@@aregimechangeisimminent5781 Not sure about the late Dennis Green. I think if he had a better record with Arizona and had not did the "They are were they thought they were" rant he might make it. Because he famously remembered by that rant then he was as a head coach. Not like Jim Mora who had big rants and also known to be the creater the Dome Patrol too in New Orleans.
“You are the poor man’s Marv Levy. Good luck sleeping at night.” John Gonzales, Philadelphia Inquirer, to Andy Reid, 2009. Super Bowl LIV winning coach Andy Reid to John Gonzales, 2020: “How about a nice glass of GFY, Mr. Gonzales!”
Isaac Green 4.88K subscribers These are ten coaches that have never won a Super Bowl. This was released in 2009. ..I am guessing you missed this part..
@@isaacgreen3273 ..This was copy/pasted from your intro for Brad Haines..everything except for the "I guess you missed this part"...was copy/pasted for Brad Haines..meaning he missed the part about it being from 2009..then tries to serve some gfy, when he doesn't know wtf he's yapping about.
Nah he had to have the NFL refs hand him not one but two championship. When the refs are not wearing a KC uniform he is the same coach as always, great but can’t get the job done at the highest level.
Dan Reeves Won 2 Super Bowl"s, 1 As A Player For Dallas, & 1 As An Assistant Coach !!!!....2...Obviously 0 - 4 As Coach, 2 - 4 In Superbowl"s !!!!.... Without Doubt Belong"s In Hall Of Fame !!!!.....
@@williamkerfoot8039 One of which historically was a terrible team in Atlanta. That to me should count more. One could argue his teams should've played better, and Dan argues that too. But one could also argue looking back that the teams that beat him in the SB were better "teams." I believe he played or coached in 9 super bowls as a result of his time as a player assistant coach and HC in Dallas, Denver, Atlanta. Did he win the majority of them? No. But that doesn't just happen in this league by accident. His contributions were to the game.
Kevin Brown If you’re talking about Mahomes on the early 2000s teams, the Eagles would’ve won every NFC Championship they were in and won every Super Bowl from 2001-2004.
He coached dirty football. He was one loss behind a legend that coached 29 years, and won multiple Super Bowls. Fisher was a bum, He had McNair and George, who got him to the big one. And what about the Rams ?
He has a ring with the 85 bears. He was injured as a player that year and became a defensive assistant for Bud Ryan and followed him to Philly the next year
The points that Collinsworth makes at 29:58 explains to people who think Marty was a poor coach why he was not a bad coach. Bill Cowher had nearly the same track record until he won it all in 2005.
The Chargers screwed Don Coryell too. The owner traded their best defensive players to the 49ers and fired his DC without even telling the coach. And people wonder why his defenses were so bad.
the Fisher one is so bad to see now, especially with his time on the Rams and almost ruining Jared Goff's career. It's like in the "Coaches that should have stayed in College" Top 10 that was done... Who else was on that list but Pete Carroll
What I like about Marty Schottenheimer is that his his pre- and postgame speeches to players were always different (he never went stale in general), and what i dig about Don Coryell is that he could create offense in any era (I wonder what the numbers of those mid-1970's Cardinals would look like with relaxed defensive rules...probably a lot like how the 1978-'85 Chargers offensive numbers looked).
Winning wasn’t everything to Bud Grant. It was a job to support his family. His practices were short and he never put in overtime at the office drawing up plays for the next game. Intelligent, durable players made the roster; high maintenance players did not. Discipline was mandatory. He said he never lost sleep over the Super Bowl losses. Given the choice of coaching or hunting, I don’t think there’s any question he’d choose the latter. R.I.P. Bud.
Bud had his priorities right. Ol' boy knew what was up. If memory serves, 4 Time Super Bowl Winner Chuck Noll was the same way as far as making his life and family a priority over football.
Schottenheimer's undoing was his playing not to lose in the playoffs. When you play that way, you don't allow for the goofy plays that always happen. When something random happens that gives the other team a break, you will lose because you didn't play to crush them...you played to beat them by a field goal.
James Joseph, this is Absouletely true because he did that in KC, Washington, and SD. His dumb decesions like starting Grbac over Gannon in the 1997 divisional playoff? Why? Gannon had the hot hand and would have beaten Denver in that playoff game .
