Our website: www.justandsinn... Publishing house: www.jspublishin... Support us on Patreon: / justandsinner In this video, I offer thoughts on the recent controversy and scandal surrounding Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias.
Oh, how incredibly VITAL it is to walk with the Lord in INTEGRITY!!! Start every day with prayer!!! Wake up the new man before the old man has even begun to stir!!! We are all so vulnerable!!!!
Amen. I would lose respect for myself if I fall...may the Lord keep us from temptation and let us walk in the way of angels. May he deliver us from evil.
It is sad that a "leader" in the Christian community is praised while he/she is living, but the so called leader dies, all the thrash about him/her comes out. Back in the 60's a church was started in my home, it was a Spanish speaking church. Some Christians who had money give and help found out about the church and they wanted to donate $65, 000 to the church and they asked what l thought about Billy Graham. I was a very young in the faith, l told them what l thought about Billy Graham, l guess l gave the wrong answer, we did not get the money. No explanation, nothing . Years later l found about Dr. Graham and l kind of accepted the rejection of the money. Most of what l found out was after he died. The main reason we did not receive the money was that Billy Graham would the converts to go to any church, more or less. In light of all this, where does Franklin Graham stand?
Many years ago I was arrested for Domestic Violence when my wife went into Paranoid Personality Disorder and thus the charges were dropped. However, during the few days when this was all being sorted out I noted the relish of how some called me "A Monster," while they in fact were evil and base and detestable for projecting their wicked hearts upon me.
@borrowed tomb You really think powerful men are less sexually abusive because they are intellectuals? And you really think that the business allies of these powerful care more about the victims then about their business organization? Please google “Ravi Zacharias spa“ and you will see lots of reasons to change your thought on this. Thank you for being in touch.
Paul, I sympathize with you, or what you claimed to have experienced. These kinds of accusations, when false [i.e.: please note that I deliberately did not say, "these false accusations"], can ruin a man permanently, and there is very little incentive to for women to tell the truth. Virtue and integrity aren't strong incentives to tell the truth. In this case, the accusations seem legit, but at the end of the day, we have investigators, who are not under oath in court, and we have a culture of "believe all women". The investigators were hired [and therefore not neutral] and have no incentive to tell the truth, just as the news media have no incentive to tell the truth about the wages of men and women. That being said, I could visualize Ravi doing all of this, after watching a few minutes ago a video about Ravi's bad doctrinal issues. I'm not ready to accept any of the info as fact. This isn't the same as 500 people claiming to see a resurrected saviour. This is people accusing. Therefore, we need to tread carefully, and to exercise more rigor. I'm frustrated at being forced to think about this.
Paul isn't relating his story to RZ. People need to check their pride before jumping to conclusions. And I'm just going to say it, this makes y'all look dumb.
@@The12thSeahorse yes agree. We know as someone accused my husband . Still going on after 8 years. Foster parents to 5 children. How could he have done something with 90 people around. Through encouragement just getting over it. Did she say he exposed himself perhaps he was doing up his gown ? He had spa treatment for his back.
@@friendlybanjoatheist5464 its still allegations.. the burden of proof is on the accuser. Sad thing ravi is dead, they can punished him in this world. but still the truth is the truth... Jesus still the Lord, even ravi sins or fail.. its ravi dealing with the Lord in the judgment day.
@@daddada2984 Dada. Have you taken a look at the articles that show up with “Ravi Zacharias spa“? I think the burden has been met, don’t you? Or if you haven’t read them, please do and get back to me. The two part series by “church leaders“ is excellent, as is the Christianity Today follow up article, and the one by the world news group. Bottom line, there’s a pile of evidence of deception by Mr. Zacharias going back to the 1980s. (I uncovered a lot of it in my early investigations in 2015.) His 2017 federal lawsuit has been shown to contain false statements, and we’ve got three women, a spa manager, and Ravi’s own business partner confirming the sexual abuse stories. Do you know what else is interesting? Christianity Today, or maybe it was one of the other magazines, refers to five or six other women, but don’t say what their testimony was. Only that it confirms the suspicions. In any event, I hope you take a look and let me know if you still think the burden has not been met.
@@friendlybanjoatheist5464 yes, i knew about the spa thing. But have they filed the case in a court of law? Or just in the media? What did the court of law suggest? Is he convicted, guilty or still in the case? If they have a case file it court, not in the media.. If its issue is running from 1980 to 215? Have they got a case or conviction? But now the accused is dead how can they get justice?
Gross to see so many trying to gloss over this man's flagrant sin and double life. One of his spas where he pulled his little stunts was called "Touch of Eden." What a blasphemous mockery of our faith!
Yes I apologise for my language, but calling the spa touch of eden is basically taking the piss. He's mocking you, flaunting in your face that he thinks he is smarter than everyone else. I think everyone is missing the point here. This is not about his christianity it's about his bloated male ego. He's just another hypocrite.
