I'm not sure if HMB was just a newer supplement when this video was made, or if the price came down dramatically, but it seems like with bulk supplements, leucine is significantly more expensive. HMB is 300 capsules/ 150 servings at 1g for $22, vs leucine 300 capsules is 30 servings, for $20, but the serving is 5g. What would you recommend, or should I be looking elsewhere?
This statement is 100% FALSE!!! Stop with the lies!! You are just trying get more views. Ask yourself this question.... if HMB is stronger then Steroids then why do Athletes and Bodybuilders take Steroids over HMB??? I will answer for you..... become there is nothing stronger than Steroids!!!
Im sorry but im 64 years old been working out pretty much all my life, and every time i start taking HMB my strength goes way up my muscle gain goes up and my lean muscle mass is so much better...just saying...i know everyone is different But it works for me...thanks for what you do..
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We’ll be here when it’s over awaiting more knowledge! Also, you recommend fish oil for omega 3. How do you get high levels of omega 3 if you have a severe fish allergy?
hmb has helped me. i,m a tradesman working 12h days. i had an right arm tendon injury for months. i was putting up with the pain, cause the moneys good. then i got a bicep muscle strain, i didn,t know what do. this hmb story popped up in my youtube stuff, so i tried it, within 5 days at 2g per day my injuryies are almost gone. i,m so happy about it. i,m 54yo.
@@CurtisCopeland Hi there nothing yet to report. I feel a lot stronger but it does not yet show. need to lose 3 kg and maybe hidden under the winter layer....
Excellent video Thomas. Obviously this isn’t something that you can take when you’re fasting because it will spike your insulin and break your fast. But as a carpenter he takes wear and tear on the body. I would recommend taking this in the morning before you start work or at least by lunch. Catabolism in the muscle and maybe take two more grams before a workout. It’s all about the Preservation of muscle. When you’re not benefiting from the elevated human growth hormone from fasting. You’re a wonderful teacher thank you !
Thanks Doc!!! I have been working out for years and doing too much weight and overdevelopment of my chest and front delts led to bad posture. Can't tell you how much these exercises have helped.
Thank you for your explanation Thomas. However trying to find the FA version of this product is like looking for a needle in a haystack! Everybody seems to only supply the CA type!
How is hmb on the liver. I’ve lost 48 lbs on keto between your videos and Dr berg. Thanks for all you two do. I feel way better. I have nafl and it’s all but gone. I went from 209 to 161 and still need to lose a few more before I start bulking up.
I knew this when I started weight lifting in high school in 1998. My go to supplements were HMb, CLA and creatine. Use these three with clean food and aminos and you will have a more defined muscle mass. All of these supplements I prefer are safe as long as you follow the recommended servings and you can take more depending on your growth.
I remember when creatine first dropped. That was an amazing time. Flex magazine, Muscle and Fitness, all the hype around Cell Tech and EAS. Andro was sold at GNC. It was a great time to be in bodybuilding.
I took creatine with HMB. It was never easier to make gains in the gym, at 5'10" I used to be 225lbs with a 31in waist until I was in an accident that destroyed my shoulder. Anyway, I used to try to make myself sore but it never happened while taking HMB. People think I'm crazy when I tell them this so than you for making this video.
HMB got me accused of being on steroids more than any supplement has, best compliment ever for a natural guy. Only downside, I’d wake up every morning with extremely low blood sugar, super nauseated and anxious. Until I ate like 1000 calories I’d feel bad. I still haven’t met anyone who responds like this
I guess you missed the part where he said he doesn't work or is promoting any company that sells this stuff but simply stating what the research says about this stuff
Are there any studies relating to associated tendon strength? Rapid muscle development can lead to tendon injuries because tendons develop much more slowly. A good approach might be to do slow resistance exercises, as tendon growth increases much more with increased time under load.
@@lightbeingpontifex In that case, I'd definitely keep walking. I personally try to walk at least three times a day over 30 minutes (though in my case, this is to keep my metabolism up because I have a desk job-I also get steps every couple hours.) Best of luck. I had to rehab my hip, myself, as I think I wasn't getting enough protein between extended fasts during my initial fasting and weight loss binge (and I wasn't doing resistance training at the time.)
