These Full Body Trackers are AMAZING! - StonX Trackers 

niko spotted!

It will definitely become cheaper over time. 100%

Horizons has absolutely nothing on VRChat considering they don't even have legs, technically they do now but, only for other people

@@HamzaHaqqi it's 110$ more expensive than slimevr lol, just get or build slimes, they aren't half as jittery and way better overall

@@lixulia Jitteryness is because antennas used in the pre-production models were not up to spec. Final version will likely be better than slime and long-term there will be an option to upgrade to outside-in for near-Lighthouse accuracy which is something Slime doesn't have.

im so glad I wasnt the only one that noticed xD

Have you seen their discord suggestion channel.... Obviously not

@@lixulia you seem very salty about them for some reason... i just came from there and they all seemed very helpful and focused on making it right

@@lixulia I have been there for 2 years so I know what I'm talking about.

They're goin out of business

@@noisyboy2773 They aren't, they shifted to B2B instead but in turn also selling the rights and everything regarding the body tracking which in my opinion is dumb, they should have licenced it instead.

Oh really? I find the FOV to be the biggest problem for me. Maybe I could consider FBT

@@rathernotsayatall I find the whooping 10 degrees FOV from my Oculus Quest 1 very immersive, really made me feel like Batman

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And since slimes are cheaper and completely open source, you can build and use them now, or buy them for cheaper than this crap

@@zig131 makes sense!

@@lixulia i know that slime is open source and cheaper, but the tinkering isn't for everyone. but calling these ones "crap" is uncalled for, they seem at least on-par with HaritoraX, which have been tested and are known to be pretty good. even if you don't like these for some reason, we all benefit from more affordable competition in the fbt market, so whether you like it or not, this is important.

Yessir

I'm really glad there's some real competition going on now. Vive only really has tundra for competition at the moment. (and in reality the two are basically the same.) But for motion tracking we now have slime, stonx, mocopi, and haritorax.

Same

HaritoraX are very similar for this purpose, BUT stonx beats them with much better battery life and lack of wires all over your body

@@Lord_Vertice They are also only Available in the US and Japan while StonX try to get their stuff world wide.

@@zerocool6452 is that permanent? i thought they're being tested in japan and then released everywhere?

@@Lord_Vertice No idea but it seems like it.

@@zerocool6452 they said on their twitter that they're working on the paperwork but no ETA yet

That is pretty much the exact plan for StonX eventually. The earliest version of StonX was outside-in only with passive (i.e. not electronic) trackers. Once the IMU-only version is out, work will switch to re-implementing Beacon + passive retroflector tracking so you can have the best of both worlds. So not laser tracking - it won't require Lighthouses - but StonX's own "Beacon" which should be cheaper to produce as no moving parts like Lighthouse has.

@@zig131 That makes them pretty unattractive for people with Steam VR base stations. A whole second set of tracking stations is going to be a pain.

This is what we really need! Man it would be so buttery smooth yet never drift away all janky.

And the competition will be so good for us buyers yayyyy ✧⁠\⁠(⁠>⁠o⁠

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That is pretty much the exact plan for StonX eventually. The earliest version of StonX was outside-in only with passive (i.e. not electronic) trackers. Once the IMU-only version is out, work will switch to re-implementing Beacon + passive retroflector tracking so you CAN have the best of both worlds. It still won't require Lighthouse basestations - instead using StonX's own "Beacon" which should be cheaper to produce as no moving parts like Lighthouse has.

what application?

@@deadlyspore3354 OVR-Smooth Tracking

@@crazy_beast I’ll have to check that out when my haritoraX comes in

@@deadlyspore3354 me to, but for slimevr

@@crazy_beast I would have gotten those but the allure of using Bluetooth instead of relying on Wi-Fi was to tempting and the wait time for the slimes are a bit longer

That jitter is only there because of an antenna that doesn't meet up to their spec and that will get fixed once they ship.

