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"They are Afraid to Have their Opinions Challenged" (Clip featuring Reporter Cam Higby) 

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This clip features a recent Spectrum Street Epistemology conversation with Reporter Cam Higby: • What Makes a War Just?... .
He shares his experiences covering the UCLA encampments and discusses his interactions with students and "media liaisons." NB we invited nearby protesters for Palestine and Hamas to speak with us but they all declined.
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@tiluriso
@tiluriso 24 дня назад
In other words, woke ism is indistinguishable from any religious Cult.
@rullangaar
@rullangaar 24 дня назад
This. When I saw the headline for the video I thought ”oh the Church of Scientology runs universities now”. Turns out it’s worse than that.
@tiluriso
@tiluriso 23 дня назад
@@rullangaar It's far and away, much much worse than Scientology, In Scientology, you have to pay big money to join and climb up the ranks of the its church, whereas Wokeness is rammed down peoples throats everywhere, in private and public education, jobs, corporation, for free meaning yo can't really pay them off , you can't opt out of it.
@avishevin1976
@avishevin1976 22 дня назад
These protests have nothing to do with being woke.
@tiluriso
@tiluriso 21 день назад
@@avishevin1976 Really? Please explain how they are not part of the woke/identity politics/ intersectional worldview?
@ginabean9434
@ginabean9434 14 дней назад
_:woke ism is indistinguishable from any religious Cult."_ While Israel politics are not?
@rullangaar
@rullangaar 24 дня назад
I’m flabbergasted, you’re at a university, you’re young, you’re supposed to have opinions, and also have them challenged. This is crazy. Really crazy.
@psymantronic1528
@psymantronic1528 23 дня назад
Unfortunately there's heavy repression of pro Palestinian opinions from the media in the US so it's not worth taking the risk of speaking openly.
@jumpupdown2556
@jumpupdown2556 23 дня назад
​@@psymantronic1528 there's also the fact that the protests are heavily anti-American, and that the Americans there will gleefully sell out half the country in order to get "justice" Really, they wanna turn it into a, "socialist reconstruction of the United States" which in coded Marxist speak means killing anyone who does not agree with the party line. This whole "human rights activism for da babies" is a complete facade. Most of us see it.
@heftyind
@heftyind 23 дня назад
​@psymantronic1528 there is not any repression at all. The pro-palestinians simply have horrendous opinions justifying terrorism and genocide, and they're tired of the public reacting negatively to that.
@td8916
@td8916 23 дня назад
@@heftyind when you say that do you not feel a bit disingenuous? its literally the same as someone (ha mas) throwing a brick through a window and then the person who owns that house (isr ael) bulldozing the person the house of the person who threw the brick, plus everyone elses house on that street. Do you not see that or do you think the window is worth more that the others house? Ps please dont reply with a strawman
@psymantronic1528
@psymantronic1528 23 дня назад
@@heftyind Israel is the side that's in the dock for gen 0 c1de and the protestors are protesting against that. Hamas themselves decry anti semetism in their charter so even if the lie that the protestors support Hamas was true that would prove they also were against anti-semetism. Of course anyone with a brain would know that just from seeing how many Jews join in with the protests and the welcome they get.
@mikelee9886
@mikelee9886 24 дня назад
They want to keep holding onto beliefs that they know they can’t defend because they cant internally process what it means if they are wrong.
@LauraHorrorshow
@LauraHorrorshow 24 дня назад
So much for freedom of the press. “You’re not allowed to talk to reporters or else”? Holy dystopia, Batman!
@TheCentristChad
@TheCentristChad 24 дня назад
The Leftist can’t even make an argument anymore 😂
@immanuelcan3310
@immanuelcan3310 23 дня назад
What kind of "demonstrators" don't want to talk to people, including media, to convince them of their view? What kind of "concorde" depends on enforcing silence? If they don't want to "demonstrate" anything, then they should be cleared off and sent home: they have nothing to "demonstrate" or say, clearly. So they're just another homeless encampment, it seems.
@lforlight
@lforlight 20 дней назад
I think it came as a response to those videos where people ask "what river, what sea" and the protestors are clueless. So they made a rule to not show the sheep's ignorance.
