This Is The Future Of Electric Car DC Fast Charging With ABB 

As a person like myself who has spent most of my career in business, both manufacturing and distribution, production, service, sales, and in my latter years executive management and ownership, I always enjoy interviews with CEOs and executives and especially listening to them talk about use cases and the logic that is driving their everyday Business decisions. I find these interviews just as fascinating as your regular out-of-spec car reviews. Thanks for doing them, and enjoy Italy 🇮🇹. Btw you should also seek out interviewing the CEO of Tritium (Australian); they are planning on building up to 30,000 DCFC a year here in the USA.

Great video! This was really fascinating and the CEO was super gracious in his responses. Awesome job, Jordan!

Impressive ABB interview with CEO Frank Mühlon. Commendably presented!

I used a Volta charger while at the mall for a couple of hours. Basically replenished what I used to get there. So handy.

We really need more of those solar awnings in the United States, they make sense from multiple perspectives, the only drawback I can think of is in hurricanes, tornadoes, or an area where you have to have very tall trucks driving all the time.

This is cool. My hubs works for ABB in the US. He builds industrial electric motors. Thanks for the video.

Good work Jordan. You deserve that halo!

Great video - ABB is in a unique position in covering the entire vertical. The energy market is about to go through a major transformation.

Well done! It was a fascinating presentation of Frank’s ABB’s R&D. One of the challenges we face in the US is EDUCATION. We need to learn the concepts and vocabulary related to the electrification of cars 🚙, homes and other devices.

Living in Texas it seems that we see more trouble with EA chargers in hot weather. I was encouraged to hear that ABB does high ambient testing but I wonder if their idea of "Hotter than they'll ever see" is realistic. Recently on a day where the temperature was officially 100F the air temperature at the charging stations was 108 and the sun was beating down on the shared transformer which was far too hot to touch. Of the 8 plugs on 4 chargers, 1 was working.

Excellent information Jordan. Very conversational, easy to follow, but informative. Love that you don't discount or speak down to the viewers. Well done!

I'm loving the daily videos. Thank you! You guys are awesome.

Fantastic video. Nicely done, Jordan.

Great video, Jordan. I wasn't aware that ABB's production was located in Italy. I agree with you, fastest is not always better. I sometimes have the same experience, I go to a shopping mall and I can choose to get AC (11kW) or D (100kW) for my Model 3 LR. The first is too slow, so I go for 100 kW. But then I have to shop or lunch in a hurry, otherwise the car will get to 100% before I get back. 👍

The Terra 360 sounds like a cool design. The complicating factor is that different car manufacturers have chosen to put the charge port in different locations so not all cars will be able to use all of the four charging spots.

I would love to know why so many DC high power chargers break so often and are down for so many days/weeks before getting fixed. Probably not what they ant to advertise but what I am really curious to know. What breaks within them? Cable cooling? Sensors? Parts within the high power delivery? Software? And is the delay in getting them working again mostly due to lack of spare parts as most parts are used to build new ones? Or is it the lack of engineers to fix them? Or even the lack of programmers to fix the software?

Just tried a 50 kW ABB in Wisconsin. Usingvtge EV connect app, just scan and go.Worked like a charm. Very slick.

One of the best CEO interviews I have seen. Is he an engineer by training? What he says about charger maintenance is so true.

Great job on this video/interview Jordan. Nice to learn more about ABB.

Great job Jordan. I look forward to more charging news! Keep info coming! Oh... enjoy the food!!!!

Nice halo Jordan 😇

Enjoyed Frank discussing the reasoning behind vertically integrated servicing contracts--absolutely seems like the way to go. Excellent interview Jordan!

That factory can output a HPC every 20 minutes. That’s quite impressive

Excellet job, Jordan! 👍‍‍👍‍‍

Such a good video Jordan! I'm really glad you asked about up time. I kind of wish that a service place was factored in to the price or required as a package... it makes them look bad to have chargers down so standing by their product seems like a win win

Good job Jordan great to hear charge stations are in full forward motion.

