no opening at all. And when people complain they'll buff him because that's what they do. Or nerf 2 movement speed.

Ive never mained a charge character but its not hard to understand. The charging is more so like a slingshot. You need to hold back longer than you do forward and the input needs to be tight because you dont want to accidently use a charge move when you want to micro walk into a poke. Think of it as pulling a slingshot ive never had issues with charging outside of the advanced combos

Honestly, I feel like the live service bubble is in the middle of collapsing. Older live services that already have their hooks in players will probably survive for a while longer, but it seems like it’s getting harder and harder for new games of this style to make an impact, so I doubt Project L will be much different. I mean, if MultiVersus, which had a much more iconic roster of characters to pull from, and which also had simple inputs, dropped by like 99% player count, then I’m having a hard time imagining Project L being some genre redefining juggernaut.

are motion input really that hard to yall😶‍🌫️

A new juggernaut at play in the industry means it will suck up a lot of advertising budgets most likely, but it's also so large it will get new eyes and faces on the scene. It could make or break it for organized fighting game tourneys if it succeeds for fails, at least for a few years. I think that means that the event organizer budgets over the next few years for a lot of fighting game tourneys might get squeezed some, but once the brand fatigue of Project L sets in the new money in the scene will still be looking for outlets to pour dollars into. I think this could be a rough patch leading to overall growth, but a lot of smaller games are going to get scrubbed out. For the fighting game scene it'll be a definite change all around. I'm curious to see if we'll watch a lot of franchises get consolidated, the complexity and quality standard being so high for project L means that releasing new fighters will be pretty slow going assuming they're willing to get everything done right. Old fighters might try to combine rosters and offer an insane amount of options with the same complexity they've had for decades as their backbone, I could see there being a competitor in the future that's willing to do crossovers and sell a lot of IP in order to compete, like SMITE currently does. I think the only game with big enough brand recognition to pull off a project like that is Mortal Kombat, but it would be cool to see what happens. I just hope Guilty Gear, or at least its developers, keep at it on the scene.

Lets not forget that Counterstrike even if not because of Valorant went free to play to spark growth when games as a service started being more common

I feel like you are over exaggerating a bit, even if Project L becomes the #1 fighting game people are gonna play other games. The question of “why play SF or MK if you have project L is a bit dumb, all of them are different games with different mechanics. Someone might not like the tag system of Project L but enjoy the fast pace combos so they will play Guilty Gear, or maybe they enjoy one button specials but dislike the style of Project L and prefer a more realistic one and play SF. I really don’t think the fighting genre is going to change because of Project L, games will continue to be the same because they are very different from each other,

4:05 yes. I do not think they will ever shift to a free to play model because most players want to own their own copy of the game. Project L isnt going to be that. Its always going to be a free to play game

I usually am for simplyfing the inputs and combos because that's usually what new players get very tunnel visioned on while there are so many more fundamental concepts that are arguibly even deeper and more complex. In league's terms: it's kinda like those players who focus exclusively on micro and never bother to get better at macro. With simple characters it's much easier to focus on the latter because you don't have to constantly worry about messing up your inputs

Do you think they will make these other fighting games free to play after a while because of project L? like how so many shooters became free to play after fortnite and apex?

>games as a service. Yeah, you lost me. That's not a good thing at all. If this stuff does happen, then I guess I'll just be sticking to older fighting games from then on.

I feel like theres a chance that project L wont be as successful as people think. League of Legends and Valorant have something in common, they're both highly strategical games. With no gamesense, any player can lose and that gives a sense of fairnes. Its a skill that most people can learn relatively fairly. However Project L, like most fighting games, is almost completely surrounded around mechanics, timing, and physical skill. Even then, im sure many League fans would at the very least try it out out of love for their favorite champions if its free, but i dont know if the consistency in numbers would actually be reliable like its been for the other two.

I’ve been wondering about this myself and I’m not even a fighting game player, Project L is going to be so big and so different either every other franchise changes, Project L gains a monopoly

I really hope motion inputs wont disappear entirely, they're where a lot of the fun comes in fighting games for me. Without them combos just get way less satisfying

Fighting games as a service? Hmmmm. The concept goes wrong so often in this free to play service games that I have zero reason to believe itll be any different just because its a LoL fighting games.