@jackspencer8290
@jackspencer8290 24 дня назад
It's an ideological cult, plain and simple.
@sdrc92126
@sdrc92126 24 дня назад
If you want to build a new civilization, you must first start with a cult
@ginabean9434
@ginabean9434 14 дней назад
And what is actual Israel politics?
@SierraSierraFoxtrot
@SierraSierraFoxtrot 24 дня назад
The fact they're instructed not to talk to EACH OTHER is CRAZY.
@tituspullo9943
@tituspullo9943 24 дня назад
It's a cult.
@Sedgewise47
@Sedgewise47 24 дня назад
@@tituspullo9943 🤨 _YUP_ …
@_nebulousthoughts
@_nebulousthoughts 24 дня назад
Bingo ​@@tituspullo9943
@woodb51
@woodb51 24 дня назад
Peter, you are shaking things up and that’s a great thing. I have noticed a number of words heavily used by many people when they are unable to define them. Words like fascist, racist, and of course the essential phrase, “our democracy.” There is a professor at PSU, Sam Richard’s who is doing a wonderful thing in his sociology classes.
@Anne_Onymous
@Anne_Onymous 24 дня назад
Yey authoritarianism 🎉
@sdrc92126
@sdrc92126 24 дня назад
You cannot challenge their beliefs because they don't have any, they can only speak from a memorizing a flowchart of responses, aka program. This is your entry pass into polite society. Look up Morely Winograd education advisor about how millennials should not be taught critical thinking
@DeckerdBR
@DeckerdBR 24 дня назад
Nothing says "im not confident in my beliefs", more than being unable to discuss and debate them with someone who might not have the same views as you.
@natalietaylor8508
@natalietaylor8508 23 дня назад
I loved watching the full video because Cam was so great at articulating his points. I hope you have him on your channel again!
@woodwest11
@woodwest11 24 дня назад
This is just getting more and more absurd is there any signs of stopping anyone in college here that knows anything? “Through your lived experience”😂
@reven-docta79
@reven-docta79 24 дня назад
Part of the learning process IS vigorous, intellectually honest dialogue…this is basic stuff here🤷
@bengreen171
@bengreen171 23 дня назад
engaging with dishonest actors like Higby is not a necessity.
@heftyind
@heftyind 23 дня назад
​@@bengreen171you can't know they're dishonest without engaging them.
@bengreen171
@bengreen171 23 дня назад
@@heftyind He works for Tucker Carlson's organisation - that's enough proof for any rational person.
@reven-docta79
@reven-docta79 23 дня назад
@@heftyind Bingo👏👏👏👏👏👏
@reven-docta79
@reven-docta79 23 дня назад
@@bengreen171 It’s literally called Dialectic discourse. It’s also how people stop wars when they come to the negotiating table. And of course, high schools and colleges have their version…they are called Debate Teams. Please stop Pretending that’Non Dialogue’ is the way to solve Anything. Professors have a young generation of Group-thinking idiots, imbeciles, and Non Critical thinkers. Hope you’re not one.
@jeffreyscott4997
@jeffreyscott4997 23 дня назад
If reason is the slave of the passions, why talk to anyone with different passions? They want what they want, and there is nothing "underneath" that to discuss.
@maggieellis2303
@maggieellis2303 24 дня назад
Good man there. Good men.
@metgirl5429
@metgirl5429 24 дня назад
Great clip 🇦🇺
@SierraSierraFoxtrot
@SierraSierraFoxtrot 24 дня назад
Re-upload? I wish I remembered what I commented onnthe 1st upload...
@satiricgames2129
@satiricgames2129 24 дня назад
They said this year was the year of the CULT
@MrsRitchieBlackmore
@MrsRitchieBlackmore 18 дней назад
It's really too bad, bc there are ACTUAL VALID REASONS to be pro Palestinian independence. They should come armed with these facts.
@BoomstickFTW
@BoomstickFTW 9 дней назад
Give me on reason “Palestinians” deserve their own state on Israeli land?
