Thoughts so Far on Age of Sigmar 3.0 - Warhammer Weekly 08252021 

You guys really know how to make a Thursday at work fly by. Pulling me into assembling an AoS army one Wednesday at a time

Awesome video! Thanks for the help picking missions

Love it. Thanks for doing this every week :-)

the tech problems and the phone sound of the new meeting was so funny

Love to see it with the Dominion Warcry rules, and I for one welcome our new Pot Grot overlords. Delicious stews for all in the eightpoints.

Morathi and the bow snakes needs to go up ~10%. Keep fighting the good fight against the apologists, Vince!

As usual, a measured, nuanced, and interesting discussion with a goal to improving the game for everyone! 10/10 I OBLITERATED that like button

I am totally new to AoS with this edition, and haven't played miniature games really since the 90's, so with that in mind these rules are slightly too much to jump into. I have also dragged someone with no real miniature/wargame experience (although adjacent stuff, but still) into it and we skip a lot of the extras here while we learn. There is a lot of crud to keep track of and even with a help sheet we leave the small stuff out. Now this is narrative but still, can't see myself ever playing a "serious" tournament.

Cool show! AoS3 is great! Rocco is chill dude! The only problem with Warhammer Weekly I have is that it's too short (and happens once a week)!

Love the idea of rotational Grand Strats for tournaments. If there is a worry about some armies not being able to handle it, making it so only if you win your match do you lose the ability to play that Grand Strat would work.

I was to an event last weekend, a 10 man Tourny, 1 day, so 3 games. I felt all my games were tight, and came down to last round to decide winner! often with small point difference only! 23-21, 34-32, 19-16 Played my Human Pirates KO army, and WON the tourny ^^, final was against a fairly good player in sweden, with his Lumineth + Gotrek list. Mannaged to kill Gotrek with 10 Thunderers and 2 Endrinriggers in melee, he didnt attack with Gotrek first, since he though he was safe, (he only had 3 wounds left so underestimated melee potential) and he died. Played: Allegiance: Kharadron Overlords - Sky Port: Barak Thryng - Mortal Realm: Ghur - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Inspired Leaders Endrinmaster with Endrinharness (105)* - Artefact: Grudgehammer Endrinmaster with Endrinharness (105)* Endrinmaster with Endrinharness (105)* Arkanaut Admiral (125)** - General - Command Trait: Supremely Stubborn - Artefact: Arcane Tome (Universal Artefact) - Universal Spell Lore: Flaming Weapon Battleline 10 x Arkanaut Company (100)*** - 1x Skypikes - 1x Light Skyhooks - 1x Aethermatic Volley Guns 10 x Arkanaut Company (100)*** - 1x Skypikes - 1x Light Skyhooks - 1x Aethermatic Volley Guns 10 x Arkanaut Company (100)*** - 1x Skypikes - 1x Light Skyhooks - 1x Aethermatic Volley Guns Units 10 x Grundstok Thunderers (270)* - Reinforced x 1 Behemoths Arkanaut Ironclad (490)** - Main Gun: Great Sky Cannon - Great Endrinworks: The Last Word Arkanaut Frigate (250)** - Main Gun: Heavy Sky Cannon Arkanaut Frigate (250)** - Main Gun: Heavy Sky Cannon Core Battalions *Warlord **Linebreaker ***Hunters of the Heartlands Additional Enhancements Artefact Total: 2000 / 2000 Reinforced Units: 1 / 4 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 120 Drops: 11

Renegade Open last month had you pick a Grand Strategy every game and once you scored it (for 4 tournament points), you couldn't score it for the rest of the day. They did reset for day 2 though. I found it really fun.

Saw Rocoo and immediately hit the like button!

Unit of 6 Palladors will insta-take objectives, counting as 12 models. Thaaat's so nice. I hope they also will be a little bit more effective in combat.

I want to hear Tom's thoughts so far.