To your point I just did a trip with my Bolt EV which is a 50Kw (55Kw Max). We were hungry and walked to a restaurant and even with the Bolt's SLOW DC fast charge rate it was done before we were.

Thanks for the video!

Love it. This is great stuff! More!!!

Great comment about appropriate charging for the use case. Right now (too) many people only think about emulating the gas station experience with ICE vehicles.

Jordan is great. Thanks for this mate

Great video from central Canada and all our chargers are 50kw I can't wait till they are over run by 300kw.

Jordan, Great video and very informative. I work for Siemens and part of the portfolio that I am responsible for is the EV charging product offering. Last week Siemens invested (along with VAG) $450 million in the Electrify America charging service, $250 million over the last few months in US manufacturing and another $50 million in a share of a EV wireless charging company. We also manufacture the L2 chargers that Ford is private labeling for the Mach e and Lighting trucks. We are moving production of the DC fast chargers to the US so they will be produced in Europe and the US. We have already manufacture L2 chargers in the US and qualify for made in the USA government incentive. Siemens is a major player in the EV market and is spending large amounts of money to increase their share, check us out as well as ABB

Great information!

Thanks for the video, just brought some stock on ABB I think they are / will be huge in Europe along with Tesla superchargers.

Great video! Enjoy Italia e il caffe’!

Very informative

Great video! Also, what are you eating @4:20 ?

Are they using CCS connection for the megawatt testing??

I used to build ski lifts, and the new ones came with ABB electrical controls: contactors, PLC's, and VFD or rather SCR because it was DC powered. And It's my opinion they make the best engineered electrical control systems, always so user friendly and easy to use, they think of lots of extras to make it easy to interact with each of their systems. I've worked on ABB, Siemens, Allen Bradley, Schneider, Eaton, Honeywell, Emerson, Toshiba and Bosch PLC's and none come close to ABB. They haven't been lucky on wall Street, which is a shame. They stopped making grid products and there has been time to adjust for that, they are in my opinion undervalued, specifically because of their intangibles, and have been undervalued for many years, they make excellent stuff, if i were building high end electrical/control systems I would use their equipment no question. I hope people begin to realize the companies potential from this highlight on their charging infrastructure products, the curve of their sales revenue I believe will outpace sales of electric vehicles. It's too bad analysts don't interact with PLC's

Great video jordan. It would be interesting to know what is the difference inside the Tesla white cabinets that makes the more reliable other Than having more stalls at a location. I was happy to see you and Zach beat the Teslas in the race to Vegas . And I like drew too but it was nice to see a Tesla charger is not perfect like a lot of Tesla fans and drivers think. Every think can brake or slow down.

Your videos are very thoughtful and well-considered. Your “interrupted Lego shopping” example at the end brought up a point you maybe didn’t consider….. you were wanting to treat your charging session like your car was in a parking spot. Wouldn’t you agree that’s the equivalent of icing that charger since your car would be there longer than necessary?

Hubs works for ABB. Makes industrial electric motors. Glad to see the video.

Funny thing is I did not know ABB made chargers I live here in St Louis Missouri and I passed them all the time never knowing what they actually did learned something new Thanks 👍🏿

In Texas, the TCEQ awarded money to build expensive chargers at gas stations. What brand of chargers will be used?

Please 🙏 ask ABB to break into the market more for home based DC fast charging with an emphasis on freewires battery integrated technology. This way theoretically standard 200 amp mains panels could support adaptive grid utility demand/buffers. Keep making great content and I'll keep watching, thank you!

More people have to experience driving EVs for better charging stations and regulations. People don't like changes. EV manufacturers are ahead of charging service regulations. Thank you for the educational review.