@@lindaellen808 flying around the world to convert people to Jesus yes such a devil and news flash everyone has Sins! Regardless what it is someone could have anger issues immoral issues stealing ext.. but that typical sin if u have it ur not saved give me a break
I would also say don't let the fall of a Christian "leader" affect your walk with Christ, unfortunately I've seen people leave the faith because of the sin of their pastor.
Hahaha, we have the know-how and the technology to catch and prove these present charlatans, but the Incipient New Testament characters got away with similar situations and never got caught with their prevarications and deceit, Cheers.
It happened during his life time. Similar descriptions on his misconduct lead me to see that he was practicing sin. Pitilly, true. We better admire the Lord only.
Thank you for this fair and honest commentary on the situation with Ravi. You’re absolutely right in that we ought not hold any person in high regard, no matter the perceived righteousness , intelligence, biblical scholarship, or giftedness in preaching. Jesus died on the cross because of the magnitude of Man’s depravity, the depths of which are unfathomable. I see this a lot in western churches, the tendency to introduce famous speakers by proclaiming a long list of accolades before they step onto the podium. God hates pride and resists the proud. We do these brethren a disservice by tempting them to think too highly of themselves, thus making them vulnerable to other grievous sins. I also agree with what you said about putting one’s name on a study bible or ministry. Even Paul said “Christ must increase and I must decrease”. I once read that humility is not thinking lowly of yourself but rather humility is not thinking of yourself at all.
DIFFICULT WHEN SO MANY ARE PREPARED TO COVER AND EXCUSE EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF MISPLACED LOYALTY. But its because some are so trusting and loving . This is not something to be destroyed.
@@lauriewise6271 I don't think we should destroy peoples love & trust for other people because of misplaced loyalty, either... maybe just redirect the loyalty more towards the truth & Jesus Christ instead of human beings so our love & trust can't be quite so easily taken advantage of.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge - Yes, it helps one way and not in another. The allegations were around 2010, so why did these women take 10 years after to report the sexual abuse (they weren’t minors) to the police? Unless they have endorse the sexual abuse and they have spoken to someone recently on how to extract money from the ministry?
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Mark, I admire your passion for justice. But if someone punches me in the face, or clearly sexually assaults me at the office....my first day inclination is to report it to the police.....I don’t wait 10 years later to make that report? Something badly smells here and doesn’t sit right? God bless. 🙏🏽
Spa? Imagine David Pawson or Chuck Swindoll or Hermano Pablo or William Lane Craig or N.T. Wright or James Dobson or Charles Stanley running a Spa, alongside their ministries?
"If you have a study Bible/ministry named after you..." Didn't Luther hate the idea of a group of Christians being named "Lutherans"? I'm pretty sure that Calvin hated the idea too. And look what people do...Calvinists, Lutherans, Wesleyans...we're frighteningly prone to making idols the leaders who God appoints for a season.
God appointed them? Luther was a heretic who advocated the removal of the book of Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation. And Calvin advocated for numerous people who disagreed with him to be put to death and murdered by burning them at the stake. Didn’t Jesus say you will know false teachers by their fruit? Do you need stinkier fruit than that?
Mark OnTheBlueRidge quotes straight from Calvin: “The one who blasphemes the name of the Lord should be put to death; all the congregation must stone him. Any foreigner or native who blasphemes the Name should be put to death.” - John Calvin He then argued is anybody disagreed that heretics should NOT be put to death then they are guilty themselves. “Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death, knowingly and willingly incur their guilt. It is not human authority that speaks, it is God who speaks and prescribes a perpetual rule for His Church.” - John Calvin He then had Michael Servetus put to death after he disagreed with him. Next time he saw him at church he had him arrested and burnt to death on the stake. He was burnt with green wood so presumably he would burn slower. For 30 minutes he screemed and cried out to Jesus for mercy until he slowly burnt to death. Calvin then said this of Servetus’ death: “Servetus . . . suffered the penalty due to his heresies, but was it by my will? Certainly his arrogance destroyed him not less than his impiety. And what crime was it of mine if our Council, at my exhortation, indeed, but in conformity with the opinion of several Churches, took vengeance on his execrable blasphemies?” - John Calvin
Mark OnTheBlueRidge you must not have read my last post. I gave one example - and a pretty brutal and awful one at that. The notion that you need more examples proves you are not interested in finding out the truth. Exactly how many murders does it take to make you a murderer? If you have access to the internet and you really want to know the truth, you can look up all of his words yourself and look up all the names of those who he had murdered yourself. It’s all public knowledge.
I really appreciate your thoughts on this, as I've been one encouraged by Ravi's work and words. We're all susceptible to sin, no one is immune. Thanks again!
All humans have 3 lives: a public, a private and a secret life. This includes Ravi. We all need to seek integrity in our 3 lives. I have a video on this topic on my channel, plus 35 other helpful videos for believers.
