Soulblight Gravelords Review - Warhammer Weekly 05262021

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Join us for another week of news, rumors and all things warhammery. This week is a big week, so much news, a mystery in progress and the massive new Soulblight Gravelords tome reviewed. It's going to be a big one.
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@withteethfilmssp7794 3 года назад

Is it just me, or did Tom hand off the “Debbie downer” mantra to Ninjon? 😂

@dkraytsberg91 3 года назад

Jon is a big death fan, new death book is kinda meh. Gotta call em like you see em

@zekehaf4784 3 года назад

Ya he seems truly depressed over the book and trying not to winge.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

He was trying to give his real take I suppose, that being said, he's collecting the army. so that says something. :)

@withteethfilmssp7794 3 года назад

Yeah I get it, he was hoping for more on the vampire front, and there are definitely some disappointments in the book, but I also agree with you guys that the army will be in the fat middle competitively. Lauka Vai was my biggest warscroll disappointment. 🥲

@RTBurruss 3 года назад

Great choice of Tyler!! Always love his contributions to the show

@therustbeltblacksmith 3 года назад

me too, i was hoping it was going to be tyler.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

He brings a throughtfulness that made him perfect as we are leading into 3.0

@davidblenner9082 3 года назад

My new favorite way to describe my play style: “oh neat bonus nachos”

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

It's how I think about a lot of my armies rules.

@paprinas 3 года назад

thanks for putting in the time! watched all of it, though it took me two days :D it's so great hearing you chat, great insight and just so funny too! Loving the divisive nature of the book, seems there's potential for lots of cool list combos but also a lot of pitfalls and weaknesses which is perfect for the game in the long run, wish more of the books are like this.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

100% agree

@sadis72 2 года назад

Klmm

@eugenebalan7702 3 года назад

Thank you for the show - glad to see the perspectives and now I am collecting Soulblight. I can just picture zombies dragging down demons, monsters and knights.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yep, glad you enjoyed. :)

@PartisanGerm 3 года назад

As a very-late-to-the-party, Desert of Salty Neckbeard, Tomb Kings collector, who has been building his Legions of Nagash Sacrament battalion for the past year to compensate and enter the competitive scene.... I am quite disappointed. I'm all about skeleton hordes, like you Vince, but this book isn't really doing our boney bois justice. They kicked out Arkhan, hit the rest of magic and regen with the Nerf bat until it was put in a coma, and then kneecapped Deathrattle. What, and Deathmarch is practically unusable as well? As if I need another thing to cope with after 2020!

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

All fair, the lack fo the spellcasting bloodline is strange.

@PartisanGerm 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella I'm going to try to whip up a wizard-packed Vyrkos list, since I doubt LoN will still be legal at Adepticon 2022, but I expect weak sauce. I only hope Arkhan is going to be getting his own battletome with a new Lords of Sacrament and other friends in a year or two.... or three.

@Ingethel- 3 года назад

Perfect timing, get up, start work, three hours of distraction! I've been waiting for this one :)

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Awesome, it's a long one. :)

@ZacharyEvans 3 года назад

From reading a lot of responses online I think the changes have caught previous players off guard. Most of the negative reviews are coming from people who expected it to be something different, whereas broadly positive reviews seem to be coming from people who read without expectations.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

That's probably a good insight. :)

@RedHandedDaniel 3 года назад

"knife to the heart" is my local guys! great shout.

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

Cool! Have been an avid listener. Greatly enjoy their mix of perspectives.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Tyler always has the solid recos

@sadis72 3 года назад

Just realized that the segments show up when you slide the timeline to catch back up where I left off lol nice little touch! Lol

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yep, want to make it easy to navigate around. :)

@slainemacroth9360 3 года назад

Awesome video Vince thanks heaps. Some really good takes, has improved my mood a bit on the book

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Excellent. :)

@gtmerchant1935 3 года назад

YES, been waiting for the show about Gravelords. Started listening to several other people talking about it but I couldn't stick with them. I can only really sit through this show all the way. Also Tyler should go full mustache. Its going to come back now, see Invincible XD

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

You know, never tried going full 'stache...it'd probably be a disaster, but who knows. :)

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Hope you enjoyed the show. :)

@gtmerchant1935 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella I did, as always :)

@jimyoyoma8956 3 года назад

Great episode. Love Jon as guest and Tyler for new cohost. Great choice!! TY

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Thank you, Tyler and I are excited to carry the torch while Tom is away. :)

@andreasrasmussen195 3 года назад

Ohh I guessed correctly! I thought perhaps Ninjon was a guest today, and lo and behold. Sitting down on my day off to with a big nice breakfast, ready to binge!!