Well a supplement store owner i trust said to me when asked about hmb that it is slightly more effective than leucine that you have to take it for a long time period in order to notice its full effect and that it will make you smell
There was a study done the UK with creatine and HMB together on longevity and they couldn't determine if there was any effect. But they did see the difference in strength increase. Plus they said that there was an increase in testosterone.from taking the two together. I had been taking them for a couple of years before I read that and it seamed like it was true to me. I was able to get better progress with them. I'm 73 years old now and you need all the help you can get at that age. Both work separately gwit well but combined it was magic. The older you are the better they work.
@@JatinGera people should learn about the different kinds of muscles that humans have and how to target them with right wait for more effect on them. Not using technical names just knowing A1 A2 B1 B2 B3. This will help you to how to get to your goal. You can target them better. Also there are different systems to achieve the objective you want. Your muscles have a mind of thier own you can make them do what you want if you train them like a dog to behave, and they will obey. PS. There are percentages involved here as well like 30 to 40% targets the A muscles. Say you can lift a 100 lbs, then 30 to 40 pounds would hit these muscles with at least 20 to 30 reps. for one to to two sets. The B muscles would be 70 to 80%. The high B brut strength ones would be 85 to 90%. These all take time to work up to. Healing time can be different for each one and there is different reps as well, including sets. Also, do you want to be a body builder or a power lifter?
Years ago when I was training heavily, the best period of training I did was when I was taking a berry flavoured Met-Rx product which mixed creative and HMB. Sadly I couldn’t get hold of the product anymore. Having switched to other products here and there during my training I felt that the HMB was the difference. I didn’t know much at the time, but I became a fan of HMB lol
@@H.C.Q. Creatine contributes to your baldness so there for all men with baldness use creatine. That means if you stop using creatine your baldness isn't going away.
It's good stuff. I could see the difference between working out with it and not. No noticible energy level difference for me but I see results more obvious, and quicker. You don't feel like you're wasting your time at the gym. You actually get results you can see just putting in basic effort at the gym. But you still gotta lift and workout
You where one of my favorite RU-vidr but with all those sponsors it feels like I'm watching advertising. I'll seek information that's feels less tangled with advertisers.
@thebeetsy you would have to be a moron to take 600 mg of depo-testosterone in a week. The average person on TRT takes 100 mg/week. You also have to factor in the effects that exogenous testosterone has on your cardiovascular system. It increases RBC, hemoglobin and hematocrit levels already in people who are taking just 100 mg/week, sometimes to dangerous levels and you think 6 times that is going to be healthy or safe?! You're living in a fantasy dude. That much testosterone can make your blood like jelly to the point that you can have a cardiac event or even a stroke, but go ahead.
I've been taking this for a few years, and I really like it. I could tell it really works because when I ruptured my tricep snowboarding, I was in a cast after surgery for 8 weeks or so. I kept taking my HMB, and when the cast came off, my arm didn't atrophy much. Even the doctor was pretty amazed, and I told him I take a lot of HMB every day.
That's amazing I am glad that worked for you would you mind telling us how much you were taking just put of curiosity? I see a little discrepancy on the dosages depending on where I look.
Using BPC-157, HGH and testosterone as well if really worried about muscle waste; would have done a better job and healed you faster and wasted astronomically less muscle.
Please someome answer. Is this safe for type 1 diabetics? I kind of got confused on the insulin spikes on this. I know diabetics cant take prohormones or anabolics. I have to be very care with what i take. Im at a point im not getting the gains id like even changing my work outs up with heavier weights shorter reps and alternating with lighter reps with more reps. I only take whey, creatine, glutamine, and bcaa.
HMB is not hormonal. It is a metabolite of leucine which is why it prevents muscle protein breakdown. You can take it whether you are a man, or a woman. Does not matter and will not affect your hormones at all.
darn!!! I was about to order some HMB but then there's another video, actually listed right above yours if you search HMB that says it basically does not do much at all. maybe i can find more videos about it. that video claims a real study showed HMB doesn't do much
Robert! Changed my life. I will never eat the same ever again."Unless you physically trip and your face lands in a box 4.Fo/stacking without risk combine all and all legal robert suddeth
I’ve heard it can help retain muscle but ONLY during a fast. It’s a bcaa metabolite and bcaas do not help either unless there is adequate other amino acids to use.
