-Caedrel: BLG bet GENG both in Msi and worlds and is going in with 4/5 the same players from last year which means they have prebuilt synergy with an upgrade with the best mid laner in lpl, meanwhile Chovy and Kiin are notorious international chokers and the team has only 3 months of synergy- MEATRIDER CAEDREL! LPL HAS ONLY WON THE LAST 4 MSI/MSC TOURNAMENT! WHY WOULD YOU THINK THEIR LIKELY TO WIN IT AGAIN?? KEWL!!!! THE EARTH IS PROBABLY FLAT!
@@alphaaa5754 i forgot you had to play at the highest level to be able to analyze at the highest level. using this logic 90% of coaches for almost every sport including esports shouldn't coach because their players play at a higher level than the coach ever did. 👍
@@alphaaa5754 compared to caedrel's years of experience as pro player/coach/analyst/caster/streamer/most knowledgeable rat about League out there. DL 100% doesn't know what he's talking about and he knows it too. He also knows how to leech off of whatever's popular in the community to squeeze a bit more juice out of his dying popularity.
@@alphaaa5754 Dumb take, no need to be pro to coach. DL is still an airport speedrunner tho, also doesnt watch half what Caedrel has watched in terms of pro matches.
DL really just says the first thing that comes to his head and makes predictions based off intangibles and memes because he knows if he tried actually analyzing something on stream he would sound absolutely clueless
It's true that BLG is not a step ahead of T1 and GEN G they should be at the same tier also G2 being at the same tier as TES knowing the amount of teams that TES played and how much they evolved it's pretty clueless to put them in the same tier.
@@joangallegoqBLG is ahead because they matchup better vs those two teams, T1 is a comeback team and even though comeback wins are impressive it’s better to not be in a deficit in the first place. For gen g peyz is looking extremely shaky while elk is peaking and considering botlane has been the most important role in esports for a while now it makes sense to put BLG above them.
@@omarjafar846 Making a statement like that is non-sense. T1 did beat every LPL team last year without comebacks and GEN G lost to BLG because yeah Peyz is playing weakside while BLG top is playing weakside. Remember that these teams have not played yet, both are with different players.
@@joangallegoq T1's form is not the same throughout 2 years lol. You're on high copium if you think T1 is looking anywhere near as good as 6 months ago. Remember T1 lost 1-3 to BLG last year at MSI.
@@damiester1And blg lost to t1 last worlds. Saying playing from deficit isn’t a good way to win is crazy. That what jdg was doing the entirety of last year and how t1 manage to beat jdg. Outteamfight them from behind. Blg is favored currently right now in this meta if they were to do msi but I wouldn’t count on any fixed ranking once meta shift.
@@tarakbelhiba3168 well... it showed lol. Idk in caedrels position I would've been completely unbothered. DL didn't watch the games thats enough said. Caedrel didn't need to get all serious about it and talk about for 2 mins about "not getting into it" and "avoiding drama". If actually wanted to avoid "drama" he would've just said "well I watched the games so..." and moved on. Saying "I'm not gonna get into it" is getting into it lol
I love how chill you are about the whole thing. Like you gave your opinion, gave your reasoning and just stuck with it and moved on. No arguing, no unnecessary drama or anger. Love your content, especially your casts and drafting.
I swear to god i can't believe what doublelift just said. Caedrel has been watching all the leagues from start to finish. Even i had hard times watching all these videos on your channel when i had no really free time, i can't imagine how hard your job was. it's just insane. Props to you not to make it a drama, that's why i respect you. have a good one.
@@Teroo1234 True Caedrel may not watch too much LPL, but at least he watched the more important playoffs matches. DL literally ONLY watched the finals of LPL
That's literally what he did, make drama out of nothing, he decided to react to DL video and rather than taking it as a joke as DL was clearly joking around he made it serious to make DL look bad and play victim. His stream has become a pity party and his disciples are there for it.
Caedrel is right. No point in starting drama over someone's tierlist. Anyone can have an opinion. Move on fans of either side, this "drama" ain't worth fighting each other over.
When it comes to current league knowledge, im going to side with random twitch chatters over DL. DL unironically believes that sion diving bot level 1 and then TP'ing top is a lane swap. Like the top laner laning top and the bot lane laning bot is a lane swap?? Actually clueless.
@@jimai808well DL is the type of player who gets away with so much because of his raw mechanics. This is one problem he has, his ego and he has minimum shotcall or analytical thinking when it comes to league.