My Dread Saurians did not like those small deployment zones at gateway open

I love Tom, don't get me wrong. But seeing Tyler on while Tom has been away has been awesome. Tyler seems to talk more and have more to offer during conversations. I don't mean this as a slight to Tom.

VINCE!!! CONVERT A DOOMWHEEL TO S STORMCAST TANK USING CHARIOT RULES!!! Please!

I don't quite get the negativity some people have with this edition of the game. While I was very skeptical at first, I personally think it's a huge improvement over 2.0. I've now played about 10 games in with Ogors, Skaven, Kruleboyz, Cities of Sigmar and Stormcast. My buddies are not bad people playing the Tzeentch Horror bomb or the Sentinal Spam so I can't argue about the Gaming Experience hard netlists bring. List building first. I love that things have gotten more expensive in points and in the end I quite like the new reinforcement rules (and that's coming from a Skaven player). This means people need less models to play a decent game and making big deathstar units is somewhat mitigated. The core batallions feel thematic enough and are not broken as hell like some of the batallions we had. Games. Games are often longer, but more engaging. There's always something to do: command abilities and reactions to think about. Battle Tactics look easy on the top of 1 but when you're deep into the 4th turn things get super techy. Burning objectives makes for very interesting decision making on the top of 3. I think scoring points has improved hugely over what we had. ALWAYS finish your games. I found there's always chances you can get back in the game. Concerns. I hate the current hero Hammer meta. Some God characters are way out of wack momentarily and that has to do with some core rules interactions and can be solved mainly with points I think. Archaon, Morathi and Gotrek are all way too cheap for what they bring to the table. Just bump them up and I think lists will start to vary. Also some shooting is too oppressive due to core rules interactions. This can't be fixed with rules changes, and so once again points should resolve the issue. Looking at you bowsnakes and sentinels. Overall very positive about the game! I think GW really has knocked it out of the park with this one. There are still things to be fixed but that's to be expected when we're so fresh into a new edition.

Vince is quite right about AoS' average player... And it's worrying in a way. GW is pricing Warhammer stuff to really cash in on the nostalgia feels of all the middle-aged players with tons of disposable income right now. In doing so, they are undermining the influx of really young players though... Those are your powerbuyers in 10 or 20 years time though.

On comp: GW have shown some desire to update and improve their rules. They tend to go "light touch" and cautious, which is obviously not enough for some people, and not fast enough. We can see from other similar situations on the Internet that if they went "heavy touch" "super fast" then we could expect a similar outcry, probably even from the same voices.

when GW said no more 3rd party proxies, would that apply to the typical tournaments you guys talk about on this channel? I really wanna start collecting a soul blight army in addition to my gitz and SCE but tbh I’d much rather buy my zombie hordes from the kings of war line lol

It's roco MY boi

Its funny, despite being an LRL/IDK player, I dont really care about building for drops. It only really matters in 8,3% of cases, in the first priority roll draw scenario. Even then with Alumnia there is a decent pre game move in for me. Then again I dont play more than 20 Sentinels, so maybe that matters.

rocco ya boy has awesome videos

Overall I like the new edition. The only real problems are the god tier heroes and the crazy power level differences between many of the armies (and I say that as a Beasts of Chaos player). Our group is considering a ‘golf handicap’ system where crap armies start the game with more points e.g. 10% or even up to 20% more.

Sorry. As someone who supports software, a flowchart to show how to sub across multiple platforms from multiple starting points with multiple payment and subscription options was elegant option imho.

Vince can you look at Old town throwdowns pack and give some feed back. I know no pack is perfect but it would be cool.

Im currently on 7/10 for the edition. Save stacking and by extension god models are such a big sticking point for me. If one person has one and another doesnt its just a massive gulf that it feels like 2 seperate games

I want to say 3.0 is an 8/10, but right now it's more like a 6/10 for me. A few niggling things really drag down the experience for me...things like stacking saves, unleash hell, no terrain rules, and the continued existence of hard NPE armies like Lumineth and Seraphon. They can all lead to some very unfun matches. Everyone has their own biases based on their local Warhammer community, and these are mine. All of them are fixable; but I don't know how much faith I have in them actually being addressed.