Wonder how many people will actually play this and if so.. Sad😂

Here is an unsorted set of thoughts that popped into my mind while watching: - There is a commonly overlooked issue with technical input schemes: They don't work on keyboards. Most keyboards can not handle more than 2 simultaneous button presses reliably at the same time (depending on how their electrical matrix is configured). A lot of classical fighting games are simply unplayable without a controller of some sorts. Conversely, motion inputs are great for consoles because every console controller has a directional input system. It's just part of their natural control scheme. - Following up on this: The reason why Project L can do (and does) what it does is because it's based on a PC franchise and targets that userbase primarily. This focus means that it can (and, from a target audience perspective, should) risk somewhat alienating the console players group. A lot FGs still have their primary homes in the console communities. For them switching away from the motion inputs might well imply suicide. - Everyone who copies Project L will be directly competing against it. That's a tall order but I can definitely imagine business executives to have learned nothing from the billions burned by the failed WoW clones. They might be dumb enough to try. - 200k in 2 years is indeed a very conservative estimate considering how much League players hate playing League ;-) - My guess is that in the long-term future (3 years+), the two schemes will compromise towards each other: The classical FGs will retain some motion inputs and others will be collapsed into something akin to BlazBlue's Drive button, and Project L will probably get the odd character with a "not a motion input" motion input (e.g. a 26 that can work on PCs). Riot is well known for being notoriously bad at sticking to their own design rules long-term.

Trust me guys, NONE of these non input games last!! You know what games existed before Dragon Ball FighterZ? The Boudokai series!! Those games had no motion inputs and were very successful games and yet Arc brought inputs in. The modern system in SF6 STILL allows inputs for specials, they didn't trust going all the way. DNF Duel offered no inputs and was considered a "dead game" very early in. The purpose of special moves was to lock your specials behind some kind of active password as opposed to the item system popular in games back then. Without them, players just button mash, and while they get results faster, the lack of endorphins released by execution leads to boredom.

I’m all for it, I think the ability to play with your friends in online multiplayer matches makes project L a lot more accessible. That way it’s easier to introduce a friend who is more interested in qo-op play than straight up competitive play. That way it’s easier to introduce new players into fighting games. So I do think that project L will be a lot of people’s first fighting game.

For me its not just the quarter-turn input but the entire nature of 2d fighters requiring precise inputs with spacing and directional inputs that are sometimes character dependent that keeps me from investing time in one. I don't think its gonna be all that significant of a difference to new fighting game players.

St6 is the new catalyst for adding both, I have a friend who is new to the game and is enjoying it because of modern controls and to be honest it's refreshing to dish out moves and try to understand the moves with no problem of not being able to dish out proper moves. Like players with broken controllers can still play the game and I see that as a win to a new step in fighting games. Like yeah we like to dog on the newbie but it is frustrating that they don't improve and give up on trying to be good. I already gave up in st5 vtrigers made the game harder 💀 and just relying on footsies and random chance ults is the most anxiety, one can have by just trying ti play.

i think tech will be similar, it’s what gives fighting games their identity, but i think it will make free to play a lot more popular. which i think makes a lot of sense for fighting games, where you can buy characters & skins like league

Okay, I had to think about this and I feel like in the end Project L won’t change things all that much more than it has now. Fighting games having simple inputs as an option going forward is probably going to be the only major contribution (aside from maybe adding a new franchise), but I don’t see a major shift happening. The reason why is casuals. Casual gamers do not tend to like the competitive aspect of fighting games. They play the single player, maybe play a few matches with friends, maybe try ranked or casual matches for a little and then put the game away and likely never touch it again. You’re seeing that with SF6 now where people have simple inputs, the execution barrier is the lowest it’s been, but they want nothing to do with the competitive aspects. This trend of casual players doesn’t work well for a free to play game that needs to keep the most people playing and buying even after it’s peak, while it works out great for a $60-70 release that can get immediate cash from the casual audience while picking up additional money from die hards over time. Also, simple inputs and a $0 price tag alone isn’t a guarantee either. We just had Multiversus show up to compete against Smash Bros in a way. It has simple controls, was zero dollars, had a recognizable roster almost on par with Smash Bros, and was considered fun to play. It picked a huge player base that got everyone talking, and then it cratered within 9 months and that was before it was pulled to be supposedly worked on. The game didn’t impact Smash Bros in any way, nor fighting games at large beyond getting eyes on it and I believe it’s because there was nothing else but to run competitive matches. That’s the thing: unless Riot plans to also have a free equivalent to World Tour Mode, or story mode, or other single-player and non-competitive content, casuals aren’t sticking around, and while they’re really important games in general a free to play game needs to retain them even more or it loses money.