When it comes to League knowledge, I'm going to side with Caedrel. DL has always been a stupid takes machine, even at his peak performance. Clearly being a good player has no relation to being smart about the game
Good shit man im glad you said what you said we need more people that tell it how it is and not just react to the crap. I think double lift has good points but honestly that was stupid because he doesnt know how much we watch when didn't even watch it. Good
My guy just did a tier list with his viewers. Someone decided to react, took it personally, played victim and threw some shade after some jokes. DL did not start this so quit D riding.
DL: "How TF are they in a completely different tier than GenG and T1?" Me: 😮 They are not tho. S and S+ are the same tier. S+ only means they are slightly better or an upgrade to S. The problem with these visual viewers not bothering to pause to think... why are we lacking comprehension here?
@@kevinrobichaud8560 "DL did not start this" I assume you don't know what it's like to just wake up one day and you see a random fucking guy you have 0 contact with call your opinions drug-induced. There is legit nothing in search about the 2 ever coming into contact until this, and it's DL trying to shit on and joke on someone he does not know. They dont make the same content They aren't in the same region They have never came into contact with each other Caedrel hasn't even This has to be stupid, joking on someone you've never even met has never worked so why tf would it here. This isn't the first time either, DL legit got away with making a god awful Sexual Assault "take" to someone he did not know just because it was brought up to him before he went back to pro and everyone seemed to have forgot. DL is actual cancer and I see no reason why people keep acting like DL does not legit wake up and decide who to speak on people he's never met before. It is not funny to see people try to get clicks off you lmao.
Watching this and the vid of dom regarding DL criticising caedrel, I just love the fact that they do share very similar opinions for which they re giving the same reasons. You’d really think that they re costreaming those regions for 1/2 a day for a few months while DL has invested a solid 30 minutes skipping through LPL finals and nothing else :)
I will always admire Doublelift for his confidence in just being able to wing it. When I haven’t studied enough and feel unprepared for class, I usually take the opposite approach and try to keep a low profile. But that’s not DBL’s style! Nothing is gonna stop him from displaying his incompetence.
Win plan of blg: even if bot lane of blg lose the lane phase , mid&jungle give up their cs and go to bottom on the time when minions erased in front of blg side tower. Then blg bottom make huge wave of minions and dive oponents bottom with mid jungle. The result of this play make over 1 thousands gold lead of blg at bottom lane. Lck team will be fucking hard to win blg if they don’t find blg jungle before they do this.
I'm with DL on this one... a whole different tier means at least a 70-30 which is impossible. I would put them on the same tier even though GenG is not known for international plays even tho they have a diff roster.
4:20 true but peanut choke so hard the last 2 worlds and doran had some moment with gragas but he got solokill 3 time by sion top lets not forget this 2 guy
7:27 FINALLY someone said this. The choking argument is so so stupid when comparing teams strength. I swear, if I see anyone else say that "GenG are not the best, they always choke" I'm gonna lose it
@@azhus9307 that's completely up to the person making the tier list. I see tier lists for every tournament where the streamer prefaces the list with "this is based on how well I think they will perform".
ok, then let's just put it in the other perspective. "If I ever have to hear again, that Chovy is the best player in the world, despite never passing semis at worlds, never showing anything at any single international, then i'M gonna lose it". Yes it would be stupid based on one incident, but i'M hearing Chovy is the best for 4 years if not more. And i'M tired of watching the "supposedly best player" literally afk farming through game deciding teamfights and having 0 clutch factor in any of these games.
I'm so confused why we're are acting like Doublelift disagreeing to Caedrel's tierlist and him reacting is drama. I don't think that IWD's tweet helps either because now it makes it seem more like drama. Bro, it's a fucking tier list discussion. What drama is there?
Its the same drama with DL as usual. DL never bothers putting an iota of research on his takes, and then starts shitting on other's takes. If you're going to throw stones, make sure you dont live in a glass house.
Caedrel has broken down teams macros, their strengths and weaknesses for 4 months of watching all the regions. Which then other streamers/content creators who as the other reply said, have not done shit all in research used words that are very fucking stupid such as hard drugs and shit knowing that they're community will take it out of context and put fuel into the fire. Ofc there will be drama in a way or another
Disagreeing isn’t drama, acting like the person you are disagreeing with is ultra biased, doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is on drugs is drama
the reason why i don't trust tier list is because thing like this. everyone has their own "analysis". and even though i like T1, i gotta admit T1 is one of those team that too volatile to put your hopes onto. sometimes they are good sometimes they are bad. GenG even though they are looking good but somehow they always choke on international stage. while LPL, they are bunch of lunatics that sometimes so chaotic but it works. that's why i just want to enjoy the series. if T1 win, that's good for me. if other team win, it's good for me too. as long as they give me such banger series, then i won't regret anything.
