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I what he was trying to do so he did that so the boy could win and he will lose if u lose u d!e so thats why he did that and I think he liked the boy so thats why he saved him
@@Mizzie- Don't forget Hyuna and Luka, pretty sure Luka has a thing for her but yk what happened to he did to her brother... Even the bi4bi's are doomed
I'm sorry if this is just too pedantic, but Ivan wasn't necessarily "trying to kill him", because as one of the comments said, Till didn't even have any choking marks. So Ivan was literally just pretending so that the aliens would kill him instead. And then he only let go once he knew it was too late for him :')
@@shy2infinity luka didnt have any either when mizi choked him, you can see ivans grip on tills neck and that till was in pain but it was a safechoke not the one that can kill you
@@raven5133but also,Lukas choking didn’t last half as long as till did,and also till wasn’t struggling or anything,if you look at vivis other work you’ll notice how’s she’s very keen on making the one being choked look like they’re going through hell so idrk anymore
@@shooshiMooshi NOOOOOO ITS NOT A COPE HIS HEAD DIDNT BLOW UP THE ALIENS SEE THAT WEIRDO AS A TROPHY THEY WOULDN'T JUST KILL HIM LIKE THAT WE HAVE HOPE
Sadly, that scene of the alien petting Till was implied that he suffered through SA by the alien, Due to till's disheveled clothes and the clotheless alien (despite it being clothed in the previous scenes)
@ShooshiMooshi Ivan's character is severely misunderstood. Ivan's a complicated man. And a complex character. Ivan's is NOT this evil violent sadistic monster everyone makes him out to be. Quite the opposite actually. Ivan is just flawed and very emotional f -ed up from the abuse and experimentation he went through as a child. I think even in adult hood Ivan is still being abused and is having something even worse done to him by the aliens. We just haven't seen the full extent of the abuse Ivan suffered. Ivan's still has his humanity. It's clear as day, that Ivan feels compassion and deep love towards Till. Ivan just dosen't how to show those feelings to Till properly. So yes Ivan kinda has a twisted and weird way of showing his love for Till. But it's obvious to me Ivan is alot more gentle and caring than people realize. Ivan's devotion and love for Till, and his actions show that kindness and empathy. It's love that ultimately shows this side to Ivan that was always there. I think Ivan was forced to act stoic and to obey every rule and command from his masters . When in reality, Ivans hurting alot. Underneath that mask, is someone who is incredibly damaged.
personally i don't think the kiss was meant to be enjoyed by either party. we've seen in the past that ivan has this contorted way of showing his feelings for till whenever till's looking. he knows his feelings are not reciprocated. i think he kissed till in order for till to not grieve him after he's dead, because it's much easier to write him off as a weirdo that died trying to force himself/attack him that way. ofc, his sacrifice is an act of love, but i don't necessarily think the kiss was for selfish reasons such as wanting to kiss the person you fell in love with. then again i can be completely wrong 😭
Although, I think Ivan most likely kissed Till to finally release his pent up feelings for him and so he won’t die of regrets, I like this interpretation better. In Alien Stage, the humans are definitely mistreated and SAed by the aliens since the aliens see them as pets and entertainment. Ivan knows what shit Till had to go through, especially during red club scene, and wouldn’t want to do the things what those aliens did to Till. He probably kissed so Till would hate him. Like, Ivan was always so gentle with him even when “choking” him. His hands were simply wrapped around his neck, seeing how there was zero marks on it and Till wasn’t unconscious when Ivan let go. He probably knew Till has a trauma involved with his neck (needles injected into it, collar, wire thing connected to, hand grabs onto it, etc) which is why he didn’t literally choke him. But that’s also another reason why he chose his neck so Till would hate him even more. Like, no way would the same man that gently place his hands around his neck would force his lips onto Till’s knowing full well he doesn’t return his feelings. He also criticizes Sua in a community post for wanting to kill herself and forever be engraved into Mizi’s memory so she can be with her forever. I assume this is another factor into how Ivan feels for Till. Ivan, despite being a weirdo in the past, would never want to cause any pain or trauma to Till no matter what. Now I believe all the hurtful things Ivan done to Till was purely done out of love rather than for his own selfishness.
@@alilith3476I doubt it. Ivan sacrificed himself believing that his death won’t impact Till that much. I don’t think he wanted to make Till hate him which is a popular fan theory, he just wanted to save him because Ivan doesn’t want to see the guy he’s desperately in love with die in front of him. The first kiss was purely for to throw the match but the second soft one and the pretend choking were to show his feelings to Till so he can die without regrets. Honestly, I think Ivan never planned to die because I think he was working within Hyuna and her crew on the down low and prolly hoping to escape with Till. But I also think Ivan knew there was a possibility everything going to crap and was prepared to die because his goal that day was to make sure Till survives. That’s why I’m never agree the thought that Sua and Ivan are the same. They are actually foils to the other.
