This Makes NO Sense...Let Me Explain - Star Wars Jedi Survivor 

How do you see it? Force illusion? Force regrow limb? Using the force to move his saber?

1) This takes place in an illusion/altered perception. 2) He didn't regrow an arm it is just representing how he is using the force to hold the saber essentially. He uses the force as if he has that arm a couple other times as well but we just see the saber floating. Not really a new power, just a visual representation of him using the force to fight with one of his sabers + possibly a force illusion.

Just noticed that at 14:53 of this video as Bode says “Not so scary now” you can see that Dagan’s “new” arm is no longer there anymore, so it was definitely just part of an illusion.

I feel like it was part of the hallucinations cal was having in the moment. He saw a right arm on dagan but it wasn’t really there

In your first duel with Dagan, it is clearly seen he's using his right-handed lightsaber as if he's got an arm there. What you're seeing in the final duel is a Force Illusion. I think it's just a creative means to show that he's some kind of extreme force user. Odd that you missed this...

Cal very clearly points out that all of the insane force powers that he was using were simple hallucinations when you defeat him. So even though it looked like he flipped gravity and you were fighting on the ceiling, you see the moment you defeat him how you're suddenly back on the floor again and that's because Dagan was making you believe all those things were happening. Cal turned this around on him to defeat him by making himself appear as Santari to throw him off and get the final blow. None of it was real it wasn't some new special abilty, just basic force mind powers like we've always seen, played up for the sake of gameplay which I don't mind from the stand point of a video game but narratively is always very frustrating. It's like genjutsu in Naruto, when Itachi makes you think you killed him 5 times in a row what's the point in even watching the fight anymore.

He’s been using his phantom limb since the start, we just could see it because of the force induced hallucinations

i didn’t really view it as him growing a new arm. i thought it was more just a visual representation of what he’s doing when he’s controlling the saber with the force. maybe it even has to do with that hallucination thing cal mentions after the fight. Cal was so terrified by how strong Dagan was, he hallucinated another arm there to mentally progress that he’s being whooped by a dude with one arm

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

I think its part of the halucination that he cast over Cal. Makes sense since Bode disappears exactly when he does that so it's probably a fake arm, especially when he can use a lightsaber so well like he has 2 arms

In the first fight with Dagan I noticed his “right” saver was behaving as if it were being held by a hand that wasn’t there. Not just floating around on its own, but moving as if held by a phantom limb. In the second fight, here, I reckon it’s just being shown as a visualisation as it’s part of the illusion he creates when he flips things around. I definitely don’t think he just grew a new physical arm lmao. Definitely got me wanting to read into his info from the in-game databank to see if it’s mentioned there.

The high republic has a huge focus on jedi and their specific force powers. For example, there is a jedi named Avar Kriss that has a sort of battle meditation ability that links jedi within a certain range and empowers their force abilities. Another example is a character named Vernestra Rowh, who is appearing in the acolyte, that has an affinity for finding hyperspace paths that lead to new discoveries. Her padawan, Imry, is incredibly strong at reading and influencing people's emotions. The list goes on and on, but long story short, the jedi in the high republic are built different with the force.

One thing I notice is that you're saying that he's "growing an arm", but what I believe is happening is that he's just using the force to hold his saber, and what we see is just the game showing us so we aren't wondering why all of a sudden he's got a floating lightsaber, I don't believe it's something that Cal would necessarily see on his end

I think it’s just a visual representation of how Dagan is just used to using the force through his right arm so much, he uses the force as a phantom limb.

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I'd argue it is a very draining ability to pull, which could be why Dagan did not use it until he was struggling with Cal. That can help justify the fact that people like Luke and Vader did not use the Force that way to replace their missing limbs

its makes total sense, hes been using both lightsabers the entire time, you just couldnt see his arm because its using the force, but when youre fighting him in that fight cal is clsoer to the force than ever and he can see it, its pretty simple

When I fought him, I assumed it was just the visual representation of how Dagan was using the force to hold his second saber, the same way we can see the shockwaves in the air every time he uses the force during the "hallucination" sequence. While I don't think his arm was a special force ability, I think it would be super cool if there was a Jedi who could actually SEE the force, like in the final stage of that boss fight. It would probably have to be as rare as pyschometry if it were to be a thing, though.

The way I saw it when this happened was that it took a great deal of effort and focus on Dagan’s part. I wouldn’t necessarily say it undermines Anakin, Luke, Maul, or anyone else’s missing limb because it’s very possible that the “manifestation” of said limb is simply not sustainable and a very taxing ability

I think it’s Dagan being so angry that his sheer will power allows him to conjure up a limb via the force, but it definitely does bring the question why couldn’t the Chosen One use this ability.

