Really glad you thought of this one dude. Despite being naturally occurring, these plants can still produce potent effects and need to be respected. Hopefully this video helps shed some light on the pros and cons of each.
9:24 Cursing Canadian calm down...You're going to be a bad influence on Thomas. Just kidding. Anecdotally I actually noticed an increase in testicular size. It went away when I came off. But could be a TRT alternative or a PCT tool. Looking forward to seeing a Togkat ali gorilla mind product.
People in the amazon reviews write fadogia arestis avoid shutdown even on TRT ... basically as powerful as hcg but without all the sides ... thats pretty mindblowing Any idea how much yohimbine that herb contains? The stim effect people get from it might be from the yohimbine, and im sensetive
Tongkat, zinc, magnesium malate, D3, omega 3, selenium. That and 5x workouts per week. Current testosterone level above 900, and that at 40 years old, without any TRT. Never felt better.
@@hisinvisibleness-fn8qj Morning: 500mg tongkat 500mg NMN 1000mg omega3 dha epa 100mcg selenium Late afternoon: 3000mg magnesium malate 15mg zinc picolinate 4000iu D3 + 200mcg K2 MK7 Brands are all Polish, so that wont help you much. Also remember that a healthy lifestyle, good diet + a grounded mentality is the key, the supplementation just boosts your potential.
Notes from the video: 1: Tonkat Ali's Role as a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator - Tonkat Ali, a plant-based supplement, may boost testosterone levels. - It potentially functions as a selective estrogen receptor modulator, influencing estrogen's effects in the body. - This influence on estrogen receptors could stimulate hormone production, leading to increased testosterone levels and improved performance. - Further research is needed to fully comprehend Tonkat Ali's mechanisms. 2: Tonkat Ali's Impact on Testosterone Production - By affecting estrogen receptors, Tonkat Ali may boost testosterone levels. - This can result in the release of gonadotropin-releasing hormone, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone, which stimulate testosterone production. - Studies suggest Tonkat Ali can increase free testosterone levels and reduce sex hormone-binding globulin, making more testosterone available. - It may also help balance estrogen levels, contributing to overall hormonal health. - However, individual responses to Tonkat Ali may vary based on specific needs and genetic makeup. 3: Individual Responses to Testosterone Boosters - Testosterone boosters like Tonkat Ali can yield varying results based on individual genetic makeup and needs. - Some may experience significant testosterone increases, while others may not. - Age, overall health, and lifestyle choices can also affect a testosterone booster's efficacy. - Individuals may need to explore different supplements or approaches to find what works best for them, and consulting a healthcare professional is advised. 4: Tonkat Ali's Potential Benefits and Side Effects - Tonkat Ali may offer benefits such as increased testosterone levels, improved sex drive, strength, and performance. - Studies also suggest it can help balance estrogen levels, promoting hormonal health. - The exact cause of hair loss related to Tonkat Ali remains speculative and requires further research. 5: Evaluating Tonkat Ali Against Other Testosterone Boosters - Tonkat Ali is a promising testosterone booster compared to alternatives like fenugreek and Tribulus, which may be less effective or provide temporary effects. - Supplements such as zinc, magnesium, and vitamin D can increase testosterone levels if deficient, but excessive intake is not advised. - Ashwagandha, another supplement, may increase testosterone levels by reducing cortisol levels but could cause apathy if taken for extended periods or in high doses. - Research and understanding of potential effects and proper dosages are crucial before using supplements, as they can have strong effects on the body.
You missed one point. He mentioned: Fadogia Agrestis is another promising one. But as of now it was only studied in rodents. More studies are required.
Bruh, I just checked and they already surpassed the million mark 😱 When did they get so many subs!? time flies (covid feels like it started yesterday 💀)
Yeah, about that: What’s with the weird social distancing thing? Are they sitting in the same room or are they situated in different locations or what? Very jarring 😄
I had a test level of 91...I've been working out for about 8 months I've lost about 70 pounds I've taken Tongak Ali and fadoja agrestis and I recently had 2 panels done my first went up to 491 and the second to 826 ...it works with diet and exercise Make sure you cycle 1 month on 1 week off
If ur level was 91 u obviously didnt have UR test done before 9:00 am when ur test levels are the highest..theres no way THOSE 2 combos RAISED UR test levels that high..js
@@howlingwolf8441 lets say his test levels was 91 in the day time So may be he was having somewhere near 300 in a early morning Which went to 490 something and what about the 800 + rise who does that ?😂 Why u people are so negative?