To make things worse, it's also heavily implied that Till was SA'd (or violated) at the event where the aliens force Till to sing, given that the purple alien, who was previously shown clothed, suddenly appears unclothed as it pets Till's head almost like an animal at 2:20. Not to mention Till’s disheveled clothes and how his pupils are also drawn blurred, perhaps even indicating he was drugged (2:22). The poor guy cannot catch a break- this is some yaoi protag level tragedy!! 😭😭
The fact that Ivan wasn’t even happy about kiss and didnt tried to kill Till on purpose but just an act. if Ivan didn’t done that Till’s gonna die for sure cuz he’s stop singing and Ivan just died for him, dayum his first and last selfishness 😭
Till had no chance to win that round because of how emotionally distraught he is,so ivan resulted to assault and violence so his score would lower and till can live😭😭
The red means I love you and I'll be there for you through it all, even if saving you sends me to heaven. Cause you're my true love , my whole heart. Please don't throw that away. Please tell me you'll stay. I'm literally singing both songs in my head,thinking about Ivan's feelings for Till and what Ivan did this round , in round 6. I'm crying. HELP.
OMG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS REACTION ITS SO SPOT ON i literally had to pause my laptop and leave the room for 2 minutes when that morally questionable kiss scene pulled up because i wasn't expecting it at all. But Bakugay and Ivan's singing was so beautiful in this song and they harmonize so well IVAN WILL LIVE SO THAT THEY CAN SING AGAIN. TRUST.
I will choose to believe the same. For the sake of mental sanity . I want Ivan to be alive. I want Till safe. And most definitely want both Ivan and Till to sing together again. I beg for this to come true . 🥺
Ivan's kiss with Till was his confession of love. Ivan wasn't actually choking Till but fake choking to reduce his own points. Basically risking his own life to save Till. In Till's memories only Mizi (Pink haired girl who is obviously a certified lesbian for Hyuna aka brownie) meaning Till had strong feelings for Mizi, not Ivan. Ivan only had memories of Till which meant the only thing that kept Ivan going was Till, until the end. Meaning Ivan and Till relationship was one sided, but Ivan has a chance of being alive due to being shot only, the collar didn't go off :) Edit: Also Till actually thought Ivan was going to choke him.
@ShooshiMooshi Part 2 (My thoughts / theory) Ivan pretends to choke Till to get himself disqualified , to ensure Till wins and gets out of there. Notice how there are no marks or laceration on Till's neck. Ivan made sure to not hurt Till . Notice how Ivan looks back at the score board while doing this. Ivan knew he had to see this through . When Ivan knows he's accomplished what he set out to do, Ivan smiles in relief, knowing he saved Till for now, and he smiles while falling when Till finally looks back at Ivan in the eyes. It was like Ivan was saying "Finally you're looking at me." Attacking you're opponent you're singing against is considerd fowl play in Alien Stage . Ivan's score drops by alot when he pretends to attack Till on stage. I believe Ivan planned for this outcome and planned for the crowd to turn on him. Even after Black Sorrow , Ivan comes back to Till again to save Till again . Just like in Black Sorrow .
IT AINT VIVINOS IF THERE AINT HOMOSEXUALITY 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯 IM SOO GLAD YOU REACTED TO THIS CUZ I WANTED TO SEE WHAT UR REACTION WAS- (Ngl if Ivan ain’t coming back at round 7, I finna kms istg WE NEED THE YAOI SHIO BAACK 🗣️🗣️🔥💯💯🔥)
@@ZZZ90_I’m pretty sure that in the red karaoke scene, for a moment the aliens have till pinned to the table with his clothes messy and this purple alien next to him with his clothes on but when till is hallucinating Mizi, that same alien is naked now and he’s petting tills hair
IVE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS. STAGE 6 WRECKED ME MENTALLY PHYSICAL FINANICIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY. IM DOING BACKFLIPS BOTH WAYS JUST TO REMOVE ALL THE PAIN AWAY. also the fact that till possibly got sa'd just made me bawl. my boy has gone through enough 😭 PLEASE RESCUE HIM NEXT ROUND BEFORE HE SNAPS AND BEATS UP LUKA!!
If you noticed, during Till’s verse or pov all we could see was the pink haired girl but when it was Ivan’s turn all we could see is Till everywhere 🥹🥹🥹 we all know this is whole thing one sided im sobbing
I think that Ivan wanted Bakugo to win because Ivan's score went down when he kissed Bakugo. He didn't even choke him, there weren't any marks on his neck afterwards. Ivan got his boo to the finish I'M CRYINGG
I'm a Korean student 🇰🇷 I love your Alien Stage videos, especially the fact that it's not too fast, it's just right, and you can add subtitles. I'm going to watch all of your videos step by step. I hope you continue to do RU-vid in the future. 🥺 + Does anyone have any recommendations for funny videos? It might be sloppy because it's translated into a translator I like your video!!!🫶 And I'm very careful, but could you give me some English subtitles? You can study English while watching your video!
This one made me cry so much especially after reading the comments and noticing things i hadnt seen before like why tf does vivinos love torturing us sm 😭😭😭
the reason that Ivan held Till’s neck is because he was pretending to choke him so he would get disqualified. you can see Till doesnt have any marks on his neck which shows Ivan wasn’t choking him ,he was just holding him. also when the alien was “petting” Till its implied that Till was SA’d by the alien and that makes me cry not kidding
See how they miss all the vital spots. They shoot his shoulders amd arms, theyre trying not to kill him, no way they just have that bad aim. Hes too important, Ivan is alive❤ those guys watching the camera sent to a signal to Hyuna and Mizi, they will save them or it will be anti climatic and bad for the plot soooo IVAN LIVES ❤❤❤
I noticed in most of vivinos video,if it's a Dark hair X Light hair characters,and its gay or lesbian, one of them always emd in miserable or traumatic way possible.