New force abilities are always cool, so I don’t see a problem. Maybe it’s a lost ability to time.

As a dev (not on the Fallen Order team), this is almost definitely a gameplay decision, not a storytelling one. Making the arm exist visually makes it immediately obvious what's happening in the cutscenes and makes the animation easier to track in combat, rather than paying attention to a small object like the lightsaber moving around. It also makes it clearer which enemies are copies. Story wise though, you can credit it to Cal's post-cognitive abilities. He sees the echo of what was there.

I don't see it as a new hand because it's blue which means it's Force so to me it's a normal lines of keys using the force to control that lightsaber and he's using it as though his hand is still there like if his hand were to move in any direction that's the look and the feel of the direction it would go but his hand is still missing he just perceives it still there it's a very interesting way of looking at it but that's the way I thought about it

I mean I kinda get your point, but at the same time, at the end of the fight, Cal did mention that he formed some sort of “force hallucination out of fear.” So I do think that’s why we see the arm. We also see that he grabs Bode in this fight and he only grabs him with the arm that didn’t get cut off. Also in the previous fight with Dagan, we see that, sometimes, he uses the force to hold the other part of his lightsaber where his other hand would be, but we didn’t see the force arm. So maybe he’s just levitating his other lightsaber with the force and we only saw the force arm in the final fight because he was having that “force hallucination.” Idk that’s just my take, I questioned it a little bit when I went through it too, but after when I actually thought about it, it kinda made more sense to me. I hope you read this Theory and if you do, please let me know what you think. MTFBWY

He’s from a different time. It’s like how plagueis learned how to use the force to create life. He learned his powers that maybe only he knows.

i think its just to give us a visualization of how proficient he is with the force, he's wielding saber with the force so well thats its almost like he never lost his arm.

The first thing I said when I saw this was "Why the hell can't Vader do that?" 😂

Dagon is a High Republic Jedi, so he is probably so powerful, that he could create a somewhat limb. Or this was just an illusion. I think the second one is the best answer.

It makes no sense, but I don't care because it's actually cool. It's not dumb like seeing ghost qui gon in kenobi or "somehow Palpatine returned." Also, he is a high republic jedi, so maybe he just learned that power hundreds of years ago and it was forgotten by the time of the prequels/OG trilogy

Personally I thought this was a case of Force illusion , Darth Zannah Style. Dagan stares at Cal really deeply for a sec before the limb appears. What solidified my belief was the further appearence of Shadow clones and gravity reversal, that disapears the moment Cal kills Dagan (fyi Cal used the Illusion himself to beat Dagan).

The concept of using the Force to create a limb that you lost is very interesting and it’s something that I would very much like to see expanded upon in Star Wars lore.

I took this as just part of the illusions they started seeing. Like he was just using the force to swing that saber but cal started hallucinating the arm the same way Dagan hallucinated Santari

Wasnt the fight from that point on just a hallucination? I’m pretty sure Cal says that after the fight to Bode

But if u remember in the classic 2d clone wars series anakin did something similar to this he sort of uses the force through his severed arm. The locals Anakin and Obi wan were helping told of a prophecy of a man who used the "col cazzete" meaning GHOST HAND this prophecy also gave Anakin a glimps of his turn to the dark side and becoming darth vader. He didnt outright grow his arm through the force but he could still wield the force through amputated limb= GHOST HAND the same a dagan

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The game made it clear on multiple occasions that even though it's 3rd person playstyle, you are seeing things from Cal's perspective. Dagan was already using his sabers and the Force in a way that looked as if he still had both limbs. To me this felt like Cal was now able to see how Dagan was using the Force like his lost limb

Wish they kept Dagan alive I hate how they introduce these new and interesting characters just to kill them off same with Cordova

To me it seemed obvious that it's just a visual representation of the force being used in place of an arm

The arm might just visible for gameplay reasons. Or maybe it's like a Force Ghost arm that he can control like a regular one, which when you think about it, actually makes a lot of sense; if you can manifest an entire ethereal body through the Force, why not just a single limb? It's the same with Dagan's Force illusions later in the fight. We already know the Force can create false experiences that are perceived as real, like when Luke fought Vader in the dark side cave on Dagobah. Why shouldn't a powerful enough Force wielder be able to create a similar illusion? These aren't like the Disney ST, where the Force was basically turned into a Marvel superpower. Everything Dagan does is something we've seen before in one form or another.