@@dorothywillms4290 I do not monetize my channel. I have NEVER made one penny from You Tube!!! I AM 100% SHARING FOR FREE!!! Yes, I do comment on other channels!!! I am allowed too!!!
This was so well said. The most important thing is that God is perfect, Christians are not. It's so critical to acknowledge that good work done by people who turned out to have done terrible things does not negate the good and the utility of the work. I kept thinking of how even St. Peter denied Christ 3x, and yet, redemption is still possible. Even for folks who have done these things, who can know if their hearts turned to Christ in sorrow and repentence a thousand times as they battled their demons? I know that I too was born in iniquity and in sin, my mother conceived me. May we be humble before our God and with faith and trust in His love and mercy, let us repent.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Quoting a string of words from the wholly fable is tiresome. I threw away a piece of pumpkin that had gone off in my refrigerator. If I kept it and fed the family, it might have been fatal! I guess your god is going to throw me in the vat of pumpkin soup for such a big sin as wasting the food. Imagine the effort your imaginary friend is going to, just to dump my carcase and all the while, you lazy god cannot help sick children in hospital. You will find much physical food from eating but better if you are reading the thirty-third book of Pastament. There are pearls of wisdom and stomach filling to be found in the book plus a packet of Fusilli. The church father, Carbonara impregnated Saint Semolina when she was the Master Chef in the pasta kitchen. Unlike the mythical, underaged, Mary, who was raped Luke 1:35 by a late-night intruder while Joseph was playing cards with his buddies. Gabriel probably slipped her a date rape drug, so the poor girl had no idea what happened. Semolina gave permission for the drunken union, and it leads to the birth of the FS Monster, and here we have the Holy Orders of the FSM. The Flying Spag Monster will forgive you on your sins if you: “Accept His Noodly Magnificence into your heart, into your soul, and ye shall forever be free. R'Amen.” “In the Name of the Pasta, and of the Sauce, and of the Holy Meatballs…”
It's a real crisis. The church is a refuge for victims, but we can be that without knowing who the real victim is? "The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him" Pro 18.17 The real problem with Christian celebrity culture is that we let so many accusations slide -- either without cross-examination, or after examination, just glossing over them. In Ravi's case, no court to examine the evidence. In other cases, like RC Sproul Jr, a court finds immoral behavior, but the church let's him back in leadership anyway.
Has a court ever made a ruling on the integrity of the Bible? Would you even accept such a ruling if it existed? The evidence is public and has already been validated by numerous sources.
Made me laugh out loud when you passive aggressively dug at MacArthur saying, "I know these pastors aren't trying to get people to idolize them but maybe it doesn't help having a study Bible with your name on it"
.I have to rely on your honesty in your investigation and following the facts. I know there has only been one perfect to walk this earth it it is hard to hear this come out about Ravi. My heart goes out to Margie and the RZIM family at this time. I listen to the message and believe it is the message that continues to allow me to live through Gods Grace and forgiving love. My prayers are with Ravi’s family
His speeches helped me to strengthen my faith genuinely. Even if this was true, I leave the matter in hands of God. I had always cross checked his teachings with the Bible and found that it were aligned to teachings of Jesus. Whatever the allegations are, justice will be served. It is possible that whatever the thing is, is true. God be the judge.
WRONG!!! God knows us BY whose we ARE NOT by what we DO for it is by what we do we are KNOWN for WHO we ARE Does GOD know us BY our name??? Mans christianity is BUT trash!!!
@@mandycote5662 All religions are made up by humanity. Lettuce make a god in our image. But not with a cabbage head! Maybe a pumpkin this week Oct 2020
Your sarcasm is satanic- that man creates God in His own image does not negate the truth of Him and He is dealing with it as we speak- man makes his name by fame and popular opinions for those who are not well known globally- God has a Name- Sake! It is Who He IS- I will stay with Him- for He is the only way out of mans mess i ness! 😎
I don't know anything about this story. This video is the first I have heard of it. I do find it odd that only now, AFTER his death, is all this coming out. I don't know if any of it is true or not but wouldn't it be great if we could just ask him about it? I would be suspicious about any claims made against a dead person.
Hahaha, we have the know-how and the technology to catch and prove these present charlatans, but the Incipient New Testament characters got away with similar probably or worse situations and never got caught with their prevarications and deceit, Cheers.
@@peterpackiam Remember sir, we are all dust, and to dust we will return. We will all die and face the holy God who made everything and stand before him naked in either our sin or in the propitiation of his son’s blood. We must all repent and trust in his son who has the power to make us alive together in him.