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

2 for 2

@ryansosna3432 3 года назад

I’ve been thinking for awhile that things like d6 damage profiles need to be replaced with d3+2 or something like that. I feel like random damage or attacks shouldn’t exist at all, it’s nearly impossible to balance appropriately with points, but if they’re going to insist on doing it at least reduce the randomness and add a flat bonus for some consistency. The discussion about the vengorian lords made me think about this.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Agreed. :)

@rickohanlon3370 3 года назад

Definitely agree with this. Always felt a bit lazy just slapping a D6 or D3 profile on something rather than coming up with actual numbers.

@CrazyTom34 3 года назад

Excellent show, hyped to run this army. Seems like it'll be fun if not the most competitive

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

It feels like an army one could collect over many years, with a lot of viable variety + clear potential for expansion.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I think it will be fun for sure.

@DaPhatNerd 2 года назад

I love hearing you talk about game play Vince, it would amazing to see you in some high level competitive Battle Reports and see the strategies you explain be played out! Have you ever considered adding them to your channel?

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

I would certainly love to do such a thing, but there just isn't time in the day. :)

@KountKristyl 3 года назад

There are *just* enough things missing from the new Soulblight Gravelords book to make me think they're getting the Lumineth treatment. Watch this space in 6 months time for vampire infantry, a terrain piece, and some endless spells.

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

Yeah it does feel that way a bit...the lack of a new dragon kit/centerpiece -- like a dual kit for a new Vhordrai and new Vampire Lord on dragon -- was a real letdown.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I'm sticking to my guns it will be more than a year before we get a part 2.

@frankpatton8372 3 года назад

Great show as usual!

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Thank you, glad you enjoyed. :)

@Lodorn 3 года назад

1:30:05 Does that work on abilities that let you auto-cast without rolling? Like the Bloodtoofs Artefact?

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

I suspect it wouldn't. Even though the nature of the unbind is different (5+ roll vs normal method), it's still an attempt to unbind. With artefacts like Quickduff Amulet, or abilities like Teclis' auto-cast, they can't be unbound in the first place. It's a great Q, though, and probably a good one for the SBG FAQ.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yeah, I agree with Tyler, it's dependent on the ability. If it says it can't be unbound, I am guessing no, if it's an autocaust that for some reason doesn't that prohibition, it would work I think. BUt yeah, FAQ

@acrylicchemist1432 3 года назад

I've been trying those homevrew sylvaneth terrain rules in a campaign with my friends. They all agree its way more fun, despite sylvaneth underperforming on the warscroll front 😅

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

That's awesome!

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Fantastic, I think they are so much better.

@alexandersideris924 3 года назад

I really like your Design Graph final slide. I'm curious why the sweet spot as you call it is in the middle of the x and high on the y axis and not high on both the x and y axis. Thereby, the books in the new "sweet spot" would have both high quality design and high competitive power, like where you've placed DoK, Seraphon, and Tzeentch. Is high quality design and high competitive power not the most desirable?

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

So we don't want things at the top of the competitive spectrum, we want books to be middling power (of course, it's all relative, technically, if the scale isn't objective, it could expand as you increase balance). The goal isn't to have high power, I consider most of those books a failure for being outside of the acceptable power curve. So that's why the sweet spot is the middle. You want the fat middle, books of 45-55% win rate, middling power and very high design.

@LearnTrainPlay 3 года назад

Feels like this book was written last minute on a sunday night/monday morning

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I don't know, Its strange. A lot of the book has some real thought and some really interesting interactions. Some of the scrolls are really clever (Mannfredd, Chadukar, Poison Grandma, even the trick with the Skeletons and Sance Macabre), but some of it feels...not like that.

@masver2424 3 года назад

Hey fantastic show! Thank you, Does any one know the interaction between the grave guard and the beast hero spell for 2 hits on a 6? Does it give 2 MWs?