Really good episode, I think the edition is at a 7, but the fixes require to bump it up to a 9 or 9.5 are pretty low fruit - which is both frustrating and encouraging! 🙃😑

Question about Gotrek, Is he winning tournaments or is just difficult to fight against on the way to the top tables?

I’m still hoping that with time and game aids, turns will speed up; but right now a five turn games takes waaaaaay too long.

Finished up the part I missed, and it was a great conversation. 3.0 has good bones, a few tweaks to problem characters would put it into an even better spot. Community Comp terrifies me to no end. It just seems like a slippery slope without a governing body, and even then it makes me hesitant to it.

should of done a drinking game for every time Vince mentioned the missing FAQ

It's so podcast!

As for community comp, could a lot of the discussion over diferent rules and such be taken out of the equation if everything was pointed correctly (or as close as could be reasonable). Surley there could be a community and stats driven 're-pointing' that would be updated more regularly than GW's points but still refering to the official rules. It would mean everyone still has to look at the same number of documents as before, but at army building stage you look at a community website rather than the latest from GW. If someone was smart it could even involve an actual stock market like approach where highly performing units / armies across tournaments are highlighted and their points reconsidered. But agan it would run into the problem of community consensus, but atleast folks wouldent have to remember a whole extra bunch of stuff at the table, enough going on as it is these days. Anyway, great show as always, keep it up!

As someone that's still quite new to the game I'm really enjoying it. My biggest issue is how armour stacking works. Having a model on a 2+ save that basically ignores 1-3 points of Rend on top of that just feels janky. But the game overall is very interactive, which is great. Oh, and shoutout to Chronomatic Cogs for being really dumb mechanically.

So you’re saying Hammers of sigmar, Burning head, yndrasta for an extra +1 armour save in your turn? Xoxo Johnny

These are my favorite videos to watch while painting. I'm at an 8/10 on AoS 3.0. My whole gaming group is just starting AoS with the new edition and we're slowly adding more rules as we go.

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Tyler the Everco-host

Someone should send GW a copy of “Don’t Make Me Think”

I sometimes feel like people forget that you have to roll dice and know what you are doing even with a good army. Not a comment on what was discussed here, you all know what you are doing, just that the game has to be played too. :D Also, what is double cabbage? My mind always goes to cabbage dolma but I think I might be wrong there....

Aos 3 is more like 40k than I've heard anyone mention

No link To Rocco_Ya_boy's RU-vid channel for quality tutorial and competitive philosophy content?

When’s Tom comin back? Sorry if this was addressed at some point and I missed it

That guest definitely smoked a joint before coming on. I don't mean that as a criticism 😁

I really like the core rules, but the amount of book-keeping that this edition introduced is something of a turnoff for me. Maybe it will change once I get more games in, but it feels like playing the game the way many people play it (tournament-style or tournament-lite) it is a huge learning curve.

I don't get the concept of the freeform comped tournaments. The 2021 GHB is clearly structured as "this is the standard for tournaments for the season". Tacking extra stuff onto that will just introduce more confusion. There's discussion of TO's ignoring the stacking aftersaves issue introduced with the new FAQ update, ie ruling unofficially that "all aftersaves are Wards regardless of timing". If something like that isn't applied universally it will just create inconsistent data for GW to actually balance the game off of. If a number of tournaments ban god characters, the results of those tournaments can't be used by GW for making adjustments to the game as a whole in a healthy way.

35 year old dads.... that might be me exactly...

Imo comp can be a good thing, but due to their very nature (being maintained by individuals for free) they tend to be unstable. To give an example in Mtg the French Dual Commander variant became quite popular and had regular 100+ tournaments. At the same time when the rules comitee decided to change the base rules on a fundamental level, the community split. In general I'm totally opposed to Vince on this. I'd rather have a set of unified rules than a million tournaments with a million different rulesets. Because that's really confusing for players. But as Rocco said we don't have the player base to start on this path, and I also think the problems the game faces right now do not warrant comp in any shape or form. Except for a narrative event of course.