Great video, and exciting to learn of things to come. But as Daniel Zimmerman said below, we need to educate the public which is crucial here in the U.S. We need this to advance the desire to buy EV's. Again I say you guys have way too much fun :-)

I've just completed another week of EV rental (in Sweden) with a bit over 200 miles from the airport to where we were staying and no charging available near our place. As your story with the Lego store, I only charged at a 50kW charger on the way from the airport but that was still too fast when we stopped to eat a bit over an hour away from the airport having ripped on the motorway there so I half way through the meal had to go and put the car on a level 2 charger instead as it was unusually charging by the minute. Only once did we actually charge faster than 50kW on a high powered charger, BUT at that time we really wanted to as we needed the car to be at 70% at drop off on return to avoid hefty fees. And we were really struggling to find high powered charging that wasn't shared or occupied or broken or we couldn't download the app to start the charger because our phones are registered in another country and not able to just swipe a card at places we wanted to stop... We need way more Level 2 chargers everywhere as well as heaps of more high powered DC fast chargers as more and more people buy EVs!

At this point reliability and ease of repair should be #1 on the list. Right now there are 2 close to me that are down for over a week (one was recently down for several months), and the EA station near here has 2 out of 8 working, one cuts off every 5-10 minutes, and they aren’t at full speed. It’s been this way at that station for a year now.

very nice away day

Nice video, but I would have liked to hear the CEO speak on ABB's vision and development on the commercial large fleet vehicle side like busses, garbage trucks, and semi-trucks . Solutions there will translate into a better consumer infrastructure.

Anything on on site storage from ABB or is it direct from grid?

You're right about lower recharging speeds being the best option for some scenarios. I recharge our ZE50 at 22 kW, 3-phase, for about 95% of the time at my local public chargers, even though 50 kW is available there. For other occasions, I've used 7 kW, single phase AC, when faster dispensers have not been available. I have the time (and can do other things) to give the battery an easier life, and also to spend less money on the electricity. Interestingly, I see Tesla cars regularly at the same 3-phase dispensers, even though a Tesla can only recharge at up to 11 kW on them; half the speed of our Zoe. That slow AC recharging speed is something which Tesla really need to address for cars which are sold on this side of the Pond, where we use about 220-240 Volts, single phase, and roughly 415 V 3-phase supplies, instead of your circa 115 V single phase, and 230 V 2-phase supplies.

Great story! Seems like their units are used by various networks (?). Who is responsible for the software development that deals with user interface and payment? Is that ABB or would it be, say Ionity? Thanks!

Looks like some great ideas being developed. I get your enthusiasm about Terra 360, however load sharing is not a positive thing and not really a good way ahead IMO.

Very interesting. They way to keep chargers maintained: A. They have to be profitable. B. They need to be at "gas station" type places with employees. They model of chargers scattered randomly around and tucked into parking lots was fine to start, but as the number of EVs swell into the millions, I don't see how it can continue to work. Seems to me the best model is just to install DC fast chargers at current gas stations.

The idea of different speed chargers for different destinations begs an interesting question - what if it were possible to intentionally throttle your car's own charging speed via a phone app. I can see some use cases for this - if you can delay the completion of charging until you finish your shopping/entertainment, you can avoid needing to move your car or idle fees. It would, of course, have some interesting ethical issues, but would seem difficult to put a stop to.

2:50 that’s what I start to dislike = getting potentially only 90kW when I count on 150kW (my Audi e-tron). Not mentioning Taycan, e-tron GT and other 200+ kW charging speed capable EVs.

Informative. Thank you. I believe you mentioned, Jordan, plugging in at a slow DC charger or a level 2 charger when you go in to do some shopping or perhaps to see a movie at a theater. You seem to suggest that this is kind of thing may be a significant enough use case for such chargers to be installed and maintained. I understand this, if the charging is free in these kinds of cases and the chargers and the electricity they convey are underwritten by a city or a group of retail shops. But if there's a reasonable dollar cost applied, wouldn't charging at such facilities likely be much less advantageous compared to charging at home, where the electricity cost to the user is going to be much less expensive? Long-winded way of saying that I get the business case for real DC fast charging for along the highway, and I get the business case for slow DC charging and level 2 charging at hotels, campgrounds, and other road-tripping support situations. I'm wondering, though, about the viability of slow DC chargers and level 2 chargers at which you pay for the electricity. Your thoughts? Perhaps some sort of monte carlo analysis with economic weights applied might be useful here, especially if there is anonymized data available from the service providers.