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Nope, it will just trigger both. So you will get a bonus normal hit and the MW, so it's basically just they both happen, independently.

@masver2424 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella ah ok thank you very much. I'm guessing it works the same way for zombies too then. Really appreciate the answer and the content!

@TheRainman614 3 года назад

I think Kritza is going to be an amazing hero. He follows up behind your shambling hordes and when killed he pops back up later and steals your opponent's backfield objectives. He's cheap and can come back. I see him just being able to extend his ability to bring back summonable units, etc.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Totally agree.

@shaddonon Месяц назад

2:53:35 what’s the story re: Miniac “inspiring” the Vengorian? (The *explosive, simultaneous cackling* suggests air quotes)

@VinceVenturella Месяц назад

I think he meant a particular conversion on it, I think.

@SkeletonFlower 3 года назад

I'm so glad that Belladamma Volga is great. She's EASILY my favorite model in SBG, and one of the best models in all of AoS to me from a visual standpoint. And I love all of her rules as well. They did a great job with her all around. /SkeletonFlower with a confusing new name

@SkeletonFlower 3 года назад

Also, I've seen more negativity in the FB-group for this army in the last two weeks than I've done in total for 40k after coming back to the game almost a year ago. That is actually kinda nuts. It almost made me not want to give the game another shot, because it felt so incredibly off-putting. So I'm glad you have a bunch of people with different opinions and ideas, so you can actually offer a balanced look at this book.

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

@@SkeletonFlower Hey SkeletonFlower! Yeah Radukar the Beast and her are just home runs. Hoping 3.0 opens up the book even more, especially on the command point front. Just so many good command abilities available, but far too few CP currently.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yeah, I really think she's amazing and it's surprising that there has been the negativity, but the positive outweighs the negative by far.

@SkeletonFlower 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella I think it's a shame. I get that the book isn't perfect, even to a new player like me. But this isn't like Beasts of Chaos in Fantasy or 8th ed Tomb Kings where the book has like one build that's barely even average. There's a few misses here and there, but overall I'm very excited to get into 3.0 with this army.

@sirbobulous 3 года назад

Ha! The new center-piece giant vampire centaurs just get shoulder checked to death by Kragnos immediately :D

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Hope he rolls that 7!

@seanclarke8015 3 года назад

"Rebox the mausoleum!" Cracked me up Jon 😂 I'm so disappointed with this tome. Silver lining though... that cursed city momentum has made me u turn into a cities army instead

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I see no issues here. ;)

@grahams68 3 года назад

Interesting stuff! Lots of once per battle effects, is that a new direction for AoS? I don't remember any in my Cities book

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

It's been around more and more lately.

@grandsonofbehemat2821 2 года назад

Riders of Ruin is designed so that the BK are constantly leaping and charging every turn to harass the opponent’s battle plan. It’s also designed so that they are getting the charge bonus in each of their “successive combat phases” as stated on the webpage commentary about the rule.

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

Oh, so I agree they wanted it to be a retreat, and in the narrative, it clearly is and that is because in 3.0, they will likely separate Normal Move from Retreat as a truly separate choice. They could certainly answer as much in an FAQ (though that will likely come out 1 week before 3.0, so I am not sure they will). The issue right now is a retreat is just a Normal move that you make when you leave engagement range, it's just something that happens when that move triggers and that is what they are doing. By the RAW, it's a retreat and they can't charge. I agree that isn't how it's described, and that is likely because in less than a month, it won't be a retreat anymore when the rules change. :)

@Lodorn 3 года назад

Ninjon with the Mountain Dew, if I'm not mistaken. A man can try!

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yep, and clearly, we need to work on his bladder control. ;)

@TombKingTristan 3 года назад

THON - Clearly a NBA crossover focused on Thon Maker, 7 foot Detroit Piston forward who’s high-school mixtape was the stuff of legends - Age of Myth level mixtape.

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

A Thon Maker reference on an AoS video...you truly know your basketball, my friend. :)

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Nailed it.

@TheManAmongAll 2 года назад

I missed the part where it was discussed but what’s the main issues with the cursed city models being run in this army?

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

They are all one big group for 775 points, so you can't use them individually and they are far from worth that as a pack of points.