The importance placed on championships when evaluating coaches is a little too much. Yes, championships are important and that’s the goal. But I’d rather have Bud Grant, Marty Schottenheimer, or Marv Levy as a coach as opposed to Barry Switzer or Brian Billick.
Frank Gonzalez I don’t hate Billick. He has a great offensive football IQ and I could listen to him “talk shop” all day. I think he falls in the same category as Mike Martz in that both were great coordinators who had a limited shelf life as a head coach.
Harry Engel I’m no expert either lol. From listening to Aikman and some other players talk about him, Switzer was a helluva college coach. But when he got the Cowboys job, he wasn’t as demanding as he could’ve or should’ve been.
@phillyfan-182 he just had to get out of that Phillthy city that does nothing in sports but CHOKE!! Wasnt his fault, once he got to a well run organization he becomes the best coach of the last 5 years
People criticize Marty for being conservative but the 1 time he tried to open it up it was a giant mistake. The pats had no answer for LT who had 25 touches for 187 and 2 touchdowns while rivers threw 18 incompletions. And if memory serves me right LT had 5 touches in the 2nd half. Goes directly against Marty’s quote, “run your best play with your best player and dare them to stop him.”
Bork19 Even then, if Marlon McCree just simply falls down, they win that game, they host the AFC championship game the next week versus the Colts, and I believe they win it all. They were better than the Bears, and those Chargers teams in the mid to late 2000s were absolute kryptonite to the Colts. Peyton Manning would have one less ring. Philip Rivers would have a ring. And Marty would no longer be on this list.
Michael Holman absolutely not going down on the pick was the final mistake. But the game is never close if they played Marty ball. Even if they thought LT was tired they could have fed Turner 5-10 more times who had 3-24 and a td. They needed to run it 15-20 more times and They absolutely win it all if they keep it on the ground.
Michael Holman, and the funny thing is Marty TOLD his defense if you get the interception, just go down with the ball. That game was more on the players than Marty.
@@Bork19 The fact that they could turn to Turner, a guy that had 3 1300+ seasons following him leaving San Diego, still retroactively seems insane to me. Like the depth. Also, a part noone discusses on "The Fumble" is Marty on the playbooks Ive seen shows Webster? the WR is supposed to block the guy who ends up causing the fumble. Instead, he waits 6-8 yards back to watch the play unfold. It's your job to BLOCK a dude. You BLOCK him and that's a potentially different game. And its been reported the guy who causes the fumble didn't believe he could tackle him and knew they struggled all game to stop him. So he felt the only thing he could do was try for the fumble.
@@derekmathews1818 Like I just wrote, with your example and Webster on my end, that is two players deciding to not listen to their coach in the critical moment. It's so painful to think the legacy of Marty is not primarily, but significantly impacted by two players just refusing to do the right thing.
One of the best things about this NFL Films "Top 10" show: no celebs, pop stars or comedians talking about the sport, when the credible interviewees are former players & coaches, broadcasters, writers & other media types.
As for Dan Reeves, to me he seemed more relaxed and mellow when he coached the Falcons. Maybe it's due to him being Georgia born and comfortable with his surrounding, or that expectations for the Falcons didn't rival the Broncos or NY Giants (maybe both?). Still, I would've liked to see more seasons with Reeves coaching Michael Vick; they only had one full season together, and that was Vick's best passing season in a Falcons uniform. Losing Vick in the preseason prior to the 2003 season ruined Reeves' chances of coaching Vick longer, but then again Arthur Blank was the new Falcons owner back then and it seems to me that he wanted to bring in his own people, which of course he is entitled to do (the Jim L. Mora coaching era started off pretty well, but things went sideways quickly).
I will give Blank the benefit of the doubt. Most owners want their own people in, he would've had to do a heck of a performance to keep the HC gig. But I think with Blank I doubt it was anything more then that. He's been burned more by coaches, then the other way around.
16:29 Chris Russo is right. He didn't have a HOFer on the offensive side in Philly. Ultimately that was his downfall in Philly. He didn't win a Super Bowl until he had Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City did he finally win a Super Bowl.