@@isaacnegrete223 I’m sorry you are delusional, when you mention a sort of a Deity not ever knowing or seeing a thing, and you’re so cocksure it exists cause you’ve been indoctrinated when you were child because you were easily manipulated by some one your senior. Because you went through this ridiculous situation you want to inoculate the rest us with your BS. Cheers 🥂
As forgiven sinners, we should take pains not to introduce ourselves to situations in which we might be subjected to undue temptation. Knowing that the heart of man is evil, we should guard ours twice as closely. That said, unlike some of the spa workers, a thirty-plus-year-old woman with no employment relationship is not the helpless victim of a man living halfway around the world. She was a full participant and an adult.
@@claydoyle6649 I completely agree. MANY activists are calling her a victim rather than an adulteress, though. I find the infantilizing of an adult woman who was NOT in a position where he was in any kind of authority over her to pressure or control her to be highly disturbing, though. If women aren't adults in their thirties, responsible for their own actions, are they ever adults???? We also need to bring back social standards that normalize strong boundary-setting by women AND men alike. This intimacy creep is a cause of no small numbers of fractures in marriages (this situation aside, which given the spa activity, is of a quite different level of magnitude). There are certain levels of intimacy that should never go outside the family (and I don't mean sexual--other forms of intimacy usually come long before) and others that should never be shared between friends of the opposite sex. This should not be a controversial statement, but our society keeps acting like it can be blind to sex differences until inappropriate relationships are forged and emotional (if not actually physical) affairs are begun. Our over-sharing culture is a perfect storm to shipwreck marriages.
RZIM must have some financial resources that these allegations are intended to separate from RZIM. The man is dead. He cannot refute anything at this point. It is gutless, unchristian and plainly sinful to do this now that the brother is with Christ and not here to defend himself.
The irony, sadly, is lost on many people. What apart from clicks and Internet traffic are some of these videos meant to do? This is very unchristian for the simple fact that the devil's other name is The Accuser of the Brethren!
There were allegations for years against Ravi Zacharias prior to these. The board of directors of RZIM has members of RZ's family on it who are saying that based on the independent investigation the witnesses are credible and RZ is guilty of serial sexual abuse. Why would members of RZ's family not vigorously defend him and his legacy? What is the logic behind them "smearing" RZ's reputation? What do they stand to gain from that? ALSO: Why are strangers who are non-family members up in arms while the family is agreeing with the independent investigators? What do you stand to lose or gain?
You that is talking, go and hide yourself. To come out here and tarnish his name is very ridiculous. Somebody that is dead, where were you when he was alive? God will judge you all that are fabricating falsehood. You are a saint right? Even if you heard anything about him, a reasonable man will not discuss it knowing fully well that he is no more alive to speak or defend himself. You are a coward and agent of the enemy.
@@victoryshalom4 What are you are saying? I have said nothing to tarnish the late Ravi Zacharias. I have merely said that it is now time for Dr. Jordan Cooper to do another video on the papacy.
We had a similar situation in Sydney Australia. it is amazing how many times God has actually used the most vile hidden sinners to achieve great Kingdom advance. Our Father's ways are truly higher than our ways. It's no reason to excuse the sin and maybe it's a real test of where our faith sits - in the person (the evangelist) or in their message (which can still be idolized) or where it should be - in Jesus who is Lord and Messiah. Paul talked about this - "one says I am of Apollo, another says I am of Paul" ... imagine those in Bible times who looked up to Ananias and Sapphira. How much more as we see the Day approaching that we simply must have our focus completely on the one who died for our sins and nowhere else.
I don't know you or your ministry, but I suppose this came to my feed because of watching many Ravi Z videos. I came to know of his ministry only a couple of years ago, but deeply appreciated how he handled nonbelievers with sensitivity and acceptance. So this made me extremely sad to learn of the misconduct just now. (I wasn't aware before this). I think of King David who was an adulterer and had the husband killed in battle, had a child from that relationship, and yet God--the Lord God, the one who knew him beforehand and created him and called him to greatness...God called him a man "after his own heart," (1 Samuel 13:14). David had a repentant heart (Psalm 51), as I hope any spiritual leader who falls would have. As you said in the video, the work of the Holy Spirit & the Gospel of Jesus Christ goes on. We are all sinners, of course, some of us having been rescued from very bad situations. Do we really think that we won't be attacked in this spiritual battle? But as you said, take precautions so as not to have even the appearance of compromise. I worked at a Christian nonprofit from 1986-94. The president at that time was traveling the world for relief & development programs, had a great measure of status locally & among international agencies. He was active in our morning prayer time as a staff of about 15 people at that time. Just last October 2019, his daughter came out publicly about his sexual abuse of her for years beginning as a very young child. He had passed away several years ago, but she had finally grown to the place where she could confront it. She tried to talk to the board about it when he was alive, but she was young & was basically dismissed by the board & they suggested therapy. They did remove her father from being the president, but kept him on in other important functions. I was broken when this came out because I believed in the mission of the agency (which no longer claims to be Christian btw). Your approach is a sober one. We don't rejoice when leaders fall; but we do need to be held accountable to someone else. I am still sure of my faith in the mercy of God, and of his divine rescue mission for us.