@TheManAmongAll 2 года назад

@@VinceVenturella ohhh I didn’t realise they couldn’t be used in isolation, as I was going to grab the odd character such as the Gravekeeper to run alongside some zombies - thanks for the heads up

@davidcampbell621 3 года назад

I think you're underselling the wight king as a general. Grave guard as battleline opens up a lot of options for listbuilding I think. Black knights are pretty flexible chaff, and it opens up that option outside of legion of blood since you'll have less battleline to fill. Black knights chaffing early, can put pressure on back side board objectives and even the 2-3 that come back still have the same impact hits. Also I think this is a mid tier book, which will have an average winrate, because of its popularity, but has the tools to do really well and will show up in top tables pretty consistently.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I agree with your summation completely, I'll give the Wight King another look. :)

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

Hey David, love that summary re: mid-range win rate impacted by popularity while also having viability on top tables. Was getting a similar vibe off the book. We'll see.... If SBG can get a decent amount of CP in 3.0, that'll help too.

@inakue 2 года назад

Hey Vince! I am just curious about your armies. Do you usually upload the painting process of the whole army?

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

It's a shortened video with a mix of time lapse, video examples and so on. I don't think a 24 hour video would have many people watching. :)

@inakue 2 года назад

@@VinceVenturella Yeah! That's very probably true :p I mean, did you upload similar videos for your other armies too? Also, congrats for your channel, it is just so awesome!

@davidwasilewski 3 года назад

Great run down and very balanced I suspect. Question; if you bring back half of a 5 model unit, is it 2 or 3 models that come back?

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

THey mention rounding up, so 3.

@davidwasilewski 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella thanks.

@93Nordo 3 года назад

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but one of the most ridiculous things is having still the Malignant Keyword floating around, and the fact that the mortis engine also still has the deathmages keyword which gives no bonuses at all as its not a wizard (which it can totally bee for around 200+ish point... Or maybe finally a double caster grand necromancer)

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

It's just strange.

@seanMmaguire1 3 года назад

Moulder and Eshin need some love in 3.0

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

100% yes.

@manga3040 2 года назад

I may be confusing myself with things they have said for 3.0 and the current AOS but I thought something with "-" save could not make a save no matter what. So even if a spell or ability gave zombies a 6+ it would be useless since they do not ever make a save roll.

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

That changed in 2.0. Things with a "-" have a 7+ save, but they can receive bonuses.

@michaelshaw1782 3 года назад

With Vrykos, you can run Chadukar the Beast and Baller-damma and summon up to 18 Direwolves in a turn. Not resurrect, summon. Shame the models are so spense, guess I'll buy Chaos Warhounds

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

That is something nice, there is no shortage of wolf models on the market.

@nealbiederman4664 3 года назад

Welcome Tom 2.0 😊. Still miss the old model though 😊.

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

Thanks! Me too! He’ll be back soon. :)

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

The old model has it's charms.

@richarddagger4954 3 года назад

Has anyone done an unofficial points breakout for the Cursed city stuff? Vince, would you take a stab at it? I'm very much a casual gamer, and I'd like to use the cursed city stuff for AOS.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I haven't seen anyone take a shot at it. I am actually hoping they might just do it themselves in 3.0.

@Isrephael1 3 года назад

I'm very much hoping 3rd edition will allow for the buying of individual models in units, rather than increments of 5, 10, etc. (Which would allow me to actually use the twenty FOUR Chaos Warriors or Saurus I have. It would also mean I'm not forced to take endless spells I don't want.) I'm hoping the increased granularity of a five-based points value will facilitate this, with the most basic of mooks being 5 points a piece.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I would prepare for disappointment. ;)

@Sev159 3 года назад

What is your opinion about the crimson court and sepulchral guard units?

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

Personally they seemed like huge missed opportunities, especially The Crimson Court; but that's been common with warbands, unfortunately. They either don't serve much of any purpose, or they're overcosted, or both.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

They make great proxies!

@Sev159 3 года назад

Thank you for answering! So my guess is that the Crimson Court is like 50 Points too expensive?

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

@@Sev159 Yeah they might make some lists at 150, although that's still tough IMO, since their main synergy, Prince Duvalle's spell, only has a 6" range, and the vampire spell lore is pretty underwhelming. But yeah I could see folks buying at 150.