It supposedly works well for elderly but not so well in younger men supposedly if I remember correctly. I have use it with creatine and I give it a thumbs up.
I used to take it all the time, its honestly just for people who workout in a fasted state. Slows muscle breakdown and speeds up recovery. It was good at first but i found just eating a small snack or meal b4 a workout does me more justice.
@@liljuz1981 man I’m an idiot. I totally thought they were the same guy. I just watched a couple videos Thomas made addressing this and now I feel dumb as 💩😂
There are some super weird comments on this video. Thomas describes only what was studied and explained everything with information. He also said he isn't condoning or discouraging the use of it. He highlighted multiple different studies as well. Stop hating
I went vegan for last 2 month, main source vegan protein, I had tricep pain near elbow for last 4-5 days , I ordered HMB , its not best version one like muscletech clear , but its nutrex 1000 a cheaper one, I took 2 caps today (4-5 hrs before writing this) , pain is gone, it recovered my tricep pretty fast. I think HMB 's mix result is if you are vegan kind of guy who taking kind of inferior protein , not much BCAA etc. HMB works pretty well in there .
@@dmitryshevchenko349Bill Phillips put HMB on the map 25 years ago but it pretty much disappeared within a few years. If it worked, it would still be popular like creatine.
I'm 50. In last 2 years I've had both hips replaced. I have an artificial knee, pinched nerves and arthritis in cervical spine as well as 2 broken vertebrae with nerve damage in my lumbar spine. My hips were going for years and I waited too long. Atrophe was an issue. Excercise is very difficult because recovery is extreme. Excercise Monday and cant function for days. Repeat. I began taking hmb (and make sure I'm getting vitamin D outside) about two months ago. Enables me to recover and keep a routing workout schedule. I can walk stairs now without it being a project. I need fewer meds now. I cant say I know all about hmb. I just know what the result is so far. No weight loss noted but I'm just taking it one step at a time. Itll come as I grow stronger maybe
Sir, I'm 53 and similar, 3 years on chemo fighting cancer - 21 hours of surgeries.Then the radiation helped me have heart disease. Between that stuff and my joints / back, it's hell. What are you using exactly? I'm new to even hearing about this. Thanks!
Also tumeric helps me with inflammation in the joints. Collagen has help me tremendously also with knee problems. Creatine is decent but didn't push me to run a marathon or anything. This RU-vidr is very wise and does his research! Hmb is a must
This was extremely informative, and I really appreciate the calm tone you have in your videos, it makes listening to you; 1. A pleasant experience 2. Easier to comprehend what you're trying to tell us, even if it's more complicated terms that we might have not heard of before Thanks for the info ! :)
@@bryantjenks3598 after 2 weeks i felt increased strength…and in 8 weeks i gained around 10 lbs … after completing 12 weeks …i gained a total of around 19 lbs.
i started again in july this year …hadn’t been to gym or any exercise for past 2 years… my weight on 28 june the day i started the gym again ( my BDay) was 78kg ….today it’s 85kg …my fat ratio is 12-15%
Interesting video. I've spent my whole life lifting and have tried all the supplements. I've trained bodybuilders, bikini competitors, strippers, athletes, etc. I don't do it anymore. Honestly, if anyone wants some free training advise, if you are disciplined enough to fast properly and control what you eat, that is all you need. My largest gains and fittest periods were when I fasted and when I did eat I ate eggs and meat(fatter the better). Absolutely no sugar, no carbs, no veggies. This is what I had my clients do as well. It is easy to show someone how to work out properly, lift the proper amount of weight and use proper form but to teach someone to eat properly is the most difficult challenge. Most people don't have the discipline to do it. Everyone has their opinion, but do they have the results and the blood work to back their health? I would not waste money on powders or supplements and no you don't need steroids. Most of that junk will kill you. Just follow these simple steps and you will get healthy naturally, your body will fix itself, and your hormones will work properly. Another thing, don't lift too heavy. 90% of gym goers lift too heavy and run off to eat after they leave the gym. Mistake. If you want to be in the top 1% of fittest best looking people, you need to be mentally tough. Stop eating junk, fast for longer periods, and when you do eat, eat a lot and eat right. I recommend eggs, meat, salt, animal fat. No oils, cook with pork or beef fat. Fast 24hrs a day, one meal a day no magic calorie number eat until your full, once a week fast for 36hrs, once a month fast for 2 or 3 days. Do this and you will look amazing.
