I played PvP vs SadKangaroo a while ago and he said doing a 2 gate opener with 2 stalkers is "all in cheese" and that he's "trying to improve and c*cks like you keep me from getting any practice." He forgot warp gate and didn't build units and died to 2 stalkers. One of my treasured replays.
SadKangarook has a lot of excuses. If he wants to practice macro without getting disturbed with getting attacked the first 6 minutes then he should practice against AI, improve his macro and only then do ladder. Nothing is wrong with that to improve your macro (I think it can have advantages but you need people as opponents to learn to deal with some other things like getting proxied) but if you play ladder then there are no rules other than the rules of the game, you can request special rules but the other player has no obligation to give it.
Yeah I’m pretty bad lol. (SadKangaroo here) Only been started playing again last year and my pvp is the worst. I only rage after 5-6 loses in a row. Don’t think I’ve ever called 2 stalkers all in cheese though. Gotta say though pretty pathetic if you try and win a game with 2 stalkers. Doesn’t say much for your mid and endgame.
@@ryanelliott6706 I definitely get the frustration, game can be infuriating and Ive had my rage moments. Something you have to understand about PvP is that things happen quick, and a simple 1 unit advantage can win the game. I wasnt trying to win with 2 stalkers, I did what is absolutely one of the standards in PvP; early stalker pressure punishing your 1 gate expand. If you scout that Im opening 2 gates and still decide to 1 gate expand, you need a shield battery and units, neither of which you had, so you lost to something you shouldnt have. Trust me, I was macroing behind that pressure, that was by no means an all in. You need to do your homework before you start calling people pathetic.
I started to say that no, I have never intentionally wasted my opponents' time. Upon reflection, though... arguably, every game I play is a waste of my opponents' time.
Once someone starts just building random buildings in the corner of the map to extend the game, I'm ok with spending some time playing SC2 like a city builder. They can hang out and watch me make pretty Terran cities as long as they would like!
I'd make a ring of turrets and siege tanks just out of range of their last building, kill all my bases except one I put in a corner of the map, put one worker to long distance mine a full mineral line on the opposite corner, and go to sleep.
One time a guy offensive GG'd me and I immediately said GG back, but stayed in the game and macro'd up and walled off while he thought I gave up and eventually won the game lol Best feeling ever
can you imagine how mad that dude would be if he lost to swarm host, ravager all in, mass ling style, or any of the actually infuriating zerg things? Literally head exploding.
I've always been terrible at these games on a competitive level, but among my friends I was the best player and they all thought I was like a professional level god. But deep inside I was always like naw, guys, you're all just peak level bad. This was in middle school and early high school, when Warcraft 2 and Starcraft 1 were a thing. But to this day at hang outs they always refer to me as this great strategy game player and they're like, "Why don't you have a youtube channel or something?" And I'm just thinking to myself with embarrassment, "Because I suck?" I bet you these terrible players with big egos are dominant players in their social groups who haven't accepted that they're bad in the competitive environments where people have dedicated their lives to being great players.
It's crazy how different it can be when it's someone who occasionally does ranked to try and better themselves vs people who go "lul let's play that one rts!"
@@ragnarok9594 Yeah, if you don't play ranked at all you're just unaware of what it actually takes to compete. I saw some statistics a while back that showed that most people who own Starcraft 2 have never played a ranked game or have only maybe played once or twice. So that means by just playing a dozen or so games in ranked you have already surpassed most people who own the game. My friends only played SC2 around the time it first came out and they only played multiplayer with other friends. I don't know anyone who plays actively any more. I'm the last of my social group that's even interested.
Here’s a idea, sort of an ICYFAR. Remind your opponent of their own build order throughout the game. For example “hey don’t forget your 2nd gas” or “your stim is 10 seconds late make sure to queue it”. I could see this driving your opp absolutely mad
I bet his next map he said no muta and no roach. He will eventually get a player to agree to bane only. But then complain that he built lings to get to banes 😂😂
@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 dude probably did play the NR20 agreement on the fastest maps in SCBR so they could max carrier and see who’s ball was better. Defiler was ALWAYS underestimated. Loved the plague spell. LOVED IT! For the swarm!
Actually ... Was into a ZvT and the terran would just not attack at all. The guy was just sitting behind 1000 tanks and statics and since I was (still am btw) really new to the game I just litteraly had now idea how to break it. Eventually after killing my army for like the third time against his defense I just grew super tiread of it and went on to take a shower. I came back 58mins later to find the most pissed of guy I'd ever seen on this game xd
There's two ways to deal with super turtle terran. Starve them of resources, or spend free units/energy to fight them (infestor neural, or swarm hosts, or brood lords, or some combo) Eventually it doesnt matter if they only take 1 hit to a single tank from a locust, that's some minerals they have to spend to repair or replace
"Why didn't you build hydras to counter my non-existant airtoss army!?!!!1!1?" "Why would you keep spamming a unit that I'm unable to deal with!?!!!11!"