Very sorry to read about what your encounter with the president previously. These pple caused much serious damages to both believers and unbelievers spiritually, not to sat they deceived themselves. It is frightening to think what awaits them when they face God's judgement and wrath.
@Abdul Ali Just FYI, I wrote this before knowing the facts and testimonies of the women. And I was speaking in generalities of failure, not meant to excuse at all. But thanks for being disgusted by sexual assault as a man. 👍🏼
it's all out there....RZIM and the CMA covered up the evidence, and or denied it. Too much money at stake. This all predates his death. And I have not seen too much compassion for the victims here.
Very helpful for me that you focused on the message of Christ being valid as ever regardless of the. One delivering. I have no doubt that Ravi’s message was what is important. He was a great speaker and very knowledgeable and a sinner like us all.
To every subject in the world your logic is valid, but not in Spirituality. Thus, the warning about the blind leading the blind. A person like Ravi, could, at the most, whip up passions, because he had NOT tasted the honey in the rock.
Hahaha, we have the know-how and the technology to catch and prove these present charlatans, but the Incipient New Testament characters got away with similar probably or worse situations and never got caught with their prevarications and deceit, Cheers.
Very well presented thank you. I have always said this, that the message is not invalidated by the failure of the individual because it is the word of God that saves and not the individual, for this reason we do not remove the book of Proverbs, ecclesiastics and the song of Solomon from holy scripture even though Solomon failed in a measure that none of us probably ever will.
Jesus's own apostles turned on him, ran away and denied they even knew him. And they seen him perform MIRACLES! no teacher, father or priest on earth is without sin. NOBODY...(catholics)
Sadly, this happens too often after someone has passed... Michael Jackson, Jimmy Saville, Ravi. I don't know why, but when the person is not around to be given the chance to defend themselves, it becomes trial by TV. This was a balanced view of it, but nobody can really be certain. It's only opinion on who you believe.
Man these comments are DEPRESSING! Does no one care about the victims? The conversation matters because there are victims. Sucks to be a victim of this sort of thing in this world. These women were profoundly impacted by his actions and had to be in therapy for years. Justice matters. Yes we are ALL sinners, but we still have to take accountability for our actions. It doesn't seem that happened here. I feel so bad for these women, and I hope they can separate "Christian human leaders" from God
I agree I feel sorry for these women. And I don’t blame them for not wanting to be involved publicly but I admire them for speaking the truth and in some ways I hope that there is a large enough backlash in the Christian community that we as women (and men) of God no longer put up with with this abuse. These leaders need to be held accountable. And their grave sin has impact on others. It hurts them. It destroys their image of God, sometimes long term. We are talking about women’s lives and their walks with God. It’s far more dire than just any sexual sin.
It’s very sad to see educated people waste their energy on rumors rather than the truth. If we all can do a quarter of what Ravi did in preaching and doing by the word of God, may be we too can be saved 🙏
Slandering Uncle Ravi after he passed is so sad. For who is best to defend you is yourself. This is a common trend in society. Satan, will not succeed for Ravi's legacy will live on which is Jesus Christ. Let God be the judge for HE is the ultimate judge of the world. Evidence, accusations and slandering will not benefit for we all come short of the glory of God. Let's focus on our own sin whilst we can still by repenting.
What situation? He is by far one of the most inspirational Christian speakers of our time! I say “IS” because we will be turning to his inspiration for decades! He spent his life shining Christ’s light, now those who dwell in the shadows try to knock him! Shame on you!
What? The shame should be upon the sin that was perpetrated against these woman. This was deplorable. Jesus is Truth and brings all the deeds of darkness into the light...
This is ridiculous. The man is no longer here to defend himself. The women should have come forward when he was alive. As far as I'm concerned, the allegations have to be false since the allegations were not made when the man was here to defend himself. I'm not defending Ravi simply because of his reputation. I'm defending the absurdity and unjustness of accusing a dead man. Our justice system is built on a man being granted the right to defend himself and face his accuser.
This is one of the few times I agree with a criticism of Cooper's comments and opinions. I remember a similar case with a murdered minister here in Israel a few years ago. The guy could not even have his name commemorated anywhere because his name was thrashed after his death. This is why I refuse to automatically believe every rape or sexual misconduct allegation out there.
@@nathanrichey9427 This goes against everything Americans hold dear as far a jurispurdence goes. A person has the right to face their accuser and defend themselves. This is one thing that sets us apart from all other nations. Rest assured, if he was truly guilty, he has met the Highest Judge there is. The accusers must be satisfied that Almighty God's justice is better than any court on earth. This is slander and libel at this point.
Yes, the truth is very painful sometimes. Blind following and emotional excitement seems to be very common. Your presentation is pretty good, and in general I agree.