@Jennifer-h5f
@Jennifer-h5f 20 дней назад
This is insane. For four years when Trump was in office, I participated in more than eight marches/rallies/demonstrations. At no time did I believe that I was so uninformed that I could not speak to any reporter as to why I was there. I participated in the Tax March (because Trump had not released his tax records in full disclosure of his potential conflicts of interest), the Science March (because of his attacks on federal agencies and the expert work that they did), the March to Support DACA (because of Trump’s immoral family separation policies), a march against Trump for his illegal shakedown of Ukraine by withholding weapons already approved by Congress, and so on. If marchers don’t know the subject matter enough to answer rational questions, they shouldn’t be there, and it doesn’t matter whether it’s conservative or liberal media outlets doing the asking.
@fastfreddy3103
@fastfreddy3103 15 дней назад
Get a job.
@Jennifer-h5f
@Jennifer-h5f 15 дней назад
@@fastfreddy3103 I worked the entire time.
@staffakartherma
@staffakartherma 21 день назад
Nothing says getting your message out like not talking and/or having a media liason.
@jboomhauer
@jboomhauer 24 дня назад
I don't think there is discourse to be had on protesting a genocide. There are no both sides of the argument.
@michaelmravetz6276
@michaelmravetz6276 24 дня назад
Unless you don't believe it's a genocide... id assume they should try to convince the other side or rationalize their position.
@aryandefenseleague8243
@aryandefenseleague8243 24 дня назад
@@michaelmravetz6276hi shlomo
@baconsarny-geddon8298
@baconsarny-geddon8298 24 дня назад
"Zere iz no discourse to be had, on ze Jewish destruction of ze German family!! Zere iz no both sides, to ze elimination of ze Aryan people!!"
@baconsarny-geddon8298
@baconsarny-geddon8298 24 дня назад
The fact that this level of mask-off "I'm right you're wrong, no debate" authoritrianism, and refusal to engage with beliefs different to their own, has become so widespread, normal and acceptable, is deeply concerning. I suspect they often don't even realise the fact that they're adopting basically THE single most intolerant, authoritrian position you could possibly have, where submission, or violence, are THE ONLY options they leave on the table. This is maybe the most concerning aspect of The New Puritans- The ease with which they instinctively distort language and definitions, to justify their authoritrianism, and absolute intolerance of dissent; Any action they dislike (not ONLY on this issue, but also in enforcing their evidence-free pseudo-religion of sex-independent "genders", or even in racial politics) gets defined as "genocide", Making literally ANY action ""'justifiable""", in response. Same as how ANY dissent, or diversity of belief is (INSANELY ironically) defined as "fascism", in order to demonize and dehumanize anyone with different beliefs. Again, making literally ANY action justifiable, in their worldview. This is textbook stuff, for ANY of the most infamously authoritrian regimes of the past. Step 1- Redefine your enemy, and/or the enemy's actions, to dehumanize the enemy as something unambiguously despicable and indefensible- "Genocidal", "Zionist vermin", "fascists", "parasites upon the Aryan race", "imperialist enemies of the Soviet people", "Tutsi cockroaches", these labels ALL perform an identical function. Step 2. Adopt a "no debate" policy, to avoid having to justify your own position, and to FURTHER de-humanize your enemy; "They aren't worthy of treating as humans!", "Why would you ever lower yourself, by treating them as fellow human beings?!?", "These people DON'T DESERVE basic human rights, like free speech, equality, fair/equal legal treatment, freedom from violence....". [This "no debate" position ALSO makes it much easier to strawman your enemy, in the eyes of your own supporters; Your supporters never get a chance to hear the enemy speak for themselves- At best, they may get cherry-picked, out of context clips/quotes, presented in the most bad faith way possible. Or more likely, your supporters ONLY EVER hear your own strawmanned depiction, of the enemy's position and motives]. Step 3- Now that you've created the """reality""" in the mind of your own supporters (and hopefully, in the minds of the public in general), that your enemy is inherently evil, no longer "a person", but a frothing, monstrous "genocidal fascist bigot", and dangerous threat to the German family/the Soviet workers/Palestinian childen/trans folx/the glorious revolution/whoever else you've situated as "the good guys", you have free reign to basically do as you please; This is no longer a disagreement between two groups of people, who have different perspectives on what the right thing to do is; It's now the morally righteous Good People, opposing literal evil; Anyone with opposing beliefs is now AT BEST a one-dimesional villain, like something from a Saturday morning cartoon, rubbing their hands and cackling, saying "I can't wait to oppress and genocide those helpless children!!" ...Or more likely, you've de-humanized your enemy SO effectively, that your supporters don't even CONSIDER what the other side's perspective and motivations might be; They're just "a thing that needs to be eliminated", like a disease, or insect infestation... [I suspect we're PROBABLY still at that "cartoonishly evil villain" stage... but we're getting pretty damn close to the "just an insect infestation, that needs to be eliminated" stage, as the left gets more and more comfortable with the idea that anyone with beliefs EVEN SLIGHTLY different from their own (see ex-darlings of the left, like JK Rowling or Elon Musk- Whose beliefs haven't changed; Both just refused to shift from the OLD liberalism, where free speech, and genuine tolerance, were still left-wing values) are unworthy of basic human rights, must be silenced, are deserving of violence, etc..]