91?! Wow, that is low, I'm glad it worked for you. The studies show that if it is effective, it is most effective and noticeable in those with low testosterone. That's awesome though! I'd suspect that this boost in testosterone has led to many changes for you.
MPMD !!! Amazing interview 👏 👌 please do more collabs with MPMD, both you guys are deep knowledge in science & diet , I always capture some new knowledge that I can apply in my routine & protocols anytime I watch any of your videos ! God bless 🙌 🙏 ❤️
I’m glad Derek has been getting a lot of attention lately. He’s very knowledgeable and deserves all the success. Derek is right about ashwagandha causing anhedonia.
Here’s my experience. I ordered Dorado nutrition, maximum strength Togkat and took the recommended dosage of two capsules per day equaling 1200 mg. I supplemented this with 300 mg of Fadogia and 600 mg of Ashwaghanda before bed. I took this combination for eight weeks. My total testosterone when I began was at 313. At the end of the eight weeks I was at 572. I felt great. amazing sex, drive no hair loss, focus, clarity, significant mood stabilization, and I noticed a reduction in my ADHD. I felt like a new man at 51 years old. I had never had an issue with ED so I didn’t realize that a normally functioning libido could be improved. The quality of my erections improved to the point where I felt like I was 17 again my wife noticed as well. Much like you, I panicked when I saw your last video. When you talked about the dosages you recommended, I realized that I was taking way too much. I quit cold-turkey and within that time everything slowly went back to my pre-Tongkat baseline I felt awful. I had insomnia, the quality of my sleep was crap, sec drive was down, I felt depression setting in. I tested on Thursday the 15th of December And my total test was back down to 343. I started up again Thursday evening cutting all of the dosages in half and as of this evening, I can already feel a difference. Any insight from either of you is greatly appreciated.
The effects you are describing are typical for ANY intervention at the wrong place in the metabolic network, that is, if you manipulate in the periphery instead of centrally. The ideal compound would act on LH\FSH excretion in the brain, or temporarily support the maintenance of high free testosterone levels, as e.g. zinc at 50mg/d is doing.
im mid 30s with not very high test. been taking it for a year. Im like an old man now i can fall asleep at 9h30 in 10mins. No way im ever getting off. Wake up high energy at 6h30 easily for work even if i go to bed late.
I went from 334 to 960 in around 3 months all natural no TRT. Then 3 months later got tested again at 947. The results are consistent. This book should be essential reading for all men. Written by a 50s guy with natural T levels higher than most 20s guys Complete guide to testosterone by james Francis
Been taking it for 2 years and so far lots of positives with no negatives. I have very thick hair so I shed regularly as is, didnt really see it increase.
If you are starting a health journey Tongkat can help you to get where you are going. If you do achieve a stable diet/exercise regiment that is giving you what you need then you don't need it. If you fall off or have to take a break then taking it could be helpful to sustain. Taking it every so often for a month or so could be helpful for maintenence as well.
@@lofistation.5513bro your young af, this would work best for those older than 30 or with abnormal levels of T. Be sure your doing diet exercise and sleep first if your not doing the big 3 get to it.
Thomas, which specific brand did you try (or would you recommend)? There are many out there, and would love to know if there is one that you would recommend. Great and informative video, as always. Thanks!
I used tongkat years ago, You have to be careful where you get it. It is very mild in raising testosterone and seems to lose it's punch by the 3rd week.
You need to cycle it off or the effects will diminish. I go 5 days on 2 days off for 3 weeks and cycle one week off. Perfect cycling for all the benefits.
@@kristiann03 I'll attempt to answer for him, I'm not positive on the most effective cycle but I have heard of the one he mentioned. As far as dosage: For bodybuilding: 400mg - 600mg daily For lean muscle development: 200mg - 400mg daily For endurance and anaerobic sports: 200mg - 400mg daily For men’s libido and fertility: 200mg to 400mg daily For restoring healthy testosterone (men and women): 200mg - 400mg daily For managing stress levels and better mood profile: 200mg daily For managing a healthy immune system: 100mg - 200mg daily Personally I use nootropics depot 2% tongkat ali. Make sure that whatever tongkat you use clearly states that it has at least 2% eurypeptides. Nootropics depot sells a 10% eurypeptides, I'm sure it's safe cause they're a great company but there hasn't been a lot of studies with that high of a concentration
@@kristiann03that cycle is bs TA doesn’t have a half life to leave the system in 2 days. 3-4 weeks on 4-5 days off is proven to clear the system and stop resistance 👍
Thank you for this I really wanted to know more about Tongkat and this was perfect! I still have questions about proper dosing, but I do want to give it a try.