@@thegoldenexperience it's out there for anyone to find. Try these: The Roys Report, Ministry Watch, raviwatch dot com, and for a somewhat different perspective, read the essay "Ravi Zacharias as an Exemplary Apologist: A Demurral," by John Stackhouse. It can be depressing to find out that a respected Christian speaker/author was unworthy of the accolades. Yet it can free us up to more completely turn to the Way, the Truth and the Life, the Author of Salvation, the Alpha and Omega.
+Dr. Jordan B. Cooper -- Good video but right around the 15:00 mark and on you hit it out of the ball park. Galatians 6:1-6 (and even 7-10 if one wants to ram it on home) comes to mind.
I have been blessed by his ministry. However as you rightly said that we should not place our focus on the creature but instead the creator because He never fails. God truly has worked through Ravi. All of us who are in ministry cannot let down our guard because the adversary will find every opportunity to defeat us.
I was Saved in '85. In apologetics since early 90's. Studied under both Geisler and Ravi. ....and it's always bothered me how people followed Ravi....almost more like they were following and quoting him than Christ ....sometimes it seemed. Of course no one would ever say or admit such. It just sometimes didn't look right as a spectator in the bleachers. I learned the hard way in my younger days with Mike Warkne not to do that. It was hard, but I learned my lesson. It is going to be hard for some who are learning that lesson for the first time with Ravi. Second, do not dismiss facts based on its origin. If a Banjo Playin' Atheist has evidence or good reason, it is what it is. Do not commit the genetic fallacy. Last, the immorality of a Christian Leader never falsifies the claims of God's Word. If anything, it confirms it. Between the effects of COVID on churches, Ravi, Falwell Jr, Bill Hybles, etc.....Organized religion in America is about to experience a shift . What I think that is? No room to discuss here. No matter what happens, God and his Words never falter and never change. Lord be with you all.
I made this mistake early on in my faith: I followed a couple celebrity Calvinists, each of whom to varying degrees, and for different reasons, turned out NOT to be worth following. "And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers."
I'm currently reading the Cornerstone book about Warnke. It's very well written. I think we should be sobered, and also encouraged when ugly facts come out about people we held in esteem. It should turn our eyes to the Truth, Jesus.
I have learn one thing from this video: If you are called to lead a ministry, Do not make yourself a celebrant or set up the ministry in your name since we are all prone to make mistakes (in other words; make an equal presentation for everyone in the ministry so that if anything happens the impacts can be light on everyone out there, especially the non-believers who just wait for such moments to attack the faith). When we make ourselves the face of the Ministry, it shakes the faith of the weak followers when things like this takes place, since not all the followers are mature enough to understand that their faith should be based on the Lord Jesus. Thanks
Please google “Ravi Zacharias spa” for updates from Christian reporters. Ravi opened spas so he could be alone with women despite his widely proclaimed Billy Graham rule.
Talking about such things after a person passes, is ridiculous! Leave judgement in the hands of GOD and GOD alone. Till then, let him who is without fault cast the first stone!
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge I believe no man I only believe in God for we are all sinners doesn't mean that Ravi Zacharias didn't repent of his sin and ask for forgiveness! God will have final judgment on all of us we will all confess before the holy holy holy God!!
A believers true battle is between the Holy Spirit that is in them and their flesh. Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Thess 4:3 to abstain from fornication as part of our sanctification, because this is God's will for every believer. This simply means many believers are guilty of fornication. This is a real battle between the Spirit and the flesh. Whether it is true or not, it is between Ravi and God, for every believer must all appear in the judgment seat of Christ (Rom. 14:10, 2 Cor 5:10), for they will be judge in the flesh for the good and bad works they do. Paul instructs us that before we judge others, judge ourselves first.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge it is crystal clear. You assumed something and I set the perception right. It is not for us mortals to sit in the judgement seat, at least I won’t. You want to, please go ahead. I am clear in my spirit
You make some very good points. We must be very careful regarding our own ego. It was ego that motivated Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. When we have a lot of success and fame even for spiritual things then we can become spiritually vulnerable to falling into pride which can lead to other more visible sins.
My surgeon removed a cancer and saved my life, god bless him. But I later found out he cheated on his taxes. Should I love him for his good works, or judge him for his sins. Hmm
If your surgeon doesn't repent and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal savior then it doesn't matter if his good deeds are multitude. I hope he is saved.
I commend Dr. Cooper on his presentation, very well done sir. You are correct that no one should condemn or defend unconditionally with a blind eye. Everything seems to point to Ravi Zacharias having ulterior motives, regarding one Lori Anne Thompson, to fulfill some type of sexual fantasy. It would’ve been interesting to see what action if any Nabeel Qureshi would’ve taken amidst these allegations being further corroborated as I hold Nabeel in high esteem as someone thoroughly genuine. With that said the message of Jesus & the Gospel stemming from RZIM should not be dismissed. However in light of some hard evidence (calls, texts, emails) against Ravi Zacharias, to carry on the name RZIM is a disgrace and should be dismantled. Anyone continuing to be associated with the name RZIM can no longer be deemed credible in my eyes and if they are indeed genuine would break from RZIM. RZIM is not indispensable to spread the word. It’s nothing more than a platform (created by man) to do so.