@isma3il2005
@isma3il2005 24 дня назад
A very quick RU-vid search shows you there are plenty of those who are willing to share a convo. This just highlights a particular breed of people where we found the same insanity around race/politics/gender But people are quick to brand the whole issue with them because the viewers of this channel are more comfortable stereotyping them than doing a simple RU-vid search.​@@michaelmravetz6276
@psymantronic1528
@psymantronic1528 23 дня назад
The problem with Boghosian's game! is that it's very bad a challenging beliefs that are his own. This guy made a whole load of claims about the anti gen 0 c1de camp that he should have been challenged on but since they coincided with Peter's belief he didn't bother exploring them.
@heftyind
@heftyind 23 дня назад
Why do you go ahead and explain exactly what he got wrong instead of just accusing Bog of bias?
@psymantronic1528
@psymantronic1528 23 дня назад
@@heftyind You're question quite usefully explains my issue because my point was nothing to do with all the things the guy got wrong it was that Bog didn't question his claims in the way that his game normally works. My criticism is the same whether I think what the guy says is true or not. From what I've seen of bog if he hadn't agreed with the guy he would have questioned the guy in order to satisfy his claim that his game is to find out why people think what they do not to persuade them otherwise.
@reiserkeiser
@reiserkeiser 23 дня назад
​@@psymantronic1528He leans Israel. I've seen and heard enough from him to see this.
@izzywizzy685
@izzywizzy685 21 день назад
I don’t always agree with Peter but I’m not sure I’m following what you mean with this comment? It’s as if some think in order to do something they have to be perfect, think of every possible interpretation and anything less is seen as intentional. Frankly I think the amount of overthinking going on in some ways with some things is absurd. Often times intentions and assumptions are assigned ahead of time. For example, I would say that most people in general do not support the mass unaliving of others yet I get the impression some think that most people do support it which is just absurd to me.
@psymantronic1528
@psymantronic1528 21 день назад
@@izzywizzy685 Are you sure you understand what Bog is trying to do because his whole process is about examnng, using a philosophical process, how people think. You'd have to go a long way to over think that, if you think about his game is about tackling 'under thinking' by thinking deeper. The fact that you don't understand what my point is when the point is very clearly made in my first sentence suggests the stated goal of Bog's process would serve you well. You appear to be suggesting that I've picked on a minor imperfection and rubbished the whole process because of that. This ignores the fact that what concerns me is not a minor imperfection, it is something that goes against the whole purpose of his street epistemology and I've limited it's impact to a very specific circumstance ie when he starts with assertions he agrees with. It is clear in this video that he supports the Israeli narrative on Gaza but he's also made that clear in other videos. There's an interesting interview Bog did in front of an Indian audience. The interviewer put forward the proposition that the internet is a force for bad (or something like that) which Bog agrees with. The interviewer then asks him to steal man the proposal - which considering how many good things there are on the internet should be an easy task. Bog fails miserably. I don't think you're right if you're actually claiming that most people don't support mass unaliving? Don't you think most people support the bombing of Hiroshima, and war in general? Most people are not pacifists.