I actually think McNabb is a HOFer but he didn't have the receivers to do the job and they almost did in 08. The Cardinals were just a bit better in earlier in that season, the Eagles had decimated the Steelers on defense. If they face Pittsburgh, I imagine Ben's gravestone is there.
For his time in Tennessee, yeah. The time with the Rams will hopefully wash away someday. We loved John Fox in Chicago, lamented he had such a bad team.
Marvin Lewis now makes an updated list. He surpassed Jim Mora Sr. for most playoff losses without a win. Bad linebackers, occasional horrific injuries (see Carson Palmer) and an inexcusable loss to the Steelers due to TWO major penalties on the same play. Yes he rejuvenated a long suffering franchise but so did other coaches on the list.
I’m glad he was a coach for the Eagles for a long time even tho it was painful to lose them and the SB, but super happy he won a SB with the Chiefs 💯🙏🏻 congrats boss
Seeing Antoine Winfield Sr. on the scrolling list as a notable free agent is insane because his son just played in the Super Bowl and played a big part in holding down the Chiefs.
Dan Reeves has more wins than Marv Levy and an almost equal playoff record on top of matching the super bowl record. He needs to be in the hall of fame.
It’s fun to watch old lists years later and to see how guys were seen before and how things played out in subsequent years. At the time of this list Andy was the winningest coach in eagles but hadn’t gotten his ring yet and was the consummate “best coach without a ring” for so many years. But after parting ways with Philly and going to KC it’s cool that he has now become the winningest coach in Chiefs history and now just got his third ring. And as a result people are finally giving him the praise he’s always deserved rather than nitpicking at every shortcoming over his elite career as a head coach. At the end of his 25th season as a head coach he’s only had three losing records and he’s had a winning record every single year in KC. Love Big Red
And he'll never win another one again Especially Against Brady 0-3 ,,once with the eagles and twice with the Cheifs Yes Brady is a Quarterback,,,but trust he is also a coach too
It's funny how Jeff Fisher pretty much ruined his coaching legacy after this episode aired and he's now considered to be the most successful "bad coach" in NFL history.
I just listened to a podcast Jeff Fisher today. It's hosted by Taylor lewan. He wad super fun to listen to. He had some good stories about moving from Houston to Tennessee.
@Harry Engel Ok, here’s a bit of background to make you understand Fisher. He was a DB at USC in the late 70s then played special teams with the Bears from 81-85 before coaching. This is important because USC in the 70s and the Bears for their entire history, have had run-heavy mindsets. That mindset also includes a predilection for strong defense and special teams. Passing the ball is something they do, but they don’t make it the focal point of the offense. This was understandable for many years because defensive backs could be much more physical with receivers, so throwing a ball, even on target, was not always a favorable gamble for offenses. However, the game changed dramatically in the 2000s specifically 2003 when the illegal contact rule came into play. How many times have we watched offensive drives be saved because a defender commits illegal contact which is 5 yards and an automatic first down? Not only that, it made defensive backs even more cautious with their coverage so more passes were completed because defenders are afraid to get to too close and get a penalty flag. This opened up the offenses. Before 2003, only two quarterbacks had three 40 touchdown pass seasons between each other. Since 2003, we’ve seen eight more guys throw for 40+ TDs in a season 13 times! It’s easier to throw the football! SO THROW IT! Have to in order to keep up with high-scoring teams because surviving on strong defense just isn’t feasible when the rules are making it harder and harder to accomplish. If you don’t adapt, your chances of winning decrease dramatically and Jeff Fisher never went back to an AFC Championship game let alone a Super Bowl after 2000 I believe. A large part of that was because he didn’t throw the ball enough. Even before 2003, he was always about running the ball. He had Steve McNair who somehow won an MVP in 2003. McNair in his career with Jeff Fisher, threw the ball 40 or more times in only 16 games during his career with the Titans. To show a contrast, Peyton Manning, the 2003 co-MVP, has thrown the ball 40+ times in 83 games. I strongly believe that with a different coach, McNair is in the Hall of Fame as a Warren Moon type passer even though he didn’t win a Super Bowl. But under Fisher, he had no chance to put up the career numbers to justify induction. By holding his offense back and not getting with the times, he held the Titans and Rams back several years. He’s not an anomaly either. The Bears have stuck with that model as well. What do the Bears and Jeff Fisher have in common? No Super Bowl Rings in the last 35 years. There’s more examples too but that’s enough to make my point.