@Sev159 3 года назад

@@TylerEmerson Yes the low range on the spell is quite annoying. I also don't quite get why they give the other 3 Court units the "The Hunger" ability when 2 of them only have 1 wound without a way to bring them back after they die.

@Thaumatolgist 3 года назад

Vince, how about little dragons, but instead of riding, the SCE are hanging from them like Hang Gliders meet Balloon Boys?

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I mean, I don't hate it.

@janmozdzynski 3 года назад

Did you forget about Prince Duvalle? And his Crimson Court? He’s spell is quite good

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I think he's okay, I just don't think it's worth the points for him, but I could be wrong there certainly. :)

@janmozdzynski 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella there’s also Sepulchar Guard but they’re useless right?

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

@@janmozdzynski I think they are definitely a skip. Cool additions to a skeleton unit though

@timothychristie6994 3 года назад

If Kragnos is too far north of 500 he sadly will never see play in my BCR. At 600+ I would just take 2 stonehorns. Maybe a weird spot in my bonesplitterz archer Horde but idk.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I would tend to agree.

@MrUnreal9111 3 года назад

Reading the Lauka Vai novel atm and she should have bonus to casting rolls. She can literally mentally influence her brood over large distances and can kill mortals just by looking at them with her mind. Also she seems to have a superb control over her curse compared to her lesser kin

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

That all sounds awesome and not on the scroll.

@ThomasBFetherston 3 года назад

Interested in what the FAQ says about grandma's "Under the Killing Moon" + Chadukar's "Unleashed ferocity." Potential "Smash Chad" build inbound?

@ThomasBFetherston 3 года назад

Also:Vyrkos just seems so disjointed because they get spell caster buffs but the majority of their named characters AREN'T even wizards. Makes it a legitimate opportunity cost to taking Kritza/Annika/etc. because they don't benefit from 1/2 of the sub-allegiance abilities. And let's not even get into the non-bo of necromancers, arguably your most powerful mini-casters, not getting benefits of either ability.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Smash Chad, I love this. And yes, the Vyrkos spellcasting is weird.

@grandsonofbehemat2821 2 года назад

Riders of Ruin is not a retreat. Abilities supersede the normal phase rules. If you read the webpage commentary on the rule, it clearly states that opponents might as well not even try to hide “juicy units” behind trash troops. It clearly states in the rule that it is normal movement. It not only says it once, it says it twice. This clearly says “normal movement” so that the BK can leapfrog over a unit and then charge due to it being a normal move. Every ounce of the webpage commentary on the rule supports this position. When the FAQ comes out, it will only clarify what is plainly stated in the rule.

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

So you had 3 comments on this total, I can see you're passionate about it, don't worry, as I said there, it likely won't be a normal move and hence a retreat for long. If retreat is separated from Normal MOve in 3.0, then they won't be retreating.

@arcus9590 3 года назад

I like the theme of Luka losing control as the battle goes on but the trade off for not being able to give command abilities should be huge. Like she should rip and tear for that trade off.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Totally agree.

@rickohanlon3370 3 года назад

Don't think you mentioned the Crimson Court? I guess they'd be in the error 404 section as well 😂😂😂

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Correct, amazing figures though. :)

@rickohanlon3370 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella yep, was really hoping they'd be a mini, super elite strike team of vampires.... Might make good demons for a certain new game though.... 😉

@Sarkhamy 3 года назад

So the plus one minus one restriction is probably gonna mirror 40k, which only limits to hit and to wound rolls

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Good note.

@Sarkhamy 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella thanks! Congrats on the game release!

@40KWill 3 года назад

Fell Bats = the kits people will use for vargeists and varghoul conversions

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yep, nailed it.

@Lodorn 3 года назад

Won't the sentinels not just kill a couple of wolves from Lycancurse in the SBGL players combat phase?

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

If it's, say, a unit of 10 Sentinels in a common 2x5 layout, you'd place those couple of wolves on the L- or R-side of the Sentinels, just at the 3" mark. So at most a couple Sentinels will pile in and attack, probably with 1 attack each on 3's and 4's. It's possible, though, that your opponent sets up in such a way that it becomes difficult to avoid placing those wolves within 3" of another unit with more reach and/or combat punch, like Wardens. :)

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

THey are pretty weak in melee and keep in mind, only a few of them will be able to fight, so it's quite likely they will leave.