Ok I don't know if my story of hiding bases after having lost really applies (especially since I ended up """legitimately""" winning the game) but me and four of my friends were playing free for all command and conquer. Everyone alive believed that Í had been eliminated after being sandwiched by two players, little did they know about my meager expedition the far north of the map. Acting like I'd been eliminated I built a new army while the center west and south east player battled it out. Once it became apparent that the center west player's victory was imminent I ambushed and crushed his army.
Oh hey that’s me. (SadKangaroo) I always thought I would show up in one of these. I am super toxic. I only really rage after 5-6 losses in a row though. Pretty sure this was one. I think I got early battleship rushed 3x in a row before this. Wrong button on that engagement. I was looking for my storm. I accidentally merged my high templars that were on the hot key right before that. Knew I was screwed and got flustered. And why tf didn’t I have like 20 zealots? 100% my fault lol. Glad you didn’t find one of me telling the opponent and his mother to get cancer. Because those exist fo sho. I think I was high silver that season but now I am mid gold. I can’t remember the last time I put any of my cannons there.
@21:27 I didn't do the time wasting, but there was an sc1 game where I was soundly defeated and was reduced to exactly 1 missile turret. The other person was gloating and spreading creep across the whole map. After a bit, he lagged out and got disconnected, and I got the victory. Not my proudest victory, but at least the time waster lost
the other day i 12 pooled a fellow zerg and killed his expo, drones, queen and spawning pool, before leaving he declared 'noob, i won this game'. a terran i played vs lost his army when he a-moved his whole bio/tank/medivac into a brood, corrupters and ling/bane surround on creep and said 'dumb a-move race' and quit, amazing the power to twist their reality some people have, maybe the terran was just talking to himself though :>
In Warcraft 3 - my opponent was out of the gate just being a horrible human being. Apparently they didn't like undead players, I had randomed undead; and they just were not having it. They raged/cursed/slurs whenever there was any down time; and I did end up losing that game because of missed information. I hadn't replied, but I decided to proxy as many necropolis' as I could - hiding them in weird locations. I managed to make him waste 8-12 minutes tracking them down to get his win. I even used a meat wagon to carve a path into some trees - and hollowed out a small space to place a Necropolis in. Out of the 10 or so minutes I wasted, 7 of them were spent trying to find that last one with his hippogryphs
It really does make the game more interesting to me playing that people can get so angry. I even kind of like that in 2v2, my random ally might get angry at me. I don't want them to be angry; it just makes it all seem more important and fun. We all get so competitive in starcraft. I remember a game where my terran ally got angry he couldn't take a shared natural because my creep spread there. But I was then angry because it's natural creep from the expansion I needed. But then I realized my proxy hatches in shared main may have been annoying him too and I apologized for that.
Yeah I've done this if people start bm-ing when they're winning. Usually just queue a bunch of structures and leave the room. Seen a few games go like an hour and a half while im having dinner
In the fps battle royal "Apex Legends", there's a mechanic in ranked where your teammates are HEAVILY penalized for trying to leave the game early, they're only allowed to leave if it would be IMPOSSIBLE to revive them. So if I get especially toxic teammates, I'd bait them into a fight (or just let them die), then sneakily grab their banner, but never revive them. Just force them to watch me spam emotes in a corner of the map. But this was only really for the .1% of suuuuper toxic players
That's the picture that shows up in the dictionary under the word scrub. If you haven't read David Sirlin's "Playing to Win", it describes this behavior in detail.
I did hide buildings when I started playing SC2, but it wasn't because I wanted to annoy my enemy, I just had no gamesense at all and didn't notice that I definitely lost. In short: I did hide buildings but it was because I was dumb and thought I could still win.
as Terran I have been that person, sending buildings to every corner and than antagonizing enemy, won't lie, between lag outs and rage quits, it turned like 30% of my losses to wins lol
Lol, I love the idea of a player asking to not have muta, and offering to not use a similar unit. This reminds me of starcraft 1, where the game was even harder, and people would agree to rules to make the game easier. Like no rush 20 minutes was a real thing.
As a terran I love wasting people's time when they're toxic and I know I'm gonna lose. I just send out barracks to the corners of the screen along with CCs. It takes a few seconds to set it up but the payoff is them raging like a toddler. And lets be real here, there's nothing better than the feeling of the opponent not being able to win the game when he wanted to after they've been toxic.
If a terran doesn't leave isn't it standard to send air units around the edges of the map? Some phoenix/corruptor/viking will solve that problem right quick =).
I just hit Diamond and I've yet to go Skytoss in ranked because it's not part of Vibu-Chan's b2gm build order. Mutas are annoying, but I found out you can actually put stalkers in multiple different places and that's kinda nice.