@Harry Engel The most underrated rule change is the 2003 illegal contact rule. 1978 was important, but without 2003, we'd get 40 touchdown pass seasons once every 20 years and we've had two guys hit 50+ now. And no you're correct. Teams that build around a receiver are teams that have a Hall of Famer with no rings. Some have come close, but the last two receivers that could be the number 1 guy far and away and still win rings are Irvin and Rice. And the Seahawks won because of that defense. So while they ran the ball well, it was the defense that was the big difference maker.
why?? he had to leave that Phillthy city that does nothing in sports but CHOKE😂😂 that organization is run so poorly, Andy Reid leaves Philthy and ends up the best coach of the past 5 years post Brady/Belicheck era! and the Iggles just had the worst collapse in football history!! so its poetic justice that Reid beat his old team
So many chargers were great football players/coaches & people that deserved a ring. Rivers (who is criminally underrated) L.T, Gates, Seau, Fouts, Winslow, Coach marty schottenheimer & Coach Air Coryell.
They should do ten 10 on coaches who should of stay coordinators or something like that. On that list would be Buddy Ryan, Wade Phillips, Norv turner, Romeo Crennel. And yes John fox and the late Dennis Green should be on the updated list
@Harry Engel 1976 - he has his 5-10ish QB, Pat Haden, try a sneak on 3rd and inches instead of feeding the ball to McCutcheon or Cappelletti and when Haden gets stood up (the RAMS think he broke the plane and also believe Ron Jessie scored earlier in the series of downs on a flanker reverse but the RAMS never got a call in the old Met), Knox sends out the FG team with the ball inches from the goal line. The FG gets blocked and bounces to Bryant as though it was a basketball bounce pass and he goes the length of the field for a TD. SICKENING! In 1977, when it was all too apparent that Haden could not grip the wet ball to pass effectively in the Mud Bowl, Knox left him in for the duration of the game when Ferragamo, whom had played the week before against the Redskins and moved the team, was standing on the sideline. Now, he was a rookie but you also had a veteran standing on the sideline, a gentleman by the name of Namath. Knox was hardheaded.
@Harry Engel Final was 24-13. If nothing else changes, it becomes 17-16. But, the thing is, LA only needs another FG late to take a 19-17 lead under that scenario. As it was, they needed a TD, trailing 17-13 and when Haden had what looked like a TD pass picked off by Bryant, who left his man to jump Jessie's go route, the queens tacked on another TD when LA had to sell out on defense to try to force the issue and got burned on one of tarkenton's dinky passes that went for big yardage.The thing was, if you go for it and score the TD, great, but if not, your defense has them pinned deep and the queens had extreme difficulty sustaining offense in the game. Was Knox a good coach? Absolutely. But he was deeply flawed and Merlin Olsen spoke to that. As for who would have gotten the ball, I liked CLUTCH. But you couldn't have gone wrong with either one.
Why do I appreciate Andy reid to this day? He got his ring finally and has been to 3 SBs and 7 Championship games..his mentor aka our coach for the 2017 Eagles SB win made me thank Andy on the real 💯💯🙏🏼🙏🏼
Now that Andy Reid finally has a Super Bowl under his belt given what happened with the Kansas City Chiefs after the 2019-2020 NFL season at Super Bowl 54, who could replace him on this list?...
@@themanofconstantsorrowelia1929 He's not even that anymore. To get a team out of the gutter you have to at least understand what the game is like these days. It's faster-paced and more pass-heavy than ever. If you can't throw it, you can't win. I'm not sure Fisher gets that.
Honestly, I think the Rams got to the SB somewhat because of him. Look at the bulk of that Rams roster: Goff Gurley Donald Zuerlein with the game winning kick Under rated tight end Tyler Higbee ALL of those guys were Jeff Fisher draft picks. He was bad as a coach but he didn’t leave McVay starved for talent.