@@omar10213245 nope, you will actually poop better and it comes out in one poo, not a bunch of sticky poo coming out in parts. I know, tmi, but it is true. best poops you will ever have are when you're fasted.
That is what Vince Gironde recommends did that diet many times,fat falls off and will hold muscle came second in a natural bodybuilding competition drug tested 6 eggs a day not 12
I have been taking HMB for 3 weeks, before even watching this video (crazy how this came up on my youtube feed? lol) and i take 1G (1 scoop) of HMB every morning, to go along with my morning shake. I mixed it with whey protein (or half serving of weight gainer), cistanche, and pine pollen powder. Mind you i did change my diet a bit too. I went from 4 cups of caffeinated coffee a day to just 1. I eliminated a lot of the snacks/chocolate i was eating throughout the day and my lunch strictly consists of chicken, kale/spinach, and potatoes (i'm getting tired of the same lunch LOL). 3 weeks later i can absolutely see improvements on energy levels, recovery, and strength when i workout. I find myself lifting the weights much easier, not getting fatigued midway or losing focus etc. When back in the day it felt like the same weight i was doing, i couldn't even do, even though some days i could. Some days i just couldn't. There was no consistency. So i won't say HMB is the magic formula as i changed a lot of other things to see improvements. For 20 bucks on amazon, and 250 servings, HMB is worth trying.
I started shedding my hair. Well just the center and my face started to look like a sad looking basset hound. Inalso just stopped brushing my teeth as well. Been about 6 months or so. Also threw a few batteries at a hobo last week. Sheering half of his ear off.
Cutting out all that junk food and starting to eat healthy is enough on it's own to make you feel more energetic and stronger, with all that going on who knows if it's the HMB that's making the difference or not
@@carterhayes4624 I didn't cut all junk food out, i would say more than half though. Before i would eat cookies or a donut and coffee mid morning breakfast but it's replaced by a protein/fruit smoothie. Then for lunch i have the chicken (or salmon) with kale.spinach and potatoes. Then mid afternoon snack i would do the same thing, either chips or cookies/donut and another cup of coffee. Now that's replaced by a whey isolate protein shake. I get home from work and have decaf cup of coffee when before EVERYTHING was caffeinated coffee. Then for dinner will be whatever i can make or find. So it's not a perfect diet but i did make some improvements. With those improvements i noticed more energy throughout the day and i just feel better. I'm sure if i went on a strict ZERO junk food diet i would feel even more amazing but i'm not trying to do all that because while it's good to start eating a bit healthier, i am trying to bulk so i need calories.
I like hmb seems to give me more energy pre workout, don’t know if it’s a placebo I’m getting but I’ll continue to use it. Don’t dry scoop btw this it tastes very bitter indeed
I'm getting chemotherapy for colon cancer. I'm also using fasting. I started taking HMB just this week to reduce weight loss and muscle wasting. Does anyone have any comments that might help me? Thanks!
Organic hexane free castor oil pack on your liver while you sleep. Add a little castor oil to the cloth every couple days. (You’ll have to apply cellophane wrap over the cloth to minimize the mess, and wear an old shirt.) Do it every night, with a heat pack for a month and see how you feel. A little DMSO on your liver before the castor oil is even more effective. Also, take a supplement like NAC and/or TMG to increase glutathione. To assist your kidneys with the chemo dissolve 1/4 teaspoon baking soda in 6oz water and take it 1-2 x day between meals.
HMB always looks good in studies, however in practice it never seems to pan out. That is because, to get an effective dose, you need to spend uncomfortable amounts of money. in contrast to Lucine and Creatine which are cheaper, it isn't worth it.
I don't understand why it's considered expensive. I see it on Amazon for $20-$40 for a 90 day supply. Seems cheap for a supplement. I've never used it and searching for info on it led me here.
@@eugenemclellan7448 you need like, 5 grams a day for it to work. Forget exactly how much, but it is more than the dose given by most supplements. So triple that price.
