I love Tom's brutal honesty. He's true to himself and doesn't back-peddle. The few tracks I've heard from CL the vocals are absolutely horrendous but the riffs are serviceable.
Cold Lake kicks ass. I don't care if I am "supposed" to hate it. Their buttrock image they were trying for was horrible but the songs are pretty damn good but this also comes from someone who's favorite album of theirs is Vanity/Nemesis so I guess what do I know.
Dude......i mean seriously....Vanity?Its an ok album, but your favorite?Nothing on it is amazing, innovative and things like that, which made Celtic Frost legends in the first place. Good thing they released their crowning achievement Monotheist
I actually like bands like LA Guns, Faster Pussycat and so on. And this album don`t even come close. It is not only sleazy hardrock, it is bad sleaze. I think it is better bands changing style to this kind of music. For example the band T.S.O.L pissed off a lot of hardcore punks changing style, but at least they made music that was not bad for this style.
I've actually had that album twice in my collection over all these years. And removed it from my collection both times. But looking back on it I actually must admit I liked a few of the songs on it. That's my true confession of the week folks.😂🤣😂🤘
It's not that bad, people just love to hate on it. There's some really cool touches, like the main riff & eerie female voice over portions of Cherry Orchards. The image was lame, but the music had this really sleazy, twisted vibe. I still appreciate it.
Props for owning up to an embarrassing mistake. "Dismal" is the perfect word to describe that album - it's so insincere and soulless that it's legitimately depressing for me to try to listen to it. There's nothing more sad in music than when a band fails at desperately trying to pander to a mass audience like that.
Agree with you! Tom is very revisionist. But he recorded and played that music, at a point in time he believed in it. Nothing can change that. It's not like he released Cold Lake under a spell or was forced to do it with a gun pointed at his head. He is obviously free to dislike it now, but some of us out there still like it, and he should respect that, or not, I don't fucking care. Ultimately, the music that a band puts out is out of their control, and keeps living in the ears of present and future listeners. I actually know a lot of people who like CL, people who have been listening to extreme music for thirty, forty years. I bought CL when it came out and liked it. Not more than the other albums but still liked it. At the time, you never knew what you were going to get with Celtic Frost. Every album sounded different. They were a very experimental band at their core in fact. My favorite of theirs will always be Into the Pandemonium. I listened (still do) to a lot of punk and goth as well and that album sounded very goth to me. Cold Lake was not glam. As a matter of fact, I find it a very depressing album, very decadent and melancholy. It's like dead flowers on a grave. It's the word "death" written with lipstick. The only glam thing was the hairspray and some questionable fashion choices (but look at the band photos of ITP, it's already there). Now there is this revisionist idea of first wave of black metal. First wave of black metal was dark thrash, death metal, some traditional heavy metal even (Mercyful Fate). Three out of six CF albums are weird, experimental metal, Into The Pandemonium, Cold Lake, Vanity/Nemesis. Both Vanity/Nemesis and Into The Pandemonium have traces of Cold Lake. So, if you dislike those three albums and only like the "black metal" CF, you don't like Celtic Frost, but half of Celtic Frost, which is ok. There are plenty of bands I only like a few albums of. But those three records are not accidents, they are an integral part of what CF was. And if you think there is a REAL Celtic Frost and a FAKE Celtic Frost, you like an IDEA of Celtic Frost. Celtic Frost is the totality of the music they released. The only REAL CF is the sum of its parts. Cherry Orchards. Ginger looks upon pain. Cherry Orchards. August fades like tears in vain.
@@amerigoormea Thank you for your beautiful comment and congrats for your way of thinking. If you notice, artists sometimes experiment with other styles out of curiocity and interest to expand their barriers through creative freedom. They did with Cold Lake what KISS did with Dynasty. It still was KISS, it may was glam rock but it wasn't disco, and, if it was, who cares as long as there is quality in it? If you notice Nemesis looks like an A-Ha cover actually. We know Tom is a broad music listener and he is a very innovative and smart artist. The female singer from Tristesses... is a reknown singer from a Swish gothic wave band called The Vylles! So, for a "dark/thrash/black" metal artist to create styles like that in the "primitive" 80s was so much beyond! You said it all with your comment, I may add later 🙏
I just watched the video for Cherry Orchards. That shit jams.🤘 I don't know what he is talking about, but I'm into Priest and Dokken though and never listened to Celtic Frost before right now. Lol
I've said it before and I'll say it again: after Into the Pandemonium, what was left for them to do? Where was left for them to go? I dug Cold Lake, personally. Glam/Goth Sleaze Metal's alright with me.
Maybe it wasn't time for Monotheist then, but Monotheist was where they would've otherwise gone. Happy we got that album too, before Celtic Frost was over.