I never really assumed he grew an arm with the force. Cal mentioned it was some kind of force illusion or hallucination. Which would make sense. Cal also got “struck” by a lightsaber but 5 minutes later was fine. I think it was all part of the illusion.

It’s a force hallucination, there is no arm there, he holds his saber with the force

I like what you said about the comparison with psychometry. Only some force users have certain special powers.

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Isn't this similar to the power Luke used in *vomit* The Last Jedi?

I think it was Cal being able to see his "ghost" limb which I think Dagan uses to control his lightsaber at a distance. In that fight we also see Cal seeing things that aren't really there like the Dagan clones. Being able to see his "ghost arm" would be an advantage for Cal, after all he used his own tricks against him.

I see this as Cal becoming more accustomed to using dark side force abilities. Throughout the story, we see Cal become more untethered to where he stands in the universe and with the force. Now that he is walking a knife's edge with the light and dark side of the force. He is able to physically see these abilities, especially when entering Dagan's illusion. The High Republic jedi do have a "stronger" connection in the force and can manifest different abilities than the current era Jedi. Nonetheless, I do see this more as Cal becoming more comfortable with the dark side than Dagan using some new ability we haven't seen before.

I took it as a representation of how he was wielding the other saber. They didn’t show it at first, but artfully revealed it. Plus, it looks like it’s glowing and has a sleeve.

“The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural -Palpatine” It’s possible that this force limb could be a new dark side force ability that Dagan discovered which has never been used before, after all there is a first time for everything right? It’s even possible that this could be an ancient ability used by the Sith of Old that is long forgotten, that’s why modern Sith like Palpatene and Vader don’t use it.

All I could think of during this scene was Luke in rise of Skywalker when he held the lightsaber

We’ve seen force users wield sabers telekinetically pretty regularly. Darth Traya didn’t even hold her sabers, she just straight up fought you with floating sabers. Here Dagan does something similar, just on a smaller scale. He’s not growing an arm. He’s puppeteering his saber with the force. What we see is a visualization of it and nothing more. He doesn’t “grow” a force arm His fights throughout the game back that up too. You can see him wielding it as if he had 2 hands without seeing the visualization of it

I like the idea that its a lost force ability. Maybe its some knowledge the high republic lost, or maybe something Dagan discovered on tanalorr and didn't share it before he was betrayed.

Honestly I believe it’s a bug lol. I have screenshots and recordings from my fight with him and he didn’t not have a second arm. My thought was he was just using the force to control the other lightsaber. It’s likely the game has him coded for 2 arms to make the choreography look right but his arm is not supposed to be visible.

I feel that the Jedi of the High Republic could’ve had a deeper/better connection and/or understanding of the force than the Jedi now. Also, like you said I think it’s one of those special abilities that not every Jedi or Sith can do

Sometimes the mysteries of the force should not be answered. It allows the mysticism to remain.

It seemed like he mimicked the limb, like an exceptionally complicated use of telekinesis.

Dagan is Umbaran I think so not just a normal human. Different races in Star Wars have different abilities not just physical but with the force. Some can see in the whole visual spectrum, some can regrow limbs, some have the ability to resist mind probes etc. Jedi like Naomi Sunrider could (I think) conjure phantom fleets with the force so why not create a phantom arm with the force. Dagan seemed particularly skilled at creating illusions using the force, he multiplied himself so Cal faced 3 of him at one point and the phantom arm was just another illusion Dagan used. Also like the illusion that Cal was on the ceiling when Cal was always on the ground

Hmm... for me on that scene the arm was completly invisible. It look like he was just really controlling it with The Force, although the position would ressemble it was being controled by an invisible arm. Unless that takes place on a different scenario. Is that on the Lucrehulk in the swamp? Because that's where I fhought him, but all by myself, without Bode aid (he shows up just in the end of the fight)

I don't know that much about the High Republic era Jedi but from what I've heard online the Jedi of that time were more attuned to The Force and were more willing and open to experimentation and pushing what it meant to be a light-side user. Therefore, they had much more power than the Jedi of the time whom we all have known about for the last 46 years. Also from what I've heard online the High Republic era Jedi were not an official part of the Republic and they were more like the superheroes of The DC and Marvel comics who are always willing to help people that can't fight for them selfs.

I have few though on this: 1. I like to think that this is a temporary thing. 2. It can't last for ever. 3. It can only be done on a single limb, And 4. Maybe it's a dark side thing. And to why Sidious didn't tell vader, well it would it easyer for him to over power him and become the emperor/ the master of the sith, himself. Sidious did have plans to live forever after all.