31:36 George Allen on losing...(an NFL Films classic) cracks me up every time. George really 'created' the Dallas/Washington rivalry. I agree with their #'s 1 & 2. Think you could have Bud Grant or Marv Levy as #1 or #2 on this (or, an updated list). Now going forward, who knows.
I think it is a crime that Coryell hasn't been inducted into the HoF. Maybe he didn't win a championship, but his offensive philosophy and passing schemes changed the way football is played today on offence. But Coryell's offensive philosophy didn't just change offensive football, it also forced an evolution on the defensive side as well. That radical change that defences were forced to under go was mainly to the physical size and speed of linebackers and linemen. During Coryell's time, if a defensive lineman's weight got above 265- 270, he was generally cut because at that weight it was the widely held view by coaches (not without merit mind you) men that size and weight were too slow. Linebackers evolved to the average size of Seau,,etc. To help make my point, years ago after a rally to expand the old Murph in San Diego, I had the opportunity to bump into a former linebacker on Coryell's Chargers 78-86 named Laslavic. Not a houshold name, but a good first string OS LB. I asked him what he thought of the size of LB's and DL men today? He responded with "Isn't it F--kin amazing?" I was in my early teens watching Laslavic play and I was a bit suprised when I met him (I then was 31) that we were the same height and build. He asked if I had ever played FB I said yes in high school. What position? The same position he played. He then say to me "When I was drafted until I retired, you and I were the average size of the average linebacker throughout the NFL, Now they are Jr's size, If I was coming out today, I would never have had a chance of making a team." Then he added, that the linemen today though basically the same height, weigh 25 to 30 lbs more than the ones he played with and against and move so much faster. Defences had to get to the QB faster to hinder the pass and LB's had to get bigger and faster to stop bruising RB"s and also be able to pass defend against receiving RB's, pursue and fight off big TE's blocking for the run at the corners and take on the bigger faster TE's one one on one. Of course expanded knowledge and technics in physical conditioning significantly improving the response of the body in building more strength, more speed also came from that evolution. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GIeG4s4D6g4.html Listen to John Madden's eulogy of Don Coryell who Madden coached at San Diego State under in the late 60's, then tell me if you think or more convinced of Coryell's deserving of HoF induction .
Couldn't agree more. As a fellow charger fan, we know all too well the disrespect our team receives from sports media because of our small (& sh1tty, if im being honest) fanbase. They only respect the teams with large fanbases so they can please the masses & possibly get more views/likes/discussion etc. People say jim brown is the best RB of all time just because hes the oldest and he was "the first to do it," "he paved the way" & "there would be no *insert faster, more talented & skilled modern RBs name here* without Jim brown". Yet they dont even mention kellen winslow in a serious discussion for best TE ever, even though he was the first to ever produce catches, yards and TDs at a elite level as a TE & reveolutioned the position and the GAME. You can't even compare any tight end before kellen to him because No one even though about trying to use the TE as a weapon like that (thanks to air coryell) Using "their" logic, kellen should be #1 or #2 of all time at the very least. Rivers will never get the recognition he deserves, but they will blame lack of superbowls. Seau is underrated, he should be in everyone's mount Rushmore, yet he isn't. and Gates, who was considered as good or better than Tony Gonzalez in their primes and has the most TE TDs in history, isn't even in the conversation & wasn't even spoke about after 2010-2011 ish.
George Allen, spent his time in Washington, focusing on beating the Cowboys, he was obsessed with it. He put all his effort to beat the Boys. That was his super bowl. Which is HILARIOUS !!!!
Kanard Mauk Jr. In my opinion he’s the reason why they didn’t win the Súper bowl. He totally screwed Sonny Jurgensen for Billy Kilmer and he didn’t like rookies. Old joke: trade a puppy for two 12 year old cats
The first thing in Air Coryell offense is the BOMB. He revolutionized the modern day passing game. Dan Fouts, then Dan Marino & Philllip Riverss great quarter backs Great offense and OK defense.
That's always overlooked. People just focus on the Super Bowl loss but it was against the AFL champion Chiefs. The 1969 championship is still the only one in franchise history.
@@kevinpayton2664 the funny thing about the Vikings losing to the Chiefs in the Super bowl in 1969, the next year when both AFL and NFL merged in 1970 the Vikings played the Chiefs first game of the 1970 regular season and the Vikings demolished them.