Do they provide business models of ev chargers

Are they actually going to fix their unit design so it doesn’t fail and cause issues like on E.A.?!

These will be connected to nearby solar or solar agrivoltaic farms along with battery storage in the near future.

Love Out of Spec Reviews, as a new EV6 owner, I plan on using my EV in many car shows and would love to have a chance to meet everyone behind the scenes considering I live in the Colorado/Rocky Mtn Region. Is there an e-mail that I can send to your team for an official request? Love your shows and since your team has truly influenced my love for this new industry and changing “the way of the future,” I’d be honored to support your channel. I’d LOVE THAT❣️LOL

Interestingly your musings about the best speed of charging really depends on how long you are at a location. If you are on a road trip, a HPC charger with 350 kW is sweet - even though my first charging sessions were too short to allow to scoff down a burger. When going to the town centre to the cinema or shopping then the 11 kW AC charging really is a great option. And we see ever more of these types of charging locations pop up. For example a multistory parking lot in the town I live in has converted a whole level to AC charging stations, that's more than 40 chargers on that level... But there also is considerable improvements currently made by people that want to use the synergy of offering charging and lure you into their locations. McDonalds has recently ramped up their efforts and I already know of 4 out of 5 McDonalds locations in my vicinity (either home or workplace) that offer two 300 kW chargers... They may be load shared but even with that 150 kW I'd be hard pressed to scoff down a burger and some fries in the time my car charges.

Great video Jordan. It is nice to hear about innovation in charging. Since the US infrastructure is so lacking besides Tesla, glad to see better technology in the works. The quad 360 would do well in the US.

Finally after all these years, someone notices that ABB exists in the EV space.

those volvo cabover semi trucks look really nice compared to conventional trucks.

In the Rivne region, the most powerful city districts in Ukraine have 360 ​​kW next to 120 of Ukrainian production

Hyundai Group's E-GMP platform can do 350kW.

Grest idea, , I would like to see a Tesla Charging station for charing lower amp, so hopefully the costs is a lot lower and I just need about 50 miles charge. Understand the scare resources is parkng spaces.

Even Level 1 can play a role. If every parking slot at company or public parking garage or parking lot had a 110 v AC outlet it would allow a significant recovery of range. Tesla Model 3 and Model Y can charge at 2 to 3 miles per hour at Level 1. A Chevy Bolt EV at 4 miles per hour. So in an 8 hour day work day an EV would recoup 16 to 32 miles. With the average one-way commute in the use 20.5 miles, this would Level 1 charge would significantly or completely cover this distance. They could charge their vehicle overnight at home and be ready for the next morning's trip.

Never mind the tech, what are you eating there?

Despite all the testing it seems non tesla chargers are only 75% operational at any time whereas tesla is 99% operational. I do not know why this is but likely enough its the myriad of operators each of whom has some unique protocol to activate the flow of electrons to the battery of the charging vehicle.

A unit that can charge 2 cars at the same time is neat.

I'm going to add something to this. A few points. One , as much as I want the EV market to take off , I have a lot of stock in Rivian. The American market does not see charging the same way the European market might , when you can fuel up a car or truck in a minute and a half and take off for another 300 to 400 miles. That makes a huge difference in the kind of time Americans are willing to sit at a charge station. If you can gain 300 miles of charge in 5 minutes. Then I would say the American market would take way off fast. However , waiting 30 minutes to a hour or more , for even 40 percent is not going to cut it. We can not even get people to stay at the gas pumps and tend to the gas nozzle for a minute or so , without walking off while its pumping cause time to Americans is money. Nobody has enough time for anyone except themselves. Two , One aspect that has not been a problem yet , but it will be soon , when crack heads figure out that those charging stations are loaded with copper in those lines that can be easily sold for quick cash, a Sawzall or a pair of bolt cutters and about 5 minutes and you can throw thirty of those lines in the back of your busted up ass truck and haul ass , and no ones going to catch you at 3 AM. Literally a pair of crack heads could hit about 4 or 5 stations in a 25 miles area and at the rate they get repaired , no one for weeks with an EV would be able to use those stations or even know if they are fully operational.