I don’t mind simple controls but give us options to do motion inputs too, if not it’s just smash without the platforms and movement. Fighting games will get stale, boring, and then fade into obscurity even more. And before u all attack me. Anyone can learn inputs, it just takes patience and a mindset that’s not afraid of losing and willing to learn. The common thing I see out of ride or die modern control people are that “I don’t like losing and then having to practice in order to actually win”…if that’s the case u don’t like fighting games, full stop. Modern controls won’t fix ur mindset

Good video! I think the business model is going to have to change. I don't think people are going to be dissuaded from learning motion inputs because of Project L tho. I think if the game looks cool and feels fun, you'll learn how to play it. (There's lots of legacy Street Fighter players who don't play charge characters btw)

Personal I am hyped for Project L. I always was interested in the large roster of characters in Legaue. But Top down tower games like that were never my style. I have always like fps and fighters. I really hope this game comes out soon.

Project L will create an avenue for a new type of monetization and game design for fighting games, this much is true. But to say that there’s “no going back” is ridiculous. There have been one button specials since smash 64, and maybe even before. This isn’t a new concept, it’s existed for literally longer than half the viewers of this video have been alive (not an insult, it’s just that old of a concept). Multiverses was an example of free to play fighting games and how they could later be monetized, and Project L took note after the fact. However, the market for F2P titles and paid $60 titles are not entirely the same (there’s a ton of overlap, don’t get me wrong). But street fighter 6 could not exist in the form it exists in if it were free to play. Same goes for titles like guilty gear strive. There’s too much upfront budget and too much risk associated with the model. Fighting games will likely exist in the form they currently do with just a new kind of monetization strategy. Motions will exist, that’s just how it is. Motions are part of game design, much like single button games are. They’re just different things. Globku, I gotta say, I’ve been subbed for sometime, and I feel like as time goes on, you try to make more inflammatory and speculative content than you used to. Maybe it’s just me growin up a bit, but really man?

This video feels like a big stretch if you ask me. People said the same thing about fighterz with its auto combos and being such a big recognizable IP. People said multiversus would kill smash and look where we are. Think this kind of speculation is a waste of time. League is a big game yes but that doesnt translate straight to a fighting game for a number of reasons. Fighting games are a niche genre that need a lot to really make a big boom in sales. SF6 is doing well because people just really love world tour mode which they should its a blast. If Project L comes out barebones like say Guilty Gear Strive that just really wants you to play online then you're not going to see half of that league population playing Project L. 10% maybe. The big roster of league also hurts it if you ask me. There are so many people you could add that you are going to have some people just bow out because their favorite isn't there. Now would other games like this try fighting game genre? If I had to use Apex Legends as an example bear in mind that the community of that game has to scratch, claw, kick, and fight for the simplest of QoL updates because EA won't invest in anything regarding that game that isn't selling you a skin. OW? Blizzard nuked an entire PVE concept because they saw no money. A fighting game ain't happening. tl:dr I find the take cap and controversial.

The way smash incorporates ryu ,ken , and terry is the best of both worlds imo You could do one button specials at reduced damage (15% reduction) . Or you could do the inputs for max damage. Best of both worlds. Sakurai is a genius Modern in streetfighter takes some of that

I kind of felt this way after sf6 feature wise. altho mk11 was my first and it didn't stop me from enjoying games with less features or with more complex combat, and while it wasn't much more complex for my hands, it was mentally complex to learn anime games and street fighter and etc. etc. etc. but I loved the genre... I don't think this will box people in any more than if it had regular controls. a lot of people are gonna stick to project L because it's never going to be dated. it'll get constant patches and releases... that will 'capture' more people from moving to other games more than anything else imo. learning to do a 236/qcf is just not hard enough for most people to stop them. and for those for whom it IS to hard, I'm certainly happy they have new games and options within new games to help them.

Project L looks scuffed as hell

For the sake of game preservation I hope this doesn’t happen but it makes sense for the future

Historically when fighting games show up and performances well it only boosts the popularity of other titles. There is a reason why we are called the FGC sure you have people who stick to specific games but most players will dabble in whatever games people around them play. If you like fighting games you probably like to learn. The people who are scared away after the first week or two aren't going to make a large difference of the span of years.