To reach their logical conclusion, called Monotheist. That was the album CF was trying to write since the beginning. An absolutely fantastic way to end the band
In the context of the band & their music, looking back it was a such a departure for them & I’m sure, hugely disappointing to many of there fans! I wasn’t an avid listener of theirs before ‘Cold Lake’ came out, so my context of the album, is different & imo it’s decent!🤘🏻
I came in on Pandemonium which is probably an even stranger album but I agree I think it's decent too. I don't think it's a glam metal album either that's just lazy thinking because of the photo and video
I was 16 when that came out and I was excited to go and get it from my local record shop one Saturday morning. By 3pm that same day I had Frisbee'd the fcker against our back garden wall...thinkin no one deserves to listen to that pile of sh*te 😂😂
@@metalmickey yeah I can tolerate it now mate...back then tho being 16 and all thrash and testosterone fuelled it was a bit of a shock...since then there's been far worse for sure 🤘🤘
when this came out it was sheer confusion couldn't understand how the same person who wrote classic records like Morbid Tales and Mega Therion crapped out this garbage
If maybe a horrible album but it’s a collector’s piece on vinyl because it never got rereleased and hasn’t been in print for years! I spent 115$ for it just to say I own it lol
COLD LAKE is a fucking great album. Just because he doesn't like it, I don't care. It beats half the material on "Into The Pandemonium." Don't get me started on that goofy ass cover of "Mexican Radio". They went from the "Tragic Serenades" EP to that bullshit....you want to talk about a let down.
I don't hate cold lake. Stylistically it wasn't celtic frost and the glam image was overdone and didn't fit them at all. But a lot of the songs on there sound like some pretty good classic metal and I enjoy them. (once) they were eagles is a good song. The video for cherry orchards was very cringe tho.
Go listen to it. There are some GREAT songs on it. The real issue is that it needs to be remixed. I wish he would let me mix it. I find nothing glam about it other than their look.
He sold out. He did it for the money. Cherry Orchards was played a lot on MTV in the late '80s. They probably got a lot of record sales from that. A friend gave me his copy of it. He regretted buying it. I wasn't a fan of the band. But I found that album amusing :D Probably not in the way it was intended.
I like Cold Lake but nobody did back then including myself. I guess you have to step out completely out of the extreme metalhead style of thinking in order to appreciate this album. But it's not a shitty one by any means for the average listener.
@@metalmickey He has recently said in another interview that this doesn't have to do with him. The rights belong now on BGM. Maybe that's not 100% true but I do understand him. We have the album anyway. A remaster would be nice though it's not so necessary. Thank you for the comment!
You know, Celtic Frost being such an unorthodox and innovative band, it actually makes me like them more that Tom can just own up to having made a lame move to do something that seemed pretty contrived and insincere. That said, cold lake is way more listenable to me than Motley Crue or poison. The riffs are actually catchy and interesting.
He is correct, I don't get why so many fans want to like it just because it's CF, even compared to a lot of 80s hair metal it's a crap album and comes across as so contrived and out of character. I think there's a difference between what he was pressured into doing with cold lake and controversial and "embarrassing" albums of other bands that are actually alright. I can see why Al Jourgensen has warmed a bit to Ministry's first album for instance, as it actually has some good songs on it, and like to hear Paradise Lost still playing songs from their synthpop era, but cold lake really is just terrible.
I like Cold Lake. I don't think is piece of sh.. Even if Tom changed his mind, I consider everything he does.is art. He's one of my fav Metal musicians.
Sadly that's the most technical guitar playing dudes had on an album that and vanity nemesis and he shits on both albums...dude desperately tries to stay rideing the whole I helped invent black metal shit train when celtic frost were musically a thrash band...a CAVEMAN THRASH BAND.
@@metalmickey I'm not a fan of black metal to be totally honest but its popular and tom warrior only plays celtic frost songs that are from the albums these black metal hacks sight as their influence,,theres a collection of demos called nemesis of power,in session 93 and has some of celtic frost best songs on it,and nobody ever talks about it,,,devil in the flesh and the man who would weep being 2 of my favorites from it...he should embrace all of his original sounding material...nothing out there sounds like cold lake or anything on vanity nemesis and he should be proud of those great original sounding albums..instead hes busy pandering to these black metal fucktards.
Tom and Celtic Frost always distanced themselves from black metal, even in the 1980's. They were a thrash band, a doom band, a sludge band and a proto-death metal band. Tom doesn't need to prove anything. He will forever be one of the most important personas in the world of heavy metal.
@@piotrb8434 what kills me is these bands back in the 80s that were suppose to be black metal kreator,sodom sarcophago ect.were thrash bands and someone just took it upon their selves to start calling them black metal.