Here's the thing about "Wide Right" that rarely, if ever gets brought up when it comes to the final moments of that game: Right before that kick, the Bills got hit with a holding call that pushed them back 10 yards. Take away that penalty, and it's a very makaeable 37-yd field goal. Had that not happened, I think there's a very good chance that game has a MUCH different outcome, and Marv Levy isn't even on this list.
Another thing: that Thurman Thomas run, the final play before the spike: Thomas was right by the sideline, and if he steps out of bounds there, the Bills can run another play before the spike, and if they pick up at least five yards, that gives Norwood a better chance. Five yards may've been the difference, since Norwood wasn't off by much. Also, the Bills let the clock run before the Giants punt; calling timeout there would've saved at least 19 seconds. Also Al Edwards fair caught the punt at the 10 yard line, if he could've gotten something out of that, the Bills would've started the drive with better field position (Edwards himself shook his head after the fair catch, knowing that he probably should've went upfield. Then again, there could've been a hold or clip on the return...it was as close a Super Bowl as it can get, a lot of little things to consider overall).
@@mahmoud6843 I remember that, but if I also remember correctly, the graphic only mentioned his troubles with kicks on grass from 40+ yards (I think he was like 1 of 5 from that range). So in many ways, my point still stands.
Didn't they also kick on third down with 8 seconds left? They can't run a quick Halfback flat play to Thurman, get OUT OF BOUNDS, get maybe 3-5 yards, two seconds left on clock? Because when I watch that kick replay...I think if they are even maybe a YARD closer, it's a doink...or even good. To me it was one of the greatest upsets ever because the Giants should not have won. Parcells and Belichick made that happen just wow.
Bud Grant ! My Vikes ⭐️ from 1969-2009 😳 Heartbreak Hotel for 40 years ! He never adjusted in All 4 of those SB Minnesota losses ! ......Denny Green was awesome 💖💪 1998 biggest heartbreak as a fan ! And then 1975 “ Hail Mary “ game....🐝
Funny how both Andy Reid and the Eagles both won a Super Bowl after this was filmed. Who would of thought Reid would have won with another team and Eagles with different coach
Damn,Marty told his players what to do. Get the int and drop to the ground but they didn't listen. That chargers team had so much talent I forgot about that int and then fumble that gave the Patriots the ball back.
The frustrating thing about discussions like this is when success as a coordinator or player is dismissed. Others have already talked about how Levy and Grant also lost multiple SBs like Reeves, but Reeves won SBs as a player and as the Cowboys' OC. Reeves being able to earn COTY and make three different franchises into playoff contenders should factor into HOF credentials as well.
But for “Home Run Throwback” Jeff Fisher gets beat by a backup. From his mentor Buddy Ryan w/Bears & then Eagles, throughout his career, Jeff Fisher developed QBs in such an old fashioned way. He had Steve McNair, Vince Young, Sam “Fragile” Bradford & Jared Goff. Any success they had was in spite of Fisher’s system.
Mora problem was he could tell everybody else what they did wrong but he never took blame for his lack of decision making. He was a blame coach...think about it, how many times did he say "I screwed this one up? God knows he had plenty of opportunities to do so.
I guess it's safe to say that after the 2019-2020 Kansas City Chiefs won Super Bowl 54, Andy Reid could finally be taken off of the #7 spot on this list & be replaced by somebody else...
John Robinson Head coach Los Angeles Rams 🐏 1983-1991 The Rams 🐏 went to two conference championship game appearances in 1985 & 1989 Won an NFC West division title in 1985 Went to the playoffs in 1983-86, 88 & 89 75-68 record in 9 NFL seasons
@Fries Marv Levy is on there because he lost 4 Super bowls in a row. Marv Levy and Bud Grant are the only two head coaches to lose 4 Super bowls. So that's why Marv Levy is number two and Bud Grant is number one.
Why do people put so much weight on “one yard short”. A TD and extra point sends the game to OT. The Titans could have still easily lost in OT. So no, Fischer was not one play away from a title.
I know right? I noticed that too. I wonder if people either forget the score or just assume the Titans would've won because they would've had the momentum going into OT.