@user-tl2wz5xr1i
@user-tl2wz5xr1i 24 дня назад
Stop asking antifa blm feds !!! Sit down with Ann Wright - under bush Floatila
@iilish
@iilish 23 дня назад
This young man is lying.
@izzywizzy685
@izzywizzy685 21 день назад
Why do you say that. Just stating he’s lying but not offering anything to support the claim makes it just a claim.
@damianvisser977
@damianvisser977 20 дней назад
Prove it, or aren't we allowed to talk about it?
@damianvisser977
@damianvisser977 20 дней назад
You know the problem you guys have? You drew beaucoup publicity, and Islam cannot withstand publicity. The longer this goes on, the more people are seeing the truth. Where are the million-strong marches? All you can drum up now are professional protesters and idiots, and even the idiots are beginning to wise up. Have a nice day.
@alisdairmccabe7497
@alisdairmccabe7497 23 дня назад
This is why if you’re team Palestine, I’m going to assume you’re ignorant over educated until proven otherwise. Sozzle
@onepartyroule
@onepartyroule 24 дня назад
3:19 That is quite the non sequitur. Being against the "oppression of women" and Israel's actions on Gaza are not remotely inconflict with one another. The implication of his argument would be that if youre against certain lack in women's rights in Gaza you should support Israeli war crimes.
@SineEyed
@SineEyed 24 дня назад
No, because nothing was said about Israel. They were only talking about Palestinians, and their supporters on that campus. What he mentioned there primarily highlights the supporters' hypocrisy..
@onepartyroule
@onepartyroule 23 дня назад
@@SineEyed There’s no hypocrisy in that instance because supporting Gaza against Israeli attack (that is what they mean by supporting Gaza, obviously) in no was contradicts their support of women’s rights. To suggest it does is both facetious and disingenuous.
@heftyind
@heftyind 23 дня назад
​@@onepartyrouleWomen don't have rights in Gaza and never will under current leadership. That's what you're supporting.
@SineEyed
@SineEyed 23 дня назад
@@onepartyroule haha the only thing disingenuous here is your farcical framing of these events. You cite "Israel's attacks on Gaza" as if those actions are unprovoked. That is truly ridiculous. Have you forgotten the mass incursion by Hamas into Israel where they proceeded to murder thousands of civilians indiscriminately? Shall I link you to a few of the videos? Maybe you need a reminder. I'll try to find the one where they go house to house slaughtering whole families - men, women, CHILDREN, the elderly, and even pets. They went into people's homes and they shot everyone dead. They stopped cars driving on the road and shot everyone dead. They went into a music festival and shot everyone dead. So gtfoh with your "Israel's attacks" nonsense..
@bengreen171
@bengreen171 23 дня назад
When you have no legitimate argument against the protests in support of Palestinians, you have to resort to complaining about how they don't talk to you.
@victorcharlie5054
@victorcharlie5054 23 дня назад
If there is no legitimate argument then surely the media liaisons would have a wet dream at the chance too make the conservative media look like idiots don’t you think? Instead they whisper into each others ears not to talk lest they make themselves look the fools
@bengreen171
@bengreen171 23 дня назад
@@victorcharlie5054 firstly - the conservative media look like idiots all the time, and are exposed as such by liberal media all the time, so there's that. But do you think the protesters do nothing but 'whisper into each others ears'? You can find spokespeople from the protests giving media soundbites all across the internet - you maybe just don't look for them, given you're captured by conservative media. incidentally, well done for finding my comment, it's been hidden by this channel because this channel doesn't like being faced with valid critique.
@heftyind
@heftyind 23 дня назад
Here's a legitimate argument: Hamas started this war and are solely responsible for its continuation. They could release the hostages at any time and the conflict ends. They choose not to because they don't care about their own people and instead use it as propaganda to convince young ignorant westerners that genocide against Israelis is justified.
@dickfitswell3437
@dickfitswell3437 23 дня назад
That is a textbook definition to what an uneducated fascist would say.
@panzer00
@panzer00 22 дня назад
You are truly retarded.
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