I have two issues with simple inputs. First is some number of specials cannot be done while having partial option select block due to what directions are held. Though that too could be patched by having specials not activate for a small number of frames after holding back. Second is you cannot have the tiny powerspikes of charge characters firing off a move with nuts frame data balanced only by the time and space invested. It took me a decade before I touched a charge character, but they opened my eyes to a new layer of depth.

motion inputs are kinda what make fighting games what they are i dont like when someone can hit a button to get a special move with out a down side sf6 and grand blue handle one button inputs perfectly since theres a down side to using them and rewards players for actual learning how to do the input and taking the training wheels off

I’ve seen people say if project L does well then other fighting games will have to copy them if they want to increase their player base making 1 button specials the normal going forward. The problem with this logic is if they have this mentality just for motion inputs why would they learn any mechanic other than the ones in project L. For example let’s say the next guilty gear has one button specials, why would a project L player want to learn about roman cancels etc.

Why play a game that requires you to learn different combos and playstyles? That seems like a silly question. It's to play something different. Something that plays and feels differently.

Tekken tag tournament was my first and I'm completely fine with that it was an almost perfect starting ground

I just got into fighting games with ggst and I definitely feel this. I spend more time practicing motion inputs and anything but the simplest of combos are impossible for me atp. Imo you said it right, motion inputs are a relic of the arcade days and fightsticks. It's surprising that fighting games took this long to adapt their controls to the gamepad

I just want Kayn and Aatrox in the game I feel they would have a cool play style

Sports games and some other genres will also have to take that into consideration since many ways of putting out new content is making a newer game with that same franchise over and over again plus, it can make developing content significantly easier this way than making updated games with better graphics I mean the graphics are already more than good enough in my opinion. I miss Bilbzy too.

Can someone clarify for me in what sense MK exists in it's own space? It is the fighting game i've played the most, and i'm curious to understand in which way it is different from other games of the same genre.

Granblue did the motion input vs special button very well. I think cooldowns are great it just normally means less variety in moves per character and that sucks 😮‍💨

My first fighting game was MVC2, I was 6 years old at the time, MVC2 was a really important game in our schools, neighborhood, the entire town knew about MVC2, everybody knew how to do motion inputs, it was easy to learn, it felt rewarding, and it was a skill check for your reaction What makes motion inputs so great is that they added steam to your second hand, it heats it up, it makes you always aware of your finger placement, and adds a feeling of satisfaction to the footsie game, combos, pressure... It also made punishing the opponent from a whiff or an unsafe attack seem harder yet so much more satisfying and fun I get it, you guys don't like motion inputs, why? Low attention span, that's why You winy little crybaby ballsacks People nowadays, expect to be perfect at everything without working hard toward it Motion input are easy as long as you're playing any game that wasn't made by snk, if it was made by snk, then you really have a great point Pretzel motion took me weeks to perfect Btw, people talk about project l a lot, believe me, it's not gonna live up to the hype, it's league of legends fighting game, y'all will want to touch grass real soon

Since its made by Riot games I have a feeling that they'll make it easy for new comers but when the game goes on they will release characters which are overpowered, and over complicated characters that can easily make you not play the older characters..

I don’t mind simple controls for a fighting game. I’m not some fighting game purest, but I do find doing the complex inputs personally fun. I wish they had an option to turn on traditional inputs even if it’s a disadvantage in the game. I just find them fun.

I don’t think you can make a forever fighter. We see this problem with Tekken 7 where you have a critical mass of characters until your players start tuning out and stop wanting to learn matchups. I don’t play much Tekken so I could be overreacting to the problem, but I think the problem of adding infinitely hits a moba little less than a fighter. Then again who knows maybe it’ll be fine I just think a lot of the lol community is as competitive as the fgc so I think this is a problem to be considered. I don’t think one button specials will completely dominate as motions are still important to I’m fairly certain a majority of the current fans. I think it’ll start paving the way for more games having modern controls as a choice, but not the only thing.

one thing project L has a potential to show everyone else is the frequency of balance patches, some ahole on capcom said something about balance once a year which is a Terrible thing, league updates twice a month ish, if they keep balancing the game constantly like in league even if its once a month, then it will show EVERYONE that balance patches are more important than they think

On the 1 button specials. If you can 1 button them, why not allow revamping them to a cuartercircle motion? Allow players to ease into your game, yes it might be harder but if helps with your own flow its good enough

Tbh when you factor in other platforms Multiversus had millions of players as I had a friend who was ranked in the millions when I checked where he was on the leader board. I stopped playing though cuz once you get ranked below 10k your queue times go up and the people you fight become limited