Like everyone is saying, its a force illusion from Dagan making it look like he regained his arm, when in reality it is a visual representation of dagan using the force where his missing arm would have been to wield one part of his lightsaber. Still, these force illusions are very unique and powerful, with the clone Dagans and all the force slams and shockwaves that probably in real life are disrupting the force within Cals Mind, and giving him lethal brain damage. So in a way it is still a new force ability, powerful in the mental world, but not as OP in the physical world. It seems Dagan can manipulate the mental state of people through the force, killing them by inducing visual illusions that amplify force abilities, destroying both the mind and body.

I feel like is a A Phantom Limb Force Construct. In medicine we have something called a Phantom Limb. The phantom limb syndrome has a neurophysiological character, in which the amputated part dismembers from the body, but not from the brain, which causes symptoms associated with pain called phantom. And if we applied this concept to the Force. His arm was removed from his body, but it is still connected with his brain, with his mind, with his awareness of the Force.. So he is able to reconstruct his member in a phantom way. It is not the same thing as rebuilding a liver or a heart because the awareness of his arm is different.

Maybe this was like a high republic force power lost to time?! While I think it is OVERLY convenient it could be cool to see the force used in unique ways that may have been forgotten by newer force users since nobody has used it in AGES? Just my theory anyway ! I heard you touch on this as I write this up lol. But maybe yoda deemed it unnecessary to learn or to teach as yoda is about not holding onto the past and trying to only focus on what has already been lost isn’t the Jedi way?

If I had to steel man the case for this being ok, I would say the reason why Ani and Maul didnt just grow limbs at the time was, they never practiced it. Why would they? But if you lost a limb perhaps you would dedicate a decent amount of time to trying to learn that. So then it would be possible to do for a time.

The reason Anakin couldn’t do it is most likely he wouldn’t know about that and even if the Jedi knew or had books or holocrons about that, Anakin wouldn’t have access to that type of information only Yoda would have access to something like that, Palpatine wouldn’t know about it because Dagan wasn’t a Sith in his proper time so there wouldn’t be any sith holocrons discussing the ability itself

i feel this is not a "he used force regrow limb" but rather a visualization of how effortlessly he can use the force to wield his saber and that it is just as good as if he had his arm. the game could have easily just shown him flinging around the light saber and i dont think many folks would mind, but this added visualization adds to the effect. its why they didnt show an epic scene of his arm growing in or manifesting, instead they show him casually raising his second saber in an attempt to over power cal. Dagan Gera has been shown as extremely proficient in the force and saber combat and i think this was just the way the game shows that. the difference in media also can effect it. games need to be made in a way that balances gameplay and story, and i think this did that superbly. giving him an arm representation adds another stance the enemy can now use but also give the player a visual que for when they need to parry (which is also extremely important). i hope my take on this makes sense

He's just holding the saber with the force.... its a representation. Not literally a new hand. You're seeing him fight with the saber. It's not regrowth. It's just a meta representation. Cal can see the past. He has a connection with dagen who could see him from the future. Thay have a link. It's not real just emotional or meta. It's just to show that.

I'd say instead of a literal force arm. You can still pick up and use objects with force without the use of limbs. Like if there was no physical manifestation of a force arm and was still using a weapon without one, it would have made a lot more sense and maybe been way more cooler. You know an invisible hand sort of thing. Oh wait...so yeah an illusion

Nah in the second duel in the lucrehulk you can see him wielding his saber with two hands, without the force hand. He foregoes getting a mechanical hand cause he’d rather just use the force as a hand. When there are no force illusions, you can see him doing this without seeing the hand. When the illusions are going, you can see his hand the way he does. He doesn’t “grow” an arm. It’s a visualization of him telekinetically wielding his saber

Didn’t jek-14 do somthing like this, it’s been along time and I honestly just remember what his model looks like and that he’s not cannon, but maybe this is what they where going for, also I’m pretty sure there is a comic that shows what Vader would have done if he turned back to the light on mustafar and he has the same force limbs

Gonna post into the comment-sea here, but the force-arm IMMEDIATELY reminded me of Jek-14 from Lego Star Wars: The Yoda Chronicles. The Sith made a force-sensitive Clone, and he also had a transparent blue Force-arm. There's no way this is unintentional, that's really cool

The Jedi from the high Republic are stronger then Jedis like Obiwan. They had better training in the force and weapons it makes sense that a Jedi master from the high republik can make a force ghost arm during a fight and not Quigon or Anikan they just learned one blade lightsaber and force pull/push the other abilitys they learned them self

It’s a force illusion, he also didn’t ACTUALLY duplicate himself and Cal didn’t really transform into a woman for a second, it was an illusion as explained later in the game if you talk to Bode about it on Kobah.