@Lodorn 3 года назад

@@TylerEmerson The opponent decides which models are slain, and the wolves have to be setup where the slain models were, though. In a 2x5 setup the sentinal player could very well choose to kill some from the middle to be able to deal with the wolves. But yeah, archers are usually not very great at melee, i guess.

@joshuaalt9448 3 года назад

@@Lodorn The warscroll states that the dire wolves are set up within 3” of the slain model’s unit, so it still works.

@Lodorn 3 года назад

@@joshuaalt9448 Ah, I think I confused the wording with the new restrictions to returned models. You are correct.

@PannkakaMedSylt 3 года назад

I think Blood knights will be Retreat & Charge, it states beeing able to do a normal move like others somehow can't. The fluff says they charge forward basically through enemy not actully flying (so not a retreat..) AND The community post about them prior to release mentioned you'd attack things behind the enemy screens imgur.com/a/82nOZap

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Oh, I agree, they will get the update (or rather the rules will update around them).

@Thaumatolgist 3 года назад

At under 600 points this guy will own the 1000 point meta :-p

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

You're not wrong there.

@vivifresh 3 года назад

I see Tom took a break from talking about not pirate vampires.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yep, when he idn't get the Vampirates, he was out! ;)

@mrmct7287 3 года назад

Full squads would be nice for new starter set

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yep

@Thaumatolgist 3 года назад

37:40 Add the carnivorous death world 40K terrain for Ghur :-p

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Nailed it.

@slainemacroth9360 3 года назад

Also I can not think of him as anything other than CHADakur the beast now

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I mean that's his name right? ;)

@slainemacroth9360 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella it just fits so well

@redbeardboss 3 года назад

if they reduce all the giants by 5 points and Kragnos is like 530 he can fit in the Sons army lol

@40KWill 3 года назад

And would somehow count as one model

@redbeardboss 3 года назад

@@40KWill lol so true

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

So guaranteed then he's at least 540. ;)

@JackCawood 3 года назад

There's so many similarities between this book and S2D... The marauders lift up S2D like the Zombies lift SBGL.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

You're not wrong.

@redsven7624 3 года назад

THON - clearly new mega-gargant the Thongstraining buddgiesmuggler, would of been far more interesting that the mystery reveal of a previously revealed thing

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Nailed it.

@luxuriasmodeus500 3 года назад

Is this army a good starting army?

@Mithlinthar 3 года назад

Perhaps you should just watch the video.

@luxuriasmodeus500 3 года назад

@@Mithlinthar I did mostly. I am only asking a question, you needn't be so curt with me

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

My honest answer, yeah, I think it can be. It was mentioned in the show it isn't and I didn't get to rebutt that, so I am glad you asked. I think things like zombies are easy to paint and great for new hobbyists (same with skeletons), you also can have a few big monsters to dip your toes in that water. There is a little bit of fiddliness to learn, but on the whole, something like a blood knights charging army or something is great for a newer player. :) - Hope that helps.

@Rhaenday 3 года назад

Why didn't the corpse cart get a new model?..

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Oh, because they looked at the brilliance that was the existing model and couldn't figure out how to improve on perfection. ;)

@sebastiandodson189 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more about the melee foot heroes not being worth it. I can see them making it into a 1k list maybe, but they just aren't worth it in 2k when you can get so much more for another 60 pts in most factions.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yeah, they are basically there to buff and that's abotu it.

@grandsonofbehemat2821 2 года назад

If Riders of Ruin was designed as a retreat move, then people are suggesting that a BK unit leapfrogs over a unit only to be stuck and get charged by the “juicy unit” they are trying to get to? That simply makes no sense.

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

It doesn't until we get to 3.0 as I mention in my other answer. :)

@LearnTrainPlay 3 года назад

lol was waiting for your thoughts of the points values ending in 5. I think its just a writer that has a hard on for arbitrary points values, like slaanesh so many 150pts, why 150? don't know but thats what it is.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yep, it screams arbitrary.

@hailhydra7959 3 года назад

Tom needs to get his camera fixed, he’s looking a bit different. You had Ninjon and PowerPoint, so it’s a like from me. My only gripe is the lack of doggo but we did get a cat so 👍

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

All fair. ;)

@Isrephael1 3 года назад

Ok, what sort of rumor engine photo would you actually find interesting? I feel that GW is batting .000 on this for you.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Oh, I am not even sure in this case, I think part of it is because I know the box was coming so quickly, so who cares. :)

@TombKingTristan 3 года назад

I WAS RIGHT

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

You were.