@@nunninkav I don’t know where you got the 5 grams, but 1-3 grams is the recommended dose. I have been taking it for the last 5 months on a cut, and it seems to work in preserving muscle mass especially during deloads.
I'm old. And started taking this a few weeks ago after seeing Tony Horton's pitch. I did his P90X at 50 and survived, barely. The HMB feels great when fasting with no side effects or worries about the fallout from riods or testosterone, or crazy adjuncts to trigger growth and shrink glands or major organs.
@@nathantrujillo3061 It's pretty high, you need something like 6gms a day and it needs to remain in your system - so you can't just use it on workout days.
Just started using HMB three weeks ago. I’m going to put it right up there with Creatine and ZMA. Fantastic results. The drawback? The smell is somewhere between gym socks, split oak and zesty Doritos.
I've been taking 2-3g per day for 2 years combined with creatine, and whey protein. I started using it as an anti catabolic when cutting but feel like it gives more back when used during a bulking phase. Doesn't really help with weight loss, but does give a boost in gains. Its worth it to me.
Just to let everyone know (bc 99% of the fitness community doesn't know this): Rodent studies with regards to metabolism/microbiome/nutrition in general have absolutely zero correlation to humans because their digestion system and metabolism are inherently far too different to provide any value. Just thought you guys should know and not base decisions off of rat studies. Worth noting that anything related to neurobiology with rats is very valuable so not all rat studies are equal.
Used about 20 tubs of this in capsule form each tub had 120 capsule's i took 3 capsules 4 x a day along with all other supplements + gym & cardio eat clean = lots of wasted money that would of been better spent on whole foods etc.
HMB has been debated for over 25 years. And still no real answer to if It works.or not I first read about it in Muscle Media 2000. If I try it. I would probably start with 3 grams a day. And maybe later add 400mg of ATP. But if it really works it would of caught on by now.
I may still have one of the first issues of MM2K where Bill Phillips was breaking the news on HMB. I tried one of the first batches before it was EAS branded. It -may- have helped with recovery? But I was much younger back then so maybe it’s more beneficial as you age.
@@lightbeingpontifex ATP Can being bought on Amazon. Its not creatine. But they both work great together. Hell add 10m Boron a day and have a interesting stack. 🤔
Long video: AFAIK HMB doesn't build muscle better than steroids. As for the first study the placebo group lost weight while the HMB group gained weight, I feel that's kinda relevant when looking at strength gains over a 4 week period.
Correct. Without using a metabolic lab to control caloric intake, the study is dead in the water. Equate calories in the context of a surplus, then they can begin the study.
I'm 72, I've taken steroids and I've taken HMB and HMB most definitely builds muscle faster in older adults. About 9 months ago, I discontinued HRT (hgh, hcg and testosterone) with my doctor because the only result I saw in 18 months was a thinning head of hair. I have only been taking HMB for about 3 months. All my gains have come recently. Best shape (muscle wise) of my life and I have been an (amateur after college) athlete all my life. The HMB extends the duration of muscle density for people my age. This and H I I T has changed my physique. Cheers!
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@@Dr.MikeGranato To me it kinda is: Overeat and train: Gain muscle and fat. Undereat and train: Lose muscle and fat. So if I lost weight vs if I gained weight I'd assume that would affect my strength. Now if it's just 1 kg difference over a month then maybe not. But I'd expect weight gain/loss to affect average outcomes.
I started taking HMB roughly 2 weeks ago. I do Keto and IF. I take 1.5g of HMB before my morning cardio/weight training. I take 750mg after my workouts. I take 4 750mg capsules per day. I then take my last capsule 2 hours before my last meal. For a total of 3g per day. I pay $30 for a bottle that lasts 30 days. I do my workouts in a 12 hour fasted state, as that's what works best for me. I have notice massive reduction in recovery time, more energy throughout the day, my strength has increased. Before I started HMB, I would struggle with 130 pounds squatting for 5 reps *not including the barbell*, after 2 weeks of HMB, I can do 170 pounds *again not including the barbell* for 10 reps. But with HMB, you have to take it everyday and try to take it at the same time everyday to notice the changes.