Cool video, but way too many commercials.

ABB Chargers without the rectangle holes in them are the the best chargers here in europe. I think EA doesn't maintain them well.

I love electric vehicles! Got an electric skateboard, an electric bicycle and about 150 electric radio controlled toys but to say that they are environmentally friendly is extremely misleading.

How do you expand in the US? BP, Circle K decide to get off their asses and copy what they are doing in other countries. They have combo gas/electric charging stations with 8+ chargers.

I think you mean “exposition,” cutie

This points out one of the major problems with electric cars. With a gas car, stop at any station in the world and fill up with the exact same pump. With electric, search frantically for a plug that fits somewhere in podunc city anywhere. The world is years off, if ever, from standardizing an interface that will fit all cars. Until that's done, electric will never work, not that it's an actual solution to anything anyhow.

What is fascinating about this.You are spending tones if coal to produce electrical energy.Old technology if you are observing influence on ecology

Only problem with dedicated fast charging stations is that they sell food. You are going to get fat if you use them too often!

So I think Tesla has the best concept that is high voltage, fast DC charging infrastructure that is plug and go. The future should be as we develop better batteries, is wireless charging, that would truly be a game changer. I’m not sure about this ABB or whatever they’re doing here, but I don’t think you can be all things to all people because there’s too many different charging standards but wireless charging would solve the entire problem, so no more need for different plugs etc., so until that happens, I think the Tesla concept is the best that I’ve seen so far, as you simply drive up and plug in your car, go to sleep, get a coffee come back in 10 to 15 minutes or so or however long you going to be there, unplug and go. So the other thing one of the commenters mentioned was education and I absolutely agree it is the key to further facilitating EV adoption, but that won't happen if we don't have a variety of quality affordable EV’s that’s readily available for purchase, because Ford has been plague by recalls of its Mustang Mach E and GM is making some very expensive vehicles that most households can't afford, like the Cadillac Lyric and the Hummer SUV, therefore, having a variety of really good affordable EV models is going to be necessary if we truly are interested in wide acceptance of EV’s over gasoline powered cars. So I certainly agree that education is sorely lacking at least in the states, where the adoption of EV’s has been painfully slow! Cheers!

Dosnt need to be dc charing when we have 11 kW ac charing.

the biggest problems with owning an EV is finding chargers that are easy to use...why can`t they be as simple as gas pump? plug in , blip your dept/creditcard , select start and off you go. now you have to dowload an app , setup an account and then confirm your email etc takes 10-15 minuts or so before you can start charging....and this is if your lucky...some chargers require you to have a special card to use....it`s a mess and it scares people away from converting to an EV.

ABB sold all it's power grid etc business to Hitachi. That is such an odd interview. They sold everything but the robotics and software business. There is a reason he keeps mentioning "data" etc. That is all their business now.

In Australia its no doubt the hot sun. Trintiums seem to be worst offenders with many being down for weeks. The UV destroys the control panels. It is extremely easy to accurately check down time as its all there in Plugshare. The clever people though have figured out work arounds using the Tesla aps. I do feel ashamed though that you guys intend investing millions in hundreds of these devices. Another brand know as Kempower however might save Australia as several trials are underway. We have slmost zero problems with the Tesla network.

I think you take on this is good but you are not taking into consideration the stingy nature of americans. We are seeing this...everyone is wanting to charge to the max even though they don't need it and causing crowding at charging stations. This is just american greed and it is doing nothing but getting worse.

Still wearing masks LOLOLOLOL

You are WRONG about why people are reluctant to purchase an EV in the states. It IS NOT because of few charging stations. One is they know they are being lied to about the product. Two is the initial cost of the vehicle. Why pay more and get less? Three is too short of range. Four is too long to charge.

Do EV owners know that when the country goes green, that EV cars may not be able to charge up because homes and hospitals will be of the highest priority for getting electricity. Hold on, where are Swedish EV's made. I heard China.

Masks -> nutters.