Vince Gotrek can not kill Archaon. Gotreks damage comes from the d6 mw on hit of 6 with rerolling hits. Archaon make Gotrek reroll the hit of 6 so not much coming in.

Hey, I like the idea of thoughts.

Zoom Free is limited to 40 minutes

On the topic of the abysmal Warhammer+. If they pay their digital content people the same as their game designers, it should not be a surprise.

i stand by my evaluation i made a few weeks ago after getting a few games in. it's a fantastic edition, probably the best edition of AoS so far, and as a 20 year warhammer player, a great edition of warhammer all around, but it has some poison pills in there that really take the experience down a peg from what it otherwise could have been. the biggest for me being coherency and unleash hell. the coherency changes are just too annoying and fiddly, and disproportionately impact units that already have problems, and does little to solve the problems they wanted to solve. and unleash hell is just too strong on problem units that were already strong. maybe thats a problem with said units instead of unleash hell itself, but there are quite a few of them, and they were already gatekeeping the game for a lot of melee armies or armies that rely on small support heroes before in 2nd edition. then less an issue with the edition itself but more with the games overall state, the god units are just too strong by and large. i had joked on another channel that relegating all the god units to narrative only would balance the game overnight, and while hyperbolic, not far from the truth. most of them have been broken for a long time, or tend to oscillate between broken and so overcosted they are unplayable. they just do not know how to balance these units. i'd also lump gotrek and kroak in there too, even though they arent explicitly "gods" having small cards and reminder accessories for your various tactics and such for this edition helps a lot.

After playing and trying to gather info from the community and raw rule data, I feel like it was a good first step. But only a first step. I'd give it a solid 5, it deserves some respect and has enough there to continue to improve what players want vs what the game should feel like. I no longer care about matched play, I personally don't agree with most of the balancing of factions using the core rules. I don't expect GW to do anything to "fix" AOS until 2022. My own complaints are mostly about unstable ground following 40k's route of cowboy playtesting. One upping on each army is not sustainable for me. End of the day, I am a splitter. I've tried many skirmish rulesets but I sadly gotta be that person to walk away and make a fresh system. Inclusive to other skirmish players and accessible to new players at any level.

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AOS was originally designed as a Timmy game. Now it feels like a Johnny nightmare. I have to give AOS 3.0 a 1/10 because i quit the game, which i think is about as low as it gets.

I am worried for you. GW just copyrighted “Warhammer” they will be coming for any and all Chanels with the word Warhammer in their videos. Just change to War Hammer and your good ;)

Man unfortunately i feel like the game is sitting around a 3 for me right now. The army balance of haves and havesnots is absolutely bonkers, they fixed absolutely no painpoints for me from 2.0 if not made some of them worse, and so many mechanics just feel like problems that will get worse with time. The garbage FAQs that have put stuff in the bin until new books come out like 32mm 1" reach min size 10 models or 3/6 cavalry feel bads is absolutely terrible for enjoyment of the game. Shooting still just absolutely controls the game since they put absolutely no failsafes for shooting into 3. Why are you allowed to put 500pts into a 36" range non LoS shooting unit that gets no negatives in melee range? Why can you shoot my things in melee with another unit risk free? And it feels like things such as rally and unleash hell are going to 100% be complete balance breakers that ruin any kind of balance when certain books come out much like how its currently 2+ save herohammer due to save stacking now. EDIT: I also hate the worse version of 40k VP. Having it be increments of 1 for VP makes it much harder to actually make me care about doing the difficult tactics or strategems. If killing a monster gives me the same VP as just picking 3 models to run, why would i ever opt for difficult tactics? I cant be the only one who sees the constant 1-2-3 turn of run 3, then monstrous takeover, then whatever is your easy instant auto complete stuff.

I dont know why my yt autoplay always leads me here after a 8h sleep, i didnt play even 1 warhamer game, please stop this, its like the 3rd time already

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