For me it had to be a visual interpretation of him using his other saber with the force, like how it floats around by it self in earlier boss fights with Dagan. The arm isn’t really ‘growing back’ it’s more just explaining it to the audience.

ye, as people say its Force Halucination, your sight perceptually changes throughout the fight, he also halucinates Bode and you stop seing him(alter he mentiones that he had his own visions), arm is also part of this "mind trick+++"

Theory Have you ever heard of ghost pain that amputee veterans experience? Why could he not use the ghost pain of his amputated arm through the force to hold a lightsaber? Dude C’mon This whole stance of yours Is lame

I like to think that my OP force sensitive characters in SWTOR were far more powerful than the Jedi and Sith of the movie eras. Like over the thousands of years the power within each generation has been slowly diminished.

I don't think he grew anything. I think the developers just showed his arm as away to show how he's using the force as a replacement for that said hand, without actually regrowing any limbs

0:23, why in the great heavens would he use the force to create a new arm - just to add his additional lightsaber, in the already existing sword lock. He could have cut Cal Kestis in half instead!

There’s a big difference between Dagan and others like Vader and maul and that’s that Dagan arm is gone but there is no wound and with maul and Vader they have exposed wounds we see when Dagan comes out the tank that there is just a nub where his arm should be just wanted to point that oit

This is purely for clicks bro, the game makes it clear that it’s all a hallucination.

The arm was not actually there, throughout the fights we see Dagan use force push with that side and swinging around a second lightsaber as if there was an arm there. I believe it was just a representation of him using the force as if he still had an arm on his right side.

Thought the arm was kind of weird but I enjoyed the streams and I had school so I only watched like the first hour being in Toronto the time is different but it was a lot of fun and continue the great work brother May the 4th be with you

I think it’s more him using the force to move his saber and wield it as if he has his arm and I think the showed it to show the player that he was gonna be back to “full power” I don’t think he actually has a new limb.

Im so hype theyve really dug into the high republic. The stories from the High Republic are great compared to everything Disneys done outside of Filoni

To me it happened while using his eyes and so that it was a force illusion. And it has been well documented that different force users have different innate abilities.

It looked more like a force hallucination by dagan to throw cal off guard, i mean at some point they were fighting on the ceiling its more like a force fever dream

my theory ist that ist like a representation to make the game make easier for the disigners, you can say tan realy te sword ys flaying in the air in the place that before is hand was or something like this

I have a head canon that maybe this technique was only practiced by the high republic jedi. Like the teaching has been lost forever.

The high Republic is suppose to be a golden era of the jedi. So they are more powerful in this in this era from what i have been told.

I think a good way of looking at it is that he was likely just using the force to move the lightsaber around, and during that illusion, it showed what he was doing with the force, using it like a limb when in reality it’s was just the force, not to mention he was bathing in the bacta for over 300 years, meaning his limb wasn’t aching or in pain like it would for Anakin after he lost his limbs. Once he began to get used to not having a limb after his first fight with Cal, I assume he simply began using some kind of training he was given back in the Old Republic Days to use the force as a replacement limb. That is how I see this situation anyway…

It was definitely just part of the hallucination. That’s why his body doesn’t have the arm after Cal kills him

It was force illusion it wasn’t really there cal was just seeing it. In the prior fight against Degan he was duel willing with the force

its clearly not him growing a limb, but just using a force limb.... like whatre you yapping about blud

It kinda makes scene given he from the old or high republic era and force ability in that time where pretty crazy.

It kinda reminds me of God of War Ragnarok when Heimdall grew back his arm using bifrost magic.

On the one hand .... On the second hand .... What's this the new Pun theory channel 😁 it's all armless fun right.

I just assumed that since he was well trained with using the force to telekinetically control his lightsaber he was just hovering the lightsaber as if he had an arm in place. Another alternative is that this fight has 'Illusion' elements towards the end and this is just another one of these illusions. OR you can combine both of these theories that Dagan has been using the force as his second arm the entire time (Not literally I mean as a 'phantom limb' situation where people try to use their limbs as if they still have them and feel them.) and only in this fight does Cal see it and is able to see Dagan's lightsaber technique how Dagan sees it and perhaps that is how he overcomes him in this fight? I just think if he had the ability to regrow his limbs he would have done that from the very start instead of waiting till the end of the fight.

What about that girl who can teleport and create weapons out of thin air

The Dark Side of The Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

I feel like this was just visual representation of how it feels for him to use the force for his saber