That was as clear as mud. Explanations (seemingly) constructed for the benefit of those who don't NEED the explanation are a good way to preach to the choir, but nothing else.
Tongkat is worth trying if you're wanting to naturally boost testosterone. It might work minimally, or you might get a few hundred ng/dl increase. I felt better on tongkat but it didn't make a massive difference as far as testosterone numbers. My numbers raised while on tongkat but it was less than 100 pts
TA doesn’t raise testosterone at all it just lets a little more testosterone move freely in the body. That’s a fact and I also done my own study with 3 blood tests before during and after. Zero rise in testosterone a little more free testosterone
@@a.c.slater573 it will not raise testosterone at all that’s 100% factually based on more recent studies and from personal experience ie blood works etc. Its the placebo effect! It lowers SBHG allowing a little more free testosterone to be available but that will come at a risk.
@@a.c.slater573 lab I had didn't measure free testosterone. Tongkat came with lower body aches too. That's another issue tongkat users commonly experience. Use it and give it a shot. Just know it doesn't touch a sensible TRT protocol
You need to cycle it off or the effects will diminish. I go 5 days on 2 days off for 3 weeks and cycle one week off. Perfect cycling for all the benefits.
I felt like it worked great for 7-10 days and then things went down hill and stop taking it two days ago after 4 weeks. Started getting depressed and strength started going back down lower tha I started. Did think I should cycle after 10 days like you say.
I think you need to invest in overhead cameras or a tall tripod for the center view. Having to make the background mismatch to keep you guys at the same height isn't great and breaks the immersion. Excellent info from both of you guys, thank you for the video. My critique is just food for thought! Merry Christmas to everyone.
As a 51 yr old guy, I've been taking tribulus, fenugreek and ashwagandha (in addition to lifting 5x a week), for a couple of years and my testosterone levels increased substantially and my cortisol dropped as well, all in about 4 weeks. I tried taking zinc as well, but it was too upsetting on my stomach.
Since I started to use Tongkat Ali (4 months ago) my libido increased. I experienced less fatigue and I lost weight. I did not notice any hair loss yet. I hope things stay that way.
Ok I have some questions I hope you see this! But when you stopped how long did it take for your hair loss to stop and did you see it come back after you stopped? Having the same issue and I'm going kinda crazy 😅
Yeah… that’s heat damage if it’s coming out like that then back in 2 weeks. That’s not how the phases of hair growth work. It would take at least 6 to 12 weeks to come back if the falling out phase was triggered. A lot of things can trigger some loss but that’s not how fast it can come back. I’ve been drinking damiana leaf tea for the testosterone boost, might check this stuff out too. The boost in T from the tea is boosting my hair growth.
Thomas , I have been taking a good dose daily for over 2 years , Im a little older that you and full head of hair, no issues . I get it from a trusted source strait from Indonesia. I do though take an DHT blocker . No side affects and feel its the more real product out there pushing LH levels
@@Themandogh love having hair bro minoxidil is the only thing I take . You don’t need DHT to get bigger even if it’s stronger than test . If you follow Derek and Thomas one does not even have to have high numbers of test to be big . Most guys don’t use an estrogen blocker like Tongkat or progesterone cream which can negate your high test . Keep the gyno down or you’ll get man boobs
@@Themandogh lol my libido is through the roof ! No issues here . My regimen, csrnitine injections for AR receptors , Maca , tongkat , zinc mag, DHEA, progesterone cream no man boobs lean , muscle libido , also infrared sauna and cold plunge plus 2 24 hour fast a week
For a man it's easy to get real test now and have it monitored by a doctor. I found cardiologists tend to be the best since many are studying it's benefits and can also monitor the side affects.
This is why the "recommended" dose of Tongkat is way smaller than the pills being sold. I get it in powder form and take a tiny pinch, a couple of times a week.
@@Themandogh About 1/8th of a teaspoon of Bulk Supplements powder from amazon. They actually recommend only 1/10th, but my smallest scoop is 1/8. At any rate, much smaller than those pills.
Ben taking 800mg tongkat ali with 200 mg tribulus for 6 days now and I feel like I turned super saiyan. I feel incredibly powerful with a relentless fire in my belly. I feel like I can knock out anyone with ease.