@TombKingTristan 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella *smugly dancing in my chair to myself*

@jamespratt7526 3 года назад

I get Ninjons point about heroes like Lady Annika but... there’$ a rea$on that melee blender foot-soldiers don’t exist. Spoiler alert: it’s the same reason Teclis now has a pointless ugly Sphinx thing on his base.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yeah, but I also get his want, I mean it sounds cool. :)

@anthonyjcroupe7991 3 года назад

So I know people are bummed about what they consider a nerf to skeleton warriors but.... doesnt it give them and Grave Guard a proper role in the force now? Like kinda silly that old Skeletons were these disgusting frenzied bajillion attack hordes... and Grave Guard were kind of just like cool, I guess we will take a nap. So now having Skeleton being the undying returning legions of the old bone piles, and Grave Guard being your heavy armored damage dealing of bone packs just feels that much better.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

You're not wrong there. :)

@Zakon673 2 года назад

Ah man this was a bummer. The only models in the entire book I don't like are the zombies and the corpse cart.

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

Well, there is other quality in here as well. :)

@sirbobulous 3 года назад

I am disappointed enough in the army that I decided not to buy in. I wanted it to be an army with cool Vampires as the focus, or, at least, where they were an option. I can run the Blood Knights out of Kastelai but that means I have 1 unit then heroes. The melange of named heroes are all ipsem lorem for me. I want to play *my army* not Radukar's. I could see an argument for a Neferata army where you just swap skeleton models for suitably painted Cities of Sigmar models to have a Queen of the Night vampire court ruling over their living subjects with an elite Vampire nobility forming the shock elements.

@ThomasBFetherston 3 года назад

It's weird that it's supposed to be 'the vampire army' yet the core allegiance abilities are so focused on minions and they clearly made the vampire spell lore worse than it was previously. Definitely shows how for all of the modular elements they're really pushing the linear "you'll be punished for not taking hordes (of zombies), a named mortarch/caster, and a VLZoD."

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I was really hopeing for the all vampires as well, but Warhammer gonna warhammer.

@PatRick-ru7qe 3 года назад

So, I wanted a pizza and RU-vid totally knows that, too. And when I hit the like-button, I immediately got a pizza. It's faszinating how that like-button works.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

AMazing technology. :)

@gg829 3 года назад

Is Tyler replacing Rich Evans?

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Turns out Tom was Defeatable.

@christophernobbs3446 3 года назад

Good show - very side point but I suspect the 5pts increments is to promote the use of the new (more expensive) app for list building.... or am I just being cynical?? Really cynical is wondering whether it will be tied to warhammer plus along with preordering, and so explaining stock levels of new releases further... but I am probably just too cynical...

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I hadn't thought about that angle, jeez I hope not.

@Crozierization 3 года назад

They could get rid of the cygors easy lol. All they would have to do is make the Warscroll good

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Seems easy to me.

@robertronngren 2 года назад

Man, Ninjon is SO salty in this :) Just because it nerfed the things he liked from LoN? SBGL is a decently strong army with multiple competitive builds. I also think all of the dynasties are potentially competitive.

@VinceVenturella 2 года назад

He's come around since then. :)

@maximebemer3407 3 года назад

Excuse me, i already asked in the chat during the live with no answer but.... where is the Bloodseeker Palanquin??

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

Vince thought it was so bad he left it off the slide. :) I think it might be the most underwhelming scroll in the book. Thankfully there’s a bunch of great scrolls.

@maximebemer3407 3 года назад

@@TylerEmerson ok. I strongly disagree, but ok.

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

@@maximebemer3407 Yeah it's all good. Would love to hear a different view. What all do you like about the Palanquin? Maybe we missed something.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yeah, I thought it was just terrible, but I am open to change my opinion as ever. :)

@maximebemer3407 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella well, thank you for your answer! My opinion is that it can have great synergies with vampire units. On a Blood Knights Kastelai build, projecting the palanquin inside enemy lines along with Blood Knights can be devastating. Also having the Palanquin as Legion of Night general, ambushing the enemy along with 2x3 Vargheists seems pretty good to me. I agree that by itself it is annoying. But in a Vampire specific build, it is to consider. What do you think?