Every now and then I will stay in a hopeless game with the idea that not everyone is inherently going to close out the game and comebacks never happen if you're ahead
The only time I’ve wasted someone’s time was in an already long game (30+) min, that ended in me losing a base trade. But the reason I wasted his time was he just started repeatedly saying slurs, so I figured I could just hide a few bases while I watched some RU-vid on my phone.
PLayed a game of dota and my team lost pretty bad. One of the guys on my team said to the enemy "That PA (Phantom Assassin) carried you." Now, if you don't know about mobas, there is a role called "the carry". They typically start out weak and if their team can give them the space they get OP. PA is a carry. It's literally PA's job to get swole and CARRY their team. I just laughed. Then I laughed again at how bad I must be to be matchmaking with people who are so damn clueless. I have a friend that loves to troll people. He gets the biggest kick out of it bc he's got a talent for it so I can't even fault him. He says some shit and it hits every button and the other guy just loses it. I don't approve and even mute him when I mute all chat, but it's still impressive.
I have wasted rager's time. If they are being super salty, I'm patient as hell. Just surround their last building outside of range and hold the units, let them let it all out.
I don't remember ever hiding or floating buildings but I wouldn't put it past my younger self if they were a dick. On the other hand I love it when it happens to me, allows me to really savor the victory. Killing their stuff after they leave isn't as satisfying. Sometimes I like to make like 15 HT's and pretend like I'm trying to storm their last building to death then check the replay to see if they watched or if just went afk to go rage and kick their dog or whatever it is angry people like to do
Would have been nice to see mass corruptor vomiting on the base. Or, at the end, kill of roaches.. and do full muta swap. Go: there, no more roaches, happy? and then show up with flappy murder bois to kill the buildings :D
Oh I definitely did waste someone’s and my own time. I just had really poor impulse control when I was younger. Funny thing is, playing MOBAs for a bit made me realize being able to point the finger at only yourself is a good thing and less frustrating than playing a team game not being entirely sure who’s at blame. In sc2 you can only blame yourself, luck and balance. Blaming luck is pointless, it goes both ways eventually and balance is mostly just an escape for your ego to chase.
I have a confession to make. I'm wasting time of those who are doing the offensive gg-s. If I'm in the mood - I'm also starting spamming hatches all around the map and going for a tea / coffee after that.
The game was called red crucible 2 and there was a map called Kiev which was basically a Soviet navy carrier and the game mode was a search and destroy, i hid on the top of the ship where you could get to just through one route using a lot of fancy Parkour and sniped everyone of one of the enemy with an artillery strike when they got tired of searching for me and converged on the corner of the deck to play around a bit.
It is mental gymnastics and entitlement. Participation trophies made every millennial kid think they are the best gift god sent to earth. So accepting responsibility and accountability to learn and progress with all things in life will fail to happen and they will always blame someone else for their problems.
If someone trash talks me when winning, or offensive gg, I waste their time if it's not inconvenient to me. So if I want a small break, I'll stay in and do whatever when I have time to keep it going. One time I beat a terran who flew his buildings, and I put units at every mineral field, told some prisms to patrol nearby his last buildings, and went afk until he left. It was my last game anyways.
I absolutely have when people BM/Do repetitive offensive GG's... Usually don't bother with hiding(Why waste my time too? :D), but I'll gladly just alt tab for em'. Against someone chill like the Zerg, 100% no I have not
after finishing the replay, i meant play like the zerg player lol. I never use to do the stutter step and would have seen my army melt. Gotta love the childish behavior from the toss player lol. If i was the zerg i'd probably say something like "ez pz" the moment he starts crying. haha
bet that toss player jumped to his IM right after the match ended to try and insult him some more lol. Its how players like that play, I enjoy getting under their skins, especially in MOBA type games.
does anyone know how far back these games go between the submission and when they make it to twitch/youtube? I submitted one a while ago I'm hoping to see it on here :) Or, does he do more on twitch and only some make it to youtube?
This isn't quite the way I play, I do tend to go land in my army, though its rarely Roaches, but I do have the same issue of not being able to spend my resources fast enough once I get a good economy going. Generally I go ling+hydra+overseer and try to win with that but if that doesn't work I try to transition to air asap. That's probably a bad way to play, but I'm terrible at macro management so generally I just mass and hope for the best lol
nope never went around the map building buildings just to waist my oppenents time. Honestly this is one of those things i hate the most when people wont leave when they are already dead. you see it alot on the 3v3 and 2v2 ladder.
I feel like the people in lower leagues who would say "F you, your moms fat" in response to something like "no oracles and i do no muta" are the people who would be very BM when they lose, or if they win TBH, whilst the people who say yes and stick to the agreement are the ones who are just playing for fun, enjoying the game. Wheres the fun in just refusing an agreement, or in just pretending to agree to one?.
oh, 100% I will waste their time if they're BMing. I've no where to be, and infinite time of my own. besides... it's good micro practice :P that said though, if the opponent has a request like this, I'll usually honor it. unless you've got like 70 of them mutas suck anyway, 🤣