I can confirm same. I give most things a try and have no expectations really. Most stuff is minimally effective, if at all. I take 1g HMB morning, afternoon and night. I got it from the local big box chemist, $30 AUD for 60 x 1g capsules Within in a few days I found levels of intensity and strength gains I haven't seen in quite a while. The range of motion seems smoother and I was able to "find more" at the end of sets : leads to a pretty intense workout, so be prepared for that. As an example, say your best working set weight is 200lds on a lift for 10 reps at 5sets, you might feel stronger whilst doing 215lds for sets. I'll need to see how the body composition settles out after 10 to 12 weeks on it. Currently cutting some mud from the midsection so this strength is impressive. TLDR, i'm supplementing with 3gs a day and confirm decent effects, at least for myself.
I have supplemented HMB-ca for over 8 years now. I don't like the fact that you don't get into a tldr for people who don't understand you. The basics of HMB is that it's a leucine metabolite used to prevent catabolism, it does not promote anabolism, it's used in muscle wasting diseases and those on chemo, and also in livestock. It has minimal to no effect in all moderately trained individuals. The only use it would have in trained individuals is for cuts/caloric deficits which require preventing going catabolic, the same reason I use it. It's not recommended for anyone or anything tbh. Taurine is where the magic is
Taking HMB might be just the thing to take on fasting days. And what about us older folks? I'm 77. Building and keeping muscles is tough! I think I'm going to give this a try.
If you use enough, it can work. I remember when this stuff came out in the late 90's with EAS. I tried it but was pretty pricey for the results. I remember in 2002 I had acquired some while Manager at GNC and happened to be training pretty hard that year and got in great shape while using it. Fast forward 11 years and I try my first cycle of Test. Haha, there is no comparison. Gear (steroids) is gear, supplements are not even in the same ballpark with regards to results. So you'll see some results but to compare it to roids is moronic.
Yeah HMB definitely helps prevent catabolism when dieting IF you take about 5g of it. The recommended dose never did anything for me. Also helps with fat loss a bit but returns diminish with continued use.
@@capcomfan82 Do you remember the original Xenadrine? That stuff was magical I tell ya. I also loved Phosphagen HP the ready to drink creatine thing from EAS. There was another that Dan Duchaine (RIP) designed called ISO3 which was a balanced 33/33/33 C/P/F ratio MRP which I loved. Do you remember Creatine Citrate? There was a Vancouver company that put it out. Worked great, tasted similar to lemon flavored battery acid lol. What were some you remember?
HMB = HMBS . This stuff has been around for decades and basically is an over priced dud of a supplement that supposedly makes mice grow but does nothing practically noticeable
10:09 your not getting soreness because you are not switching up your routine enough. Muscle memory is the reason for that, instead of weight lifting so intense crossfit excercises. Superset push ups with pull-ups/ plyo push-ups with muscle ups. Get crazy with it and punish yourself
I would say your observations may be correct. I’m over 60 years old and when I do the carnivore diet, I can lift and move items in my garage and house that I CANNOT lift on my Keto diet. It’s weird but I feel strong on the carnivore diet and that is still doing life as a sick person with Lupus AND Rheumatoid Arthritis. Highly recommend carnivore but I might try adding a little of the amino acid in the future
I’m 22, been on Carnivore since January and notice I’m almost never sore (lift 4-5x week + labor job) 250g pro compared to 170g on my old diet really made a much difference It took maybe about 2-3 weeks for my strength to come back but that was my body getting used to not using carbs... same with my energy, after 1 week I felt great and my endurance improved like crazy
I literally looked for your video on HMB cause I knew you'd really break it down. What do you think of combining HMB with Creatine? I'm 46 and just getting back into my workout.
Dude save your time get on TRT and you'll feel better than ever. At your age you should. Also this hmb is a waste of time. For bodybuilding and health I'd say you should be on HGH, NAC daily, L-arginine 5g daily, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Milk thistle with 80% sylimarin daily, Saw palmetto to prevent BPH. Creatine is a given. 6g of Omega-3 a day / 1500mg of DHA, GABA, raw garlic pills equivalent of 2g of clove/bulb per day. I'm 28 on a blast cycle right now (taking way more than your average testosterone replacement therapy) also starting HGH soon.