@voxkine9385 3 года назад

I love that the book gives a bunch of cool stuff to vampire casters and then made the entire lore so garbage... “hey, if you cast a vampire lore spell on a 9+ you get TWO casts! BUUUuUT... there is only one decent spell and it exclusively restricts this rule...”

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

It's...strange.

@beastmendelegate1946 3 года назад

I will see GW drowned in my tears for what they did to Negash. They ruined a perfectly, good, Supreme Lord of Undeath. But putting that aside (temporarily), I do like the new vamps. The merchandise is great. I’m a fan of the whole line. I like the lore in general, too. I can’t speak to the competitiveness of the army but they have to be more competitive than Negash, who can never win at anything, ever. I hope the Grave Lords are fun to play, although narratively, I expect they will be just as incompetent as their Grand Alliance leader has proven himself to be. You guys, however, are not incompetent. Good episode, thanks for the breakdown. 👍

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

We had to get rid of Nagash to clear the way for the real characters, the vamps. ;)

@koencambre7215 3 года назад

Kragnos estimate for me: armour save values are massively overappreciated by GW and I'm guessing around or even over 800 partly because of that. Also, with Nagash going to 975 and overall points hikes and/or removal of horde bonusses, I'm thinking we'll see a points cost increase across the board.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Agreed completely. :)

@koencambre7215 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella looks I was pretty much spot on with my slightly pessimistic estimate.

@mo-kq7iw 3 года назад

What happened to Tom? He gone for good?

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Nope, just taking a few weeks off. :)

@stewartfrancis9188 3 года назад

Whats the source for John's claim that the new model must be within 1 inch of the existing unit?? Gotta show it to my mate so he can't string shit back it's bloody annoying

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I wasn't sure either, I couldn't find the FAQ

@stewartfrancis9188 3 года назад

@@VinceVenturella I found it, turns out it's in the actual book lol

@cyagen9782 3 года назад

Let me be clear! Tom is always the first choice!

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

100% :)

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I suppose. :)

@Mikey__R 3 года назад

I don't know what to believe is true anymore! Maybe the Earth really is flat...

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

It's a cube. ;)

@TheDiceMustFlow 3 года назад

This book seems weaker than the old Legions of Nagash... And that book was not killing it...

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

I think overall it will come up more powerful, but it will be very different.

@wing459 3 года назад

Rip. Honestly after the hype Soulblight being LoN 2.0 has been really disappointing to me. Really wish they just had a bit more focus on Vampires as a whole instead of just the same old "yeah these are your heroes, but the rest is just LoN". Would have loved to see it being Vampires all the way down with things like bloodthirst driven peon Vampires and Vyrkos at the bottom, or even thralls. I look at things like the awesome underworlds models and now go "well these are like useless now right?"

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Yeah, I wish we got that full vampires unit. :)

@dannythompson5506 3 года назад

👍🏻👍🏻

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

@hobbithubby5076 3 года назад

2:45:00 Belladomma for 200 points is insane. She’s been quite the topic in Nighthaunt discords as a comparison to what we want Lady Olynder to become.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

She's strong. :)

@Crozierization 3 года назад

I miss Tom

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

He'll be back soon. :)

@redbeardboss 3 года назад

Sisqo is a cruelboy

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

that checks out

@Spiran_SphereHunter 3 года назад

I feel like I am the only one who hates the new skeletons, Waay overcosted for bad damage, Bad defense and a special rule that may never come into play, 170 for 20, For an extra 25 you can get blood knights, For 55 less you get zombies, I just don't get what these guys are for, Why take these over anyother unit?

@TylerEmerson 3 года назад

One consideration is their minimum price differential with Zombies: 85 for 10 vs 115 for 20. Haven't spent much time building Soulblight lists yet, but some lists may benefit from a couple extra cheap units of chaff for screening, zoning, objective sitting, etc., as complements to their bigger units, such as units of 40 Zombies or 30 Grave Guard. In that regard, 10 Skellies at 85 would be one of your better options for a cheap screen -- with sufficient frontal coverage -- for those Zombies or Grave Guard.

@VinceVenturella 3 года назад

Oh no, you are far from alone.