I have really enjoyed tribulus as a pre-workout on leg day to boost free testosterone because that does from the research I've read seem to be as acacious uses short-term increase in available testosterone versus any other sort of chronic or long-term use
It increased my T to 1100. My doctor thought I might be having a testicular cancer. I told him not, it’s punch of supplements that I take, but bad thing it increased my hemoglobin above the limit so I had to slow down.
Tongkat is powerful stuff. Libido was off the charts. Felt overall great mentally and physically. Best I have felt in over 10 years. Until I didn’t. I did not respect it’s strength. I suspect I crashed my estrogen. Freaked out. Quit cold Turkey. Will try again someday.
I only took it about a week and it could all be in my head, but seems like my scalp is dry and my hair is slightly coming out more than usual. I probably won't risk it any longer. I didn't "notice" any other useful effects.
Hello Thomas! Huge fan and follower of your program. I would like to make a personal response / correction to your connection of TCA to Hair issue. Before I was turned onto this product I was using at my club, Sauna, Steamroom and Jacuzzi five to 6 days a week post workout. My hair was falling out and I was thinking that it might be the hard water effect calcium was the issue. Post watching a prior video on TCA I started taking TCA and stopped using the shower and using less of the hear recovery rooms my hair started to come back. At age 60, I am now gaining muscle and sex drive is amazing. After watching your interview here, I think you can revisit using TCA again, just cut way back to Sauna twice a week with cap for 30 minutes only and your hair will be fine. Cheers! Al
Hi Thomas! Hope you are well. Do you have any thoughts these days for the use of DHEA for men (natural not on HRT) to have any benefits? I heard it can lower testosterone in some cases and raise it in others. Do you think it’s best to leave it out of your supplements list? Thanks!
It’s like listening to an endocrinologist…..take zinc ,Mg , and vit D ….eat right (lots of fish, chicken , ) eliminate white bread and alcohol , exercise 5 days a week ….it will go up significantly….even for a 52 yr old guy
I've had a hair transplant 5 months ago, now am on topical minoxidil and 2.5mg finasteride every 2 days. Would it be a good idea to add Tongkat Ali (and maybe Fadogia Agrestis)? If it seems fine, what would be a right way of taking them, for a 5'7 158ish guy?
When I was a young guy in the 80s I used steroids and had hair lose when I added anadrol 50 with testosterone and it fell out fast as that was last time I used steroids from 88 to 95. 19 years old to 26 and stopped more hair fell out on it's own when I hit 36 I am now 54 and went on TRT for 9 months now and grew much of my hair back, what I learned high amounts of testosterone can cause hair loss as well as to low testosterone can cause hair loss . I am now right where I need to be and feel fantastic and regrew some hair back taking TRT.
@@QuantumOfSolace1 I have heard some lose some hair on TRT. I believe in my younger days I lost a bit using high testosterone and never anymore until later years when my testosterone dropped really low and it really got worse until I got on TRT so I think we can also see hair loss with either to much or to little.
Took 400mg of tonkat ali daily for the past month but decided to stop it a couple of days ago. I for sure noticed a libido increase but at the same time I started getting minor headaches pretty much every day.
African pygeym and saw palmetto stops dht from producing which is the reason for balding maybe add that to the research with tongkat Ali maybe the two can compliment each other just saying not a prescription but it's something to think about and look into I use pygeym and saw palmetto
Like anything that increases test...it will increase DHT which can effect hair loss though correct?Already lost most of mine so it's a concern but also 50 and gains natty are slow.
Anything that can increase natural testosterone production that’s not related to TRT Derrick puts a negative spin on it lol not everybody is looking to suppress their endocrine system w TRT.
I tried it. It gave me a cold sore, read about it and it gave others cold sores too. Discontinued using it. Not worth it. Felt good while on it though.
What effect would it have on both testosterone, and estrogen/estradiol levels of a man who is on Doctor prescribed Testosterone Replacement Therapy? (Testosterone Cypionate) Current Total Testosterone level of 942. Would it still help to lower Estradiol levels?
Yes it helps Im on testosterone and started using this for the esteogen modulation effects and all I can say started it yesterday and been getting severe erections all day literally feel it working straight away! Go for it
@@jasonhurst8599 he’s not asking about DIM he’s asking what tongkat Ali does to people on trt and it definitely helps me literally same day been getting crazy erections 😂
I've tried this and a few other things over the years. I'm not sure if it really made a difference. In the end, I just went with the testosterone replacement therapy and boy night and day difference for me.