I ask the same question

I think it has something to do with male/female bone structure. Regardless of gender, your biological sex determines how that's made up, and depending on how you move around based on that it'll probably adjust the tracking setup I think it's a funny way of avoiding directly asking if you're a boy or a girl

you can use a pc or a macbook,Thats the same 😎

If we lived in a fantasy land, where meta made the source code for the firmware of the Rift and the Rift controllers open-source, we could have lighthouse tracking quality for a fraction of the cost. But sadly meta is meta...

Rift CV1 Constellation Tracking is really good and on par with Lighthouse while using much cheaper components. Unfortunately fully owned/controlled by Meta who seem to have no interest in using it themselves or licensing it out 😔 However the long-term plan for StonX is to add their own outside-in tracking method to the existing trackers. The first version of StonX was outside-in and a smart method of doing that was developed that is different from Valve/Vive and Meta's methods. Once the IMU-only version is out, work will switch to providing an option to upgrade those trackers to be trackable with "Beacons". It should result in Lighthouse quality tracking but using cheaper components. StonX could eventually be used to track controllers and even headsets!

Actually something the StonX team has planned for a bit later lol, plus cool thing about that is that they're going to make it able to dynamically switch between optical and IMU in case of occlusion

Yes because a dongle is a better connectivity method because that allows for cxontanst improvements which you can't really do with Wifi.

It improves the accuracy of the body calibration slightly. Although, no reason to not try both to see which one works best for you.

Like HaritoraX but cheaper! An advantage of HaritoraX, is that all the trackers are wired together so you only need to charge one thing. But that does make it a bit messy - see Thrillseeker's video on it - and StonX has an optional charging dock so you can charge all 6 trackers with a single cable.

@@zig131 oh i see. so that + better battery life and the fact that both support the same amount of total trackers, should ultimately make these the better choice. and the memes of course

You need at least 2 base stations for 360 degree tracking.

As someone who's built their own slimevr, modded an Oculus Rift, used kinect for a bit and even tried April Tags. I can tell you that there's nothing at the moment that gets close to Tundra/Vive.

@@xatoor Will be nice to see how close StonX can get to Light House tracking once the Beacons come out.

StonX looks to very competitive on a price-to-performance standpoint and has the optional convenience of a charging dock but of course it isn't here yet so it depends if you're willing to wait a few months. What gets me excited about StonX is the plan to add an outside-in option in the long-term so eventually StonX could be used to track controllers and headsets as well. The PCVR ecosystem could really benefit from an open, interoperable, tracking system that isn't over-engineered like Lighthouse. Lighthouse tracking is great but has moving parts which require precision and quality assurance meaning they will always be expensive. Through smart software, Rift CV1 Constellation tracking provides near Lighthouse accuracy but with much cheaper components. StonX could do the same thing while being open to other companies licencing it meaning small companies can release great VR products without having to develop their own tracking or rely on their customers already having expensive hardware.

that, and that they are smaller, lighter, -claim to be super optimized both hardware-wise (that's how you get 20hrs of battery in such a small device) as well as software-wise (and supposedly the software is very user-friendly), -don't need a specific wifi connection (they provide a dongle for that) and supposedly won't need as much bandwidth as slimes, -have a seperate tracking data algorithm (F.A.P) that has advantages like fine-tuned skating correction (but clearly needs the love and time that slimevr algorithm has received), -use earth's magnetosphere to correct drift (according to dev, zero drift throughout the entire 20hrs of battery), -charging might be less of a hassle (but I can't confirm cus my slimes havent arrived yet), -and that they're an investment considering, when the stonx tracker beacon drops, these will (allegedly) become vive-tracker precise. -also, SOCKSSS

There's supposed to something like base station for the trackers but they come separate

Not out yet idk when

We are a registered company so you'll have warranty on the stuff.

Agreed

Warranty won't be a problem and software will get better when it ships.

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Hold up