"The greatest want of the world is the want of men-men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall. But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature-the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man."
I am upset. Did you not think about the negative effects this will have on some people? I was having a great day reading my Bible and I started watching tv and came across this video. For one, this is gossip which the Lord despises. Second, this messed me up. I didn't know any of this and now I'm just confused and sad and now worrying about so many people. This is messing my whole week up if not longer. Do you know I would have done more Bible study tonight but now I can't. Tomorrow is shot too. Why do you do this? HE'S GONE! Why do you want to put bad info in people's minds? I'm just blown away. We need words of encouragement! We are supposed to be comforting each other about the Lord's return.
Info came out after he died. However I'm glad you put proof in quotes because this man is speaking as if he was at the trial and mr. Zacharias was found guilty. On the other hand if this really happened, it would be terrible for the victim. I'm therefore dismayed and ambivalent about the whole situation⚖⚖
@F J Put that to proof! Unless you can, keep the tongue behind your lying lips! Pray instead and what the man achieved for the kingdom, few will achieve! Now go and falsely accuse someone else! Sure you make a good use of your time finding specks in people’s eyes, while that log is dragging you down! Find a good stone, and go cast it because after all, must be hard this perfect!
This may or may not be true, but what if God judges him to be "a man after His own heart"! Remember: Ac. 13:22 “I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will”. Does being a person after God’s own heart mean perfection? Certainly not! Nobody is perfect, except Jesus.
You are correct in that David was a man after God’s heart. But even David had the Prophet Nathanial come to him and skillfully expose the sin of the king. This was necessary for his restoration to God - Ps.32, 51. Furthermore, the Bible goes a bit further to state in Paul’s letters to the Corinthians: “For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?” (1Cor.5:12). This is in direct reference to one’s lifestyle and participation within the house of God. Now regarding the bride’s preparation to meet Christ, Peter says: “For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?” (1Pe.4:17). I like Ravi, but if we want to be honest, objective, and without partiality, then we have to condemn the wrong that he did seeing there is clear evidence to indicate he did what he is being accused of. The man spoke truth that we can glean from and benefit, but we can learn what not to do just as we are able from the man after God’s own heart.
@@johncoss8396 Judge a dead man - on a public platform? Casting stones on a public platform is so shameful - after the man is dead and gone. He should have met Ravi in person and taken the "Prophetic!" message to him - in person - if he really had a prophetic message! This is so sad and it brings shame to Christ and His Kingdom, if we can't correct each other in the privacy of our assemblies!
Excellent. EO person here who respects Ravi and am sorrowful for this, one of the reasons for vestments is to hide the individual in the office vs. celebrity. Thanks for this message.
I say this with respect and not as a contrarian, but can't you say that the suit and tie which most US protestant's uniform in serves the same function no!? Sproul (RIP), Macarthur, Pawson, Washer etc. etc. and all the rest of em (and in case it's raised, yes I know ravi isn't US but Indian, and while not ever following him closely etc can't think of a time I ever saw him wear a tie in a vid! So he's a little more casual maybe).
@@Tom-qo4mz Perhaps. Vestments are basically retainments of patrician style, as I understand. Suit & tie could eventually become that. But I doubt it. The apostolic church had liturgical worship, temple continuity, and sacramental theology which naturally leads to priestly service, vestments and other accoutrements. Evangelicals don’t. Those that try seem stuck on formal symbology rather than sacramental manifestation.
There are gospels and books in the Bible by the name of the author. That could be dangerous too. But we can't touch that because it's Holy Bible. But we don't make Paul or anyone else in the Bible an idol. I think we should have the same attitude regarding the people in today's ministry too.
People tried to. One who worked at one of the spas brought a complaint, and got fired. An atheist who was a seeker wrote an entire book, and was rejected by evangelical publishers, and ignored by reporters. The woman in Canada was forced to sign an NDA. And when a Christian blogger was given the atheist's book, she began her own investigation and reporting on what she found, and the tide began to turn.
A Christian who falls into sin or temptation is not a hypocrite per se. If on the other hand, he claims to be sinless while sinning, now he’s a hypocrite. A believer who is overtaken by temptation is nothing unusual, a Christian “ celebrity” is a contradiction in terms, ( or should be ). When they sin it’s makes it all the sadder for any who held them in undue esteem. Thanks
Satan is a very cunning adversary and none of us have the ability to defeat him ourselves. That includes even the most pious and reverent of the Lord's servents. That is why Jesus died on the cross for us, so that through him we have the ability to overcome our sin. 1 Peter 5-v8
@@nathanrichey9427 and how would you suggest any form of vindication against a dead man who cannot even offer an apology, assuming a misdemeanour actually took place?