@@andrec1629 Calling someone a joke because their stream doesn't reach 100k viewers is pretty harsh, I do think that BLG was better but it doesn't mean that I think Doublelift is some sort of blabbering baboon like everyone else in comments seems to think
@@lord_of_cheddar9695 it wasnt me that called him a joke bro , i just pointed out to the comment above that making playoffs pales in comparison to getting 100k streams. Caedrel is basically setting himself up for life.
there are people literaly looking at DL streams saying random things not even knowing wtf he says. It's insane to me this type of person shouldn't be followed
This feels like it should've been 2 separate videos. Title is like "Caedrel reacts to LCS Finals, States his opinion on the Socioeconomic state of the Middle East"
Despite DL being a great player, he would never be able to predict correctly when it came to drafts or team strength. He's only known to follow what's popular. I remember back in the days before he joined 100T, he would ALWAYS shit talk Ssumday. Oh he solo killed Fudge? No response. Oh, Sssumday got solo killed by Fudge? "Ssumday is so bad". Eventually they ended as teammates too... So yeah... not the most analytical person out there.
This is just how DL generally analyzes stuff, he just spitballs off his gut feeling and throws some memes in there. Caedrel tends to analyze things at a more focused level, but that doesn't mean either of them are wrong. They're just giving their opinion based on what they believe. Wouldn't put too much value on any of it, but if you put a gunto my head I'll take Caedrel's word any day of the week. Dude's read on the meta and strategy is really on another planet right now.
Here what's you need to know. T1 Gets a playoff power up then a international power up. Gengee chokes at msi and worlds. And lpl kriptinight is t1. The same thing happened at worlds. Why it's so hard to do tier list.
So he flames Caedrel with BLG being higher than T1 and GENG meanwhile doing the same with GENG and T1. They are all fucking sick teams with difference only how much they can cook and if they can play/create meta and how well they slept. :D But still I would say that there is higher chance of BLG beating both geng and t1, if t1 don't choke on geng or don't apply their LPL slayer buff and geng don't choke as allways at international
Chovy is the best midlaner on paper period, knight is not even close, but not sure irl🤣🤣🤣🤣. You got to reconsider geng ranking since they have peyzpal which only works internationally.
with just that bot lane we saw in finals, if Elk and On does that it's just won. But hey we can't count any other teams just want banger series that's all no cringe 2-0 3-0 fuck that shit we going silver scrapes.
Just some co-stream lore. Doublelift when he streamed with Sneaky and Meteos was meme'd for saying false facts and random nonsense by them and twitch chat. Might be the reason why he stopped co-streaming with each other because he didn't have yes mans
I agree with Doublelift's take on GenG becoming more reliable though. I would put them alongside BLG on the tierlist too. Just because they look vulnerable on Semis and Finals while BLG look dominant isn't an indicator of skill diff but rather regional competition diff.
I will be completely honest. You do definitely root for T1, just judging from past videos from now there is a noticeable amount of T1 bias. Not saying that what Doublelift said is anything even close to the truth but you definitely are a T1 fan
Nah but surely, we aren't getting a bunch of drama because of a tier list, the least serious thing in the world. DL may be an idiot, but the obsession the Dom/Monte/Thorin crowd have with him is just weird at this point. Literally no reason for a tier list to be worth this much discourse.
It is when he creates dishonest narratives around players and teams. Dom and Thorin are lpl fans and that reagion has been plagued by bad commentary from western fans and media, so when a leading figure talks out of his ass you will of course be angry
I don't get why doublelift just gets this he is an idiot pass perma and it excuses everything he does. Like does being an idoit just make you immune to criticism and reprieve. Makes you allowed to undermine a walkout and lie about lane swaps on streams. Call Dom a parasite while stating that the only reason you don't want to play pro is because the money isn't millions anymore. If dom/monte/thoorin are the only people that will call this guy out on his bs than I am fine with them having a crusade on this idiot.
if you think this is Only about the tierlist and not actually the culmination of DL’s braindead actions throughout history then either you’re deliberately clueless or are probably the kind of guy that would never guess their gf is currently unhappy and will think her decision to leave you came out of “nowhere” when in reality all the signs were there, you just didn’t care to look.
Canyon choked in finals against the lion logo chinese team that had swordart. He played his worst series ever especially the Talon game. But he is my goat.
Its all fun banter between DL and Caedrel. Neither of them actually care that much who's better between BLG and T1. But watch the fans will devolve this into some weird drama.
Idk I like DL but people who take his silly opinions seriously are kinda cringe. Like we all know lil bro hasnt watched LPL. BLG could def be the favorite and LPL teams have always looked better on shorter notice. Msi will legit be a big test for Gen G to see if they can actually adapt or play their style regardless of the opposition.