@@nathanrichey9427 you know, my concern is always why these people wait until someone is old, sick and dying and unable to defend themselves to suddenly come up with these claims. If you are really being sexually harrassed why don't you speak up at the time? It is so easy to accuse someone who has no way to prove that you are lying. I really think this is shameful.
So Ravi was human. He must have repented, especially before his death. In some ways I can relate to Ravi more because he was a sinner being saved. Many Apostles made mistakes. But they, like Ravi, kept persevering.
"Mistake"? What scripture says that engaging in serial acts of immorality is merely a "mistake"? EACH MAN SINS WHEN HE IS LURED AND ENTICED BY HIS OWN DESIRE (James 1:14-15). It's a conscious decision to disobey God. Those who teach are judged with greater strictness (James 3:1). If you teach against immorality (adultery in RZ's case), you walk into committing it with your eyes wide open. There is no excuse. And it's certainly no "mistake." Do you think his wife would have called his behavior a "mistake"?
Well delivered, but I wish the reserch / evedance / sources were included in the video or the description. Without them, this is more character assassination than anything else. For someone who is clearly well educated to not include or disclose that information seems like a serious laps of judgement. I'll look into it deeper for myself before making up my mind.
Sad this happens after Ravi‘s death.IF it is true,he has been robbed of the chance to confess or repent. Sad for what the accusers are going through,and heartbroken for his family as well. To one and all,take comfort that it is now in the hands of God
Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.I always thought what a lovely gentleman he was. My previous comments were made even with the thought of him being guilty of the allegations.I agree with the words of the pastor.I did not mean to offend anyone. God bless
It is very funny that when people talk about dirty spots on other people they do it after this person has passed and he/she cannot defend themselves and it is always done by those standing behind the door themselves, those thieves of the truth that who themselves are petrified to be caught out. I listen to Ravi, thank God that I was blessed by being able to listen to him and will always hold him and his family in high esteem. The rot mongers we unfortunately always have with us, they don’t care what amount of damage they do by revealing the “true stories” I can only assure you by doing what they are doing I think of them with the greatest contempt possible.
It just shows us that no one is beyond temptation. Perhaps he sought help but was too far gone into his addiction to become free? Perhaps as a famous leader, he was afraid to share his struggle feeling too humiliated to reveal his uncontrollable passion for sexual lust? I do not know how Ravi lived with himself and still proclaimed God's truth with great insight, and yet livid in a hell of deep dark bondage? May the Lord have mercy on his soul!!!
@@paigerogers1929 Yeah behind his back. Just because it was a made up allegations, no one had the guts to confront him in his face. After his passing it's just the usual blah..blah..nothing but trying to gather more viewers and subs from like minded people who has hatred for God. Period !!
@@anamiguel1298 Ravi spent the last five years of his life running from allegations of deception and misconduct. Let’s not pretend he was squeaky clean until after he died. It will take some time, but if you’re interested there’s plenty of material on it.
Alma. Why do you think Mr. Zacharias opened a spa? And do you know what happened when a woman confronted him when he was alive in 2017? He sued her in federal court and paid her for silence.
@@friendlybanjoatheist5464 What is wrong with having a spa? You make it sound as if everyone who owns a spa is a pervert. Really?? You need to rethink that statement a little. Purchasing a spa does not prove sexual misconduct.
@@almahattingh2301 no, there’s nothing wrong with going to a spa. Or owning one. What do you think of what the women are saying about Ravi? Are they all lying? Also, I’m curious what you think of his academic fraud over the past few decades. Do you think he was an honest man?
Jeremiah 17:5- trust in God, not in human beings... *everyone has demons who doesn't go through regular deliverance. *Ravi never talked about spiritual warfare and deliverance issues.. *This will change your life forever today. For Christians on RU-vid: 1woksape spiritual warfare
Some folks hide their sin well, others have theirs thrust into headlines. There are none who are good, put your faith in the word of God not in men. RIP Ravi.
The enemy often wants the believer to focus on the personality so as to be dismissive of the platform. Everyone who walks this life has skeletons in their closet that should never detract from the example that Jesus gives us. As believers we need to keep our eyes on the prize and not be distracted by the sins of man lest we fall into the trap of doubt. David when he prayed recognized that his sin was against GOD irregardless of who was affected by his sin. 1st commandment tells us to love GOD with all our heart soul and mind. Ruth gives us the example of gleaning. If a person lies once does it follow that everything that person says is a lie? I expect not! The Holy Spirit presents us with the ability to discern that which builds us up in the spirit and that which defiles the spirit. Study to show thy self approved and remember that only Christ was able to fulfill the law. Keep your eyes on the prize and your lamps full!!!!
